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Does anyone have SOLID EVIDENCE that threads were posted here promoting this album with a dozen generic replies such as "great album", "sounds great", "thanks", and so on?

as in links to rebeccablacktech.com such as

https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S30209918

Or is this just one of those /mu/ rumors? Hmm?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODiGCsfmw5A

Scented Cones 2005 Internet Cartoon
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>>61595256
yeah it got spammed here for a while when it came out which deterred me from listening to it for a long ass time. but about a month ago my friend was playing it at his house and i couldn't believe how good it actually was. i really enjoy it now. too bad the artists or the artists' marketing team are such try-hards
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>>61595460
I think they do a fair job when they promote their own artist. Its just pretty awkward when they are promoting HKE and Telepaths shit even though they basically run the whole label.
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>>61595256
>pic

Objectively the best Vap album of 2015.
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I downloaded a bunch of FLAC albums from what.cd, from the vaporwave ultra edition chart.

Post if you want something, if I have it I'll upload it.
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>diy
>made by adolescents
>sloppy and minimalistic
>critique of capitalism
do you guys think vaporwave is the new punk?

also since so many random people produce vaperwave, do you think local vaporwave shows could ever become a thing?
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>>61596373
it's not a critique of capitalism that was a retarded meme
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>>61596445
what? older diy stuff definitely was.
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>>61596568
Idk a bunch of artists have said that it was never about capitalism, I think Vektroid and Macross
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>>61596593
>New Dreams Ltd is entirely a caricature of mass media and its evolution in the late 80s right before computer culture blew up in America. I wanted to create some rift between reality and fiction because I feel like that’s exactly what they were trying to accomplish back then.
>It seems like the world has been slowly tuning out of reality for the last 20 years and that fascinates me. There is a big undertone of surrealism to everything that was going on at the time, especially in Japan, and I wanted to capture that in a way that would strike people now the way it did then. The lengths people went to in advertising, even then, is shocking to me, I think shock factor is a huge element of things like this.
http://www.dummymag.com/features/adam-harper-vaporwave

from Vek her/himself
while I think the capitalist (anti or not) sentiments are there, it's still all very tongue in cheek
like oneohtrix, Vek knows how to keep the sardonic humour at play in his releases (the vaporwave ones anyway)
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https://clyp.it/iivwa0f5
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>>61596593
yeah they started blaming each other for who created what

Vektroid (/u/strugglesquad420) is asking if the "capitalist dystopia" meme is to be blamed on OPN (a.k.a grandpa a.k.a /u/futuremachine) and someone else is saying, no no, it is VEKTROID who is to blame for pushing that meme, not OPN
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>>61596871
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>>61596920
uhhh link would be nice tbqh senpai https://www.reddit.com/r/Vaporwave/comments/3y9rfq/welcome_to_mall_of_america/cybrtfb?context=3
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new luxury elite dropped btw

http://luxuryelite.bandcamp.com/album/noir
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>>61597013
>>61596920
Half the comments in that thread are removed.
Man, I love vaporwave, the music, the aesthetic, everything but the community is so fucking dramatic. Constantly fighting over dumb bullshit. And why does Vektroid constantly pull his albums off the net? I really don't like the passive-aggressive way he behaves.

>>61597560
Thanks will check it out.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQwF_jqGJTM

also,

is dean blunt vaporwave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVaEP-4P5ts
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>>61596090
this
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“Modernity can be defined as the desperate search for means of rejuvenation - symbolized by the value placed on newness – to counteract decadence..... Modernity seesaws - often violently – between feelings of decadence and rejuvenation, the sense of imminent decline and unexpected rebirth.... [Moderns are prone to] a peculiar feeling of self-decay”`

“Avant-garde art... involves a wish to regress to the primordial beginning to escape the decadent end”

["The artist of today a/k/a the neo-avant-garde artist, a/k/a pseudo-avantgarde artist] is a necrophiliac of art, more in love with it – especially if it is dead – than with life”

“Behind postmodernist celebration of the copy and mockery of modernist orginality is disbelief in primordiality and its transmutative power. Simulation is one postmodernist strategy of discreditation and mockery of modernist primordiality, and destruction of the boundary between avant-garde and kitsch—between the authentic and the inauthentic, the high and the low – is another”
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>>61598920
The neo-avant-garde artist “is concerned about surviving in a world that seems to have no future and so has become all past, which is the ultimate decadent attitude... the neo-avant-garde artist lives among the ruins of the avant-garde past. He preys on it like a cynical vulture on a rotten carcass.... He is a kind of castrato, singing art falsetto. His is an ultra-arch art masking the return of the anxious feeling of decadence..."

