Why does this band trigger metalheads so much?

>>61533324
Cause they suck

because its average at best, but is getting a lot of popularity from people who don't listen to much metal.
At least, that's what I would assume, I don't listen to much metal or care much for this record either, So i'm only speculating.

>>61533324
I'm not sure but I think they aren't metal, they look too much like faggots to actually bother listen to them

1. they arnt metal
2. there have been thousands of bands doing the edgy "fug god :DDDDD" thing since forever

Because idiots insist it's metal, and cite the weak opus eponymous as their best album despite Meliora being superior in every way.

They don't really SLAY, do they?
Whats the point of music that doesn't SLAY?

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>>61533358
>>61533377
>>61533407
Can you please direct me to the expert who defines what is and what isn't 'metal'?

I'm not a metalhead but I'm just starting to get into the genre very slowly , and I gave their most recent album a listen and I found it very boring and it feels like it drags on even though its only 40mins long.

>>61533473
Whatever metal is, it sure isn't a total soft-rock dronefest like this record

>>61533324

Because they're popular

>>61533473
metal isn't ironic

Ghost was never a metal band. They're an Occult Rock band.

Saying Ghost isn't heavy metal is literally the same thing as saying Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and 70's Judas Priest aren't heavy metal

>>61533407
that's because fantano gave meliora a 9 so it's too mainstream for meliora to be their favorite

>>61533520
This. Their songs have hooks, and people with friends and steady jobs and gym memberships like it.

I went to see the Memphis Grizzlies play the Lakers recently, and they played an excerpt from "Cirice" on the court.

So it's full-on mainstream, and the fact that there's something out there with catchy hooks that has gone full-on mainstream popular that calls itself metal drives exclusionist metalheads up a fucking wall.

Metal for them was supposed to be a super secret edgy club with secret hand gestures and shit, not a cardio playlist.

But honestly, there's popular satanic metal now, it's trendy to play around with satanic imagery, and there's really nothing metalheads can do about their once edgy hobby being completely 100% socially acceptable and with a fanbase inundated with the same successful, well-adjusted normies they were fleeing in the first place.

>>61533575
Nah. Ghost is an occult rock band.

Have some better occult rock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEGyTSfKJcI

>>61533575
No it isn't, and you're a fucking moron for implying that

>>61533603
Ghost is not a metal band and never was. By definition they were always occult rock. There is no mainstream satanic metal.

>>61533606

Well prove me otherwise.

Oh no, does Ghost have catchy riffs? So does Sabbath

>>61533622
>having catchy riffs makes something metal
Holy shit you're retarded

>>61533622
Hard rock bands also have catchy riffs too. Riffs doesn't make something metal.

Ghost is occult rock.

http://thegreatsouthernbrainfart.com/?p=12648

>>61533621

OCCULT ROCK
OCCULT ROCK
OCCULT ROCK

>if I keep typing and retyping this ridiculous overly-specific genre designation that no one but me uses, maybe I can redefine Ghost out of the metal community and get my special club back

>>61533606
the only reason I can think of for people thinking it's not metal is the vocals, "hurr durr this sounds gay"

>>61533636
Occult rock isn't even an obscure term you retarded faggot, are you musically illiterate?

http://www.last.fm/tag/occult+rock

>>61533428
Thank you

>>61533650
vocals have nothing to do with it, if vocals were the issue a majority of power metal bands and actual heavy metal bands wouldn't be metal

>>61533650
>the only reason I can think of for people thinking it's not metal is the vocals

nigga one of the most revered metal musicians of all time had gay as fuck vocals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJH0eBtnbcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S3BcBDM85A

>>61533651
not him but thats a bullshit tag

>>61533621
>>61533622
>>61533634
>>61533635
>>61533636
Do they down tune their guitars and use distortion?

>>61533324
Y'know, I've been thinking about all the things I've seen held against them, musically, in youtube comments and by many of those criticisms, a band like Black Sabbath wouldn't be considered "real metal".
Now I'm not putting Ghost up there with Sabbath, I'm just saying these idiots have no idea what they're talking about.

