What does /mu/ think? http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/675-why-are-misogynist-lyrics-entertainment-in-2015/
/v/ get the fuck out of here.
We don't give a shit about these P4k editorials.
None of us do. We read their reviews for fun and joke about P4kcore.
Some people drone P4k, and we make fun of them.
But we DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THESE ARTICLES.
Get the fuck out of here, and back to your shit board.
That's what I'm saying.
None of us read The Pitch.
/v/ shitheads who don't care about music pull out these articles so they aren't forced to have a music discussion.
It was 1980 – I was 13 years old and with my Father at O’Hare airport when I spotted Bill Murray waiting to check into his flight. I told my Dad “Hey, that’s Bill Murray!” My Dad, never one to be star struck, answered back, “Sure looks like it”.
“Do you think he’d mind if I ask him for an autograph?”
My Dad responded that it didn’t look like he was too busy, so I walked up to him and asked for an autograph. He was very friendly and gracious to do so, while my dad told him, “My son stays up late every Saturday to watch your show”, my dad explained.
“I hope he’s not drinking too much”
“Nope, I do the drinking at our house”, my dad assured him. “Good for you sir”, was his reply, and we were on our merry way.
>As a person living in a genderfucked body that was assigned female identity at birth and has been mostly read as female by society since, Rectal Hygenics’ lyrics are exhausting and painful in a very visceral way.
>No one is arguing that Rectal Hygienics, or bands making albums like this that make empty motions towards something like music trolling, should not be allowed to exist or should be foisted from the scene. But how are lines like "Spoiled fuck machine/ Think you’re on easy street/ You’re a slave to man and what he puts inside of you/ Stinking pack mule/ You smell like shit," from "Heroin Whore", the song which Even the Flies Won’t Touch You derived its title from, supposed to be interpreted? Is it hammy shock and awe or bald misogyny? Are we supposed to sit back an appreciate this as "art" for "art’s sake"?
>At a time when violence against women, particularly trans women, is an everyday occurrence—6 trans women have been murdered as of this writing since the beginning of 2015—and doesn’t happen in some other discrete universe, far from these basement scenes—how are we supposed to receive these lyrics as "entertainment" or even "a window into man’s self-loathing"?
trans is the new gay
Rectal Hygienics is my new favorite band
i'm gonna go and make an exclusively trans hating noise punk album
>people getting this butthurt about a social topic post
>not getting this mad about people spamming "memes" and calling things "meme ___"
>not getting equally upset about people droning their actual music reviews
>people being this reactionary over the slightest mention of "sjw" type topics
you know you can still talk about this stuff and not have to be a tumblr shitlord, right? you guys just need stuff to be mad about...
>Often, anyone who critiques it is written off "just too sensitive", doesn’t get it, or perhaps they "deserve" to be offended. Of course offensive art has a right to exist, and is necessary. All art has a right to exist—but its status as art is not protection from others' opinions. Art’s interpretations by the audience that receives it is as much a part of it as its creator’s intentions.
This is what literally no fedoratrolls on the internet ever understand.
As soon as something is criticized for being misogynist they go "CENSORSHIP! YOU'RE ADVOCATING CENSORSHIP!"
>anti-imperialist candy witch, hc/post-punk prince/ss
because hyper-masculinity is not only expressed far more often and is much more deeply ingrained in media/social structures, but hyper femininity is often a response to that.
don't pull some men's rights bullshit. it's the worst. you can talk about how masculinity can be toxic without writing off all men, but that isn't the point.
This. I used to skim the Shake Appeal and The Out Door for recs but it appears they've done away with those features in the name of editorials and joke columns about topics such as "Sleater Kinney drop a hip hop mixtape", "Obamacare for Musicians", and a soap box for Meredith Graves + co to yell about whatever they are mad about on a given day.
I don't hate people because they're trans or gay or black, I hate people because of the content of their character.
I have had great friends from every side of the spectrum, and I've seen some of the worst people come from the same backgrounds.
I hope that most of you don't immediately jump to hateful conclusions because of someone's choices in life, rather, you discern if they are good people or not.
I'm not advocating hate or peace, I'm just advocating for people to stop being such judgmental fuckheads across the board, it's not just you, it's also them.
True that. Honestly, what's the big deal? I don't understand the total rage going on in this thread. It's really not that extreme of an article, really, all it's doing is pointing out there is misogyny in some modern music and, as this thread actually proves, people get upset when someone decides to critique that. She doesn't suggest we censor the music, no, actually she clearly states she is against the censorship of music. She just suggests that society needs to not be so critical of those who critique misogyny in modern day art.
tl;dr This article isn't that big of a deal and the fact that you guys are getting so butthurt over it actually proves the author's point.
laughed so hard when I first read the bandname. RECTAL HYGIENICS
I mean cmon this shit sounds like its straight out of some 'name my band /mu/' thread.
I dont even think this band actually exists
I disagree, newer noise bands might be falling flat when it comes to this but they are certainly TRYING for the same satire and critique that their influences were so it isn't inherently more misogynistic. And if the true difference was the political and cultural context is no longer there as the writer implies than the this essay wouldn't need to exist anyways I really feel like their isn't even a real point to the essay and it begins to seem even contradictory to itself at the end where it says how violence against trans-women is such a problem right now, wouldn't that make the message just as important now as it was when Big Black did It?
