I honestly feel that it is more pleb to blindly hate Nirvana because they are the easiest band to call overrated. Therefore, the plebs who think that they truly have good taste in music will turn to calling Nirvana shit before anything else...Although there is another tier of pleb above that which is blindly believing that Kurt was a songwriting god and they are the greatest band of all time without understanding the reasoning behind it. In my opinion its best to accept Nirvana for what it is and decide for yourself if you like it or hate it because its a band that is so easy to be divided on.
>>61542286 I think he, as the figurehead and creative force behind Nirvana, helped to spawn the grunge boom of the late 80s-early 90s. He served as the generation's posterboy and martyr and I doubt it would have lasted as long as it did without him.
pretty good band overall. They got better as they went on, and if they could've topped In Utero we would have a masterpiece. Favourite songs are Radio Friendly Unit Shifter, Breed, Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge on Seattle, and Blew.
"I don't blame any kid for thinking that a person who sells 10 million records is a millionaire and set for the rest of his life. But it's not the case. I spent a million dollars last year, and I have no idea how I did it. Really. I bought a house for $400,000. Taxes were another $300,000 — something. What else? I lent my mom some money. I bought a car. That was about it"
>>61540473 Decent band with the best marketing team of all time. The PR work that went into creating their image as some kind of "anti mainstream, anti corporate, rebellious, subversive artists" while at the same time being MTV darlings and selling millions of pop records somehow worked too good, it's quite unbelievable. But because of this they have the worst fanbase ever. The myths and idol worship are absolutely ridiculous and people that espouse them sound like complete morons.
not anymore he isn't. but all jokes aside, the dichotomy between his professional and personal life is insane. professionally, he made every right decision to get as much fame and fortune as possible, but when it came to his personal life he fucked up every time. Developing an out of control heroin habit, marrying Courtney Love, treating his body like shit, having a child at height of his drug habit, it was all so wrong. I wonder what the fuck was going through his head where he needed to numb himself 24/7. How fucked up is your inner monologue that you shoot yourself before having any time to enjoy the success you worked so hard for
>>61544343 Heroin addicts all think they're good at hiding their addictions because they can't see the toll the drug is taking on their bodies. I would assume he spent thousands of dollars per month on heroin that year. It's insane that he thought he could appear clean and sober to the media and that he thought he would be able to be a good father when he couldn't even take care of himself
They are one of my favorite bands but really shouldn't have ever been famous, they didn't like it, they didn't really strive for it, and it ruined Nevermind's production. They only ever wanted to be another Punk band but got raped by fame and record companies and were forced to fight for a less pop sound on In Utero with Steve Albini. People bag on them constantly and say they aren't creative or artistic but seldom have I seen anyone show me a band who takes the elements of noise rock, and incorporate it so well with elements of sludge metal and punk-esque playing. , and Kurt's lyrics, may be just jumbled random phrases, but I think it's best that way because it leaves room for personal interpretation and isn't the same old pseudo-meaningful spoon fed message. But that's just my two cents.
Dave Grohl raped my mother back in 1993 when he was hanging out at a bar. She said Kurt was fucked up on drugs and Courtney wasn't there. I was born in 1992 and my dad broke up with my mom because apparently was raging drunk and only stopped when she wanted to have a kid. She started drinking heavy again when I was like 5. But she would still sleep around (another reason my dad left her) and she went to some party one night and met Grohl and they both got drunk and she said Grohl got aggressive and wouldn't let up.
Anyways I don't talk to my mom anymore because she beat the shit out of me all the time and was a whore.
>>61545951 From everything I've seen/read about his family I've come to the conclusion that his mom is a piece of shit. She only gave a shit about herself and she abandoned her son as soon as she was able to because she saw him as a nuisance.
I'm going to be an armchair psychologist and assume that when your mom is like that, it fucks up your relationship with women. You're going to seek out another abuser, which is why he married Courtney Love.
Courtney used him for his fame and didn't give a shit about him, but victims of abuse love recreating that trauma so Kurt was attracted to that.
There's that quote where he says "fuck anyone who thinks I'm stupid enough to be abused by my wife," but that statement is flawed. Would Kurt say a woman being abused by a man is stupid? No, so why would he have to be stupid to be abused by his wife?
The fact is she cheated on him multiple times and controlled who his friends were and treated him like shit. He let it happen not because he was stupid, but because he was neglected as a child
>>61546252 I always thought specifically the line "throw down your umbilical noose so I can climb right back" in Heart Shaped Box was a symbol that Kurt wanted to leave Courtney bad but the presence of a newly born child really wouldn't allow that. So he was trapped with her.
for a while i didnt care but in utero is really good. i dont think any musician should be regarded as the best. just because he killed himself means nothing. people kill themselves all the time. he was weak, but passionate
>>61547371 Nah they've talked about this. Dave was intimidated by Kurt and his musical ability, so he never imposed himself. He wasn't in the band very long but he wrote Marigold and parts of Scentless Apprentice. Krist helped out in the beggining, but once again felt he should let Kurt do his thing. There are a couple songs he's credited on.
>>61548452 I think they signed with a major label for better production/sound quality. I believe that Thurston Moore (from Sonic Youth) reccomended it to Kurt. I don't think he thought they were going to get famous because Sonic Yoth wasn't receiving any mainstream fame despite being signed with Geffen
>>61548627 I don't think Kurt wrote as much as he is credited for. I just don't see it, that's just my instinct though, I honestly think Krist and Dave helped out quite a bit and didn't mind not getting credited for it.
>>61549928 I mean if you look at all of the demo tapes Kurt made of him jamming by himself at his house, it's pretty obvious what his writing process was like. He probably came up with 90% of his songs that way and sometimes he would bring a song and Krist and Dave would give suggestions and get credited. The most specific instance was Scentless Apprentice, which Dave pretty much spawned with the drum beat and riff.
>>61540473 They were a really really great band But with every album went a little bit of whatever was left of Kurt's sanity, and his self-destructive attitude accumulated unnecessary people in his life and combined with the lack of awareness of how rich he was going to be, it was probably a really stressful situation for him to be in. I think no amount of rehab or therapy could have fixed whatever broke him.
>>61551924 It's my favorite too. I think the open deconstruction of someone, especially someone as famous as Kurt, on record is fascinating. I've never seen rage, vulnerability, sadness, and apathy displayed so effectively. The fact that he killed himself* 6 months after it released makes it one of the few last will and testaments of an artist you will ever hear.
>>61551976 Sometimes I do wonder what was going on in his head, he said in interviews that after he had the kid things were looking up, but there's clearly unresolved extreme angst (Milk It is the definition of angst)
>>61551997 I think the optimism was true but we're talking about some who very likely had bipolar disorder. He was all over the place but the one thing that never left him were the feelings of hatred toward himself. I think he was going forward and keeping on for his daughter and trying to be the happiest he could be. But there was major betrayal from multiple sources in his life in the last months that sent him over.
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