"In America The land of the free, they said And of opportunity

wahhh those mean suh juh wuhs >:(

Hardly.

>England for the English, England for the English

From the shit that he said about the Chinese? No.

He's on the 'racist list'.

>>53107702
>not realizing that singers often sing about the thought of other people and not all songs are written from their perspective

>>53107776
Art thou mad?

>>53107673
>England is literally like a thousand years old
>not one black monarch

>>53107688
spelling things wrongs isnt an argument

>>53107859
You know how the monarchy works right? Are a bunch of white people going to suddenly start being black?

>>53107673
wtf is an sjw?

>>53107887
It's only time before William gets, how do you say, cucked, no?

>>53107887
Yes, it's impossible for a white parent to ever produce a black child

>>53107889
it means "anything i dont like"

>>53107673
>listening to anything Morrissey did after Vauxhall and I

>>53107911
Yes, it literally is you retard. Mixed race people aren't black they're mixed race.

>>53107915
nah if u get offended that by literally anything which only involves words u a lil bitch

Why do British artists almost always have an obligatory America-bashing song but I can only think of like one example of American artists railing on the British? Inferiority complex much?

>>53107845
no u

>>53107889
It has two different means 1) people who in there quest for social justice, go to extreme ends, which usually turns them into bigots. The have horrible dog piling tactics. See, TERFS, and black/trans extremists.

2) anyone who gives a damn about social inequality, at all.

You usually see the latter being sprouted on 4chan.

>>53107970
American artists also almost always have an obligatory America-bashing song

Everyone just hates America I guess

>>53107911
Mate, my wife had a black child. Apparently it happens sometimes. It's possible.

>>53108007
Social inequality is natural and impossible to get rid of, that's why SJWs are fucking stupid.

Same with people who believe in world piece, just fucking hang yourself already.

>>53107970
A lot of British people are sick of the hopeless wars America drags us into which we get bombed for; the amount of resources America fritters; the dreadful culture we get swamped with; our independent shops closing for a McDonalds or Starbucks America's general bully boy nature. These sentiments might be part of the answer.

Anyway, Morrissey has been living happily in L.A. for many years now.

>>53108020
>Apparently it happens sometimes
yes, when a woman fucks a black guy
sorry m8

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>>53108020
Genuinely laughed out loud

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>>53108053
If we change our mind sets its possible, it's only because society has been locked it this way for so long, that you think it's incapable of changing.

>>53108055
>drags us into
Your parliament voted against the Syria intervention, they were free to do the same with any of the other wars
>the dreadful culture we get swamped with
Delete your entire music library then, and take back all of the awful Doctor Who fans
>our independent shops closing for a McDonalds or Starbucks
those are multinational corporations, and what you mentioned is just as much a problem in America as it is in the UK. Also there are plenty of British chains like Wetherspoons putting local businesses in trouble there too.
>bully boy nature
sure thing, perfidious albion.

>>53107889
anyone who is of an opinion on socio-political matters, according to the redditor/4-chan perspective

>>53108007
>TERFS
Damnit, just when i was starting to get use to all the bullshit on the internet you had to go and show me a new reason to hate it

DUDE SJWS LMAO

>>53108053
>social inequality
>natural

hahahahaha

please explain to me with le rational science and biology how social inequality is "natural"

>>53108053
societies are unnatural how can you claim social inequality is natural

>>53108055
sorry Britain but you don't get to complain about bullies

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>>53108231
You researched Cathy Brennan, didnt you OP?

>>53108171
No because it's human nature, which will always be stronger than human will

>>53108254
It's natural among humans to discriminate eachother, it's a method of survival. If we discriminate others, we will feel and become stronger ourselves. Being good to other people for the sake of being good is not natural, it's only natural when we try to get something out of it.

>>53108055

So in other words

>inferiority complex

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>>53108055
British control of resources have a lot to do with those wars too, but i understand the sentiment you're describing.

>>53108283
>societies are unnatural
absolutely not true

>>53108053
>something is natural therefore we should stick to it
I hope you don't use medical services when you need them. that would be, you know, hypocritical

>>53107970
The obligatory anti-America songs are usually some of the worst material in the artist's entire catalog, too.

Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGgV-XjlwXY

Possibly one of the worst choruses in the history of metal.

>>53108020
Well it is possible. It happened to some South African family(DNA tests confirmed she was the dad's) and the courts had to decide if she was white or black in regards to the apartheid

>>53108321
so what gives you the ability to know what is objectively "natural"

humans have survived in collective societies for hundreds of thousands of years. modern capitalism creates a culture of individualism which generates discrimination. there is nothing natural about it. it is a way of social organization and there are an infinite number of alternatives.

>>53107927
Ringleader of the Tormentors has some good tracks tho

>>53108350
Human nature is trying to survive

Using medicine is a way of trying to survive, so it's natural

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>>53108309
Ugh, i didn't even know who that was until you brought her up and looked her up. What the heck is this!?

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>>53108327
>>53108302
>>53108206
>>53108325

>>53108379
So does his latest album.

>>53108369
>modern capitalism creates a culture of individualism which generates discrimination

Nope I disagree

>>53108385
ugh what the fuck
I hate people who wear Unknown Pleasures shirts

>>53108385
She's a horrible person.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cathy_Brennan

TERFS are a prime example of the 'Horseshoe theory'.

>>53108369
Individualism discourages tribe mentality and therefore things like racism and xenophobia. That's horseshit.