I feel like I'm missing something can someone explain?
tour dates with TOTAL ABUSE
i think she's cool. she just messed up by using the "M" word.
"misogyny" pretty much has the opposite effect that SJWs want it to have at this point.
IF YOU'RE A WRITER AND YOU SINCERELY WANT MEN TO STOP BEING MISOGYNISTIC, DON'T USE THE WORD "MISOGYNISTIC."
there are ways of relating that information without blatant buzzwords. it's called "creativity" or "rhetorical skill."
If you had read what I posted you wouldn't have cluster replied and shitposted.
You're proving some of our points you know. You barely take the time to read people's comments and dismiss them. Shameful.
>IF YOU'RE A WRITER AND YOU SINCERELY WANT MEN TO STOP BEING MISOGYNISTIC, DON'T USE THE WORD "MISOGYNISTIC."
sad but true. although I don't think that's really the writer's fault, but more the fault of men who get mad over such a simple word. Oh well, what can you do.
If you could understand the irony of this post all at once I think you would die. And the sad thing is you will leave this discussion thinking you ""won"" when you really just showed everyone how little you understand /mu/. And I'm fully aware that you're shitposting, that's why reddit is better than 4chan. You are living proof.
This is why people like her can't create art and can't comment on it without looking like idiots, they get caught up and in their feelings and whats right and wrong instead of taking it for what it is, which is a window into someones mind and soul.
The lyrics are the singer expressing himself, whether he's serious or not, they're still coming from his point of view of life and how he sees the world. People are individuals and have different perspectives on life. What you read into something may not actually be what the artist is actually saying or what they truly feel.
seriously. this forum is used to critique music 24 hours a day and yet someone starts a discussion about violent lyrics on a different website and /mu/ rages.
>Why are we supposed to praise them for hypothetically "looking into the dark places of the human soul" when women who write about our biographical experiences with these dark realities can’t even talk to our friends on social media without being interrupted by trolls at best and serious harassment at worst?
This. The way i have seen /mu/ discuss women in music is really sad and backwards.
how the fuck is misogyny a buzzword? it existed long before the internet. besides the fact that men trolling online have deemed it as such in an attempt to attack the character of writers rather than take part in the conversation and address the points being raised?
go back to your liberal hugbox echo chamber please
women are literally
I don't get what's the problem with this article. Like most of us haven't listened to some music that made us think about something and wanted to share those thoughts with others. Good on her, that she can do that on such a "high" place...
TBH I haven't read the article yet, but it sounds interesting. I mean, I could write something similar on how I an "leftist" am listening to some more "right wing" music, like Varg's Burzum...
you didn't. not in the way that others are doing. but you did imply the writing was inherently flawed and uncreative because of the use of the term misogyny. I am still trying to figure out how it could be a buzzword though
I already stated my problems with the essay so I don't agree with her but man you are really either not self-aware at all or didn't read the article.
It's more about why the type of lyrical approach is cliche and boring in modern noise rock more than how it hurts feelings. its actually a critique of the lyrics from an artistic stand point.
this doesn't really invalidate what you said but all you and me and everyone else on this board does is critique the artistic merits of other peoples music also...
>People so excited to attack SJWs they're missing the point of the article
Oh, what is the enlightening point of this article my dear anon?
i think she made some good points, but the whole point of the article is saying we should not give praise or acclaim to bands that aren't acclaimed by no one anyway
she's just inflating a few problems and cherrypicking examples of it (because p4k can't mention misogyny on hip-hop)
daily reminder that your bitching on 4chan isn't going to change anything
trolls will keep trolling, and you will still be mad
>It's more about why the type of lyrical approach is cliche and boring in modern noise rock more than how it hurts feelings.
Black metal has cliche lyrics.
Rap has cliche lyrics.
Punk has cliche lyrics.
Pop music has cliche lyrics.
It's clearly a feminist article.
oh yea, when did i say that? the article just says that the lyrics are overdone and often offensive to some. no where does it say that it shouldn't exist or that offensive art shouldnt exist.
>TBH I haven't read the article yet
Read it. It's well written and has a point. But still it's nothing revolutionary, or anything really.
I don't get how Anal Hygienics is any more insulting than I don't know Anal Cunt, or something...
Also I feel /v/ and /pol/ are posting this articles to try and create some kind of gamergate in /mu/ but the thing is, most of us don't care about music journalism. P4k could shit on NMH, and yeah it would be on /mu/ but not in a way where people would "hate" p4k for it, or anything. I think it would be, welp they changed their opinion again, what else is new?
so what? why is it so enraging to /mu/ that somebody would express an opinion about that and from a feminist prospective? this forum literally exists to critique music and present opinions and interpretations of art.
>when women who write about our biographical experiences with these dark realities can’t even talk to our friends on social media without being interrupted by trolls at best and serious harassment at worst?
/mu/ loves shit like grouper
daily reminder that complaining about trolls is pointless and you are wasting your time
>It's more about why the type of lyrical approach is cliche and boring in modern noise rock more than how it hurts feelings. its actually a critique of the lyrics from an artistic stand point.
she is saying that a clever aspect of those lyrics was lost and, through the misunderstading of people inspired by them, the element of portraying a character in it's lowest points of humanity was dismissed and this non-comedic satire became exactly what it was distastefully portraying
to say it's become cliche would've implied it didn't change at all and that it lost it's value for being commonplace, and not for having changed through losing it's critical aspects