I was more sad about Galabru's death two days ago
can't really say I'm giving half of a heck here
I first found out about Boulez through Frank Zappa :|
There are some great recordings available on Spotify. Check out him with the BBC/Ensemble Intercontemporain on Eclats/Multiples, his DG recording of Pli Selon Pli (and of Le Marteau sans Maitre) and the Naxos recording of the piano sonatas.
I don't disagree, but this board as a culture thinks more of Ornette Coleman.
Have you heard any other piano sonata recordings? I just didn't know Montaigne had a set and I'm wondering if it's the best.
(the rest are all good)
well I guess that answers that?
I have 4 sets of his sonatas and various other singles and I think Idil Biret on naxos does them best. She can be fairly bland and forgettable in most of her rep, especially Beethoven but shines in Boulez.
not knowing who Pierre Boulez is should be the test of whether or not you like music as a hobby or as a sincere interest/passion
He was too based for this world
RIP in peace.
Without him we probably wouldn't know Bartok's music among many many other 20th Century composers who's work he pioneered in his time with the BBC Symphony and the NY Phil, as well as throughout his life.
I may not listen to a lot of his music, but he has helped cement many of the 20th century greats in modern repertoires.
I predict there will be no sticky. /mu/ only cares about bands and popular music. The people here with good enough taste to enjoy 20th century art music are few and far between. There will be no 5000+ posts about how great the ace of spades was, only 300 ish as this thread 404s forever.
You can tell how genuinely sad they are!
Prove me wrong.
No he was a contemporary of Stockhausen, he just lived longer, but didn't compose much recently anyway. He more continued the work of Schoenberg and Webern but became a fundamentalist for "total serialism" before giving up and being a conductor of mostly 20th century works.
>Not since Wagner had a composer played the bully to such effect. Boulez’s tactics were exuberantly brutal: he compared himself several times to the Bolsheviks and to the Chinese Red Guards. He placed Stravinsky in his neoclassical period at the head of the “useless.” He accused Schoenberg, after his death, of the “most ostentatious and obsolete romanticism.” Webern was “too simple.” Berg suffered from “bad taste,” Ravel from “affectation.” Twelve-tone music in its extant form was overrun by “number-fanatics” who engaged in “frenetic arithmetic masturbation.” Boulez’s teacher, Olivier Messiaen, produced “brothel music.” John Cage, who was at one time an ally of Boulez, became a “performing monkey,” and Karlheinz Stockhausen, likewise, a “hippie.” The American minimalists displayed a “supermarket aesthetic,” the American serialists had a “cashier’s point of view.” Brahms was a “bore,” Tchaikovsky “abominable,” Verdi “stupid, stupid, stupid!” And so on.
Based as fuck
Some of these are accurate, [spoiler]others can't really say[/spoiler], but like half of those are just gratuitous insults.
But Le Sacre du Printemps was great directed by Boulez himself, and performed by Cleveland Orchestra!
Don't be inconsiderate. He's dead, not a fucking beyblade.
>yeah, i think it's fair to say that the transcendental coltrane was superior to and more relevant than the navel gazing boulez
I didn't mean to say that Boulez is shite, I love them both, but saying things like
>Coltrane is a midget compared to Boulez
is retarded. Artists who are that good are impossible to compare because they're both essentially "perfect" and there's little either can bring to the table that the other can't
That said I do prefer Coltrane taken as a whole.
>He got his passport seized by Swiss police in September 2001 because in 1967 he threatened to blow up opera houses.
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN!
But fuck we will never have someone as nearly as based to BTFO critics.
>I may not listen to a lot of his music, but he has helped cement many of the 20th century greats in modern repertoires.
This. We gotta be thankful for many of these 20th century figures; music today, whether classical or popular, wouldn't be the same without them.
Came here to post Repons.
I don't in general agree with his approach to composition (which often seemed to favor organizational principles over the actual perceived sound), but his contributions have been extraordinarily important.
Miller Puckette tho.
I think the hair is contagious, he used to be at IRCAM.
>rest in peace
>here's a link to the shittiest thing he ever did
That was a solo Synclavier thing, Boulez was only involved in the orchestral tracks. Christ, what a fucking idiot.
They're all old as shit, so it wouldn't be surprising.
at least when he's reviewing metal and indie, there's that implied sense of "I'm just a music nerd, I'm not trying to seem legitimate, I'm not trying to seem like some important critic; I'm just a guy who reviews popular music"
but then when he starts talking Jazz or Classical it's like he's trying to seem greater, more knowledgeable or diverse than he actually is
>hated Stravinsky's hipster embrace of neoclassicism
based as fuck
>nothing negative about Debussy or Bartok
even more based
Symhpony of Psalms is his greatest achievement during that awful modernsky period, along with the Violin Concerto, Scherzo a la russe, Les noces, Cappriccio, Piano Concerto, and L'histoire
Everything else of his is complete ass after 1945
>Debussy was inarguably a much more important composer.
>That being said would rather listen to Ravel.
Didn't disagree on that, however I would state that most people often overlook how novel the application of jazz and blues in Ravel's music was, as well as the more rigid structures to a language that is somewhat similar to Debussy's.
