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There is unironically no /prod/ thread at this moment
I don't even go on /mu/ that much anymore but this triggers me

/prod/ - DX7 edition
come at me fgts
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>>61490259
Why would you use a DX7? FM sythesis meme-status
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what's the best starting tutorial for ableton?
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currently rocking a novation launchkey and mpd32 with ableton suite. still geting accustomed to it but i really enjoy the flexibility it gives you
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>>61490302
subtractive synths are BARELY even synthesisers anon
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>>61490302
it was cheap and sounds better, is better built, and offers pure synthesis
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what do you think
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>>61490526
i have a Kurzweil K2500s (400€) and a DX7 IIFD (300€)
imo it's all the synths i'll ever need
next purchase will be a sampler or a sequencer of some kind
recommendations for these would be welcome
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I want to buy A hardware drum-machine that is capable of sampling and full compositions. Would the Elektron RYTM be good for this? Ideally I would want to get an MPC but the renaissance would be my only option and I don't want to need be tied to a computer.

Is the Elektron RYTM similar to the older generations of MPCs in-terms of usage?
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>>61490585
it sure is a screenshot
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>>61490996
>the renaissance would be my only option
why?
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>>61490996
>Elektron RYTM similar to the older generations of MPCs in-terms of usage?

nothing like MPC's aside from the pads and the fact that it is a sampler. better than MPC's imo though

> renaissance
nah

also look into korg electribes and the roland SP machines
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>>61490585
Looks like it could be a song, but I can't hear anything from that screenshot.
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>>61491097
>roland SP machines
mandatory anti 404 recommendation

will explain why if needed
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>>61491225
sp404's can be fun if you're wanting a more MPC performance style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2neMRqYkw_s
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Guys I have a problem in ableton where when I press a pad or key sometimes it'll play the sample twice. Any way to fix this
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>>61490494
tripfag don't know shit like usual
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>>61491338
sometimes this happens to me on some controllers and sometimes it's because I have sync and remote turned on on that controller
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>>61491265
i know, i have a 404

performance and live fx stuff is the only area where it really excels in my opinion
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>>61491420
if you're gonna get an MPC type thing you're getting it for performance
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>>61491407
Shiet, what do I do?
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>>61491097
Better in what way?

>>61491225
i'm interested in hearing why you're against the 404
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>>61491461
wew

turn sync and remote and all those port channels off and if that doesnt work turn them on again
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>>61491501
deeper sound manipulation than an MPC can offer, muh analogue tone and muh step sequencer
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>>61491461
kek
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might end up making the switch to renoise
does anyone have any experience using renoise, specifically using it as a vst host
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anyone else max or pure data?
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>>61490526
>is better built

i bought one for a day and it didnt even survive the journey home without buttons falling out
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>>61491610
I don't have the full version of max

im waiting until I know what im doing with making max4live devices
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>>61491610
I've looked at a few patches a friend made in max but desu the program goes over my head

I'm on linux now so max isn't an option. what's an incentive to start messing around in pure data?
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>>61491677
tfw macfag and max4live broke with OS update

never made a patch with it though
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>>61491699
>desu
the fuck is this
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>>61491726
I use windows and I feel sorry for mac users at the moment

I use ableton and Cubase and both of those daws have had problems with the new update

>>61491727
word filter I think t-b-h
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>>61490316
taking the demo and turning it into a beat you would make.
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>>61491727
How is your first day on /mu/?
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>>61492040
didn't know that we have new filters
my first day is good
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>>61491442
mpc's are still more capable than 404's in terms of workflow
>>61491501
i traded my korg microsampler for one (thankfully i was able to get another microsampler this christmas that just passed) and it was a big step down in terms of workflow for sample editing and shit.

you can sample at a specified tempo, but not resample at one. so when you're resampling or sampling at a non-specified tempo it will display a whole number as the tempo but there is actually a decimal point you can't see, so loops that say they're the same tempo can go out of sync. you can't record a new sample while another sample is playing (no playing a synth or whatever over a sample and recording it onto a pad). you can only resample up to 4 samples at once, 2 if they're in stereo, and you can't resample a recorded pattern, only playing in real time. the start and endpoint knobs only do fine adjustments of like 100ms, other than that you have to play the sample through and hit the marker button to mark start and end points or exit and re-enter the start/end point menu to keep using the knobs to take off another 100ms. there's also no sampling across multiple pads or dividing an existing sample across multiple pads, so you would have to do what i just mentioned with a longer sample you recorded unless you were going to stop the audio on whatever you were sampling from and restart it every time you recorded a new sample (also if you were to do this, it forgets the tempo you specified for each new sample). other than that, the pitch and timeshifting just never really sounded that great to me

there you go, that's my whole anti-404 speech
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>>61491660
wew
the only problem i had with mine was buttons being really fucking hard to press
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Why can't I arm/disarm in ableton? Like when I click the button it doesn't turn red it only gets darker
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Hey /prod/, is this decent?

http://www97.zippyshare.com/v/USlDerId/file.html

I am brand new to the world of recording and audio software (and songwriting... and harmonizing...), but I am trying to make good music with what little knowledge and resources I have.
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>>61492384
use clyp.it

nobody is going to go to zippyshare
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>>61492384
>>61492408
thanks for the heads up. here's a clyp.it version

https://clyp.it/2a2y3jw4
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Any tips for making ambient trap? how do you guys alter your hats? What does prod think about kontakt 5?
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>>61490585
>EQ between reverb and compressor
>Stay pleb
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My Casio CZ-1 is arriving in the mail on Thursday
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>>61492430
I think this is pretty nice sounding is that your voice

>>61492484

kontakt is top tier

I don't prefer it though

I like halion 5
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>>61492484
here's a pro tip: don't
make something that's not already overflowing with shit music
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>>61492614
Yeah that's me. Do you think I should start learning voice modifying stuff soon? Or should I focus on something else
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>>61492486
>second EQ at end
>how do i signal flow
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>>61492655
I am not sure what you should focus on

i try to structure my weekly routine on different thing per day because theres so much things to learn it can get overwhelming if you stress to much
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>>61492752
I've definitely felt overwhelmed. yeah, I guess any direction is a good one
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What's the best dx7 emulator vst if I want to make epic meme music?
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>>61492881
operator

or beatwife's FM-SEQTRA
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>>61492881
google "dx7 vst" u piece of shit
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>>61492692
Im just messing dawg
Do whatever crazy shit floats your boat
Good reasons exist to put EQs at all different parts of the chain

