ITT: Musicians you'd sacrifice for the sake of our culture
if I saw Mac Demarco on the street, I'd drop everything I was doing and kill him with my bare hands. I'd make sure he felt as much pain as possible in an attempt to prevent copycat artists from growing enough balls to stand up to my wrath.
if we continue to allow Mac Demarco to make music, who knows what the 2020s will look like? goofball artists left and right, "jizz jazz" in TV and movies. it'd be a fucking nightmare
Seriously guys. WE are the ones making him out to be le goofball. He's just a young man. Young men are silly and juvenile and when you involve money/drugs/women/gay shit things get wild. Yes the smoking, bucktooth, shitty clothing aesthetic is a gimmick, but it's still him... we don't have rockstars anymore, and he doesn't really know how else to carry himself in the limelight.
But above all.... the guy actually makes great music. Salad Days was my legitimate AOTY. I get that people put it on and go "eww.. chill indie rock, Urban Outfitters-core gtfo" etc., but if you actually fucking listen you'd realize he's an excellent guitar player and multinstrumentalist and one of the few people who still care about making pop music in the tradition of decades past. He is not a meme, he's a fucking kid. You think he expected his life to turn out like this? I support artists of the cusp of greatness instead of shitting all over them. Give it a try for once asshole, you might enjoy the result.
what is with this influx of newfags that think hive mind opinions are cool all of the sudden?
I've been here for 6+ years. I've browsed every single post-punk/no-wave thread, studied Cantebury scene, gotten down to freakiest folk ever made, scoured the internet for delicious power pop/jangle, drank scotch while sitting back to lilting jazz, witnessed Faust use a chainsaw in a live performance for the ages...
But, my favourite EP of all time is Return of the Hypnotist by The Apartments. I love simple, sweet heart on sleeve songwriting and sunny-side up guitar playing.
Mac is a giften guitar player and writes songs that nobody else could. You might think he's a dime-a-dozen "chill indie" dudester, but you're wrong. Even in his Makeout Videotapes days, the people in Vancouver knew he was something special. He writes from the heart. His lyrics are a tad simplistic, and his songs a bit too cheery at times, but he knows his way around a melody and can play the guitar/bass like a motherfucker. You realize he played every single instrument on Salad Days, right?
Go form your own opinions. I've done my time. So, you disregard my opinion because I like something that it's not 'cool' to like? I'm a fucking oldfag man, you think I haven't done the research? You think I don't know beautiful, honest music when I hear it?
>actually quite handsome
if this is true, please refer to pic related
Like i dont understand how people on /mu/ will listen to 2 and a half hours of fucking glass in a blender and call it such a profound statement in music, then turn around and call a decent multi-instrumentalist a hack/meme/overrated. It blows my fucking mind.
Do you know how much of a legend he would become if you did that? For now, he's just another decent indie musician that only the hip young folk of our day will vaguely remember in a decade's time
You're vastly overestimating the influence he has on pop culture
People like you are fucking stupid. You seriously can't understand someone not liking something? You are acting the same as a 12 year old, die-hard Beatles fan, only with Mac
You seem to be so passionate about this, so tell us why it's insane to not like Mac, compared to the thousands of other artists that also deserve recognition. Go ahead
I think he's ok, but you need to calm down
what is with this influx of manlets with qt 3.14 1/4 azn girlfriend that think mac demarco albums are cool all of the sudden?
I've been here for 6+ years. I've browsed every single feels thread, studied the Time Machine Modulus scene, gotten down to freakiest asian lesbian porn ever made, scoured the internet for delicious memes, smoked cigs while sitting back to emotionally paramount podcasts of moot's final interview, witnessed Hanatarash use a bulldozer in a live performance for the ages...
But, my favourite LP of all time is Watashi Dake by Keiji Haino. I love visceral free improvisation spoken word dizzying post-jazz guitar playing.
I am a gifted memer and writes memes that nobody else could. You might think I'm a dime-a-dozen "chad" normalfag, but you're wrong. Even in my >tfw no gf days, the people on 4chan knew I was something special. I writes from the sociopathic paradigm that is my underdeveloped technologically ill brain. My memes are a tad simplistic, and my memes a bit too post-ironic at times, but I know my way around a cringe thread and can meme the memes like a motherfucker. You realize I memed every single Time Machine Modulus post in cringe threads, right?
Go form your own opinions. I've done my time. So, you disregard my opinion because I like something that it's not 'cool' to like? I'm a fucking oldfag man, you think I haven't done the research? You think I don't know beautiful, metamodern memes when I see them?
