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Why doesn't Roland, Yamaha, Korg, ect reproduce classic synths with true ceramic electronics instead of just putting out shitty emulators.
I mean I can go out right now and buy a brand new 2015 (2016 is not out yet) Gibson Custom shop 1957 Les Paul, that will be almost exactly like one that came out of the factory almost 60 years ago.
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Because some of those parts aren't accessible/cheap anymore
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Guitar tech is very primitive compared to synth tech.
>>61502440
This guy nailed it.
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>>61501810
but they do put out hardware versions of older stuff... If they were to put out exact replications with the same kind of caps and all it would cost a ton. having like 3 expensive bits in the wiring of a LP is not a big deal by comparison
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>>61501810
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>>61502675
just two examples
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>>61501810
There isn't necessarily the market for them to do this at a reasonable cost and still make a profit.
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>>61502654
the guitars are as different to the old ones as the modern synths are. Pickups are different, you can not use the same wood because muh rainforest etc.
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>>61502739
>he fell for the tonewood meme
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>>61502764
>he fell for the "ceramic electronics" meme.
What ever that means.
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>>61502739
i know but from a price point making an accurate old synth these days would cost a lot. look at that stupid moog system 15 thats like 10K. not to mention some old electronics have mercury canisters in them and that shit just wouldnt fly these days
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MY BEST FRIEND"S A BUTCHER HE HAS SIXTEEN KNIVEEEES
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>>61502811
a moog system was way more expensive back then than 10k today
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>>61502859
its not one of those huge ones
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>>61502811
Moog could have made it cheaper if they used SMD like >>61502705 and >>61502675, the reason they did it discrete was for replica purposes. Also even at 10k it's still cheaper than it was in the 60s.
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>>61501810

>serious discussion about technical hardware on /mu/

You'd be better off going to Reddit. That isn't an insult.
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>>61502894
>if they used SMD
i agree. im just saying people often dont make things 100% accurate simply because the average person would rather pay a few hundred for a close replica over a ton for an exact one
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>>61502898
/r/synths is pretty crap tb h. if you want to sperg about capacitors then gearslutz is probaly the place to do it.
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>>61503005
muffwiggler is the place to go. It's Gearslutz for synths.
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>>61502796
ceramic electronics

The biggest cost I can see to building a classic synth is training a chinese factory worker to solder again.
hardly sounds like it could come close to the cost of a 9lb chunk of maple for a guitar body
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I've looked into modern renditions of classics synths. The short answer is that its out there, if you're willing to put in time and money. The more popular analogue synths are often sold as DIY kits that you can build, or buy pre built for even more money. Not all the parts are exact, but they're close. So they're our there, they just cost a lot and are made by third parties.

Modular equipment (the ones that go in racks) is easier to find. The synths that included a keyboard are much harder. Hardly anyone will remake it with the board because midi controllers are so popular now, so people often clone and sell them are modular synths that require an external midi keyboard and conversion equipment (DAC).

You'd be better off trying to find a used one honestly, The market just isn't big enough for people to bother making them. If you're open to DIY, most of the diagrams of the electronics are available online, although many of the chips and components they use are no longer available
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>>61503005
>>61503032
>sperg about capacitors
>gearslutz
>muffwiggler

these are really german shiza porn sites right?
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could you make your own synth?
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>>61503163
Does german Kackeporno even exist? I never saw one, only american ones.
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>>61503189
Yes. Parts availability and quality control may be not so good but is doable.
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>>61503047
>You'd be better off trying to find a used one honestly
it will be out of tune, have scratchy knobs and so on. But that is what makes it sound le vintage i guess.
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>>61503189
yep pic related and Aphex Twin both have
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>>61503047
>If you're open to DIY, most of the diagrams of the electronics are available online

just for something to do over the winter break I built a few guitar stomp boxes, price wise I would have been better off going out and buying the thing. Oddly enough building 1, its better off to buy it, building 20+ costs about the same as buying 2.
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>>61503189
Yeah, however, it takes a shit load of research to do something custom unless you're an electric engineer. If you're using a very specific guide or kit, you'll be ok as long as you can solder. I did both, a custom and a kit. The custom was actually cheaper, but it took months just to make a very basic one. The kit took an afternoon and works and sounds great. It's a combination of a digital and analog synth that is built around a special arduous chip.

tl;dr buy a kit
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>>61503291
I mean why else would you want an analog synth

>inb4 "but the warmth"
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>>61503430
turning knobs is fun
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>>61503514
But digital synths can be knobby too, senpai
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>>61503163
yes. never go to muffwiggler
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>>61503568
never go to /mu/ for music
never go to gearslutz for studio stuff
never go to muffwiggler for synths
never go to /pol/ for politics
just move in between
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>>61503609
>never go to muffwiggler for synths
just cats
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>>61503542
I like analog better but it's cool how most digital synths can save patches
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>>61503666
plenty of analog signal path synths can also save patches
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>>61503735
I've only seen "virtual analog synths" that can

whatever THAT means
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>>61501810
Any Gibson guitar made today is definitely not almost exactly like one that came out of the factory 60 years ago. Mass producing guitars on that scale definitely reduces the quality, just because it's difficult to do quality control on that massive scale.

If you want a synth with ceramic capacitors then just build one yourself.
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How hard would it have been to just make an 808?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-XEA0zqo8M
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>>61503830
basically means it emulates what made analog synths sound unique (i.e. osc drifting or certain filter characteristics etc)

usually never ends up being convincing enough to sound like an actual analog synth which is why virtual analogs get shit on by purists so often.
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>>61503830
no plenty of analog signal path synths can do it. something like the bass station ii. the osc, filter, amp etc are analog but its all digitally controlled. its not uncommon.
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>>61503830
>I've only seen "virtual analog synths" that can
Juno 60
Jupiter 8
Prophet 5
Polysix
OB-8
A few analog synths off the top of my head that can.
>>61503878
There is a guy in Germany who makes 808 clones. Roland could have done it, but their intent wasn't to make an 808 clone.
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>>61503921
Youre a synth
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>>61503878
bad because we are all used to hearing treated and/or modified 808s
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>>61503950
nice!
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>>61504019
;^)

You can be my synth Baby oooo oooo Synth yea just two synths forever a hundred times you and me synths
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>>61503971
this. The TR8 sounds like a 808 with eq and compression
I also looks like shit
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>>61501810
because it's generally not worth it from a monetary standpoint
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>>61503831
A Heritage is basically the same though. They're even better than Gibson custom shops as well
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>>61502644
FPGA/programmable logic could solve that but purist nerds would whine about it
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