Why use the TB EQ btw?
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>>61492881
puredata :^)
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>>61492635
But why do you care what I make? I'm doing it for my own enjoyment, faggot. Get off your high horse..It's not my fault your shitty soundcloud goes unnoticed
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>>61492922
the tonebooster EQ is super transparent and i've used it forever
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>>61492962
because you got into production to be trendy, not to make good music
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Hi /prod/

/comp/ here, annexing this thread because i tired of threads dying after ten replies
What do you think of my twinkly math rock on GP6 /prod/?

https://clyp.it/l44qms5j
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>>61492962
sorry not trying to offend u dude
my point is try to be creative in a more original way, more people will notice u trust me
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>>61492980
Yeah... which is why I play multiple instruments and am in a band. You're retarded and probably really unpopular. Good luck with your shitty soundcloud lol
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>>61492962
i got into production to make trance music

don't listen to faggots who hate what you wanna do
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>>61493089
>all this projection
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>>61493009
>https://clyp.it/l44qms5j
this guitar is pretty rad breh
it doesn't sound real, is it a sequenced one or something?
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>>61493031
You're not offending me, I could care less... It's an anonymous image board, lol.

> more people will notice u trust me

I could give two shits about getting noticed. Is this why you create music? That's sad, but I wish you luck
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>>61493123
see
>>61492980
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>>61493174

Guitar pro 6 sound
Idk how it works to be honest
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>>61492922
>Why use the TB EQ btw?
because its cheap as fuck, TB are practically giving it away if you buy their bundle. Plus its really good.
Why wouldn't you use it unless you own FabProQ?
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>>61491610
Was waiting for someone to post a REAL music making environment. Looks wicked dude

Here's an ugly-ass PD sequencer I'm working on

>>61491699

Linux and PD is a match made in heaven, total open source freedom

Get pd-extended and start learning to make shit no other program can. VERY steep learning curve but it's so worth it. I'm just barely getting started but it's already more fun than the 10+ years I've spent making shit with ableton and the same old VSTs and samples.
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>>61494343
nice

here's my super basic sampling sequencer
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so here's the deal, i have an electric guitar and an amp, and i'm trying to do some post-rock kinda of thing by myself. Problem is the only mic i have is my notebook's mic, and it's shitty AF, so it doesn'r matter if i'm busting my damn amp out with some heavy shit, my mic will only capture my pick's sound, and will turne all of my work into some lame shit. I'm using audacity and would like to know if there's any way to improve what i recorded by mixing it. didn't found any better thread to ask this. pls help me
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>>61494607
buy one of those t.bone knockoff SM57 mics from thomann and a lexicon alpha interface.

there's literally no way to make a laptop microphone sound good.

unless maybe put your laptop in front of the guitar amp, but the pickup pattern of the mic will pick up all sorts.
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>>61494655
tks anon
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>>61493991
I can't notice a real difference between the Ableton stock EQ8 and any VST/AUs.
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>>61494749
ableton's EQ seems to create a lot of phasing when used heavily
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>>61494749
Have you tried the Fabfilter ProQ?

Although I've not used the ableton EQ i thought the same about the Logic EQ until I demo'd the fabfilter EQ
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>>61494749

There's a big difference in spatial depth in the attenuation of upper-mid frequencies compared to some of the pricier EQs like Waves API series. EQ8 can be very harsh on delicate audio like recorded vocals or acoustic instruments
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>>61494783
>>61494805
>>61494842
I'll demo FabFilter then. Appreciate the input.

Out of curiosity: how specifically does the Ableton EQ fall short, algorithmically?
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>>61494923
>I'll demo FabFilter then
Get your wallet ready anon
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>>61490316
reddit ableton
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>>61492881
FM7
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>>61494923

it's been a while since I read up on the details behind this. EQ8 should not produce more phasing than other EQs, all EQs phase shift, that's what EQing is. the only ones that don't are linear-phase or minimum-phase EQs (fabfilterQ has a special mode for this) but that produces a lot of latency, it's something you have to live with and you mitigate it by EQing less rather than more

EQ8 is a bog standard general-purpose paragraphic EQ, no bells or whistles, rest assured no one went in to make a spectacular product specialized at anything. paragraphic EQs of this kind tend to be quite 2-dimensional which becomes obvious out when you throw several instances of it at anything, especially delicate audio. this isn't about math but what you actually hear, provided you've got the ears for it, when you process a full mix consisting of many different details

passive EQs and non-paragraphic ones (think fewer sliders) tend to be more transparent, create subtle and musical harmonic distortion, or better at general attenuation, even when doing the god-forbidden boost. EQ8 can be good at surgical removal, however a lot of inexperienced producers don't do that, they throw a rollercoaster-curve at everything which creates phasing and a generally poor overall sound image. does it feel like the lows become well-rounded and tonal, subdued parts are more distant, that highs are sweetened? no, it just feels like a thin piece of plywood's been hacked at with a butcher's knife

I used to have comparison soundfiles between EQ8 and other EQs at the exact same settings, which convinced quite a lot of people around these parts. can't be arsed to do that again since I don't use ableton to the same extent anymore but it's not hard to A/B yourself, try to do a blind test to be sure

it's still a good EQ in right doses but you should familiarize yourself with a wide variety of EQs and try to hear out which one is best for what job. and don't be afraid to spend a bit of dosh
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>>61493009
Really nice guitar.
I really like the sound at 1 minute and 3 seconds.
Would love to hear a band cover this.

Reposting from the last thread https://clyp.it/cfww2024

Any tips for creating ambient music?
Must-listen-to artists/songs?
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>>61493009
what plugin did you use for the guitar?
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>>61495560
>the god-forbidden boost
watch more tutorials
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my cat named Eno is sleeping on my keyboard

should I move him or should I let him make a jam
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>>61496114

learn reading comprehension
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>>61495560
Very much appreciate it. I spent the last hour reading up on how EQs physically work on Synth Secrets (http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/allsynthsecrets.htm), which is an excellent resource to complement the post 5590 made.