>>61533651

Occult rock is as much of a real genre as IDM.

Ghost IS heavy metal, whether you like it or not. I'm not even that much into the band.

>>61533673
Noise Rock uses down tuned guitars and distortion as well you fucking moron

>>61533604
Will there ever be an occult rock band as good as The Devil's Blood ever again?

>>61533603
/thread x 10000

>>61533672
>>61533676
>occult rock is not real when it's convenient for my argument

No, they're occult rock. I'm not even saying Ghost is bad but they have literally nothing to do with metal. Occult Rock's been an established genre for decades and I won't have faggots like yourself shit all over that genre just so you can pretend you're listening to metal. Ghost was never metal. They're occult rock.

>>61533603
I heard them playing that weird guitar Chord progression from DG Exmilitary at a Grizzlies game recently. Mu core at basketball game, weird, but I could see this

>>61533691
>Noise Rock uses down tuned guitars and distortion as well you fucking moron

Noise rock doesn't involve tuning your guitar down to C# or C Standard. It's either E / Eb standard tuning, or open/modal tunings.

What makes heavy metal heavy metal are the slow, heavy riffs.

>>61533676
Usually you would categorize an artist based on sound, have you listened to these guys? Man, it's not heavy metal lol and the only thing that makes it seem that way is the imagery, which doesn't make it heavy metal

>>61533721
>What makes heavy metal heavy metal are the slow, heavy riffs
Your posts are just getting worse and worse

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>>61533721
>What makes heavy metal heavy metal are the slow, heavy riffs.
That's doom metal, not heavy metal in general, and even then hard rock bands have had slow, heavy riffs without being metal. Here's a band with slow heavy riffs that isn't metal in the slightest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmd9BjnyLII

>>61533700
I don't like Ghost.

I think Ghost are metal whether people like it or not.

No one uses the term Occult Rock.

You are a huge faggot.

the band members without the makeup and all look like a early 2000s pop punk band. completely ruined the band for me.

>>61533755
>ghost is metal because I think it is

By actual definition Ghost isn't metal, this isn't even about opinions anymore but actual cold facts.

You can say Deafheaven is metal and that's fine because they combine black metal with shoegaze but you can't say Ghost is metal because they're literally an Occult Rock band.

>>61533748
>That's doom metal, not heavy metal in general
No, that's what original heavy metal was.

Slow, heavy distorted riffs and satanic/occult themed lyrics.

Higher tunings are more associated with punk-influenced crossbreeds of metal like thrash and black metal.

They are cheesy good fun. Metalheads always take themselfes too seriously. They might think they're not, but most of them really do.

>>61533771
>going looking for them

it's your own fault. why would you do this? it's literally like looking up what daft punk look like. sure, the curiosity is understandable, but if you act on it you only have yourself to blame

>>61533776

>By actual definition Ghost isn't metal, this isn't even about opinions anymore but actual cold facts.

[citations needed]

people butthurt that they're mislabling themselves, but metal aint the same metal it used to be. nowadays you need very specific subgenre names.

I still like ghost tho, meliora is easy listenings

ive never listened to ghost or like metal that isnt post and its derivatives but why do i get this feeling that metalheads dont like ghost because its mainstream and ''normies'' like it and you know metal is a secret club

>>61533792
Heavy metal actually wasn't coined as a popular term until bands like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden came around, and those bands dropped the entire "slow psychedelic heavy blues rock" sound that Pentagram and Black Sabbath had. People were referrign to bands like Maiden and Priest as heavy metal and Black Sabbath as doom metal.

>>61533776
So you gon tell me a song like Ghost's Elizabeth isn't heavy metal but Sabbath's Snowblind is?
Sounds like we have a secret-club metalhead that feels jealous and has never actually listened to Ghost

He Is is Backstreet Boys Metal

that is the genre of that song

it's awesome

>>61533792

Do you actually think Black Sabbath literally invented heavy metal?

Deep Purple, Judas Priest and others came around the same time, and had a different approach to heavy metal than Sabbath.

Heavy metal is an outdated term.

