Why do lefties(in general) make the best music?

>>61589193

The best punk and metal has always been right wing.

>>61589328

please no mommy


also can someone post the find the yorke picture i can never find the picture

Because "best" is subjective and you're a bernbrain.

>>61589328
oh wait I read "leftists" instead of "lefties" FUCK

>>61589350
>best punk
>right wing

I know you can't defend this, so you just be happy your bait got you this (You)

(You)'re welcome.

>>61589350
Gimme one good right wing punk band

>>61589328
Fuck youuu

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>>61589193

>>61589405
Ramones

>>61589405

Iceage

>>61589472
Only Johnny, and he composed like a fifth as much as the others.

>>61589446
oh shid

>>61589193
Because those on the left are often more transgressive and willing to experiment; this is why all the best comedians are left of center (as good humor is typically subversive).

Leftists make art.
The right builds virtually every other aspect of society. The right are farmers, tradesmen and craftsmen, builders, construction workers - pretty much anyone with an actual job over the age of 18.

>>61589648
>The proletariat is right-wing
lol

>>61589390
>best is subjective
No, its arbitrary.
Even if it wasn't, what a great way to avoid music discussion on /mu/. Now go shit post somewhere else.

I think they have more passion because the way they see the world is so negative. Complaining about the world is the basis of most art, and people who want to change the whole of society in every way always have things to complain about.

>>61589648
Scientists are usually leftists though.

>>61589815
I find this to be very wrong, especially the negativity part, and your views on art, and the stuff about complaining.

>>61589891
>I find this to be very wrong, especially the negativity part, and your views on art, and the stuff about complaining.
Oh.

bowie is a nazi sympathizer

>>61589815
But rightwingers always complain as well, I think the last rightwinger who didn't always complained was Eisenhower(or some of his other generation leaders)

>>61589967
Antics aside, that seems very unlikely. I'm certain that was all just to drum up controversy.

>>61589350
>best punk
>rightwing

kek

lol I thought u meant left handed people

conservatism: i think things are right as they are, no need to look elsewhere or change

liberalism: i don't think things are right as they are, let's do something different and beneficial.

conservatives are too busying already having everything they think they need to try and make something new. the odd conservative artist is confused and lives an eternal struggle. ted nudgent, joey ramone, cool well adjusted individuals? fucking conservative scum.

>>61589967
just that one edgy persona.

all the other bowies are pretty left

>>61589985
They only complain about liberals complaining about society.

>>61589193
Fucking internet. I google your claim to verify it, and this is the shit I see:
http://www.handresearch.com/thumbs/thom-yorke-thumbs-radiohead.htm

>>61589991
He was too spun the fuck out at that point to do anything calculated. He was just doing some retarded shit that coke made seem like a good idea.

>>61589999
>>61589999
quads with the objective truth

>>61589690
Go listen to cardiacs and put on wigs please

>>61590031
They also complain the society is somehow being mind controlled by the lefties via media but somehow in most places people are right wingers

>>61590012
>i don't think things are right as they are, let's do something we think is different and beneficial.
fixed.

>>61590040
hahaha what the fuck

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Is Douglas P. far right or far left?

>>61590069
What's the point of this thread? That mostly left-wing people make music, as well as enter other fields of art and entertainment media. They do influence people through media. People become right-wing when they realize what they see and hear in media is bullshit.

>>61589193
God damn it. I spent five minutes trying to think of left-handed musicians before I realized you were talking about politics.

>>61590086
that's fine, doesn't change the meaning of my post. that's what art is my man. an attempt at something, an ideal, an emotion, something. conservatives have no need for change.

>>61590040
WTF?

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>>61589405

>>61590040
finally!

>>61590325
I agree actually, I do have a hard time imagining what political message a conservative could put into music.

>>61590325
>art being anything other than creative expression
Oh, anon

>>61589193
They do everything better

>>61590395
Yeah, that's why political punk and hip-hop exist. No, definitely not all music is written purely as creative expression. Sometimes the music is just an afterthought and the main point is to make a political statement.

>>61589681
> calling people with jobs proletariat

High school on /mu/

>>61589891
Not really. It's pretty even.

>>61590460
Do you know what the proletariat is? Because some (though not all) of the jobs in the comment I replied to are proletatian.