Looking into EQs, will most likely buy one tonight.
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>>61496729
>>61495560
I meant "the post 5560 made"
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>>61496729
Work with the on board eq until you fully understand how to use an eq before you spend money, the differences are more subtile than most people think. Experiment with a tiny bit of saturation after the eq, This is what makes the biggest difference for most eqs that are modeled after hardware eqs.
sorry for my bad english.
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>>61490585
high pass everything. everything.
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How much would you charge to find some machinery noises and menu bleeps for a video game? Per sound, about 30 of them. I won't be the recording much, if anything. I have next to zero experience with SFX and I've only done one soundtrack (for the same guys), but they asked me to do this and it sounds fun. The music's gonna be something like 70€ per minute probably.
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Do people generally use an 808 kick for basslines when making dance music?
This shit perplexes me
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How does my popping track sound
First song I am happy with
Need to grab a mic to record vocals though

https://clyp.it/jf3rzoc1
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I'm eyeing the Korg MS-20 and it looks neat af, but I think the lack of polyphony would sting. Any recs for a polyphonic synth in or below that price range?
Ideally I'd like to make really vintage (60s/70s) sounds, but a VA could probably fool me.
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>>61497087
I really like it senpai, super interesting.
Mind if I attempt writing some bars to it? I probably won't end up with a full song but yeah
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>>61497209
Go ahead Gorilla-kun.
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>>61497107
Start with Volca keys until you know in which direction you want to go

Polyphonic analog synths are quite expensive
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puredata nerds, I wanna try your coolaid, should I download Pd extended, or vanilla?
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whats the best program for sampling other music and warping it? I've been really interested in doing it and am currently experimenting with audacity.
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>>61497851
Ableton Live
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>>61496927
10/10 tinny mixes.
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what's the difference between the electribe and the electribe sampler? seriously cannot make sense of it. the electribe has more waveforms, sure, but you can't load your own samples onto it? then why the fuck does it have an SD slot? can someone explain the diff?
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>>61497743

pd-extended is just like vanilla except it contains an extra bunch of community-made externals (pre-made objects that perform a function to save time), nothing that will make or break your career but it can be useful to throw in a few of them to save time or follow a particular tutorial. the most useful ones are things like [knob] (which creates an ableton-style graphical knob you can connect to anything) and [freeverb] (a basic reverb unit so you don't have to make your own from scratch right away).

the only drawback is that a tiny fraction of these objects are not 64-bit compatible (some obscure ones), and extended slightly lags behind the latest updates to the core vanilla. it's a small price to pay for the breadth of extra stuff that will help out a beginner

other than that it's just like vanilla and 100% compatible with it, you'll be using mostly vanilla objects for the most part, and will soon enough be making objects of your own that no one else has
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>>61498057
>what's the difference between the electribe and the electribe sampler?

literally googled that

literally answered in the first 3-4 results

literally saved someone a wall of text
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>>61492881
fm8 is actually just a better version of the dx7
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Guys, I want to get a push (just the original, not the 2).

If I were to add my own samples into ableton, can I use them on the pads? I want to make beats out of the k-mart musak.
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https://clyp.it/gk0uoef3
first time chopping samples
how did i do?
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>>61498072

ok i'll have to make some corrections, pd-extended is currently unmaintained so it's stagnating a bit behind vanilla (0.43 vs 0.46)

you can just download vanilla and download the relevant packages you need into that, or get both and jump over to vanilla when you're ready
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https://clyp.it/apye5gzo
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Need some tips on how to copy Prefuse 73 harder
https://clyp.it/rydkihfs

>>61498042
Put some low end in that, I know it's a snippet but that seemed like the only thing it was lacking. Other than that, p gud
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>>61498138
Try it first, i found it to be quite awkward to use and did not like the feeling of the pads. But maybe it is just right for you.

If you buy it, change the sensitivity of the pads (press the user-button) before you break your fingers
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>>61493089
>multiple instruments and am in a band
work on your band
not trap music
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Reposting this from previous threads, looking for mixdown tips and such.

https://clyp.it/r1ddqzmy

>DIIV ripoff
>how to get a better wall of sound
>programmed drums because drum mics are expensive
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>>61498180

A E S T H E T I C
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>>61498217

de-ess that shit mayne
lotsa shit happening in the high end that sounds annoying as fuck. put a EQ/go easy on whatever compression you have
can't comment in the music itself, other than it sounds a bit "generic"
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>>61494343
>>61498072
t.hanks for the posts about pd guys
apt-getting now
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>>61498217
get better monitoring, way too much treble, apart from that it is not bad at all
Did you mix this with headphones?
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https://clyp.it/2qny2ifn
r8 wip
nothing serious
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>>61498084
I did and the general gist of it is what i wrote in the post, but it's not made clear by the korg website. also a lot of it is speculation from before firmware updates and official releases, so no, it's not actually the simplest case of LMGTFY otherwise i wouldn't ask such a dumb question. also personal input on the machines is always nice. fugg off.
>>61498128
this, DX7 is wank.
>>61498138
you cannot access sounds that aren't from ableton packs using push, one of the main reasons i sold it. at least, you need some fucking wonky ass work arounds to access alternative libraries, and it's just not worth having to hack your damn ass software. I have maschine's sound library from when i used that, but you cant access it from push if you add the maschine library to ableton.. the navigation is honestly really clunky for any kind of more interesting sound design. also you have to be a dummy to not get the push 2, it patches sooo many tiny shortcomings of the first push in terms of accessibility. that said, push jsut doesnt give you deep enough of control of ableton. it's a performance controller, not a production tool at the end of the day, unless if you are making pretty trite music.
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>>61498334
>you cannot access sounds that aren't from ableton packs using push
not true, with 9.5 you can
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>>61498334
>it's a performance controller, not a production tool at the end of the day, unless if you are making pretty trite music
this is true. It's great for Hip Hop though i guess.