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This is occult rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Ao4t_fe0I

This is occult metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_WJB7KXae8

Ghost is fine and a great band, but stop trying to force it as metal when it isn't.

>>61533842
The term was applied to Led Zeppelin before any of them.

http://strawpoll.me/6466307

Listened to this band for the first time (Cirice).
Yeah. So this sucks...why are we analyzing it any further?

>>61533848
>Do you actually think Black Sabbath literally invented heavy metal?
No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kHYdhw-HyY

They're actually death metal if you people knew anything about metal you would know this. A bunch of indie loving fags in this thread discussing metal. smfh

What a bunch of dumb arguments, I'm glad places like this exist so I don't have to see the way you guys stupid faces would look when one of you starts spouting dumb bs like all of this. All of it

>>61533886
>If people say yes, that will make <thing> into <something> it is not

nigga if I posted a dog and said "this dog is a cat, these people agree with me", i'd just look retarded. Ghost isn't metal.

people who try and argue that sabbath didn't invent metal are the fucking worst

>muh deep purple
>muh blue cheer
>muh led zeppelin
>muh pentagram

just go the fuck home, you're embarrassing yourselves

ghost is metal btw

>>61533473
compare and contrast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM__lPTWThU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJuEjAo4ues

im in the minority that thinks that infestissumam is their best. per aspera ad inferi, jigolo har megiddo and ghuleh/zombie queen are all fantastic.

>>61533862
Son.
Genres are organization, not some kind of law, and Occult metal is not something we need to categorize again when it already fits the definition of goth metal or doom metal.
Can you at least explain yourself?

>>61533527
Ha, metal has always been very tongue in cheek.

>>61533837
"metalheads" don't like pop rock? No shit.

>>61533930
>ghost is metal btw
just go the fuck home, you're embarrassing yourself

fuck off occultfags, but I do agree ghost isn't metal in the slightest

this is doom metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WYIc0IT3kw

this isn't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxr5sKyK8ys

>>61533930
They're all proto-metal.

Sabbath was the legit first heavy metal band. Anything else is heresy.

>>61533527
metal is one of the most ironic genres

>make shitty riffs with really cheesy lyrics and some god awful guitar tone
>everything else isn't "real music"
>this excludes classical and jazz because they are the most similar to metal

I mean at least people who listen to PC music are aware of the irony

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>g-g-ghost is metal
>no it isn't, they're hard rock
>WHY DO METALFAGS HATE GHOST, WHY CAN'T THEY HAVE FUN?

That's all I'm seeing ITT.

This thread is almost reaching a hundred and I've yet to see a compelling objective explanation as to why Ghost isn't heavy metal.

>>61533527

That is the problem. Metalheads can't stand someone making fun of them let alone making fun of themselves. As a fanbase it's a complete shitheap filled with self-important neckbeard pseudo-intellectuals.

>>61533837
no, metalheads dont like normies
van halen is poppy as shit and they are considered heavy metal and hard rock, poison is poppy as shit and they are considered metal, fuck even iron maiden is incredibly easy listening and you never see people saying that shit isnt metal

>Sounds like a lighter AiC
>Muh not metal

metalheads are really autistic

why do metal fans always make an absolute shitshow of themselves in threads like these

youre just helping to drive in the stereotype that youre all legit autistic

>>61534003
because it's hard rock you irritating faggot

>>61534003
People generally give compelling objective counterarguments when the original argument is compelling in the first place. Saying Ghost is metal is ridiculous.

>ITT hipsters argue over what is or isn't metal.

I'm on the phone with my Dad right now, he is a big fan of metal (Metallica). I played him a track from Ghosts newest album and he himself confirmed that they are in fact metal.

Now that this is settled stop arguing like nerds.