“He gains fame and fortune for no clear accomplishment, but simply for being a stylish symbol... Novelty is proof enough of his artistic power and credibilty”

“Fame and fortune are the neo-avant-garde artist’s reward for forfeiting the therapeutic criticality of avant-garde art”

“Appropriation art is informed by the decadence syndrome: the sense of the decline and impending death of art. This is expressed as a feeling of déjà vu and a sense of art’s loss of significant human purpose.....". This results in a vampire-strategy “as though to suck the dregs of that faded vitality and ambition from it”

“The appropriation artist is not at all influenced by what he appropriates, in the traditional sense of the term, for what he appropriates is not an inspiration and catalyst to him”

"As long as there is a famous art to appropriate he feels vitally young, even as the act of appropriation announces his decadence.”

Neo-avant-garde / pseudo-avant-garde art “shows that there is no way forward in art today, only different ways backward toward a past that is only technically usable, not emotionally and existentially convincing. They show that a kind of plagiarism has become the ideal of art’
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>>61598920
>>61598938
quotes from a book from 1993 as per one of Simon Reynold's blogs

http://retromaniabysimonreynolds.blogspot.co.nz/2015/04/the-dialectic-of-decadence.html
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>>61595256
i always thought this was ambient, not vaporwave. either way a good album but i still dont know what makes it vaporwave
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>le po-mo irony muzak
Nice genre, tryhards.
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>>61598518
>using male pronouns on a mtf transgender
>implying you aren't the one being passive aggressive

>>61596373
don't be a cornball, it's supposed to be fun, not some edgy movement. the music is supposed to be free, if they're charging on bandcamp its for a tape or b/c bandcamp only gives you so many free downloads before charging. I know fortune 500 has mirror links because of that reason. i get most of it on slsk so I can't really remember if other label's put it up for free.

>>61597560
i completely forgot, thanks.
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>>61600866
>implying Vektroid is a girl
Look at his pics he looks nothing like a girl, he has such a pasty man face
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>>61601540
he's a qt tho
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>>61596871
dank
sorta reminds me of Zebra the way it ends
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>>61595256
No, the one samefagging is the butthurt retard that posts the "VIRAL BULLSHIT" image.
Also I made this wallpaper
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>>61596217
what do you have?
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>>61595256
I dislike vaporwave in general but 2814 is quite decent imo. I love synthwave though.
Vaporwave is usually ironic unmusical shit.
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>>61596920
Proof that /u/strugglesquad420 is vektroid? cuz I highly doubt that.
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https://privilegedyouth420.bandcamp.com/releases
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underrated af
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>>61603544
How can I have faith that it might be good if there's fuking anime plastered right on the damn front!?

It's definitely a cover I wouldn't show friends...
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>>61601540
Posting Vektroid pics
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>>61603784
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>>61603807
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>>61603752
haha fagger
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anyone listen to any of the 3 new DC releases?
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>>61603850
There were four new releases and they're all ass.

https://dreamcatalogue.bandcamp.com/album/pipes
https://dreamcatalogue.bandcamp.com/album/hacking-for-freedom
https://dreamcatalogue.bandcamp.com/album/breathless
https://dreamcatalogue.bandcamp.com/album/--25

I don't get why telepath gets so much praise, dude is a hack and his music is fucking boring.
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>>61603267

Not really sure if this is precisely vaporwave but this stuff is actually pretty decent
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>>61603784
Is the cross dressing part of his aesthetic?
Sorta like Genesis P-Orridge?
Or is it a way to maintain anonymity on the internet?
Or is it just what he likes?
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>>61603895
the telepath has been out for 2 months on his bandcamp, not sure why it's on the DC page now

that's a pretty nice album though
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>>61595256
>shilling music somewhere 99% of people pirate

ayy
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Still the best
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>>61604082
Sorry, yeah it just for a cassette reissue.
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who /futurefunk/ here? did you listen to new Luxury Elite? why havent you?
https://luxuryelite.bandcamp.com/album/noir
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https://jazz16.bandcamp.com/album/snufkin-left-never-to-return
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>>61603784
>>61603807
>>61603830
>>61603851
Idk why, but he reminds me of dominic eulberg...

https://youtu.be/CP9r4g4qfbc
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>>61602384

I was underwhelmed by this, much preferred DERELICTメガタワー
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Anyone else feel Dream Catalogue started great but has ruined a good thing by trying to bring coherence to the scene? Anything HKE touches these days seems to have a dull ambient edge to it, he's been downhill since 浪漫的夢想.

