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Why aren't you listening to Schoenberg right now?
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I don't have him :<
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>>61529207
I'm not taking a bath right now
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I actually am.
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Because I'm listening to Frank Zapap.
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>>61529207
You forgot the links OP, again.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
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https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
http://crudblud.sjm.so/
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>>61529207
Wrong baldy of the day
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>Boulez is dead
;_;
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apology for poor english

when were you when boulez dies?

i was sat at home listening memezart when phone ring

‘boulez is kill’

‘no’
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>Harnoncourt retired
>Boulez dead
Taxes must be suicidal right now.
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sorry, i'm occupied with aphex twins
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>no half dead cat tracks
not interested
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>>61531079

Bartok and Debussy don't belong in the top row. Replace them with Shitke and Mahler.

NOW!
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>Boulez dead
its only a matter of time before the explosives he rigged in opera houses all over the world go off

rip ;_;
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>>61531079
>>61531871

REPLACE THEM YOU FUCKING CRETIN!!!!!!111
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>>61532299
This is an avant teen in action, folks.
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>>61532321

How the hell are Bartok and Debussy avantcore?

Their music has more in common with the music of (late) Chopin or Scriabin than with Stravinsky or God forbid Schoenberg. Are we being real right now?

>anything remotely dissonant not made by germans = AVANTLOLXDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

End yourselves.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>61532396
;_;
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>>61529469
I love Frank Zapap.
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watchin anime desu
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>>61532396
rip
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the avant-garde died today, with only poor old-fashioned wuorinen still trucking through in the spirit of the time no matter what (my guess is: he's an ai stuck in 1965)

rip in pieces boulez, nvr 4get
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so was he still working on pli selon pli
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What was Boulez's favorite composition from another composer?
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>>61532931
parsifal, i think?
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>>61532915
man i hope we get to see and hear the gajillions of unfinished and unperformed works he has lying around in his flat. there's certainly opera sketches hiding in there :^)
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Do people besides Boulez conduct Boulez well?
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>>61533054
sure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIlfuf2wUok

nagano's done some too and so have various other conductors
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>>61533012
>implying they werent rigged to be destroyed via fire upon his death

maybe more recording jewels like his beethoven 5th are now going to be reissued :^)

>>61533054
maderna probably
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>>61531079
I know this is a hard day for you. ;_;
>>61532396
Is that Steve Reich in the middle?
>>61533054
Yeah lots do.
TBF you have to be in order to do that stuff.
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>>61533087
yeah, they're probably booby trapped as to kill the poor grad students that are gonna be put in charge of sorting through that mess
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Ready for some cringe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoclassical_metal#Styles_and_Theory
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TIL David Lang's an all right guy

>>61533222
I mean it's wikipedia mang just delete it.
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still my favorite boulez picture
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>>61533394
Boulez is a pussy magnet.
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>>61533408
Was, anon. Was.
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>>61533408
But a colossal closeted faggot as well.
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We /Boulez/ now.
What works of his are you listening to? What works are you listening to him conduct?
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>>61533597
onto the 2 dérives now. really need to find my external disc later today: all my boulez trove is on there
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>>61533597
gonna listen to some of his live wagner later
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>>61533597
probably down the pile from top
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>>61529207
>whether one composers in a conventional or progressive manner
>whether one composers
>composers
>verb
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>>61531079
I like this a lot.

>>61531871
But I also agree with this.

But yeah, Stravisnky, Schoenberg, Ligeti...

--I mean, they're fine. They're fine. Honestly, though, Rite of Spring sounds like the a Michael Bay score. And speaking personally, I went through a lot of my life shunning Romantic music and listening pretty much solely to more "experimental" contemporary composers.

And I realize now that I didn't really like orchestral music back then. I liked the idea of liking it, but mostly I was in it for the bragging rights, which is why I gravitated immediately to the supposedly "difficult" experimental stuff.

I've come back around to Schoenberg, and he's fine. But the real fun for me is the late Romantic composers. Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Smetana... that shit's just good.
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>>61533780
jesus christ please listen to more classical music
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kek
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>>61533780
lol
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Who is even left from the 50's/60's avantgarde?
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>>61533222

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music

>more than enough for some major cringe.
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>>61533882
penderecki and part but they actually died soon after the 60s

wuorinen's my pick for the composer who's stayed truest to the spirit and who's still active. there's cerha too but i think he's sick and not composing anymore.

otherwise there's also the brits who came to age towards the very end of that era so i'm not sure that they really count.
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>>61530321
Whoa, first time in this board and I already love it.

thanks!
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>go on rutracker looking for a good bruckner comp
>find what i want
>it's in fucking lossless
>end up downloading a "best of romanticism" boxset
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>>61529207
Cause sequencing random notes one after the other is shit.