Also you can not record in the arrangement view and just play an instrument at the same time. Which is why i will sell mine.
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>>61498405
damn. i sold mine before the update after immense frustration.. that might make it worth considering again...
thanks for letting me know. thats pretty rad
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>>61490259
Hey /prod/ first time here, been using Ableton for around 5 years, just bought a DX7, having a lot of fun with it, redpill me on its meme status, and give us some tips for making cool patches. :)
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>>61498444

hip hop, brostep and SICK YOUTUBE MASHUPS
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>>61498263
>>61498312
Actually mixed this on yamaha MSP3's, but they're secondhand and the high setting on them is super fucked, so I have to compensate pretty heavily to hear any highs. Probably should've done a few reference checks on different systems, but all in all it was more of a new gear demo, so I'm not super attached to it.
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>>61498487
DX7 is a forgettable FM synth at this point and is outclassed by basically any FM softsynth or contemporary FM synth. if you think it needs extra texture you can just fry it with effects. the hype is unwarranted. i do appreciate the appeal of unusual workflows, and all digital hardware synths have their unique quirks that make them stand out, but compared to softsynths like FM8, the DX7 just really doesn't need to exist
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>>61498531
what are some affordable contemporary FM hardsynths then?
used DX7s usually go for 300 - 500$
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>>61498523
>I have to compensate pretty heavily to hear any highs
do this with an eq on the master you deactivate before bouncing
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>>61497016
Also curious about this
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>>61497016
>>61498655

Miami Bass artists used to use 808 kicks for basslines, usually tuned with the E-Mu SP-1200 sampler that was popular among those guys - info in here somewhere:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H2aszpgm8A
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>>61498755
>Miami Bass
otto von sriracha
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>>61497087
needs reverb to say the least

also:

OFFICIAL DAW POWER TIER LIST

BEST TIER:

STUDIO ONE


SHIT TIER:

EVERYTHING ELSE

>fruity poofters and disabledtonfags will get buttdamaged by this post
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>>61496927
I'm a complete beginner. What does this mean?
It sounds like something I should take note of?
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>>61498217
>implying DIIV isn't already a ripoff
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>>61499525
CAREFUL BRO, YOU'LL SUMMON DEVIN.
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>>61499472
it's a meme and he's tricking you. he'll probably also tell you to put your bass in complete mono when and if you master the track
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Guys, I need your help.
I'm shopping for a production keyboard workstation (preferably 61-keys).
What are you recommendations? Best bang for your buck? Please help.
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https://clyp.it/uvimy5dr

I'm making a song about a very dark shame of mine. What does /mu/ think?
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>>61499561
>not putting soundgoodizer on every instrument
>not using 8+ maximus' on the master
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>>61499561
Maybe he even tries to tell you to watch phase while mixing
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>>61499802
>not using 5 instances of iZotope Ozone 4 sandwiched between 2 iZotope Trashes and a free tape saturation plug on the end for "that loud, crunchy digital analog vibe"

do you even mix
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>>61498487
>redpill me on its meme status
i hate that people say things like this here
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>>61499574
Anyone?
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>>61500296
just get one u fuckin retard

how important do you guys think De-essing is? on Vocals? on the whole track?

I think you might as well just leave the esses in, unless they're really harsh
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>>61498215
>telling someone what to work on
>music

you're a faggot
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>>61500199
well you gotta admit the DX7 has a meme status among synths
but afaik the meme is usually that it sounds cheesy and is hard to program (???)
I think you should use one first before criticizing it.
And please don't compare it to softsynths, those are a whole other world entirely
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>>61499574
what will you be using it for?
a workstation keyboard can be fucking anything, they have been around since the late 80's or before
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>>61500377
hela gay
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>>61500424
Dream-pop sounds. What kind of synth should I look for in that case (61-key though)? I'm also using a guitar, obviously.
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Trying to decide what kind of dance music I should focus on making. Lately really obsessed with Bambounou-esque techno and Tessela's crazy shit.

Just trying to figure out how I can make some house trax that are somewhat original. It's tuff. Curious to hear you guys' bleeps
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>>61500516
personally I love FM8 sounds, makes sense for dream pop. Also look into the Korg M1 and Korg Wavestation, I use those as well for digital sounds. And for analog sounds, I've really been loving the U-he Diva
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>>61500405
oh i have no opinion about the dx7, i was just talking about "redpill me" and "meme status"
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Someone plz teach me how to make cloud trap transitions
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>>61500462
>hela

confirmed bay area faggot. Keep making "slaps" in your moms basement
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>>61500572
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look into those. I'm trying to keep budget as high as $800 if need be...
Also, I'm a bit uneducated. FM8 is a keyboard, or....? I tried looking that up.
I feel so stupid. I was initially thinking something like a Yamaha MX61 was good, or whatever. I clearly don't know shit.
All I know is that I really dig and want to produce dream-pop sounds, and I want a good keyboard that will help me stay consistent with that.
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>>61500755
Why don't you just learn without spending money on any equipment
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SUP YALLLLL

hope everyone had a good new years.

can i get some critique on this WIP?
i threw in the vocal samples from busy child and dont know if they fit well or not. plus the chorus or something just seems a bit... off

https://clyp.it/u1msuv12

>deep house but.. kinda bouncy
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>>61500755
>>61500848
Because I don't have equipment? How else would I practice? I have to start off, and I want to get something good.
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>>61500755
FM8 is a software synth from Native Instruments. Personally I'd just pirate some shit or spend the money on software, you don't need to buy hardware. But if you go that route, i mean, you can get dream pop sounds out of just about anything. Just depends how you use it.

But you'll have more options if you stick to software.
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>>61500572

not him but you (or anyone) got any recommendations for a Trillian replacement?

i started using SubBoom Bass and liked it but it keeps crashing my DAW.
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>>61490259
I would unabashedly pay more for a Centennial, just because it looks mad.
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Any good (free) mac oscilloscopes?

Why the hell doesn't Ableton have one standard?
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It's a song with instrumentation but about half of it is a sound collage type thing.

https://clyp.it/imuhcwu5
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>>61501165
I'll take note of FM8. Thanks for the recommendation.
The reason why I want a keyboard is also to learn piano. I decided to opt for a 61-key so I can still keep it slightly portable if I need it live. I can always transpose for the other octave.