>>61590459
>implying hip hop and punk music isn't creative expression
Uhm...

>>61590460
It's commonly known as I said though.

>>61590012
lol no

Modern conservatism desires a smaller government while modern liberalism desires a larger one. By your definition, Paul Ryan is a progressive.

>>61590380
>tfw you will never be this edgy

>>61590501
Not always. Punk can just be strumming a few different chords really fast and hip-hop can just be mindless sampling and synthesized drumbeats. Not all that creative.

>>61590563
Okay then. But would you call that art?

>>61589648
>Scientists
>Tech workers
>Academics
>Media workers
>Blue-collar workers in the Midwest and Northeast

These are all groups which lean left. Of course, within any group of people you'll find l and r as well.

>>61590563
just because it isn't good doesn't mean that it isn't creative. dumb people can be creative with respect to their limited capabilities even if it's derivative by normal standards.

>>61590395
uh, a creative expression of an ideal, emotion, "something".
>>61590459
since when is creatively expressing a political idea through music (a form of art) not still a form of creative expression? generally conservatives don't have any need for artistic expression, they have what they need. the odd conservative artist is confused and lives an eternal struggle. they're like alligators trying to dance a samba, not very good and completely missing the point. why would an alligator want to dance a samba? who tricked it in the first place into thinking that was something its being could even comprehend? who knows, but it happened, and now you've got a 800 pound lizard flopping around like a jackass.

>>61590736
so the beach boys aren't very good? they headlined a republican convention

>>61590002
HAHAHAHAHAHAH


thats terrific my friend. mind if i take a screen cap?

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>>61590849
>confused
>living an eternal struggle
>800 pound alligator flopping around like a jackass

>>61590926
go right ahead, it's all yours my friend

>>61590579
I'd call it low-end art, because it's music and music is art.

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>>61590849
There are good conservative artists.

The thing is, the spark that drives people to make wonderful art is the same spark that tells people that the world can be better. Up to you to decide whether this spark is the only valid rasion d' etre, or whether it just gets in the way. I learn towards the former.

Also
HEY

>>61590980
btw goes without saying, but pic most definitely not related

>>61590970
Why is music inherently art?
Would you call comedy to be inherently art too?

>>61590980
NOW (vines should be embeddable in 4chan)
https://vine.co/v/ihWFzZ19JI7

>>61590526
Lol no
Modern liberalism means less capitalism while modern conservatism means more capitalism.

You're wrong.

>>61589472
Apolitical.

>>61590380
Pure shock value

>>61591058
I guess in a way comedy is as well. That's just my opinion though, art is subjective. To some, art is only "fine art" and modern art is just stupid people trying to get attention. For others it's the opposite, modern art takes far more creativity than just painting portraits of people and landscapes. But to me, anything that's presented as art is art. That's not to say all art is good.

>>61590380
Sid Vicious didn't even play on their record though.

>>61591418
When you say "art is subjective", what exactly do you mean?
Are you saying art is whatever anyone wants it to be art?

>>61589350
you fucked this entire thread up

>>61589999
quads can't compete with FEAR

>>61591418
you're over complicating the definition of art and trying to jigsaw smash your definition to account other people's 'tastes", as if anyone's expressed opinion changes the the thing they are expression an opinion about. good and bad are like god, everyone thinks they know all about it but no two people could ever agree completely.

trying switching from "i think this is good" to "i enjoy this"

>>61591677
>you are over complicating the definition of art
You say that like there was one in the first place

Also, "good"doesn't exist, unless you define it (with the definition itself being arbitrary).

Art is a the process of presenting an independent experience (including, but not limited to, the experience of seeing something) to a viewer and assigning it a particular value. This an academic definition and pretty much foolproof.

Things that are art:
-the sound of a guitar, recorded and played in an audio device
-a painting of a mountain
-the motor of a car put in a gallery space
-a vasectomy planned and documented to be executed with artistic intent (look up John Duncan)

Things that are not art:
-a pencil falling and hitting a guitar chord
-a mountain
-a motor of a car in a car on the street
-getting a vasectomy

>>61591887
mmm, that's what i meant. " 'good' isn't a very valuable term, try 'enjoying' things instead of labeling them 'good' (or 'bad')."

you and i are in perfect accord

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>>61590155
I think he's sort of middle ground

loves being gay, loves nazi symbolism - it sorta balances out

>>61591972
No, because I disagree with individual enjoyment being a coherent way of deter mint if something is good or not, because it turns out to be meaningless at the end.