I agree. The clothing however isnt a joke since him and his bandmates all dressed like vintage hobo's before they became famous. Thrift store clothing was all he could afford i guess and now that he still wears it its becoming a big thing because its "Le quirky XDDdd" and "Le Retro" but please sont blame the guy.
Its kind of how Kurt Cobain used to wear shirts and jeans with holes and stains and when Nirvana got big people sold shitty, stained shirts with holes in them for 800 dollars just because its a trend all of a sudden
this board is over, man.. /mu/ isn't about music anymore, its about trying to fit in.
Because, really, I used to find good music here years ago, now its just shit and people discussing about AOTYs.
You said it youself: hes decent. Nothing special.
Now glass in a blender? Thats new, fresh.
it is but maybe people can try to.. revive the old /mu/? i only got here like 2 years ago, so i can only guess how good it must have been since this place was already dying since i first saw it.
>completely dismissing mac making good music
>calling someone euphoric because they like one of his albums
>"le meme gap tooth"
maybe you are right but there definitely are poeple hating mac demarco for those reasons he listed.
She's one of the most deliberately manufactured personalities I've seen in years. She was picked specifically to appeal to the pseudo-tumblr "feel good about yourself no matter what" trend that has been taking over society
he makes music for reddit. literally. he did an AMA and he said something along the lines of "I like making happy music for happy people. if reddit had a theme song, I'd be the one to write it"
Maybe, but there are definitely people who hate on Mac because they don't think he's anything special, and they just like to shit on the people who think he's the next fucking Lou Reed
She's 1/4 Japanese. Doesn't even look it, really. She's blonde...
But yeah, she's tiny. I'm pretty small. Get over it.
This is how I feel about his work. For all the goofball imagery and fuckery he gets on this board, his music is very tame. He idolizes guys like Johnathan Richman. It's the honest, nice guy, strong songwriting/ likeable figure angle he's trying to play... not "I'm so WEIRD look at me LOL". If nothing else, I love hearing him play guitar. That simple.
>People like you are fucking stupid. You seriously can't understand someone not liking something? You are acting the same as a 12 year old, die-hard Beatles fan, only with Mac
>You seem to be so passionate about this, so tell us why it's insane to not like Mac, compared to the thousands of other artists that also deserve recognition. Go ahead
>I think he's ok, but you need to calm down
OK, I wrote the big paragraph, but not the post you're responding to. I understand this side too. There are tons of more/equally deserving artists. But I'm from Vancouver and got to watch Mac DeMarco grow as an artist, seeing him several times before he got on Captured Tracks. He has no gimmick. He just loves to play and people love to hear it. A song like Passing Out Pieces gets my head bobbing, makes me sing along, and I love the production... he's one of few artists I can actually get behind who doesn't disappoint with the music he releases. So many bands seem cool on paper, or figure it out for one song... and then disappoint you with everything that follows. Mac's no-gimmicks approach means no let-downs. With Salad Days, I was more than just not let down... I was thoroughly impressed and kept coming back to it all year long.
>Mac DeMarco likes a website!
>Must be inauthentic!
Fucking kidding me, there is literally no reason to not like Reddit at this point. Unless you're le ebin anon-chan you shouldn't be all that surprised people enjoy Reddit.
Mac's music is boring and holds no substance and I can understand that there are people who like him because there are also people who like sports or television. It's not inherently "wrong" to like these things but you should at least recognize that you hold no agency in conversations about ARTists if you consider yourself a fan of Mac's music.
Mac is probably unbiased towards reddit unlike most people here, so you cant really blame him. Also, Reddit is a better known site with a more 'clean' (but lame) group of people in both sense of humor and aesthethic. (SJW, upvotes and more of that shit)
So of course Mac would sooner visit Reddit than a 'south-african clip art gathering' like this. Would you upload your stuff to Vimeo or Youtube? its kind of the same thing.
I think, that as soon as Mac did an AMA on /mu/, he would leave in half an hour because all he would read would be:
>"Hurr duurr le drumstick up ass"
>"Can you post nudes of Kiera?"
>"How come you are quirky meme-man XDd ?"
It would be a disaster. Also, just because he did a Reddit AMA, doesn't mean he makes music for Reddit. Did Devin from DIIV make music for /mu/ just by doing AMA's here?
reddit users don't have taste. they like artists like The Beatles and Pink Floyd, they like directors like Quentin Tarantino and Christopher Nolan, they like authors like Thomas Pynchon for fuck's sake
>reddit users dont have taste
Im not even on Reddit but saying people their general plebiness goes for everyone is too stupid to even thin about.