And what do you think of DC charging for fucking everything now?
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>>61604447
>And what do you think of DC charging for fucking everything now

He wants to make it a legit label with distribution and most distributers won't deal with labels that give their music away for free.

Fair enough but the label has only released a few decent albums lately and the rest have been trash.
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>>61604571

I think that's what bothers me, I'm not against the label wanting to be that bit more legit and make money and all, but the quality has been dropping off, it's like charging for every dudes soundcloud.
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>>61604571
Also HKE is a pretentious shithead that claims he created vaporwave and its obvious from his spiel that he thinks he's taking vaporwave to new levels with his own music and that which he releases on his label.

The guy can dream on but he's sucking the fun out of the scene.
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>>61604608

Funsucking, that's what he fucking does, the scene has no life it in the way it used to, it's just fucking fuck
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>>61603895
sometimes telepath can make really good music and sometimes he just slows down songs and puts massive amounts of compression, wahwah and reverb over it
Pic related is probably his most abrasive and best work in my opinion
>>61604447
he's trying to make the label more legitimate since the vaporwave scene isn't taken seriously by majority of people. However the new albums he's been putting out are lackluster at best, even the older albums most aren't very good there would be like every other album is crap
There's plenty of better vaporwave labels besides DC anyways
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>>61604223
it isn't futurefunk. this would be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKaFlWp2lH0
I only grabbed the link to the channel's most recent upload. You're better off finding more futurefunk on there than you would on here even though it's not strictly a futrefunk channel but a great deal of it is.

as for the new luxelite, I'm waiting until later tonight, I try to listen to anything else I'm interested in that isn't vaporwave during the day.
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guys, I think you hurt his feelings, look: he just took the "vaporwave" tag off all of the DC albums

obviously just another cheap dramatic trick to get attention
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so it looks like the answer to OP's question is "no". there is no solid evidence, just hearsay (shall we say "persistent rumor") ok, thanks 4chan
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>>61606118
>Ultimately, this is why I got rid of the word “vaporwave” from Dream Catalogue. Not as a way to say “fuck you” to the vaporwave scene, but more of a way of saying that this whole thing could be so much more than it is, and it will be.
He makes himself look bad on his own, no need to make things up.
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>>61598604
woah that first link is pretty good.

and I'd say some of dean blunt's stuff sounds vaporwish but he was making "vaporwave" sounds in 2009. I'd put him more on the likes to 0pn and james ferraro.
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I am an artist on Dream Catalogue. I must say I agree with a few points you guys bring up, I'm in it for the fun and hobby aspect myself, and I pleasantly disagree with the direction that Dream is going in, but, you guys are just as bad for being pretencious with your bitching and whinging over a faux genre of music. Lighten up.
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>>61607436
at least you've made it man
getting a casette release or just people paying for your shit on bandcamp is the glass ceiling for vaporwave artists'

well I guess celebrity collaborations are the new hot shit
that zomby x HKE was okay, but the prospect was exciting nonetheless
I wouldn't blame the interest on the project on either producers' capabilities, Zomby hasn't been good in 5 years anyway
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>>61604099

https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S58499243
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^^^

You guys.

Just because it has over 300 reviews doesn't mean it was viralled. Clearly, it was. And just as clearly, it worked.

I mean did any of you guys pay attention to the first threads that would appear about this release?
It would be like ten responses in a row, none of them replying to each other, none of them with images, one IP per post never being reused, all saying shit like
>i don't usually like vaporwave but this is great!
>honestly best vaporwave album I've ever heard
>this is what got me into vaporwave

It was so so so obvious that it's astounding some people didn't pick up on it. And even though if it is good or not it totally a matter of opinion, a huge majority of the elements of this album have objectively been used before in many ways by other artists, many of them on the Dream Catalogue label itself

Now, clearly it has an actual following. It worked, they got attention and found a market. Anyone disputing that is an idiot, but it is equally moronic to claim that the album was never viralled.
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Can we all agree that oscob is one of the worst things to happen to vaporwave? the guy thinks he's a producer when he literally just rides off the coattails of who ever he's "collabing" with. With all the drama and shit it's surprising his oscmob can even stand his bullshit, then again they all seem to like edgy 14-20 somethings...
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>>61607704
Sounds like reddit bullshit to me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx_4C1cyUZA
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>>61607889
why
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>>61608224
vaporwave must be stopped no matter the cost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfd-SEnPjgU
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>>61607436

I hope you're telepath :3

And what does it mean to call it a faux genre? If you can point at a bunch of different things and spot commonalities, it's enough to call it a genre. Maybe a few, sure, and we can call it electronic or some sort of screw, anything you like, but if people are responding to certain aspects in the same ways, it's fine to give it a new name and talk about it in those terms. Vaporwave is as legitimate a term as anything else for the music under discussion.