Death metal gets chromaticism right.
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>>61534910
>pretending to know anything about composition
Pleb please
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>>61534841
>not listening to classical in lossless formats

Just convert to lossy
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>>61534073
Had no idea Wuorinen was still alive! At least there's him.
Yeah at least the Brits will keep us in quality hands for the next few decades. And the Scands.
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>>61534910
Death metal is much more random than dodecaphonic music
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>>61534910
>random notes
lol
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what's the composer for edgelords? listening to music too happy makes me nauseous.
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>>61535398
Gesualdo
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>>61535398
What do you mean by edgelord
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downloading the complete DG set of Boulez' works

should I upload here when finished?
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>>61536065
More uploads are always appreciated.
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>>61529207
where i start win the schoen and the berg
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>>61536096
well with the Schoen listen to
-Verklarte Nacht
-string quartet 1
-pierrot lunaire
-string quartets 2, 3
-piano concerto
-string quartet 4
-violin concerto
in that order

for the Berg
-piano sonata
-lyric suite
-der wein
-violin concerto
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>>61536135
you ae great, thank you.
by the way, where can I find loseless downloads of classical music? the links in the /classical/ general are mostly mp3
thanks!
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What are the top three string quartets by shostakovich?
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>>61536171
np! rutracker would be your best, public tracker bet. more often than not I find the ONLY downloads available are lossless
>>61536190
13
14
15
in that order IMO
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>>61536190
7,8,15
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>>61536096
depends on your musical background but if you're familiar with late romanticism (esp. mahler and wagner) you can start with the early works and basically go at it chronologically. schoenberg's output is one of the more coherent when approached that way

for a somewhat quicker foray i'd go through

verklarte nacht
kammersymphony no. 1
string quartet 2
5 pieces for orchestra
pierrot lunaire
suite for piano
ode to napoleon
piano concerto
string trio
op. 50s

and moses und aron somewhere in there (best orchestra/oratorio/whatever of the 20th century IMO). Either way, i don't think there's such a thing as a wrong starting point in schoenberg's music because it's all golden (and i mean it, there's little to no duds in his entire published output).

>>61536190
15 then 15 and finally 15
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>>61536322
>best orchestra/oratorio/whatever of the 20th century IMO
>orchestra
opera
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>>61536322
thank you mister, I'm happy /classical/ can actually help some new listeners, thank you!
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>>61536197
>>61536226
>>61536322
>15
just to make sure, these are for his string quartets right? i havent listened to his symphonies but apparently symphony no. 15 is widely regarded as the best one. just wanted to make sure you werent mistaking string quartets for symphonies
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>>61536605
>but apparently symphony no. 15 is widely regarded as the best one.
Shut the fuck up Scaruffi it isn't at all.
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>>61536605
string quartet
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Trying to get back into composition

I'll probably pack it in again in a few months but I want to make a serious go of it this time

Are there any books about composition that you would consider essential? I've read a lot on certain composers but never any more general guides
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>>61536618
sorry i havent listened to it yet
>>61536622
ok just making sure. im about half way through it and 7 & 8 have been my favorite so far
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>>61536692
>sorry i havent listened to it yet
I just don't understand where if not from Scaruffi you got the idea that it is WIDELY considered to be his best.
Not even close. 4, 5, 7, 10 are all considered better symphonies (though personally I would say 4, 5, 14.)
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listening to Ravel's string quartet again - 2nd movement is god-tier
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>>61536740
>I just don't understand where if not from Scaruffi you got the idea that it is WIDELY considered to be his best.
from scaruffi drones
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From all of Bartok's music, what resembles out of doors the most?
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>>61536740
Trip trip poly
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>>61537100
Kossuth
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>>61529207
Because I'm listening to Cherry Coloured Funk.
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>>61537442
P good non-classical taste senpai
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>>61537100
piano sonata
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>>61537100
the sound of bartoks 9 inch jumbo hungarian penis slamming on the low end of a piano
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>>61537519

Would still sound less disgusting than hammerklavier.
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>>61537587
>implying the sound of bartoks 9 inch jumbo hungarian penis slamming on the low end of a piano is a bad thing
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Bump
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>>61531079
Who are the first, third, fourth, sixth and eighth guys on the bottom row
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>>61538341
enesco, ravel, martinu, janacek, britten
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>>61538341
4th is martinu
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>>61538393
Szymanowski not Ravel
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>>61538440
right

should have guessed with the inclusion of britten and janacek. ephebophiles or bust amirite (although britten liked em younger i guess)
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Ravel is my favourite composer. Who else should I listen to?
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>>61534953
>>61535206
>>61535219
Though the whole Schoenberg gimmick is about arranging all 12 notes in random ways. Doesn't work as string music. Something like Tristan und Isolde's chromaticism is based.

Death metal has the harsh timbre to make good use of controlled anarchy and harsh chromaticism.
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>>61538508
Nothing about it is random though you moron and if you had studied Schoenberg's music at all you would see that he doesn't even completely adhere to the rules that the twelve tone technique implements. You can see prominent examples of this in his wonderful violin concerto.