>>61591677
>>61591887
I also agree that art has no definition, that's what makes it subjective.

>>61592034
I think he's a fan of national Bolshevism too.
He's seems pretty cool, he's almost fucking sixty too.
Who's all in that pic?

>>61592044
of course it's meaningless in the end, everything is. unfortunately we exist and have feelings that make us strive towards comfort and "good". you've got to find the middle ground or you're just reducing everything to nothingness?

if every definition of good is arbitrary and therefore meaningless, why are you in this thread? by your logic you shouldn't be communicating anything at all. what's the point? all of our definitions of good are arbitrary, why discuss the subject at all? the same reason things are good, because they're enjoyable, even if they lack "meaning".

>as if meaning means anything

>>61592034
Who is that qt in the middle?

>>61592184
yeah from what I know of him he just has a general interest in history and war, he's a really cool dude
looking into the general themes associated with neofolk is really interesting
Doug P, Rose Mcdowall, Boyd Rice

>>61589350
>>>/pol/

>>61592251
He's definitely a little too comfortable (for some people) with national socialism and militarism but that's okay tbqh.
Yeah I thought that was Boyd.
Where should I start with Boyd by the way?
Is he just pretending or does he sincerely believe in his whole persona?

Reminder that this happened:
https://youtu.be/Qb2yWpj_3Ss

>>61592072
Arbitrary, not subjective.

>>61592216
I don't think you got my intention of saying it made that meaningless. It's meaningless because if X says music is good, but U says music is bad, and both are right, then the value is undetermined, making that way of defining good and bad meaningless.

Not all definitions are meaningless. Good music is original music isn't, for example. It's coherent.

>>61589193
Because you have to break traditions to make interesting music.

>>61592741
now you aren't reducing far enough. and i still don't think we disagree, you're just trying to agree more than me. do you think anything actually has an absolute value? entropy bro, it's everywhere. you can always get close, and close enough for effective perfection, but it will never be our true concept of "perfect". at the end of the day everything reduces to nothing, at some point you just have to start enjoying things and stop considering the (non-existant) meaning. everything is an approximation of something else. especially definitions. nothing, including definitions has an absolute value. it's a good exercise though, the search for perfection, in the course of the search you eventually realize nothing is "perfect" and nothing has any meaning and that you should use your understanding of those approximations as guidlines for knowing what "good" is and thus how to enjoy things.

NSBM is the best guitar bases genre. This is not up for debate.

>>61593275
Yes, some things do have absolute values. Mathematics, programming, logic, for example.
It has nothing to do with entropy.

Yes, you can never have a perfect measure, but that's not related to the argument.

I disagree with your hedonistic views on life, but even if I didn't, considering the meaning of something can be a source of enjoyment just like the object of study itself.

Some definitions have absolute values. Example? Dog

But when it's not absolute, an approximation is still worth a try.

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>>61589193
they probrably they use a weird part of the brain that most people don't even know about.

>>61589193
Because conservatives are too busy trying to make money to give themselves, their family and their children a good life, instead of spending all their time making music while expecting other people to take care of them financially.

>>61589446
base nico wins

>tfw /pol/ makes a big deal out of what someone's dominant hand is

>>61590040
lmao wut

>>61594131
ding ding ding! Objective truth coming through

>>61590040
>http://www.handresearch.com/thumbs/thom-yorke-thumbs-radiohead.htm
>handresearch.com
well god damn

>>61593921
those things are all theoretical though. none of those things mean anything, you have to apply them to give them meaning. they just exist. and we can only understand them with approximations. i'm by no means a "hedonist". it's a part of me, as it is everyone. approximations are worth a try. you don't understand we agree. you're a tripfag.

>>61589193
Lefties go into music more often.