There's at least a smidgen of truth in it though, or at least I feel that way. Nothing wrong with it though.
>There's at least a smidgen of truth in it though
I don't think so at all, Ravels application of classical forms in his compositions is why I admire and enjoy his music so much. A brilliant craftsman in the vein of Mozart, Brahms, Schoenberg, and Carter
Best Stravinsky is Russian/Early Neoclassical Stravinsky, I don't care if someone calls me a pleb for saying that.
>I don't think so at all, Ravels application of classical forms in his compositions is why I admire and enjoy his music so much. A brilliant craftsman in the vein of Mozart, Brahms, Schoenberg, and Carter
Oh no, I meant that his way of working, reworking and rewriting a piece till it's completely waterproof, might on a superficial level make it seem like an ordinary craftsman, without any spark of imagination or genius. A talented magician, but not someone who actually can perform magic.
That said, his application of form and structure is actually why I enjoy him so much. For some reason I tend to value it more than free or improvisatory forms.
You are right, one of the most influential classical composers and conductors of the second half of the 20th century doesn't really belong on this "music as a fashion accessory" site.
Who will conduct Stravinsky, Schoenberg, Messiaen, or Ligeti as good as him today?
Salonen comes to mind, but that's it.
That's pretty much every board though.
Have you been to /tv/ lately? If you hide all meme threads, all /pol/ threads, all porn threads, all feet fetishist threads, all pedo threads, all internet celebrity threads, there's literally nothing left.
Memes were the worst thing to happen to 4chan.
Salonen's definitely the new Boulez even if lacking in the shitposting demeanor
what killed 4chan is 1) GamerGate 2) The Fappening 3) whatever it's called the Cuckening I guess
Craft is pretty shit unfortunately but some of Stravinsky's late works have no better recording. Even some of the stuff recorded by Stravinsky himself is let down by poor musicians.
Although I never thought of exploring his compositions just now, most of my Schoenberg, Debussy, Webern and Messiaen are all masterfully conducted by him. Truly a master.
What a terrible loss, may he rest in peace
>Piece he did with Zappa
He conducted some of Zappa's work, I wouldn't consider that something "he did with Zappa." That's like saying "Here's a piece he did with Stravinsky" and linking to him conducting Rite of Spring.
Was it really important? I don't even got to know what exactly happened. I just know it's something with Anita and /v/. Did that really affect us?
Nah. It had no real concecuences.
>Did that really affect us?
You apparently weren't here when this happened. It was fucking everywhere.
And then people from reddit and stuff started pouring in, because 4chan was GG central. Thankfully moot decided to stop it, so they moved back to reddit and 8gag.
I can remember when /v/tards came here are cried, just imagine if feminist decided to attack your music, and tried to make a music GG out of every p4k review. And I was just there thinking to myself, that this idiots never read any feminist criticism of entire romanticism.
And fappening was just that, but even more. It's like project chanology but even worse.
Oh okay found it. I was referring to this, just never knew this was referred as #musicgate.
Man that was probably the most retarded thing on /mu/ last year.
is this one of those unlistenable 20th century composers who wrote dissonant music full of screeching violins for balding, severe men in turtlenecks to muse over like math equations?
i'm sorry he's dead, but wew, i will not be honoring his memory by listening to his music.
>Was it really important? I don't even got to know what exactly happened.
To this day no one knows exactly what 'Gamer gate' actually was. There were lots of butt mad virginal /v/ posters sending death threats to Sarkeesian and others, but what were they mad about? God only knows.
I'm so sorry friend, you have a case of the utterly, irredeemable, ignorant plebitus.
but no, his music is not particularly dissonant. it's post-tonal, but I wouldn't characterize all his music as particularly difficult. try his first piano sonata, it's rather Messiaen like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmpvx16qGJU .
because /mu/ is filled with underage or just barely 18 year old's who only listen to butt-indie, drone p4k, the needledrop and like meme rap. There's only a small selection of people who browse/post on here that have actually decent taste. The rest, like mentioned before, have shit taste. Just look at this board. It's filled to the brim with non-ironic appreciation of fucking k-pop, butt-indie and meme rap. The lewronggeneration crowd, the tumblr and reddit crossover and the influx of other board has made this board a generic cesspool of music discussion. Granted, it's still better than most outlets; say like /r/music. But nonetheless, this board has always has had bad taste and it remains so today.
part 2: meant to also say. don't be surprised if this does not get a sticky. If one of the arctic monkey members passed away, then yes. Someone who did something important to music like Pierre Boulez. Maybe. It's quite sad.
no-one *on /mu/* knows who this bloke is.
Thats because /mu/ is mostly popular music plebs.
case and point.
"Who is Boulez?" The words of someone who doesn't know a thing about 20th century music.
Its fine, go back to your death grips, NMH and kanye threads, nothing to see here. You wouldn't get the music or understand his influence. You probably dont know who Bartok, Messiaen or Elliott Carter are either.
Lang (Klaus, Bernard, David)
Probably not significant to you, granted.
Man Pli selon pli is fucking amazing.
Not the guy you're responding to, but I've only heard Le Marteau Sans Maitre, and actually Pli selon Pli is I think (this is my first listen) better.