You're talking an awful lot like someone who can't read music/understand theory.
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>>61533944
>not listening to metal
good job at missing so much god-tier music
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>>61538686
Even if I was musically illiterate like you say, it only takes a brief listen to realize that some things are avant garde just for its sake.
He's unlistenable crap, and any music which requires you to fucking study dodecaphony or whatever in order to "appreciate" it is fucking garbage.

Music is for your ears. If it sounds good, then you can derive further pleasure from analyzing it.

Someone like Scott Walker is infinitely more enjoyable than Schoenberg.
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>>61538876
>cites Scott Walker
>in spite of Schoenberg being one of Walker's favorite composers and greatest influences
Lel
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>>61538876
>He's unlistenable crap, and any music which requires you to fucking study dodecaphony or whatever in order to "appreciate" it is fucking garbage.
But you don't need to. Fuck, I know more than a few people here who don't know shit about theory, and they like Schoenberg. Because he's good music.

He isn't anything like what you say he is. His music was a logical progression from the strides that Wagner, Beethoven, Mahler, and especially Brahms had made in the years before him. He's far closer to being a romantic than to being avant garde, One listen to Verklärte Nacht or Gurre-lieder and you can instantly realize how deep his roots were in that.
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>>61538933
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Is there a scientific reason for why Wagner's music is so shit?

Also rip Boulez
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>>61529266
mega pleb
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>>61539104
>says rip boulez and insults his favorite composer in the same breath
wow
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>>61539003
Wtf this is Schoenberg? It's beautiful. Thanks anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pVz2LTakM

When did he fuck himself over with the 12tone? I distinctly remember listening to his compositions and they were utter random shite.
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>>61539125
I didn't say I liked Boulez's music senpai. I like his conducting somewhat and thought it was sad that he died.

Now answer my question
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>>61539129
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuP0SExoojQ
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>>61539158
what dont you like about it m8
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>>61539211
It's boring, monotonous and over dull music. When you've heard 10 minutes of a Wagner piece, you've heard the entire 2 - 4 hours. I don't understand why people like him so much.

The same problem applies to Mahler and Shostakovich.
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>>61539181
>that starting rhythm
>cringeworthy narration kicks in

ffs m80...
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>>61539320
Why don't you listen to what he's saying. He's the only narrator who actually sounds like he's into the role he's playing.
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>>61539352
His tone, the way he talks, just makes me cringe. Doesn't matter the content.

Imagine Lil Wayne rapping Dante. Kinda an approximation.
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sprechgesang is the absolute best
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>>61539424
Well that's probably the most emotion you're going to get out of a narrator in this piece.

>>61539429
That Schoenberg piece is the only Sprechgesang piece I know honestly. Rec me something
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>>61539281
You dislike Wagner, Shostakovich & Mahler...

...could it possibly be that he problem lies with you?
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>>61539281
well, that's not true. the themes/leitmotifs set up in Das Rheingold are built and expanded upon throughout the rest of the three operas and there's endlessly interesting counter point to be found there, not to mention various other leitmotifs being set up throughout the rest of the operas. the way that they interact and interchange with one another--especially in Gotterdammerung, makes the entire ride utterly worth it.

most people play Wagner really badly. overly grandiose, slow, dull. the bad static acting present in a great deal of recordings makes things worse. it makes the experience seem homogeneous, as you're saying, rather than something that's really quite organic like the Ring can be (not to mention the utter romp that Tristan und Isolde is).

honestly if you listen to a recording that is played fast, has convincing acting, and excellent diction, then it's really quite enjoyable in my opinion.

when i started with Wagner my first recording was Levine's i think, and i thought it was garbage at first.


i wouldn't really say that a similar problem occurs in Mahler though, if anything i think that many of his symphonies sound very different from one another. i mean, you listen to the 4th symphony and then the 9th and then the 1stand you think each one is written by a different composer.

there's the superficial similarities that are present--the length of his symphonies are usually pretty similar. and perhaps the bombast that usually accompanies his later works like the 6th and 8th, but other than that they usually tend to vary greatly in terms of their overall output.
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>>61539352
Much as I like Schoenberg that is comically awful. Some ridiculous actor hamming it up over such a serious subject. Cringy is exactly what I would call it. At least this Ode to Napoleon is a little more light-hearted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZdsOHRDMEA
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>>61539475
ode to napoleon is in the same style, as in that the notes aren't notated explicitly but the relations between them and the articulations are. that makes it a lot easier for the speaker than earlier works like pierrot (also sprechgesang, but all of it notated this time).

best performance is gould with the juilliard IMO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lazYoLQpJM0
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>>61539548
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=510IOC15iIM

i really like this one. granted its with an orchestra rather than a quartet, but Harrell and Steuermann put in a great performance imo
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>>61539615
>rodzinski
>steuermann
sounds great, will watch
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>>61539532
I must have listened to Tristan und Isolde a thousand times and not enjoyed one of them.