>>61533957
metalheads dont like when normies like their music
iron maiden is easy listening music, and you dont see people saying that isnt metal, even poison is considered metal.
>>61534042
the fact that you used the word hipster makes your entire opinion invalid

>>61534003
Compare and contrast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7v8KZZBeKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRJwTS_2M5M
2013 was a fun year

hottest debate right now on /mu/

I think i've figured out what defines metal

If the autistic metalheads like something its metal
if they dislike it its not metal

according to my theory the actual content of the music is completely irrelevant

>>61533727
>This

I love these guys and am a fag for heavy metal, buuuut this argument is invalid, they're not heavy metal, the anon posting 'occult rock' over and over again is for sure the closest to defining these guys, maybe even 'occult doom rock' would be a bit closer but 'doom metal' it is not. which is what Sabbath unknowingly spawned when they hit the scene in the 70's and normally what slow, heavy riffs usually define in metal.

>>61533721
>slow, heavy riffs

These could also be inserted into ANY genre but does that immediately make them heavy metal? Like if fucking Weezer wrote in a slow, heavy riff but kept vocals and the rest of their structure the same? ehhhhh i think not.

>>61534059
>even poison is considered metal
These morons and those that think glam metal is real are the same people claiming Ghost is metal

>>61534070
>These could also be inserted into ANY genre but does that immediately make them heavy metal?
Better question, is Swans metal?

post actual doom metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK46o8HrT34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgnwMEz5lBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzKehbnHS40

>>61534067
you do realize a lot of the posts ITT saying Ghost isn't metal also say Ghost is a good hard rock band, right?

>>61534013
you're totally right, but you do realize most of the faggots arguing against ghost being metal would also argue that aic was alt rock, right?

dirt is literally a metal album that gets the non-genre tag of grunge because muh seattle

>>61534113
AIC was metal, not grunge.

I just don't care anymore, just enjoy Ghost you fags.

>>61534013
I've only heard a few singles, but Alice in Chains are metal?

>>61534003
dude, the vocals are so light and wistful.
To his credit they're melodic, but relative to the genre, it's like a Twee King Diamond.

On a sonic level, it's just not heavy. It's really that simple.

>>61533527
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>61533377
they aren't good because of the lyrics you sperg

>>61533676
>implying IDM isn't a genre

>>61533604
they sound pretty good but they certainly don't make Ghost look bad

>>61534097
nah

>>61534137
butt hurt

I don't understand this strawman in this thread. Are Ghost fans seriously trying to imply that whenever metalfags say Ghost isn't metal, that they're autistic elitists who hate Ghost? Since when is saying a band is a different genre mean you hate it?

>>61534161
>this

i love em, but like i said def wouldn't consider them metal. occult doom rock makes more sense. and i'm a huge fag for metal.

>>61534160
>nah
But why?

>>61534161
>Since when is saying a band is a different genre mean you hate it?
Since autistic metalheads have been refusing to ever listen to another genre

>>61534193
>Since autistic metalheads have been refusing to ever listen to another genre
How is this relevant to this thread or board? Metalfags on /mu/ listen to a lot of genres.

>>61534161
They're Hard Rock with prog rock influences and they use shock rock stage tricks which is what makes morons think they're metal

>>61534161
If you've been around metalheads long enough, you'd understand that this is disrespectful in their honor code.
The autism must be kept consistent or metal cannot be enjoyed.

>>61534151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qhxGU1_2hA
It went from post-Hard FM to sludgy alternative Metal (except for their EPs)

Mercyful Fate isn't heavy metal, only occult rock

>>61534161
compare and contrast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3uvf0cn0jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuS5Nz0kG1Q

>>61534210
You do realize metalfags on /mu/ are nothing like those, right? If you think /metal/ general has a fucking honor code you're delusional.

>>61534191
to me i define metal more or less as distorted guitars, loud drums, overall just massive walls of sound, whether it's power metal, thrash/speed metal, doom metal, death metal, black metal, sludge metal, nu metal, whatever. they all have that in common. vocals don't define metal imo. they vary so much from sub-genre to genre.

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what does mu think about death metal?

nu-mu

>>61533324
Too pop and normie

>>61534266
kek!

>>61533700
>Occult Rock's been an established genre for decades
prove it

>>61534247
Did I say anything about metalfags?
I'm talking about metalheads m8.
The former like music and discus it on /mu/, the latter don't and wear band shirts IRL.