I can also just import the sequence I make into that synth though, right? I want a more on-hands experience with this so I can learn keyboard and also be able to play it on my own rather than tinkering around on my computer strictly.
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should i get the ableton push or maschine mk2
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>>61501399
because you don't need it, it's just interesting
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>>61501932
More useful than half those shitty effects they pack in there.
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>>61501236
Hm not sure, for bass I just use different stuff every time. Could be FM8 (I'm new to it though, but I like how it sounds), Diva, Korg mono/poly, Ableton's stock synths, etc.

Idk I'm not an expert but I don't think it matters too much what you use. But it depends what kind of music you're making too. Sometimes I'll just use a sine wave and do some shit to it for a sub bass. Or I'll just use pitched down toms.

>>61501510
Yeah for sure, get a midi keyboard. I have a 61-key Axiom Pro that i like a lot. Alesis is probably a decent choice too. Just plug into your computer and you have whatever softsynths you have on there.

Working with a computer is my preference, because I like to focus on songwriting and editing and all that stuff. It's just comfy for me to have everything on a screen in front of me. If you're gonna get really into writing and recording, I think the versatility of software and a midi keyboard would make sense.

Also consider getting maybe something from the Roland Boutique series, or something from Waldorf, and buy a 61key controller to use to control that
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>>61502137
an oscilloscope is basically useless for music production today, it's just nice to look at if you are stoned
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>>61502366
>when
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>>61502366
It's a useful tool for learning about synthesis and sound design.
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I'm want to see criticism on the quality the song is. I am primarily focused on making my sounds more lively, not the melody and notes..

Some of you may recognize the melody.

I also need advice, I want to make a Hardcore/Hardstyle super saw, but I'm limited to just making a normal sounding super saw on Harmor.

pic very related.
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>>61502193
Don't get me wrong, I will primarily be working on a computer for the most part, but I am also trying to get myself acquainted with music theory as much as possible, so having the keyboard on hand is a very important thing for me at this point in time. But yeah, most definitely a midi keyboard.

>$699
I was looking at the Yamaha MX61 simply because it seems like a steal for what you get, but what are your thoughts?
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>>61502944
>forgot pic related
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>>61502621
The problem is not the supersaw, the problem is that your track isnt pumping
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>>61502987
The drums basically?

I'm stuck with the FL Studio samples because I don't know any other sample packs that I could get.

The reason why I said the supersaw is because I want to make a unique sounding one.
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>>61500334
use deesser on vocals when the sibilance clash with other sounds frequencies
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>>61503029
>Unique supersaw

I think that well is dry anon.
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>>61503029
>unique
I really hate that word. Focus on making something good sounding before you make something unique because otherwise you're gonna get stuck.
The drums are part of why it isnt pumping.
The drums need to be sidechained to a bassline for it to pump.
If you can't find Nu Hardstyle or Nu Hardcore samples and don't want to spend hours on creating your own perfect one you can always switch to Hard Trance/Early Hardstyle because fuck those new kicks
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>>61503099
dubs confirm

super saw is not unique
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>>61503115
>using samples other than 808 for drums
shig
just grab a kick and distort the fuck out of it, there's your hardstyle meme
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>>61503284
furthermore,
>not making every sound from scratch
>using waveforms other than sine
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>>61490302
DX7's were legendary in the '80s, very distinctive and clear sounds. I wouldn't use the actual hardware though, too much trouble. You need some FX for them to really shine.
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>>61494451
That sequencer looks nice, very transparent.

currently working in weird effects for playing live with my guitar
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>>61503284
all you need are the classic drum machines

all those hardstyle kicks are made with synthesis and processing
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>>61503284
you mean a 909
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4zConVD8FM
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I got a new toy today! I would have liked to do something more better with it but it's late and I don't like to make noise late.

https://clyp.it/bedghxv5
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>>61503342
>909
Do you also drink Monster energy drink?
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>>61503334
this
People forget that you don't only hear the synth on records but a ton of awesome studio equipment, tape machines, skilled engineers and so on
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>>61503115
I could already create Nu Hardcore kicks using Microtonic and Camelphat.

About side chaining, could I just use Gross Beat to sidechain the bass line?
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>>61503407
you only really need a quality reverb and you're set
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>>61503413
why not use peak controller?
i swear that shit is bouncy af
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>>61503413
yes you can use gross beat to sidechain it.

>>61503459
peak controller is also cool but depending on the tail of the kick gross beat is just easier.
but since i dont produce hardstyle or hardcore i dont care about fucking kick tails and use peak controller because its way cooler
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>>61503432
nah
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ive had decent results with fm synthesis for making 808 style drums
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>>61503524
u wanna fite me brah??
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>>61503566
i would like to put your dick in a compressor and record it to tape with really high level
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https://clyp.it/rmdibtca

made this the other day, What do you all think about?
It's mostly done with a microKorg and programmed beats on ableton.

:-)
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>>61503407
it's mostly the skilled engineer producer/engineer making the amazing sounds, a skilled engineer could make gold with fruity loops default effects if he had to
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>>61503672
>>61503585
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIn-n2ebENo
just reverb
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>>61492486
lol rite. i do eq last usually, then send like 15% into a reverb send
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>>61503529
Most of them are just sine wave sweeps, bursts of white noise or clusters of square waves.

Don't even need FM.
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>>61503724
Sounds like a 90s soap opera...
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>>61503804
yes
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>>61503115
Specifically, just the kick?
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>>61502193
>>61502944
>>61502980
???
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>>61503881
Hard sidechain between kick -> bass
Soft sidechain between all percussion elements -> other instruments

most important for the pumping effect is kick -> bass though
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>>61503986
I only know how to sidechain a kick and bass.

I'm relatively new to sidechaining.
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>>61501032

/prod/ pls
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>>61504120

JUST GET VOLUME SHAPER BRUHHHH

SUHHHHHH
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>>61504485
my pirated volume shaper was working for so long but then it stopped processing audio one day, still haven't bothered finding another one
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>>61504573

just reinstall it.

or get LFO tool. i just now learned you can midi trigger it as well.
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>>61503603
this is cool dude! i like it
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>>61497087
ITt's shit desu senpai.
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>>61497312
The videos on Volca keys don't convince me desu. And I don't necessarily need it to be analogue if it sounds nice Are there no virtual analogue synths below 500?

