>>53569660 The only bad art in my eyes and ears is that which is trite, formulaic, uninventive, etc. A person could have little-to-no formal training in theory or technique, but that could lead to them making choices that maybe I would want to listen to.
>>53569660 >What about color, Color is not music. >dynamics Not a necessity for being "good". >phrasing Not a necessity for being "good". >pacing Not a necessity for being "good". >tonal progression Not a necessity for being "good". >performance? Not a necessity for being "good".
>>53569706 I'm basically curious on people's philosophy's about music. I know at the end of the day enjoyment of music is relative, but I do think more awareness leads you to be more or less interested in certain ideas. For example, my dad loves 12 bar blues. It's not like I hate it, but knowing and comprehending the inherent repetition of tonal progression within 12 bar blues prevents me from being surprised or stimulated. Somehow the recognition of patterns ruins the magic of what art is. After all, if something is recognizably formulaic how could it be honest expression of ideas or emotions? Which, in my opinion, is what makes people relate to and enjoy music and art.
>>53569940 >After all, if something is recognizably formulaic how could it be honest expression of ideas or emotions? If something is overly complex and convoluted how could it be honest expression of ideas or emotions?
>>53569775 Yea absolutely, it's not about a technical thing, even though technical skill can help somebody create good art. It's not an end in itself, artistically, but more so athletically. But something has to be causing them to be making choices that aren't devoid of their unique expression.
>>53569940 Music is only able to express emotion based on connotations that are ingrained in the listener. People who were never exposed to Western music before don't get the common emotional cues from it. Western music is typically a simulacrum of emotion, but it requires the context of established "meanings" behind sounds in order to convey that emotion. Not all music is made to express emotion though, not even all western music.
It's too broad a thing to try narrow it down to a couple of factors. I suppose if you were to separate the term musician from artist or whatever then you could look for technical ability which is somewhat quantifiable but you don't need to be Woody Shaw to be a great artist.
>>53569828 When I said color I was talking about timbre, basically how something sounds texturally. It is a thing in music. But by your logic, something without color, phrasing, pacing, tonal progression, or performance wouldn't actually even exist right? There are elements that are necessary to qualify as music in the first place, first and foremost it has to be auditory. This includes silence too, if that's the auditory sensation you're trying to convey, but music is inherently dynamic, and inherently has color, right?
>>53570127 >When I said color I was talking about timbre So you misspoke. >But by your logic, something without color, phrasing, pacing, tonal progression, or performance wouldn't actually even exist right? Strawman. >There are elements that are necessary to qualify as music in the first place Are we talking about the characteristics of something so it qualifies as music, or the qualities which define "good" music? You seem to be confusing them
>>53570022 Well right, I wouldn't say there's not a point at which complexity detracts, or at least alienates. But that's not to say that there's such a thing as "too complicate" in my opinion, because it's really more about balance. If you have a piece that is so fast and complex that it's essentially incomprehensible to the human ear, what some people might call noise, but you balance it along with other ideas that are very comprehensible, like a steady beat and a simple chord progression it can still end up being very good. That's part of what I think makes Animal Collective so important to so many people. They juxtaposed simplistic theoretical ideas that most people can relate to with a use of noise which simultaneously highlighted something new and exciting in both elements for a lot of people.
>>53570169 >>53570145 With Autechre I always figured the atmosphere was purposely made to be very cold and robotic. They experiment with odd sounds and ideas for the sake of establishing this kind of unfamiliar and to an extent inhuman atmosphere. I think it's really cool and they've got a pretty decent sized fanbase so I suppose that's purpose enough. I don't feel like art needs to have a purpose though. I think it's a really beautiful idea to just have music and sound for the sake of it. Without trying to impose meaning on it.
>>53570286 >With Autechre I always figured the atmosphere was purposely made to be very cold and robotic Loneliness and stoicism are emotions, so even your examples are rooted in communicating emotion. Just not the type of emotion you'd usually associate with, I assume. >>53570310 "desire" is an emotion. Nice try.
>>53570048 I don't know that I agree. Virtually any culture has roots in specific harmonic intervals. Not they they all use them the same way, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a place that didn't ever use the perfect fourth or fifth, or even unison, simply due to the inherent intuition people have for those harmonies. They are literally lowest common denominators in the wave length of the tones. You might lack some context, but I think all it really takes is to listen to something enough times to comprehend it intuitively. After all, you and I might listen to the same song and have totally different emotional interpretations, or, hypothetically, a deaf person who gains the ability to hear would, by my logic, inherently recognize and enjoy the way a major scale sounds.
>>53570396 >there's no "desire" in EDM you fucktard. You just said it was here >>53570310 >"Desire" is also such a fucking meaningless buzzword Not a buzzword. Perhaps you don' t know the meaning of that term? >EDM is only about making drunk people dance, and that's not an emotion. Why would an artist want to make a drunk person dance?
>>53570331 >Emotion a strong feeling deriving from one's circumstances, mood, or relationships with others. >stoic a person who can endure pain or hardship without showing their feelings or complaining.
Stoic is no more an emotion than atheism is a religion. I don't feel like Autechre's music is lonely. At least I never interpreted it that way. it's pretty subjective how it makes you feel but I never got that impression.
>>53570396 >EDM is only about making drunk people dance, and that's not an emotion You wouldn't dance to it if it didn't give you an ecstatic and energetic emotional response. Have you ever danced before?
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