Please link me one of the "interesting" recordings you speak of.
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>>61529207
Because I've been trying to find out what recording this is from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROAjbAcD5_s
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>>61539759
you have to listen to historical memes to get good Wagner. no one has really sung it properly and very good since perhaps the 60s. the 70s and 80s have some good singers still, but not as good as the previous generations. and these days you can barely find a singer worth his own salt able to even sing a Tristan properly.

my favorite recording of Tristan is probably this one:
http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3354929

GOAT singers. fairly good conducting, a bit slower than i would like but still pretty good and faster than most.

the utter delirium in Act 3 from Lorenz's Tristan is unmatched by any other singer
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>>61529207
guys what is some music i can fall into dreams (sleep) with?
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>>61538508
Dodecaphonic rows are not random. Especially in the case of Webern. Schoenberg/the second Viennese school are all about harsh timbres. Sul ponticello, flutter tongue, and sprechgesang are all different extended timbral techniques that Schoenberg and other composers use extensively. There are many ways of achieving a harsh, distorted string sound without copious gain. Over pressure and tremolos and muted strings are not unique to death metal.
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>>61538876
if you think Schoenberg is particularly avant-garde you're in for a wild ride
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>>61539615
really good voice work although i think i prefer the original arrangement for string quartet
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>>61540261
yeah me too. great acting and diction from Harrell though.
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>>61540261
either way, back to boulez

anthèmes 1
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>>61538498

Mahler all day, erry day.
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>>61538498
Debussy and Poulenc
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>>61539759
>I must have listened to Tristan und Isolde a thousand times and not enjoyed one of them.

you may as well give up. you don't like wagner, so what? why should anyone care exactly? go listen to something else.
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>>61540416
liking wagner is the only way you get into heaven though, his soul needs to be saved
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I'll just leave this here.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm-0XONJUTw
>when white people try jazz
baka this has no swing
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>>61540589
i don't think he's ready yet, give it time
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>>61536740
15 is very good. A case could be made that is his best symphony. All the ones you've listed are also very good though.
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>>61540592
very good but not as good as the heger :^)

and worse than the beecham/flagstad/melchior combo. too bad the latter still hasn't been reissued properly in decent sound
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The best way to 'into' Wagner would probably be Lohengrin. Very accesible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R11MF-CE2d0
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>>61540173
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>>61540173
just listen to anything conducted by knappertsbusch
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>>61540803
you'll get a rude awakening with some his spectacular climaxes
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>>61540817
im uncomfortable
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>>61540785
>memeclassical
>SHITTY memeclassical
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>>61540756
this is probably the raunchiest classical album cover ever, I love it
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>>61540703
I'm actually liking this so far
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>>61540859
I thought we could go one thread without some twat using the word meme.

If he wants to sleep through classical music then this is the ideal recording.
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>>61540879
I first got to know the Ring from those Swarowsky recordings... they're not bad at all, but since the Bohm Ring cycle has become my go-to set.
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>>61540879
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It is interesting how Birtwistle and Rihm, the only two composers of true merit following Boulez, sound so antiquated. Repons sounded like Andromeda, like some ultrafuture machinated civilization. Nobody else sounds like it because nobody can sound like it - no one is Boulez' equal.
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>>61540879
here's a Golovanov/Scriabin cover

>>61540929
yup. he's really really good. great winds especially, which you dont hear too often very well in those Bayreuth recordings due to the balance between the pit/singers usually obscuring a lot of the orchestral detail

honestly, it's one of the better conducted Wagner sets. the thing that really brings it down is some of the singing, but none of it is particularly bad, and it's much better than anything these days.

bohm is one of the better ones too, his tempi are swift. bit unfortunate about it being recorded late into Windgassen's career though (well, most of the singers in that set were starting to fade). he was never, ever a heldentenor. just a surrogate heldentenor, but he really benefits from a more youthful sounding voice, which you can hear in the earlier live bayreuth recordings.
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>>61541064
er, obviously i am initially referring to the Swarowsky set in the first part of that sentence.
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>>61541096
i understand. i'm glad i have that set, it was dirt cheap as well. will certainly listen to it again some time.
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>>61540994
is there a dvd please ?
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>>61541064
Scriabin shagged young girls and was a womanizer so I'd say that's appropriate.
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>>61541179
and sometimes he shagged and dumped the wrong girls