Although, one thing I forgot to say is since the polyphony would be especially great for pads, more modulation options would be better.
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>>61499793
I like it.
Go easy on the distortion though.
>>61501032
The kick has too many high frequencies imo.
Make the sub bounce more.
Dunno how to explain it.
>>61501472
The percussion hurt my soul.
Too much high end. And not just the perc.
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>>61502621
>limited
Then practise.
Not gonna clyp this because I don't want it on my account puu (dot) sh (slash) mkkA9 (slash) 17acee9216 dot mp3
Protip: automate the filter frequency AND envelope.
>>61503029
Get any long 909 kick and distort it.
Bam, you got a basic hard kick.
Now fuck with it.
>>61503413
Check out LFO Tool by Xfer Records.
Or you could do a ghost kick and sidechain using the limiter.
I used to do that, but now I do my sidechaining manually with automation clips for some reason.
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>>61507688
Pic related, LFO Tool.
You get so much control over the sidechaining.
Aösp. I edited the filter envelope so it'd be less active when the note hits to turn it into a pluck.
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>>61507700
Nigger stole my pic.

Also, you don't normally sidechain hardstyle... At least not by much.
If you listen to hardstyle, then you can hear that the track is kinda "flat".
There's not really any pumping going on.

I guess hardcore is different.
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how would i go about synthesizing this sound?
https://youtu.be/neeBLyBsv3I?t=117
(1:57)
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what vst do you use for your 80s sounding synths?
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>>61508676
>80's sounding synths

sorry i like to make relevant music
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>>61508886
what's ""relevant"" music?
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>>61508676
Any FM or subtractive synth will do, but I prefer using my Korg Poly-800 for that most of the time.
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>>61508676
Any VST with oscillators and detune.
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>>61507688
>>61507721
Many thanks anon.

I already could create a Nu Hardcore Kick via Microtonic.

I'm wanting to practice UK Hardcore and right now I'm stuck at the drums part.
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>>61507978
Get a sampler, load a minor chord sample, play octaves
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http://strawpoll.me/6455851

http://strawpoll.me/6455857
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How would you distort vocals in order to make a disturbing sound. What effects would you use?
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>>61510272
Also interested in this.

In the past I've most just played with bpm, transposed it, reversed it and layed it on top of the original. Maybe some reverb, but I'm a scrublord so I would like to know more things you can do with this as well.
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PD question here

I'm working on a virtual midi keyboard that's going to work like abletons, i.e playing the 12-tone scale via the keys A through J and switching octaves with Z and X. it all happens via a selector that takes the incoming ASCII key-value and triggers the corresponding frequency on the 12-tone scale

So far I've got the translation of keys to corresponding frequencies down, but I also want the ability to switch octaves via Z and X. I'm doing this by dividing or multiplying the output frequency number from the above selector by 2. The rightmost selector makes sure this operation triggers via Z and X, and outputs the correct value, but the problem is that it only happens once. The new value is correct for the whole octave no matter which key I strike, but I can't divide it again, or multiply it again, to get to yet another octave below or above.

Making a + 1 counter for a float, that continually adds, is easy enough but multiplying or dividing a float and continuing to do it in the same number box seems difficult. Or am I just being thick?
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>>61508676

everytime i see this question i always suggest TAL U-NO.

it's an emulation of the Juno 60 that pretty much EVERYONE used in the 80s
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>>61511659

Yup this one, korg polysix and FM8 do the trick

U-NO sounds extremely authentic
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>>61499322
REASON BEFORE EVERYTHING ELSE
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>>61508676
korg m1 has a bunch of 80s sounding presets
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I have a MPD and Live 9. It works perfectly except for when I'm trying to switch banks when the drum rack is open.

Bank A and C are good, but B and D have an overlap to make it seem like instead of going up 4 spaces it only goes up 3 or something.
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ive got a question for logic users:

whats the easiest way to throw in vocal chops/samples/one shots??

every time i want to use a small filler phrase before or after something i always have the hardest time. ill take an acapella and ill time stretch the acapella to match my BPM and then cut the phrase out and throw it on the last bar but it never fucking fits and i always have to make all these small adjustments and usually end up time stretching the vocal chop a lot more.

am i just retarded at sampling? should i be using exs24?
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>>61511895

>clip editing/time stretching

there's a solution and it's called Ableton
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How do I bring more dynamics to my music? I feel like everything sounds too flat.
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>>61511976

mid/side eq/compression
good ol' reverb/delay
double yr tracks and hard pan l/f
so on and so on
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is there any software reverb that can do this kind of things?
everything related, sounds goat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPsqZaIjhGE
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>>61512090

goddamn that is such a nice unit

I don't anything software comes close to it
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>>61511916

i know its much easier in ableton. its one of the main reasons i want to sit down and learn it one of these days.

any tips for transitioning between the two?
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>>61512135
$500.
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>>61512310
worth it imho
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So i've used FL Studio for a few years now. Nothing serious, though. I have a KORG ESX-1 SD , but i want to switch to ableton, sell my KORG and buy something new. I thought about an Akai APC40 MK2. Does anyone have any experience with it? I'm currently learning Ableton, but i think an Akai will give me much more options than the KORG.
I also have a KORG nanoKontrol and i'm thinking about getting a Novation Launchkey and a small midi-keyboard.
What would you guys recommend as a MIDI-controller? Is the Ableton Push 2 worth its money?
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>>61512650

I would reccomend keeping your KORG unless you're absolutely sick of it. The ESX-1 seems to be a sampler that comes with sounds and such, the APC 40 is just a midi controller that's best for controlling the session view in Ableton it greats don't me wrong, but it's not a stand alone sampler with it's own sounds like your KORG seems to be.
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>>61496927
shelving is almost always better than high passing. too much filtering kills the mix.
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>>61512135
it's a digital pedal though
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anyone here selling beats?
where the fuck do i post my shit to grab people's atention and sell it?
already tried facebook groups and all i get is replies with yo senpai baka fire beat can i get it for free?
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I'm currently on an old lenovo n500. So far i worked with FL Studio and everything worked fine. now i want to work with Ableton 9.5. Will it work fine with a 2.00Ghz dual core cpu or do i need to upgrade?
what's a good laptop for music production in general? No macbook please, as they're too expensive for me.
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>>61511609