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>metalfags don't think Ghost is metal because metalfags hate fun!

you guys do realize that this was seriously a contender for /mu/'s 2014 metal AOTY, right? This album is retardedly fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhcppysq6MM


>>61534283
Nice falseflagging, are you going to respond to yourself calling yourself out?

>>61534151
Aic started off with very real aspirations to enter the glam scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjqINWlKNNk

To their credit they were always "grittier". But people used to say that about skid row and GnR too.

>>61533527
Then how do you explain self aware wigger slam like epicardiectomy?

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>tfw normies think their quirky easy listening prog rock is metal

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what genre is cradle of filth and will i look like a pleb if i enjoy their music ?

>>61534252
Makes sense since Swans didn't use that much distortion or lower tunings on their releases. Just heavy drums and prominent bass.

>>61534310
tfw you will never lose your virginity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzQL_v2vaNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmG0v9pNgGU

The better album

The better retro worship band

Only hipsters and retards like Ghost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7DipwzfPOM

Another album better than Meliora

>>61534295
>prove it

It's written on paper. Originally occult rock was called pagan rock in the 70s, and 80s but slowly shifted towards occult rock in the 90s, 00s, and 10s.

Have some old occult rock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2D6C2IC1U0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagan_rock

>>61534340
word. however they are fucking cool and i dig their music very much.

>>61534310
stop falseflagging just to pretend to prove a point anon.

>>61534337
Back when I used youtube for music I stumbled upon the video for The Death of Love. It's metal alright.

SCOOBY DOO CHASE MUSIC!!!

>>61534380
nothing in that post was a falseflag you shit flinging retard

>>61534379
>word. however they are fucking cool and i dig their music very much.

Example, Godflesh tried to imitate Swans with Streetcleaner, but that's metal.

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>>61533324
fug god :DDDDDDDDD

>>61534408
wow that's a really good description of ghost's music

>>61534337
>>61534391
i'd go as far to say it's nu-watered-down-black metal. some hardcores would probably say it's poser black. but "Her Ghost In The Fog" is a killer track.

>>61534408
/thread

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>>61533792
shut up you're wrong

>>61534408

to be honest What's New Scooby Doo had some cool tracks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkysjcs5vFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDK9QqIzhwk
Why is nobody comparing and contrasting?

>>61534494
bingo.

downtuning is in so many subgenres of heavy metal. you're stupid.

>>61534513
yeah who hasn't grooved to scooby doo chase music

>>61534516

Because no one gives a fuck

>>61534513
I can't remember whether or not the all-girl vampirecore band the gang were friends with were actual vampires. I'd let them fang me regardless.

So they're nu-doom occult rock? got it :^)

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>Ghost
>metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dcDIgQXmAE

>>61534364
this arouses me

>>61534648
this shit is fucking killer. thank you for that.

>>61534364
How is this any different to regular rock?

ayy let's post some more meal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW316ufQvbs

>>61534648

>posting the shitty sped-up version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlitksyuOd8

can we post more female-fronted occult rock?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-SlLxeTdMk

>>61534744
nice meal, friend

>>61534763
huh! this is even fucking better. thanks for that correction. currently downloading their discography.

>>61534789
This is straight-up Master of Reality stoner metal, what are you on about?

>>61534837
>Occult rock refers to 1970s psychedelic / proto-doom metal bands like Black Sabbath, Pentagram, Coven and Black Widow, and nowadays artists inspired by such bands. Occult rock bands have heavy emphasis on occult subject matter and imagery, such as gnosticism, hermeticism, Satanism, neopaganism and Lovecraftian horror.

>>61534861
>supporting his claim with a wikipedia article written by a metalfag

Ghost are an entertaining band that make enjoyable music, regardless of genre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgamwEi90w4

>>61534952
you sound like a fucking youtube comment

>wear corpse paint

>without wretched vocals

>and don't actually believe themselves to be serial killers or performing 'real' satanic rites

FUCKING

POSERS

METAL ISN'T MUSIC, IT'S A FUCKING LIFESTYLE. I AM METAL HEAR ME GROWL

\_'.'_/

>>61534937
>wikipedia

What?