>Scriabin arrived in New York in 1906, having abandoned his wife in Russia, and was soon joined by his mistress. But he discovered that his amorous wrongdoings would have career repercussions, as Mrs. Scriabin certainly had her revenge. From 1906 to 1909, Vasily Safonoff, her husband’s former piano teacher and a good friend of hers, conducted the New York Philharmonic. Safonoff took her side and banned Scriabin’s works during his tenure, thus curtailing the composer’s success in America.
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>>61541064
I haven't really explored classical music, but now I'm wondering thanks to that album cover, is there any classical music that would make me feel sexy/slutty?
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>>61541018
birtwistle sounds dated because he is, not so sure about rihm.
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>>61541236
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O2pzNRb3oQ
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>>61541064
are cluytens wagner recordings from bayreuth (second half of the 1950s) worth getting? there's a nice little boxed-set out with lohengrin, tannhauser & meistersinger.
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>>61540703
This desu. Early good Wagner is the way to start. Lohengrin, Tannhäuser, and der fliegende Holländer are all great starting points.
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>>61541230
Looks like Scriab had the last laugh though because he's popular as fuck now.
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>>61531079
Fuck off poly
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>>61541289
i've only heard the tannhauser but i liked it. generally you cant really go too wrong with bayreuth during the 1950s though. the singing could be variable but it was always at least good, and most of the time it was very good. cluytens is a good conductor, i'd say it's worth grabbing.
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>>61541258
I mean they're both good but they're both far more conservative in style and in tone than Boulez, whose late works are as elucidating as Beethoven's late quartets.
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>>61541396
Poly (unfortunately) likes Prokofiev, he'd never call it avant-teen.
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>>61541421
cheers
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>>61534841
serves you right for being an idiot
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How long until the 3B's become Berg, Boulez, and Birtwistle anyways?
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>>61541289
He's kind of a drag and with not very notable singers for the most part.
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Am I the only one disappointed by this?
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>>61541540
How so? What were you expecting?
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>>61541462
plus, that image is too clever for poly anyway
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>>61541500
hmm... ok. from what i've heard, i really like cluytens (beethoven cycle & ravel piano concertos with francois) but i'll sample his wagner recordings first.
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>>61541500
the tannhauser i heard on orfeo had a pretty good cast
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>>61541500
>and with not very notable singers for the most part.

Künstler: Kieth Engen, Sandor Konya, Leonie Rysanek, Astrid Varnay, Orchester der Bayreuther Festspiele (Lohengrin / 1958), Josef Greindl, Wolfgang Windgassen, Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, Gre Brouwenstijn, Orchester der Bayreuther Festspiele (Tannhäuser / 1955), Gustav Neidlinger, Josef Greindl, Fritz Uhl, Elisabeth Grümmer, Orchester der Bayreuther Festspiele (Meistersinger / 1957)
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>>61539532
What's your favorite Ring recording?
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>>61541626
yeah, none of those are bad at all and many of them are big names
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>>61541561
I guess just he would bear his influences in a less obnoxious, more mature kind of way. A lot of the noise and drone pieces and even most of the ambient passages just sound incredibly elementary and FL Studio level. There's no real focus I see any of the pieces arriving at. It sounds like some kind of rehearsal session.
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>>61541425
rihm also shows far more range than boulez though
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>>61541661
I mean were you expecting something like true classical music? He's a student of Zorn, not Berio. It's practically more Jazz than classical.
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>>61541653
Yes there are some big names but they don't really turn in performances of note with Cluytens.
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>>61541497
Berg, Boulez and Berio*
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>>61541780
boulez, barter and benakis*
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>>61541273
maybe I have listen to it in a different mood, but this isn't really working that way for me, nice piece of music though.
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>>61541710
>I mean were you expecting something like true classical music?
By no means. I listen to a lot more drone and noise than classical and I guess was just disappointed by how it translates to a classical medium is all. I mean, he counts Glenn Branca and Rhys Chatham among his influences while a piece like The Soul is the Arena is note taken straight from Dimensions of Time & Silence and it's so passé and cheap sounding. The metal and rock tags got my hopes up as well.
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>>61541854
IDK man I think it's a very good and interesting mix of jazz, noise, and classical music.
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>>61541367
Looks kinda like a young Lenin in this picture
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>>61541651
i dont really have one i guess, too many of them have elements that the others lack. it will never be performed perfectly.

the most consistent one is perhaps Janowski's. he has good stereo sound and a natural acoustic. tempi are well paced. not as fast as i'd like though. singers are all 'good', but they don't really rise to any extreme heights, but there are a few good highlights. consistency counts for a lot in the Ring though, so it's a very good set.

but, really, my absolute favorites are individual picks, like the 1952 Keilberth Gotterdammerung, or the Elmendorff, or the Furtwangler.

and some of my would-be favorites are in god awful sound

seriously this fucking shit (pic related) makes me so sad. you can hear fantastic conducting and singing, but the thing has been denoised to shit, there are pitch problems fucking everywhere, and the original recording probably didnt sound that great anyway.

there are a lot of great underdog rings though like the Moralt set. impossible for me to get satisfied with just one set, however.
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>>61542014
best Brunhilde, by the way.
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>>61542071
She looks like a dom
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>>61542150
she scolds siegfried to his doom
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>>61542014
I like Solti :^)
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>>61542247
oh yeah he's the best :^)
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>>61542247
Man Solti usually has a pretty good cast with him from what stuff from him I listened to.
Shame he isn't a very good conductor.
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>>61542477
good sound quality as well. but indeed, a comple hack conductor.
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>>61542506
Why does everyone praise him?
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>>61542530
i think he just came at the right time. golden age of recording etc. great sounding decca albums, all the standard repertoire and of course well promoted.. he was decca's big star.
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>>61542477
im somewhat convinced he wasn't entirely to blame for the overblown recording that is the Culshaw ring.