>>61606118
>>61606280
and there it is, if i were more cynical i'd call him megalomaniacal (as people in positions like his often are). take a scene and mould it into what you like and claim ownership, goshdarnit
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>>61608480

..wait, hold the actual fuck on.. is this vaporwave? the cover I mean
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4lOK_5rhis

tune of the year so far
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>>61595256
OP here

if anything turns up, please make a leddit throwaway and submit it to /r/vaporwavehistory the amount of unreliable narrator in this particular group of rascals is mind blowing, nor can they agree on any coherent version of events nor origins of themes / memes (not surprising considering the rampant drug abuse)

gonna put this on and escape into traditionalist oblivion
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Eco Virtual is my favorite thing. I don't know why but it makes me feel like I've never felt before, it puts me in a zone where I see the world differently. I experience this with other vaporwave as well but to a much lesser extent.

I know how faggy all of this sounds. That being said, is there something you can recommend me that sounds similar? I'm looking for something that is sort of unmelodic with no vocals and lots of high tones.
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>>61610516
he's so lazy with his loops
he just took that track from Jun's stage in Tekken 2 and barely effected it
even the original sounds better
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>>61611058
I think RUI has the best loops in vaporwave.
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Gabriel gosta de dedada
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>>61612391
YOU JUST GOT PRANKED.
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>>61598698
>not this
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>>61611346
>>61612573
Okay, you're taking the piss now.
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>>61613379
not really, this is legit good mate
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>>61595256
This album isn't even vaporwave. Why did you dupe me /mu/.
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I'm so bored of hearing about HKE
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>>61600866
>don't be a cornball, it's supposed to be fun
says who? by pigeon-holing an art piece or movement as merely light-hearted and surface level, you're not doing it any justice. there's a reason why comedies are the worst genre of movie. a real art critic would never say something like "it's just supposed to be fun". when appreciating art you have to think about it critically. every aspect of the piece is there for a reason and as an active audience, it should be your job to think about why. saying that you just like it because it's fun is totally superficial.
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>>61614645
then talk about something else. this is /mu/ and this is the vaporwave containment thread

new vektroid when?

love enemy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrauQPaOHus
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>>61614772
>new vektroid when?
probably very soon, it won't be vaporwave though, he's done with all that
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>>61614772
where did the capitalist dystopia meme come from?
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>>61616060
it wasn't a meme, it was always a recurring theme
http://www.dummymag.com/features/adam-harper-vaporwave
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>>61596797
>>61596920
Does anyone have a list of vaporwave albums with an emphasis on satirizing capitalism?
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>>61616474
none of them actually do, they all either celebrate or ignore capitalism

it isn't really possible for art to satirize capitalism any more than it has already

at this point, capitalism is free to satirize art
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Just read in S U R F I N G's facebook that they'll release a new EP this year, also, they were asking for collabs. I'm already hyped.
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>>61616474
>>61616594
What about this one?
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>>61616640
Internet Club has said he's a staunch anti-capitalist, and yet he charges for his bandcamp
ayy
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can you guys rec me ''cityvapor'' or ''futurevisions'' or whatever the fuck it's called?

that shit that's filled with samples and field recordings that gives off that cyberpunk atmosphere?

or just the kind of vaporwave to listen to at night, that works good too
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>>61616712
Didn't he always include a link to the mirrors over at vaporwave.me before it went down, with a huge banner saying something like "please download from the mirror"? And now he has pic related in his banner. Also, I'm pretty sure the price is due to a limitation by Bandcamp that allows artists to provide a free download for only a finite amount of downloads before they are forced to charge.
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>>61616640
celebration of capitalism

this is beautiful music btw thanks for sharing

I think what happens is that when you combine "de-music'd audio" (by which I mean, an audio track from which some of the music has been removed) with real some light ambient music or a beat, everybody forgets about the fact that there was a "music removal step" in the production process because over time it just begins to sound like new music

anyway this gets back to the whole "remove music from audio" program https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S30209918 (read the comments at the end from mac plus)
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>>61616757
If you haven't already, then this. As for something else good at night, try チェスマスター - NIGHT DRIVE.
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