>>61534999
who are you replying to

>>61534999

>what is Kiss
>what is King Diamond
>what is Alice Cooper

>>61535123

The is an undercurrent of metal fans that resent Ghost, generally the most autistic of the bunch.

>>61535152
Point out a metal fan acting like this ITT, or even anywhere in general, please.

>Ghost
>not metal
>occult rock

pure autism

>>61535194
Explain how Ghost is metal in your own words without being influenced by other people, please. Most arguments I've seen for Ghost being metal would also mean nearly every Hard Rock band would be considered metal too.

>>61533324
because it's a simpler and grotesque version of what I know and like

>>61535225
just listen to Ritual. the main riff, the guitar solo, the satanic lyrics. its all heavy metal

The Evolution of Ghost Fandom Among Self-Conscious and Pretentious American Metalheads:

2010: European release of Opus Anonymous; American audience exposed largely through social media, especially Facebook posts of L.G. Petrov
>dude this is fucking awesome it's like a dario argento film set to deep purple; it's what kiss could've been

2011: American release of Opus Anonymous, subsequent American tour, complete saturation of boutique ("underground") audience in US
>dude i totally heard of this before all of you i even have the import-only elizabeth 7"

2013: release of Infestissumam; debuts in Billboard Top 200
>it's definitely a sophomore slump; gettin' kinda pissed at how commercial ghost is gettin'; prolly not wearin' my ghost t-shirts anymore

2015: release of Meloria; live performance on Colbert
>fuck this sellout shit, fuckin' kids listenin' to what used to be an OK band; it's not even metal anyway; i never even really liked them

This is not coincidentally also the career arc of Interpol.

>>61535254
I never asked you to give me a song to listen to, I asked you to explain. One of the key aspects of "I don't know what I'm talking about!" on /mu/ is when somebody's unable to explain their point, they just tell people to "go listen to it."

Ghost is one of my favorite rock bands of all time. Of course I've listened to it. They're not metal.

They're from Scandinavia so they're clearly black metal.

>>61535263
>this hits really close to home
fuck you you fucking faggot

ghost isn't metal. you want some modern traditional heavy metal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdNVKTpnOpQ

>>61533324
I never understood how one could confuse Ghost with metal. They're a fantastic band but they're closer to doom rock than they are metal. They're a doom rock band that takes heavy influence from 70s Pagan/Occult rock aesthetically and take tons of influence from 70s and 80s prog rock musically.

>>61535263
Metal heads are image obsessed to a greater degree than scene kids so that's not surprising.

>>61535263
Do you have anything to back this statement up?

>>61535517
>is this objective and indisputable account of history an objective and indisputable account of history
Go ask someone with more than one Earth album in his collection what he thinks of Ghost.

how is this not metal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A-IoOEPbUs

>>61533707
> that weird guitar Chord progression from DG Exmilitary

You mean Link Wray?

Jesus fuck, you're an embarrassment anon

>>61535561
If it is objective and indisputable, it should be easy to back up yourself.

>>61535574
The better question, how is it? If you're going to pretend that is metal, you might as well say this is metal (which it clearly isn't.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLMPA4xPFpg

>>61535574
Because guitar tone means fuck all in a musical genre.

>>61535561
but he's not asking someone with more than one Earth album, he's asking you

>>61535614
I just did, you fucking imbecile.

>>61535574
if that's metal then hard rock as a genre doesn't exist and is all metal senpai

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>>61535652
Is the Ghost fan mad? Strike a nerve? I asked YOU to back up your statement and you didn't. Stop hiding behind other people and back up your own claims instead of telling people to ask ___ instead.

Nobody's going to take you seriously if you act like a baby about it. Back yourself before you spew bullshit.

>>61535614
no, this is completely different. I know this is stoner rock.

the way the riffs resolves in Ghost songs is very heavy metal-like. I dont know much theory but Id say theres a tritone in there.