Culshaw is on the far side of the interventionist type of audio engineering and it was very much his baby, i think he had more than a few says in regards to the balancing and dynamics of that recording

but who knows?

some other conductors were considered... including Monteux. he didn't get the job because Culshaw said he was too old. but man. Monteux is really, really good at Wagner. a shame it never was.
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>>61542477
He's decent at Bartok.
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>>61542610
it's not just the ring solti ruined with his overblown & sloppy conducting style though,.
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>>61542697
yeah, true.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3FJxDsa-5k

Is there a starter pack for this kind of stuff? I really like choirs and chants.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysObwV48C4Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvZ6BlCYjzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pVz2LTakM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS82nF85_gA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9WcuM3pfQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k7EXNZqIUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHG3FCAM1-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6qoqlvtN4E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXJWHG_6KAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn8iI7Qdo0U

right in the feels :(
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>>61542763
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>>61529266
get rid of your record player and join the 21st century
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>>61543004
yeah, that way you can listen to analog music the way it was always meant to be listened (in glorious pitch corrected, declicked and mostly unfiltered digital transfers)
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Can you guys recommend a good book on the history of music that can double as an introduction on the history of musical aesthetic theory (in the broad sense) as well?

I want to read up on this because I have a question about the relationship between vanguards and technology. Like, of course, amongst the greats (Bach, Bethoven, Mozart, whatever) there were probably those more conservative and those more willing to push the limits of their respectives mediums. In purely abstract musical terms, no problem, but to push the limits of the instruments in a physical sense, in technological terms was impossible. They were constrained in the sense that, although innovations were incorporated along the years to the format of orchestra, in general terms it remained the same and these geniuses were constrained in physical terms because of the technological impossibility of creating more sounds. What if these guys would have had access to all the possibilities we have now with computers? What kind of music would they be doing?

Of course there were innovations along the years to perfect the instruments but classical music seems remain stuck to its XIXth century imagining, which of course achieved the highest and greatest things in music admittedly, no doubt about that but now it seems a really conservative genre that wants to just keep alive the XIXth century imagining of musical aesthetics.
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>>61542778
the ones i listened to were pretty bad desu
maybe i dont like this music
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>>61543370
>because of the technological impossibility of creating more sounds.
dunno mang they were pretty up to date when it comes to new instrument creation even in the days. beethoven's 5th is basically the first symphony with trombone in it, people like mozart were relatively quick to switch from harpsichords to fortepianos, wagner asked adolphe sax to create 'wagner tubas' etc . . .

also note how composers pushed the limits of instruments themselves constantly. take string instruments, between the expected 'legato', the 'pizzicatos' (and there's various types of it), and the 'sul ponticello' playing, there's tons of room for experimentation and for extending the palette of sounds available to the composer.

and nowadays composers definitely aren't shy about using electronics and whatnot. it's also a bit misleading to think that the invention of electronic music is really all that different than the invention of whatever other instruments. try to recreate the sound of a piano from scratch and you'll see what i mean. Yes, you can in theory recreate any sound whatsoever electronically but in practice, it's a bit different.
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Can somebody recommend me a good album of some of Debussy's compositions? Any thoughts on pic-related?
I'd usually just use RYM, but it's pretty shit for classical music. Thanks in advance.
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>>61543751
gieseking is good but my favorites are rather michelangeli and esp. paul jacobs. special mention to zimerman who's also great, and février for another interesting take.

you're not going too wrong with gieseking though.
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>>61543830
i feel like i'm forgetting another great french debussy pianist in that list hrm
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>>61543830
samson françois
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So who will be the next big death in classical music?
I vote Harnoncourt and Argerich personally.
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>>61544589
pls no harnoncourt

i still want his wozzeck :^(
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>>61544836
Too bad he's retired now.
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>>61544836
hes done conducting m8

hes retired
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>>61544858
>>61544849
he can unretire m7s

after he hits that youth fountain
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>>61535398
anything by iannis xenakis.
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>inb4 every composer writes a boulez tribute piece using integral serialism
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>>61539281
pretty sure you don't like classical or you dont have the attention span mate.
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>>61545228
>inb4 every composer writes a boulez tribute piece in the style of shostakovich
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>>61545284
>not in the style of sibelius
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>>61545284
even better. or tchaikovsky.
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>in music history class
>teacher (TA) discussing research project for semester
>"any person, movement, piece, etc. from 1750-present in the western art music tradition."
>student raises their hand
>"what's art music?"
>TA then gives vague non-answer and instead says that things like Jazz would qualify as art music
>student again:
>"so basically we could do an album review"
>TA doesn't really shoot them down, says they could for something like Kind of Blue
>another student:
>"Oh so then we could like concept albums from the 80's and 90's?"
>teacher approves

>"any person, movement, piece, etc. from 1750-present in the western art music tradition."