Update, I think I found a more elegant solution here with a vertical radio slider. This allows easy transposition between octaves, and all values are correct regardless of octave.. The problem is I can't figure out how to gate it all so that only the selected value from the vradio gets through, and decides which of the outgoing signals to pick. There has to be a simple solution I'm not seeing here. Any ideas?
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>>61513500
Any DAW will work no matter how shit the CPU is (Unless its ungodly shitt tier), You just have to learn to be patient and bounce your tracks to audio over and over to ensure the VSTS are not being used.
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>>61510272
Abletons warp tool, work with pro-=defualt, texture and all shit
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>>61513500

Ableton + freeze & flatten is your friend

I've made entire albums on an old eeePC that sounded quite professional
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>>61513364
You're always going to get spammed with messages like that regardless of where you post, and they always will come in a vastly bigger number than sales.

It's a number's game.
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>>61512310
The worst thing about it is the price desu. $500 could get you really a really quality spring reverb.
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>>61510272
>>61511482
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_03KJNxCgSI
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>>61514607
Seamless senpai!
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I'll just leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZzAeYWXFpk
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>>61515196
why?
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/prod/, I'm about to buy pic related (Yamaha MX61). Can anyone recommend a similar or better synth workstation to buy at a similar price point?
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>>61512090
Lush/10
Maybe get some convolutions?
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What's the best program for producing electronic music?
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>>61515313
Though now that I think about it, they'd work only if the reverb is time invariant, and those don't always sound lush/10.
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>>61515339
The one you like the most.
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>>61515339
Audacity
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>>61515339
LMMS
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>>61515339
Reaper
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>>61515282
>workstations
shiggy diggy desu senpai
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What's the best DAW controller right now?
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>>61515601
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>>61513867

FINALLY GOT IT TO WORK!!! Went with midi notes instead of hz values and added some cheap subtraction, multiplication and then adding values from the key output and vradio. Feels like I've just discovered fire.
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Hello /prod/, would you be interested in hearing my track I'm working on?

>house, disco, soul, Japanese sample-core
https://clyp.it/gurkvlvf

Please give feedback if you feel like it. Thank you!
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>>61515601
A mouse.
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>>61515730

Final version with more notes and better math
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muh experimental
https://clyp.it/dko350wg
am i shit /prod/?

>>61515766
Sweet groove
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>>61515766
Holy shit, nigga.
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>>61516423
shut the fuck up, nobody cares about your glorified VisualBasic

You're not going to be making any fucking music in any case. Just like every other PD nerd, you and the other PD nerd will jerk off together and release what sounds like my dick slapping your mom's ass and you'll both ohh and aaaah about how difficult it was to come up with the sound.

yes I mad
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>>61515766
Also, you got other tunes? Soundcloud? I wanna listen to you.
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>>61500647
>cloud trap
>>61492484
>ambient trap

this trap meme is getting out of hand
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>>61516501

Wow, I guess we should just post what you like then? :^)
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>>61513364
bamp
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>>61516501
fl kid detected

go sample another hardwell track
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>>61515282
a 61 key midi keyboard for your current pc
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>>61513364
same boat here. I feel my work is finally competent enough to sell, but idk how to get the exposure or find clientele.
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>>61513364
>>61516860
Y'all have a Soundcloud, right? It's the first step to getting your name out there.
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>>61513364
Actually I'm gonna answer myself. I think what I'd do is make a Tumblr, make it trendy as fuck, get follows from trendy tmblr cloud rap kids, and post your beats for sale on there.

Post the tracks along with a nice trendy visual edit, so people will want to reblog at least 4 the aesthetic. Reblogs on reblogs within the trendy tumblr world should equal some sells.

Shit....I'm gonna start doing this actually. Off to make some 'ambient trap'....I hope i make $$$
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what the fuck kind of instrument is jonwayne using in this video at abuot 5 minutes and 40 seconds in? looks cool to experiment with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuCbdbgOOS8
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>>61516789

no

but c'mon man, how about containing your autism unless you have a specific question. See that lack of (You)'s? That's because nobody here gives a fuck about PD.

Or should I start dumping Ableton screencaps every time I figure something out?

this is not your blog.

>>61516818

go take your adderall and spend a week coding a PD module that makes a sine wave sound a fart then jerkoff with your nerd friends about how amazing "musicians" you are, sperglord
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>>61516938
Figuring something out in PD is an order of magnitude more impressive than figuring something out in Ableton.
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>>61516451
>>61516495
>>61516518
Thanks anons! My soundcloud is a mess right now so I'm just gonna get it together better before I post it. Here's a track I did a while ago that's in a similar style (way less close to finished though).

https://clyp.it/hr05fyty

>>61516451
I like this, I like your sound design. Keep at it! I would like to hear this but with even more different sounds going on. What are your influences in this?
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>>61513364

Don't focus on the selling bit for now, go for free/cheap and the shotgun effect. Post your shit to as many relevant places as you can (forums etc), put up a bandcamp page, make an album that you sell for VERY cheap and try to maximize the traffic you get in one week. Once you get on the weekly charts, traffic will increase and things will snowball from there. You can't be picky right now, try to engage local acts and take part in events, be creative. ANYTHING that increases the likelihood of people knowing you exist is a good idea.
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>>61516890
yup, have about 100 followers. It just still doesn't really feel "real"
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>>61516985

and guess what? nobody gives a fuck

nobody

when I listen music, I don't give a fuck how hard it was to make. nobody cares

this is what you fucking PD nerds don't understand. That's why you're sperglords. You're basically writing a (more or less) gimped DAW from scratch right? You'll finish it, and like I said, you'll use it to make nothing but absolute trite wankery. You'll spend a fucking week trying to make a sinewave to your pleasing, and another month figuring out an arpeggiator. And just like 99.8% of PD projects out there, it will sound like shit

But congrats on spending all this time and effort building a virtual Fart Machine.
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>>61517246
wew lad no need to get mad
the method can be part of the aesthetic sometimes too
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>>61516501
>sounds like my dick slapping your mom's ass
>>61516938
>makes a sine wave sound a fart
>>61517246
>virtual Fart Machine
lol are you literally 12? all your jokes are about memes and farts and sex with people's moms
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>>61516938

If you find something cool out in Ableton, why not share it? There's been a lot of that going on, with the best types of channel setups etc. I remember about a year back we all shared a bunch of FM8 patches, it was a lot of fun. Hell at some point people even shared their own tuning systems for scala files or FM8. Anything's better than soundcloud spams or, I dunno, shitting on people for engaging the thread with actual creative work.