>>61535623
thats not completely true

>>61535694
If I played Greensleeves on a djent guitar does that make it djent?

>>61535722
Djent is literally a guitar tone. It doesn't describe a genre, prog is what you're thinking

>>61535694
If you know it's stoner rock, then you should know that Ghost is doom rock.

Plenty of hard rock bands have very metal-like riffs, but again, there is a gravity that metal has to have that Ghost just lacks. I'm not dissing Ghost musically but Ghost falls under doom rock (occult rock maybe if you want to get specific.

>doom rock refers to music that encompasses the emotion, tone and beat of doom metal, but without the obvious heaviness, fitting better in the rock genre.

>>61535722
partially, yes.

>>61535737
OK. If I played For Whom the Bell Tolls on an upright bass, does that make it jazz?

>>61535737
Djent isn't prog, or at least, isn't anymore. Djent's become its own genre. A style of music that's populated by hundreds of bands -is- a genre. Djent is referred to as a genre now. Progressive implies originality and thinking outside of the box and exploring new frontiers of your respective genre. This, for example would be progressive because it's boundary-breaking and exploring new territory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN9fHbM0UcU

This, for example, isn't progressive because it fits directly into a predefined style and doesn't leave its boundaries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ib8agrGdE

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>>61535775
Your choice of instrument doesn't dictate genre you turbosperg

>>61535783
>Progressive implies originality and thinking outside of the box and exploring new frontiers of your respective genre
You do not know what progressive metal is

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>consider myself a big fan of metal
>really like Ghost, Meliora is one of my favorite albums of 2015 if not #1
Am I a poser now?

>>61535810
>Your choice of instrument doesn't dictate genre you turbosperg
Which was the point I was making you metalfag.

>>61534999
\........./

Who cares what genre Ghost are, they suck and the satanism gimmick is retarded

>>61535831
I am not >>61535694
and you made your point very shittily

>>61535810
Most metal labeled progressive -isn't- progressive. Copying dream theater, fates warning or voivod isn't progressive. Copying the first djent bands isn't progressive either. The originators of the genre were progressive for trying something new.

From an actual musical standpoint progressive means to explore new boundaries within the walls of your genre. For this reason alone, the term "avantgarde metal" is actually and truly progressive metal. The term avantgarde metal to begin with is dumb on it's own since you can't be avantgarde and an already predefined genre at the same time. Avantgarde metal is progressive metal and most traditional prog metal save for the pioneers isn't progressive.

>>61535263
Lmao true t b h familia

>>61535858
You dislike Ghost, your opinion is irrelevant.

>>61535839
THIS

I don't care what genre you classify them, they just sound like shit

>>61533771
> I'm retarded: the post

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>>61535886

>>61535875
And I was talking about prog metal the genre, not the musical concept so shut the fuck up about avantegarde metal in this context because it's not relevant

Why are metalheads afraid of metal becoming mainstream again?

It was one of the few good things about the 80s.

>>61535925
Prog metal is hardly a genre. It started as a concept by bands trying to do something new and was overridden by clones trying to copy these bands.

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Before i entered this thread i was neutral about ghost fans but reading this fucking thread I've come to realize how retarded the fans truly are. jesus christ

ghost is great though, I can applaud them for making the mainstream with satanic imagery and bringing hard rock back into the spotlight

>>61533324
Just found out they wore nominated for Grammy ,"Best metal performance" and it appears they're gonna win it.
https://www.grammy.com/nominees?genre=31

>>61535945
No one cares what your personal opinion on the validity of prog metal's existence as a genre is, as it stands prog metal describes a specific subgenre of metal and that isn't changing just because it upsets you. Just like how Ghost isn't metal and people being upset about it isn't going to change that

>>61535990
Jethro Tull are also metal.

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to all who say they aren't metal: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ghost/3540309157

also, they get shitted on since they go to great lengths to attempt to look as evil/cult-ish as possible (put-on) while having a soft, poppy sound.

i enjoyed their last album.