>mfw this is supposedly a top25 music university
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http://soundcheck.wnyc.org/story/10-great-works-20th-century-pierre-boulezs-90th-birthday/
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>>61545744
Mahler 6 is an interesting choice as is his choice for Schoenberg, but I still need to finish reading the paragraphs. Good list though. Unsurprisingly.
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>>61545872
his mahler 6 is pretty famous though, probably the most famous of his set. different approach than most conductors

>berio sinfonia
damn i keep forgetting about that work although i love it to bits. the boulez is also clearly the best recording around too, because the text is rightfully at the forefront compared to the others that i've heard
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Okay I am just dipping my toes in classical music and I fell in love with new world by Dvorak

I need the most intense classical compositions, stuff that can be interpreted as a final boss battle
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>>61533083
This is fucking great m8. This Boulez, seems like a p.cool guy.
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zzz
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>>61544874
At almost 90 I doubt he will.
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>>61545629
I mean to be fair, I don't think "western art music" is a very good descriptor.
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>>61535414
lmao
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>>61532931
Barraque - Piano Sonata

Extremely expressive even if you don't care for serialism.
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>>61532931
Probably Debussy's La Mer
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>>61546034
got you senpai, here's some of my favorite, more intense stuff

>Shostakovich's 10th Symphony (especially the 2nd movement)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAL50lkWI8g

>Sergei Prokofiev - Battle on the Ice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyDKezDLGTM

>Frank Ticheli - Angels in the Architecture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVW_GQFGQUs

>Modest Mussorgsky - Night on Bald Mountain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCEDfZgDPS8

>Sergei Prokofiev - Suggestion Diabolique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4JDGyPG-7M
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>>61531079
Who is top fourth and far right?

Who are the entire bottom row
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>cool melody appears out of nowhere in my head
>go to jot it down
>imagining it played by some specific brass instrument, no idea which
>start skipping through Young Person's Guide to the Orchestra hoping to figure it out
>no luck
>go back to jot it down
>all I remember are a few details about how the melody is structured
>realize now that the instrument I was thinking of was the euphonium
sasuga me
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>>61549383
schoenberg bartok stravinsky prokofiev debussy ligeti varèse

enescu nielsen szymanowski martinu delius janacek part britten
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How is Boulez's Mahler?
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>>61550326
Good but stay away from the Dg recordings. There's a few live ones on rutracker
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>>61546034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1j_K752Wac
enjoy

>>61549443
You gotta capture the notes before worrying about instrumentation. The melody is a hundred times more important than the instrument its played on, so write it down first. you can decide on a specific instrument later.

>>61545629
Art music has to be written by a trained composer, and primarily stored in a written score. Jazz usually doesn't count (unless its all scored out). "Albums" aren't the same as a written score, from which recordings and performances can be generated. That's the main definition of art music.

>>61548208
It fits better than most other descriptors. Its an art form, the majority of what we listen to is western (How many of you listen to gagaku or Chinese opera?) and its music.

People who get pissy about the definition of "art" must have missed the part where Duchamp signed a urinal and the word lost its meaning. "art music" doesn't imply that all other music isn't "art" its just a label for the highest tier of composition in music. All music is technically "art" ,but post post-modernism, the word has lost its meaning
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>turn off staff lines
>obtain minimap mode
How have I not realised this before.
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>>61550992
What program is that?
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>>61552033
GNU/Lilypond
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Tfw you'll never be able to hear Furtwängler in good quality. Such a pepe doesn't even exist.
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>>61552624
what about wagpepener?
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>>61552797
what about le chopin banane?
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>boulez dies
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>>61538876
>Scott Walker
Didn't he run for president?
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>>61540218
Ok I need some examples of classical death metal then m8
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>>61552819
what is this
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>>61553289
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89zSiD72sgI
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>>61550460
You're wrong about melody. Great Composers write melody while thinking about sound, register, color of certain notes in certain registers, possible articulations etc. So the instrument is very important
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is this the best recording of Requiem?
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"Just fuck your shit up desu senpai"
- Igor Stravinsky
Why aren't you listening to Stravinsky right now?
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>>61554285
No, Bohm for old school or Gardiner for more modern are better choices.
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>>61554338
this?
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/wolfgang_amadeus_mozart/requiem__kyrie_kv_341/
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>>61554338
>bohm
>Gardiner
https://rbt.asia/mu/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=fuck+off+poly
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>>61554383
Yes or Marriner too
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>>61554334
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>>61554666
confirmed for satan
does this mean schoenberg was modernist jesus
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What's a good performance of Boulez's sonatas? How's Helffer?
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>>61530974
Ayy lmao
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>>61554473
just finished with Gardiner
8/10 pretty dope
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Well, I tried listening to Boulez this morning, and I did not like it.