And just let it be man, my best friend might be considered a pleb by many on this board but i enjoy his plebiness more then all of these fake "Harsh-noise patrician core /bleep/" lovers
Not everyone on /mu/ likes Death Grips, even though the majority does, thats kind of the same thing i guess
This is the opinion I'm trying to defend against.
Simply put, show me something you deem to have 'substance'. Show me why you belong in the conversation among ARTists. Chances are, I've heard it.
I love all music - that's why I've been on this insufferable board for over half a decade. Mac is not pushing music forward by any means, believe me.. we have enough Death Grips wannabes around. He just writes sweet little songs. He doesn't want to be our favourite meme artist. He just wants to play his fucking guitar, and that's what music is all about.
Ok, I totally respect that you're a fan of Mac but what I mean by you holding no agency when it comes to conversations about musicians and groups creating substantial art (like 灰野敬二, Peter Brotzmann, Fred Van Hove, Han Bennink, Fred Frith, MX-80 Sound, Scouts Of Uzbekistan, Parker Bailey Bennink, Derek Bailey, Roland Kovac, Fiori Carones, Sprung Aus Den Wolken, Fat & Fucked Up, Philip Johnson, or Big City Orchestra & Deathranch to name a few off the top of my head) you really don't have any say in the matter. I'm sure when it comes down to it you like mostly enjoy music that's straightforward as opposed to music that works towards presenting the subconscious mind on a visceral level of sound.
Mac's music does not do this. It's safe, pop, digestible, and marketable. He claims to make "happy music for happy people". You truly cannot get more reductive than that. I believe you have no agency in conversations about art music because you are accepting and consuming what this musician creates and accepting that to be your meal.
Haven't listened to it yet, but I started to listen to salsa days and I feel like 2 was better. Just me?
That's the thing, "sweet little songs" aren't enough for some people because there are already thousands of artists who do that. You seem to have an optimistic perspective, which is "So what if it's nothing new, chill out, it sounds nice!". That's fine, but try to understand that a lot of people who are really into music are easily bored by that. In terms of straightforward pop songwriting, there's still plenty other artists who I'd rather listen to
>Mac's music does not do this (progressiveness) . It's safe, pop, digestible, and marketable. He claims to make "happy music for happy people". You truly cannot get more reductive than that.
Not all music has to be progressive. Also, he does make music in his own style, no one on the planet really sounds like him because aside from remaining poppy and using basic popsong formats, the way he records and produces it makes it sound unique.
If barely anyone knew him in the start of 2012, and he sells out packed out venues in 2014, he must be doing something right, doesn't he? The amount of fans he has may be subjective to what you said though
Do you really see no artistic value in fun music? Do you seriously think that just because somebody likes music that is made for entertainment that they can't also enjoy music made for art? And if they do listen to both "fun" music and "art" music do you seriously think you can discard their opinion without any thought?
>aside from remaining poppy and using basic popsong formats
You like him because of his silly Mac style. That's perfectly fine, but you should try to understand that
>If an artists is popular, the artists must be doing something right
No, I don't think that's true
You're putting words into my mouth. Progressiveness is one thing but creating music that conveys non-verbal nor explicit concepts is another. Mac's music is concrete whereas what I consider higher art music is more ephemeral, dealing with abstractions.
>Also, he does make music in his own style
Slacker rock is a pretty big thing right now. He has a unique voice but beyond that I could see any bandcamp-tier musician doing what he does. Using cheap instruments and vintage effects sounds nice but it's no big deal.
>If barely anyone knew him in the start of 2012, and he sells out packed out venues in 2014, he must be doing something right, doesn't he?
Yeah in terms of marketability and playing into trending aesthetics amongst a 16-26 year-old demographic. Good for him for making sweet, sweet money but I don't think that his music is as substantial as he is rewarded for. Sorry. I understand how you can like him and how other people can like him but I think it's a shallow and self-consuming way to enjoy music.
yeah i know what i like about him and i get it that people dont like him, its just that lots of people seem to hate / dislike him for no real reason.