>>61535993
Prog itself doesn't describe a specific sound. The definition is pretty barebones and could mean anything. These are both prog metal and sound nothing like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FAo53yEsrI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVwl3kZwRX0

>Progressive metal is a subgenre of heavy metal, which blends the powerful, guitar-driven sound of metal with the complex compositional structures, odd time signatures, and intricate instrumental playing of progressive rock. Progressive metal is guitar-driven and often features varying (and sometimes sudden) changes in time signatures. The genre is also known for lending itself to complex and extended guitar solos. Consequently, progressive metal songs can become relatively long.

>>61536073
The metal-archives are incredibly unreliable. They won't allow a bunch of bands who are clearly heavier and more metal than a lot of the stuff on there in, and have included 60s prog rock bands.

>>61536073
http://www.metal-archives.com/report/by-object/type/1/id/3540309157/mode/page

>>61536073
>unironically using metal archives in an attempt to determine what is and isnt metal

>>61536073
>citing the metal-archives as a fucking resource

Literally what? They're biased as fuck.

>>61536115
>Prog itself doesn't describe a specific sound
>>61535993
> prog metal describes a specific subgenre of metal
Hmmm nowhere did I mention a "sound" you fucking moron

>being unironically proud that you listen to metal

Lol what are you guys, 14?

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>>61536073
is this bait?

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>>61535990
>august burns red, slipknot, sevendust, lamb of god
>these are the bands that Ghost get grouped with

>>61535942
Metal is mainstream. It's probably the second most popular form of music.

>>61536189
All great bands too, but Ghost is better.

Can you name a recent metal band more original than Ghost?

>>61536232
>Ghost
>original
>70's revival shit
>original
wew lad

All metalheads care about is genres, go discuss your genrewhining somewhere else. You guys are the youtube audience, fuck off from /mu/ please.

>>61536232
>Can you name a recent metal band more original than Ghost?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXOGQ5yFzps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTg1u9P6aQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4CfkNcGM2Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pKjF41Yx1k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su3W6GsKZhk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTetAcdsozQ

>up for a Grammy

well there you go

>>61533324
Because metalheads are outcast teenagers who have nothing going for them so they try to fit in with each other by hating the popular kids, ie, ghost, slipknot, a7x etc

>>61533428
I recognize this, where is it from?

In Sweden at least they're popular because gamer kids and "metal" girls have a hardon for melodic stuff like Nightwish, Hammerfall etc and James Hetfield promoted them on national television at the big 4 gig

>>61536250
Imagine a discussion between disco fags arguing about how A isnt as techno-house dance as B is so trip-psycotrance beat loud 'n bass.
That's what this looks like

>>61536193
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Try, like, 12th. Maybe 11th.

>mfw OP successfully made metalfags mad

>>61533810

BABYMETAL is popular in Europe so the field is not dominated by serious edgelords.

>>61533324
Its a band for people who like hard rock/metal to listen to and feel like they have a diverse taste
I find them kinda enjoyable tho, especially Meliora

Same reason for Deafheaven

They play a genre that was either created or repopularized in the 21st century and are enjoying large success from their (often times legitimate) songwriting ability

>>61533527
This man has the autism

>>61535424
It's not that people confuse them with metal, it's that some metal fans confuse anything softer than death/black metal with non-metal.

>>61537084
citation needed.

>>61537084
Bingo, it's not as if there isn't commercially-viable metal, and it's not really a bad thing either.

>>61537084

this t b h

>>61537084
Why are metal fans such autists?

>>61533324
i like em im a metalhead i like the blue oyser cult influence

>>61533939
this
infestissumam isnt that bad

>>61533324

Because they look heavier/harder than they actually are. I'd seen what the band looked like before actually hearing them, so I was fully expecting some sweeping, furious Dimmu Borgir/Fleshgod Apocalypse-type business, and hearing 70s-heavy rock-and-roll was like having a bucket of ice water dumped on my head. I still can't really get into Opus Eponymous (although I love Per Aspera and Zombie Queen), but I dug Infinetessumam and I adore Meliora. The visuals are just such a huge departure from what most metalheads expect from other theatrical acts that it turns them off immediately. It's a shame, too.