What piece should I listen to?
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>puts Verklarte Nacht on a loop
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>>61555830
Biret. Helffer is ok, a little too overly dynamic and dramatic.
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>>61556456
Le Marteau Sans Maître
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>>61548291
seconded
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>>61554140
Great composers also very rarely restrict one melody to one instrument. Of course they hear everything, but the instrumentation details will usually be secondary to the actual notes, unless we're talking sonorism / spectralism
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thoughts on this?
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>>61559630
its probably good
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>>61559583
Poly why do you turn your trip on and off I enjoy memeing you
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Anyone recognise this? Can't for the life of me think what it is
http://vocaroo.com/i/s06I6q4aPJhd
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>>61562527
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s06I6q4aPJhd
sounds scriabinesque
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Book 1 or 2 of the WTC?
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>>61564834
Both
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>>61559630
>dat waltz no. 2
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>>61555248
Yes, Stravinsky, Like Satan started good but corrupted an entire generation

Schoenberg was crucified by the public, same with Jesus, but his message spread like wildfire
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Bump
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>>61538498
Debussy
Poulenc
Rautavaara
Faure
Satie
Ireland
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I really, really, really like Rautavaara
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>>61567969
How couldn't anyone?
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I really like Dvorak's 7th and 9th.
Where should I go next?

Total pleb question I know
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>>61568416
His tone poems
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>>61530321
hey im new to this board, why is each song like 300mb?
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>>61568416
The string quartets.
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>>61568483
>>61568493
But in terms of other composers?
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>>61568491
They are RAR files containing usually several pieces and their respective movements.
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>>61568560
Ah I see. What files would be recommendable for a noob like me?
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>>61568846
Well, what are you looking for? There's a shitton of recordings, so unless you want to hear someone like Alkan, it's probably there.
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>>61569069
I dont know, I guess im looking for a taste of it, nothing in particular
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>>61569171
sry im high that made no sense. I mean like just find out about classical music, I know little to nothing about it. One thing that would be dope is stuff like greensleeves I love that
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>>61569204
Downloading one of those folders may be a little overwhelming, why don't you try listening to the following links and tell me what you like? These are very "entry level" pieces IMO

Beethoven:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4IRMYuE1hI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqvBJc9IovI

Chopin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBA-38mzabs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E6b3swbnWg

Mozart:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l45DAuXYSIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vDxlnJVvW8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGldgW6mDnY (Not entry level at all, but I like it. You don't need to listen to all of it to get a taste)

Bach:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjlsyYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCicM6i59_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KQW2YnCUrE

This isn't that thorough, but should give you some idea of classical music.
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>>61569204
Listen to Mozart.
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mozart sounds like beige looks
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>>61569401
for you
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>>61569364
thanks man I didnt expect such nice responses here. ill listen to these while falling asleep, tomorrow ill tell you what i liked.
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>>61568513
Smetana - Ma Vlast
Tchaikovsky - Symphonies
Sibelius - Symphonies and tone poems
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>>61568513
you don't need other composers
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>>61569463
Alright, I'll be here. I hope you enjoy them!
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other anime are you even trying
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>>61569495
Who's the russian one?
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In between Purcell and Elgar, what happened to English Classical Music? Are there any composers between those two that are worth listening to, or were English composers just not worth listening to in between 1700 to 1870-ish?
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>>61569505
Shostakovich
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>>61569495
It's not always good. I read this visual novel once that had a bunch of classical music in it
...Which was awfully rearranged/remixed in horrible reverb-y shit.
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>>61569538
Bet you didn't know the menu music was actually the bass line of the D major orchestral air did you now.
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>>61569508
Thomas Arne and William Boyce are probably the most popular proper composers from the 18th century, not terribly popular but still known
Broadside ballads were very popular in the 1700s, they're more like folk music, but ballad operas emerged out of these. Think light opera. It's pretty good, though, give this a listen when you have the time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzMHgZVu1gM

As for the 19th century, if you're willing to count the Irish, you have John Field, Michael William Balfe, and William Vincent Wallace
And of course, Arthur Sullivan was pretty successful as well and completely English on top of that. On the whole, I think they just couldn't garner enough interest or patronage to stand up to the continentals.

tl;dr - 18th century english music was too folky to survive and the 19th century was too german
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>>61569813
Wow, really? I could have never guessed :^)
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>>61568416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVKb3DwPFA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6B5HNEHTKg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxtAHpYIXdU
Try the other Czechs too;. Janacek, Martinů, Smetana.
There's more in the Czech appreciation section of the pastebin
http://pastebin.com/UNJrrcaC

>>61561685
I haven't even been posting. Busy doing things outside 4chan.
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>>61569495
Pity LOTGH is so mediocre. I end up just fast forward to the space battles for some action.
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>>61570609
>LOTGH is so mediocre
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>>61569495
G2bed Richard
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