>>61589193
Lefties tend to be more artistically talented, I guess it might have something to do with the right side of their brains being more active and focused or some shit. One of my friends is an artfag and has always been amazing at drawing, it's a shame though since he's not willing to sell his talent online and wants to get some sort of professional career out of it after uni.

careful /mu/ has autism

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Because of this hypothesis.

>>61595517
Will playing the guitar left handed make me a better guitarist?

>>61595659
I actually am a lefty who plays the right handed guitar. And yeah, using my dominant hand for fretting gives me an advantage. I can hold the strings down more securely, change chords more smoothly, and I feel more versatile when playing.

>>61594131
Material wealth is a rather sad thing to base ones life around, solely that is.

>>61595517
Keyword..."hypothesis"

>>61595517
> music and math on separate sides of the brain

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>>61595517

>>61590389
I write about frustrations with those who try to change others, for personal benefit or social agendas. I would consider myself a conservative because of my opinions on economics, which are the only issues that matter.

>>61591124
Capitalism and socialism are not words that are seriously used in modern American politics.

lefties are in touch with their feelings which is good for music. Too bad they think with their feelings as well.

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>>61589369

degnerate freaks have more time to waste away creating worthless music while right wingers are busy creating the world that allows them to do that.

>>61589193
Because it is a trend to be left since ages. so the majority of artists are left because it would be bad for their reputation if they would be right.

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>>61589193

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>>61589599
>>61591362

>>61589193
Because other people have real jobs

>>61597311
accurate

>>61589507
how can Elias be right wing when he's a bender

>>61591945
>A pencil falling and hitting a guitar chord
I've been to some art galleries that would most def put that shit in.

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>Right/Left Dichotomy

>Right wing means Nazi

>Vast Majority of Classical Composers came from nobility and are therefore right (as defined by the French revolution)

Suck dick op

>>61589405
The Anti Nowhere League

To be honest being extreme-rightwing is being almost an anarchist.

I think musicians in general defend social liberties and they just think those are right wing matters and be right wing is being connservative. Which is not like that at all

>>61599366
Those are left-wing matters* sorry for my english btw, haed to express this kindof things

>Nazis = right wing

mfw

>>61599179
>Vast Majority of Classical Composers came from nobility

wut

>>61591507
have you read john cage's book "silence"
like come on duderino

>>61599431
Well they came from Wealth sorry, again right wing

>>61589193
Lefties are creatives.

>>61595517
That has been proven wrong for decades.

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>>61599179
>Vast majority of classical composers [...] are right

I don't think so.

>>61591060
>introducing that cancer to the site

please no, 4chan is shitty enough already

>>61589403
>>61589999
>>61591595
>>61592323

The thing about punk is that many people have forgotten what the "motto" was at first. Total nihilism. "No Future!" was the slogan and punks took anarchism as their main "ism" simply because it's the absolut worst/dysfunctional ism there is. They know that anarchism would never work so that's why they choose it. But many idiots did not get it and fooled themselves into thinking that punk actually was pro-anarchy for real and that punks believed in a utopia based on this. So, as the years passed, many political idiots joined the punk movement in belief that it was political. It never was either right or left, it enjoyed to provoke both conservatists and liberals. (Kinda like how the creators of South Park explained theit political standpoint.) Punk is political incorrectness an irl trolling in it's finest form. GG Allin was the biggest troll of them all.

>tfw to be successful I'd have to be either a lefty hippie or keep my mouth shut

why does avant math god ruin every thread with his tranny passive aggressiveness

Thom Yorke: "Well the banks..yknow theyre stealing everyone's money and..mumble mumble mumble...*weird awkward accent* BUT YOU KNOW HOW EEET EEEESSSS"

>>61599179
>as defined by the French revolution

heh

>>61589193
Yeah im sure most artists will risk their career and say they dont want to get raped or killed by immigrants.

>>61596704
Post some lyrics please, I'm curious.

Because they spend too much time perfecting their music to spend serious time thinking about politics.

We're a socialist society and most people think it's cool so most people are socialists. Inertia.

>>61589507
Why do you think they're right wing

>>61589350
>punk
>rightwing

>>61589193
because they do not pursue education

Do you mean left handed or left wing?

>>61601932

i was gonna ask this too

>>61589350
>good punk
>right wing

nice bait, faggot

>>61595977
>one very important thought