But i always think 'enjoy what you enjoy' and i think thats the view everyone should have towards each other
But, again, I don't understand your opinion. Let me preface this by saying... I play music. I started off with absolutely zero knowledge, and learned how to manipulate my computer, making layered soundscapes and meandering songs. I made 'art music' because I had no control over pop scales or any idea how to write a hook. I was damn good at it. People, even on here, ate it up. I'm here defending Mac when I honestly make music that people like YOU would actually APPRECIATE. But then I realized... it's bullshit.
People with genuine pop sensibility are extremely rare. It's like a 6th sense for guys like Jeff Lynne, Paul McCartney, Paul Simon, etc. etc. and it's the purest form of music ever made. Mac, in my opinion, has that, and I can't wait to see what he does next. The subtlety of his playing makes me want to go back to the drawing board and trace what it is that drew me to playing music in the first place. That simple. You're not a special snowflake. Like I said, I play music, so I have absorbed more music in my life than you can possibly imagine.
This is what I was waiting for. I love all of those artists. Fred Frith's Guitar Solos is a personal favourite. You assume that the human brain can't appreciate music from all walks of life. I don't sit in one camp and talk shit about another. I LOVE music. So does Mac De-fucking-Marco.
>you are accepting and consuming what this musician creates and accepting that to be your meal
it's called pop music. It is served to you like a meal. Somebody slaved over it, made it just right, and is sharing it with you. I bet you spit at your wife's cooking too. You are fucking hilarious, man. This is why I came in with the "I've been here for 6+ years' angle; I have been rec'd things from many /mu/tants and have shared my tastes. I've evolved, dug deep into what music has to offer, and come out thinking... "damn, I like it when that bucktooth kid plays his guitar". That's it.
I completely understand that, for example I think Ege Bamyasi is a very "fun" album but many consider it also to be very progressive and "artistic", but that anon was basically saying if you listen to music for hedonistic reasons at all that you can't discuss art music which is retarded and makes no sense.
I was typing basically what >>53170841 said.
His music is bland and basic "fun" music. I'll have fun listening to jazz, proggy post-punk, or no wave while also consuming something of a bit more substance.
Think of it as a fast food hamburger and a sirloin steak you made from home if that makes any sense.
I get what you're saying, and I'm not saying Mac's music is the most complex ever, but using a food analogy I would regard it higher than a fast-food hamburger. It's not the most edgy or inventive thing out there but it is more interesting than a lot of other pop/indie shit out there
that can be true, but not always entirely because believe it or not is possible to like things that are considered substantial as well as the easily digestible and marketable. It's not like you have to subscribe to one or the other only, so who's to say that your opinion can't carry weight simply for the fact that you can find enjoyment out of the safe and marketable as well as experimentation?
Yeah its the best that people have different views on music in general. Also, could you explain the word 'ephemeral'? i have no clue what it means (English isn't my first language) even though i got the rest of what you meant down.
I dont think Mac ever had a demographic in mind but i can see how he fits into that demographic. Also, please explain to me what you mean with it being a "shallow, self-consuming way to enjoy music". I'm a bit lost there.
For funzies, check out his band before Makeout Videotape, The Sound Of Love: https://myspace.com/thesoundofloveband/music/songs
Its an R&B-joke band
>has been done better before
Sorry but isn't this subjective, like so many music taste-related things? If i would like Hall & Oates better than him, wouldn't that be subjective aswell?
What the hell are you talking about? You're just assuming that because I don't like Mac that I don't like pop music in general. That I only listen to whatever your idea of "art music" is? I believe pop music can be appealing on a visceral level and still be amazing, my point was I don't think he's one of the artists who do this. Your post makes me laugh because it's mostly explaining YOUR credibility in judging music, rather than Mac's as an artist "I make music even you would like!, etc etc"
>Like I said, I play music, so I have absorbed more music in my life than you can possibly imagine
You really are an arrogant fuck. I play music too, what the hell is your point?
Holy shit, you suck
I enjoyed this one the most.
Salad Days was bland.
I cant tell if people hate him more because of his personality in interviews/videos or as a counter reaction to people who worship him
I like his personality and his music. The only thing that I question is why he copied that one japanese song for chamber of reflection
Sorry, I sometimes just assume I'm talking to the same guy in these threads. I thought you were the one flaunting your taste, which was exactly what I was waiting for.
Yeah, ok, I'm talking about my own music to give myself 'credibility', but I genuinely find Mac's arrangements interesting, intelligent, and universal. Most specifically his guitar playing, as I've referred to multiple times in this thread.