>See that lack of (You)'s?

I honestly couldn't care less.
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>I'm superior to "fl kids" because I spent a week writing this FartBox that makes noises

PureData users are fucking cancer
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>>61517478
>i shit on other people's creative endeavors because i'm insecure about my own and too emotionally stunted to properly process those feelings
/teenprod/ is fucking cancer
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>>61517027
>I like this, I like your sound design. Keep at it! I would like to hear this but with even more different sounds going on. What are your influences in this?

I don't know probably autechre, BOC, aphex twin or venetian snares but i didn't tried to replicate a particular sound so they are marginal influences
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>>61517521

>>i shit on other people's creative endeavors because i'm insecure about my own and too emotionally stunted to properly process those feelings

you mean you calling anyone who isn't a sperglord "fl kid"?

/nerdcirclejerk/ is fucking cancer
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You're right, but I also wanted to opt for a workstation so I can actually practice some piano (for music theory and such) aside from using the keyboard as a controller.
I would be saving significantly more if I just get a controller, but can I realistically practice piano with a controller through my computer?
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>>61517552
i'm not the guy who said that and i don't support that kind of stereotyping but he's being way less of a douche about it than you are
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https://clyp.it/tyu21jcx


is the mixing off? how is the work sound?
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>>61517627
I wanted to also add that I will primarily be producing strictly through my DAW, but I'm also simultaneously trying to get myself acquainted more with music theory, and using a controller rather than a keyboard to learn/play piano is a bit ridiculous, isn't it?
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>>61512090
>Magneto
Damn.
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>>61512650
>i want to switch to ableton
Why?
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>>61512090
Muh dick
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>>61515766
Getting a Daft Punk vibe from this.
Really nice!
Tried my hand at this style a couple of years ago.
Maybe I should try again now that I'm bettetr at making music.

What songs did you sample?
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>>61518091
Thanks mate. The sample is from this song: https://youtu.be/FwFIfaP0QQk

Since it's already a fairly dense song in terms of instrumentation, my total number of tracks ended up being fairly minimal. Most of what I did was drums and percussion stuff.
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>>61517540
Good places to draw influence from. Are you planning to make a more "conventional" song structure like some of these guys, or do you wanna keep it really experimental and do more arhythmic/soundscape type stuff?
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>>61515766
not to bash or anything, but what exactly did you do to this track aside from speeding up Tatsuro Yamashita's song?
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>>61518224

I'm actually doing tons of different things so i don't know
Maybe both
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>>61497209
watching this GIF while this >>61517827 plays i another tab has so far been the best experience I have ever had in 23 years of life. I am not exaggerating. The sense of peacefulness and wonder I feel right now is incredible.
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>>61518269
Just added percussive elements and brought it up to a more present-day level of volume and punchiness. It's more meant to make the track into a more uptempo DJ tool than to make it super original.
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Are fancy sound cards for your computer really significant for music production?
It seems kind of overrated. What I missing out on if I don't have a dedicated sound card in my rig?
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>>61492484
lmao
just the lmao
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>>61518467
>Are fancy sound cards for your computer really significant for music production?
> It seems kind of overrated. What I missing out on if I don't have a dedicated sound card in my rig?
Low latency audio input
I'd always go with an external/audio interface tbqh tho
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Testing out doing some glitchy drums https://clyp.it/1wke0zla
Nothing fancy, but I kinda like it.
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>>61493089
are you literally 15?
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>>61518517
I'm still a beginner. Could you explain what you mean exactly?
And also, any recommendations?
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puredata intimidates me tbeh
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ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE OKAY WITH COMPANIES DROPPING SUPPORT ON AUDIO/MIDI INTERFACES EVEN THOUGH THEY WOULD STILL WORK JUST FINE WITH A PATCH RELEASE!?!?!
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>>61518467
It starts to matter more once you get into mixing and mastering and you need to hear things in more detail. A lot of engineers that work in the industry will forgo all the outboard gear and work entirely "in the box" and just make sure the signal chain from their computer to their monitors is as high-quality as possible.
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>>61518603
Oh okay, that makes sense. I would ultimately like to also learn to master my own work properly, so I guess I should keep this stuff in mind.

For sound cards, do you guys have any particular recommendations?
Or if you like external interfaces like >>61518517 mentioned?
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>>61518594
me too. I wish anons here would start making Pd generals and teaching people how to do it and talking about it. I've always wanted a virtual fart machine like ae.
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>>61518600
rme literally supports devices forever from what I hear
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Sup /prod/

who is the best live performance artist right now, and why is it KiNK?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osS2zsW8mLk
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>>61518600
Why would a business spend time developing a free update for old hardware when they're trying to sell you newer hardware? It's nice when companies do that kind of thing for their customers but it doesn't make them any money, and if they're a smaller company of just a couple of people they might not even have the time and resources to do such a thing.
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>>61518634
Yeah you'll want to get an external interface probably. Universal Audio makes some of the best, but they're a little bit more pricey than more entry-level ones
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>>61512090
>9:43
Hot damn, that tail.
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>>61518761
Is pic related what you're talking about?
What makes an external one better than internal?
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>>61518600
are you on windows? you can use compatibility mode if you are

i do it to run a us122 on windows 7 even though the drivers stop at vista
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>>61519122
An external will allow you to route your audio out to monitors, as well as to route in external instruments. See how that one has a quarter inch headphone output and mic input? It likely has line outputs on the back as well to send audio to monitors (or other outboard gear).
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>>61518517
>external
My internal PCI interface sounds fine.
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