>>53108020
Kek

>>53108412
That's fine, but I am of the persuasion that capitalism separates people and leads to unnecessary competition. There are other ways that people have organized themselves that do not require certain groups to be marginalized for the benefit of others.

>>53108385
That t-shirt could make a good album cover.

>>53108321
>Being good to other people for the sake of being good is not natural
If you truly believe this you have to be a projecting sociopath. The human race wouldn't survive if people didn't help each other.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism
I think we as a conscious species living in societies can aim to be a little bit better than the buffalo that will knock the slowest one down to keep the predators busy.

>>53108479
Which? Communism doesn't count btw because millions of people died because of it.

>>53108461
And yet the greatest modern capitalist countries were built on slave labor. I'm not saying individualism is inherently wrong. There needs to be more of a balance.

>>53108497
>inb4 communism hasn't been tried in practice

>>53108495
>The human race wouldn't survive if people didn't help each other
Yes, and that's because people help other for their own benefit. It's how we survive as a species, by being naturally arrogant and only caring about yourself.

>>53108497
>Communism doesn't count btw because millions of people died because of it
I'm sure nobody has died from capitalistic ventures like America's private health industry or lack of government regulation...

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>>53108497
Obviously this argument continues with me saying that those weren't examples of true communism. But I will rather say that we should investigate the ways that people were organized before capitalism for some ideas. Capitalism is a blip in human history.

>>53108518
>America's private health industry or lack of government regulation

Both of those things shouldn't even be taken for granted in the first place

>>53108516
and yet we reproduce. people have lived collectively for hundreds of thousands of years. individualism is a cultural narrative we've learned via economics.

>>53108539
>Capitalism is a blip in human history
Capitalism has existed for thousands of years you know, the first human civilizations were capitalist

>>53108572
and yet it represents so little of human history

>>53108516
>It's how we survive as a species, by being naturally arrogant and only caring about yourself
Then why do we have spouses and children? Why do we (not all of us) help those in need?

>>53108551
I think in a modern society healthcare should be a privilege not a right of the wealthy. Maybe that's just me. Same with the privilege to know that the research corporation in the next town hasn't dumped all their toxic chemicals in your town's river because of lack of regulation.

I want an American band or singer to create a concept album about what they perceive to be the failings and hypocrisies of British politics and then wait to see how Brits react to it. Then maybe they'll stop writing awful whiny songs about how we have too many guns and don't elect enough muslims to public office or whatever and focus on their own country's politics like American artists tend to.

But then again half of these British artists probably have summer homes in California anyway.

>>53108593
>Then why do we have spouses and children?
because the desire to fuck her right in the pussy is another human instict

>Why do we (not all of us) help those in need?
literally because:
For women: they have natural empathy which they need to take care of their children
For men: to feel better about themselves

>>53108639
>For men: to feel better about themselves
The fact that you feel better about yourself after helping someone shows that altruism is a human instinct...

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>>53108518
>>53108509

>>53108631
But it shouldn't be, that's a terrible attitude in my opinion. Attitude like that makes people lazy.

>>53108660
Well maybe it is, but in the end you are still doing it for yourself are you not?

This is good music discussion like it's meant to be.

Awesome job guys ( or girls,trans) keep it up.

>>53108639

all of your ideas about "instinct" and "natural" states of being (which are gendered) are complete cultural constructs. i.e they are subjective.

>>53108664
>being able to live and not be poisoned by corporations makes you lazy
How middle-class are you right now?

>>53108664
yea cause a society full of sick people is at its utmost level of productivity

>>53108682
>complete cultural constructs
that simply isn't true

I like to compare the human species to a pack of wolves, in the core we behave the same. It's all instinct.

>>53108697
>he thinks pollution is a problem exclusively of capitalist countries
Have you any idea what kind of an environmental disaster the Soviet Union was by the end!?

>>53108676
Well you could make that argument about anything that makes you feel good, but not things that negatively affect you like self-sacrifice or suicide. It's like you're trying to imply humans are only self-serving automatons when they're really not.

>>53108682
+1

>>53108664
kek
elaborate
and don't say shit like 'I don't want black going to hospital for MUH MONEY'

>>53108710
so we can go around the world and find universal definitions of "natural"? how did you come to know what was natural? How did you come to define humans as wolves? These are narratives we use to explain the world to ourselves. They are not real. We are not wolves, and the words "instinct" and "natural" are constructions that w've created and defined.

>>53107673
he's the queen

>>53108725
I thought we were talking about the philosophies, not the countries that try to implement them.

>>53108634
>I literally don't know about the punk movement

>>53108709
That would imply that there's an intrinsic connection between access to health care and the quality of said health care.

>>53108725

>believing that le soviet union is the only alternative to capitalism

lol

>>53108729
Found the term for what I was referring to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruistic_suicide
According to how you see the world this shouldn't exist.

>>53108725
The USSR was not a true socialist country; it pursued revisionist ideologies contrary to what Marx taught.

>>53107673
can I trust Morrissey?
no
will I trust Morrissey?
I may have to
should I trust Morrissey?
I don't know, you tell me.

>>53108729
>things that negatively affect you like self-sacrifice or suicide
They don't when you are actually thinking about that. When you consider suicide, you do it because you believe being death is better than being alive.

>>53108730
>elaborate
Read some of the things Henry Ford said

>>53108736
The words are constructed, the meaning is not

>>53108763
Then name us one nation that attempted a planned socialist economy that wasn't a miserable police state.