Why don't you like it? Lyrics too simplistic? The songs too upbeat and cheery?
mac is popular because he makes catchy pop music and also brings along a townie, friendly welcoming personality.
tyler the creator has a similar way of branding his music. you are investing your time into a character when listening. a lot of people really like that.
mac demarco is now old news tho and he will probably be irrelevent come the end of this year
I genuinely find Mac's arrangements average for a jangle pop band
His guitar playing is definitely pleasant, reminds of Johnny Marr sometimes. I don't think he's a virtuoso or anything
>Lyrics too simplistic? Songs too upbeat?
Honestly you're fucking annoying
Like many artists, he must have thought that borrowing / stealing something is better sometimes than making a bad 'filler' song. He also copied George Harrison btw:
>mfw people in this thread are trying to defend mac against ppl who know what they're talking abt
I think the guitar playing most people in this thread associate him with is stuff like this:
Live he usually plays Rythym guitar, so he will more likely come off as being worse than he really is, even though, like you said, he is no virtuoso
I got a bit distracted in this thread, this is the point I was trying to make. I've been on this board for a long time, it's not like bands from last century were locked in some and only a patrician lords have the key... this board is for sharing stuff like that. I've found it, I've challenged myself, and I've loved so much of the stuff I've heard. Some of it is terrifying, exhilarating, peaceful, tranquil, serious, funny, loose, sloppy, sexy, and some I can't even quite find the words to describe... but it's all music.
And despite the knowledge I've gained and the art I've encountered, I still really love this gap-toothed guy and his sweet guitar ditties. It's not vapid soulless pop really, to argue that is pretty reductive and juvenile, but of course it is 4/4 guitar music. He has something quirky his entire delivery which I immediately gravitated toward, and his guitar playing is nearing virtuoistic. Anyone that can't hear that simply doesn't play.
Really, the only guy to play the same style of rhythm/melody hybrid guitar playing is Alisdair Maclean of The Clientele, and I consider him a pop guitar god.
I'm not saying it's vapid or soulless, I'm saying it's just alright
It's great that you have an apparently incredible knowledge of music that you've obtained from /mu/ (lol), but you aren't the only one and I don't see why you keep saying this to justify your opinions. You don't need to do that
I think his playing itself is pretty darn good but this has to be hyperbole
>Anyone that can't hear that simply doesn't play
You are such an ass
Wait, are you implying you listen to/know of bands that nobody on /mu/ knows about?
This is the internet. For better or for worse, this is the largest congregation of people with a genuine interest in the history of music, popular or otherwise.
I don't think to say that he is 'nearing' virtuoistic is hyperbole. Few people write genuine guitar hooks anymore, but Mac has it down to a science.
As for arguing with you, I know I don't 'need to do that'. Other people have come into this thread flaunting their favourite artists to contrast how entry-level somebody like Mac DeMarco is. I haven't done that. I've simply stated that I've heard it all, and I don't find Mac's work out of place in my library in the slightest.
Also, Jonny Marr is a good example. Thanks for bringing that up. Interesting, intelligent, understated guitar work, all under the guise of pop music. Methinks Mac listens to The Smiths. ;)
>been here for 6+ years. I've browsed every single post-punk/no-wave thread, studied Cantebury scene, gotten down to freakiest folk ever made, scoured the internet for delicious power pop/jangle, drank scotch while sitting back to lilting jazz, witnessed Faust use a chainsaw in a live performance for the ages...
I fucking cringed hard.
also it's 2015, 6 years is new fag shit.
everyone knows anyone who started here after 2008 is human garbage anyway.
>are you implying you listen to/know of bands that nobody on /mu/ knows about?
No, what the fuck?
>this is the largest congregation of people with a genuine interest in the history of music, popular or otherwise
This fucking guy
>Few people write genuine guitar hooks anymore
That's a blatant lie, and what makes a guitar hook "genuine"?
I'm pretty sure all you mean is he's good at making pop hooks with a guitar, please clarify
Also, how it be a measure of virtuosity? That word doesn't mean someone who's great at their instrument, it means they are a god damn master of it
Guitarists who I love, like let's say Tom Verlaine, Neil Young, D Boon, Doug Martsch, etc. They're great, but I wouldn't dream of calling them virtuosos, see what I mean? Django Reinhardt or John Fahey are virtuosos
>how entry-level somebody like Mac is
You're the only one who called him entry-level in this entire thread, congratulations. All you're saying is "I listen to A BUNCH of music and I still like Mac!" My point is that's a shitty way to argue and it says nothing