>be me 6 months ago >be plebian who listens to MrSuicieSheep-core

y-you too

for sure brother

>ctrl+f "pretentious"
>4 results
Only band I like out of those is Talking Heads, but still. Death Grips isn't any better than the other bands you listed and Macintosh Plus is music in a meme genre.

Good job Anon, you figured out most of /mu/. Most people on here are edgy, hipster faggots. The Talking Heads are pretty good though.

Check out:
>Iggy Pop - The Idiot
>GZA - Liquid Swords
>Suicide - Suicide
>T. Rex - Electric Warrior
>Iggy Pop - Lust For Life
>The Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat
>Nat King Cole - This Is Nat King Cole!
>The Magic Tramps - Kickin' Up Moonlight Dust
>David Bowie - Low

Legitimately good music by most standards AND catchy, new, and experimental at the time of release.

>>52972451
The production on Death Grips is what draws me in, it's some of the most competent and otherworldly production I've ever heard.
It's what I imagine Wu-Tang would start to sound like after you've been awake for 3 days in an anxiety induced meth binge.
Especially on the song "Blackjack", when MC ride's vocals start getting confused and it almost sounds like he's talking backwards, absolutely amazing.

how the fuck are those bands even remotely "pretentious"? they're all pop/rock
also, meme grips and gybe are the two single most pretentious bands that have ever existed

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>>52972493
Thanks m9, I'll look into it.

>>52972526
>production
This is what retards that listen to shitty music use as an excuse.

>>52972367
your right man, I spend 70% of my free time listening to music just because I want to seem quirky to all the people I don't even talk to

>>52972367
>be you right now
>still plebeian

>>52972547
Pretentious does not mean "hipster music", you moronic fuck. Pretentious means "going out of your way to act as though you're being deep when what you're saying is actually completely shallow"

And that's exactly what these bands are doing. They're just different for the sake of being different.

"Meme Grips" is different with a purpose. It paints a picture of living a low lifestyle and throwing your life away, and a great amount of their songs are stories paying tribute to this.
Death Grips has now just reached a point of popularity where the pseudo-intellectual morons on this board feel a compulsive need to dislike it.

>>52972578
So it's not inherently bad, just typically associated with people you don't like.
I expect this to fly over your head because people on this board are morons.

>>52972622
>Talking Heads is different just to be different
>Death Grips are different to spread a message
Sure is delusional in here.

>>52972653
If the only thing you can say about some music is that its production is good you must be listening to shitty music.

dank meme op, I can't wait for this to be reposted over and over

>>52972676
Talking Heads is probably closer to the bell-end of /mu/-core that isn't just different to be different. I still feel like it tries to be different for no tangible or logical reason.

>If the only thing you can say about some music is that its production is good you must be listening to shitty music.
So artists whose music consists of nothing but production must only make albums warranting a 0/10. Like Beethoven.
Use your brain, son.

I like how OP hasn't actually critiqued any of these bands on a musical level.

>>52972723
dude what

>>52972723
I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say production. When I see people talking about good or shitty production it seems they're talking about how well or poorly it's mixed or something like that. Beethoven's music didn't have production (at least until it started being recorded) because it was performed live.

>>52972771
"If the only thing to appreciate about an artist is their production they must be a shitty artist"

Beethoven is an artist who consists entirely of production, therefore Beethoven must be a shitty artist.
Do you follow?

>>52972367
What a special snowflake.

>>52972819
The instrumentals then, I guess.
The same concept, just applied differently because of physical limitations.

>>52972821
Beethoven's production is very different from the type of production we're talking about when we talk about Death Grips.

>>52972842
Did you think or consider what you just said AT ALL before you typed it? Because that doesn't make a lick of sense.

Under no circumstances do I go out of my way to pretend to like something to make people think I'm cultured. This is what /mu/ does, and it's fucking retarded.

>>52972853
We are not discussing subjective opinions, we're discussing the premise of hating something because it has no legs to stand on other than production.

>>52972905
which is a subjective opinion. you dumb dweeb

>>52972905
Yeah, we're talking about objective facts. The type of "production" involved in Beethoven's music is worlds apart from the type of production used by Death Grips. I can't take you seriously anymore after this.

You still haven't critiqued any of the albums/bands on a musical level, btw.

>>52972367
>6 months
wow, in all situations you are that quick?

>>52972943
It is a subjective opinion that Beethoven is a better producer than Zach Hill of Death Grips. This is not a fact, this is an opinion.
Make sure to process this information slowly so as not to fry some kind of circuit in that brain of yours.

>>52973007
I never said anything about the quality of production, actually. When I said they were world's about, I didn't say a thing about which one I liked or not. Not that you can understand this.

Still waiting for the actual music critique. Come on, you can do it, you're big boy on /mu/, mom'll be proud.

lol you don't like the music, so what? I don't like hunting deer or listening to pop country but I'm not condemning those who do.

>>52973064
Talk about the dissonance (or lack of), harmonics, poly-rhythms, SOMETHING in the music instead of just putting up your own vapid argument of this music being essentially meaningless.

>>52973105
I'm talking about the premise, and the premise is that people on /mu/ are pseudo intellectuals who are only interested in sounding profound.

Read: sounding. Not actually being profound, just feeling smarter than everyone else.

>>52973064
Case in point.
You're a fucking moron and what you're saying doesn't make a lick of sense, you're just backtracking because you have too much of an ego to lose an internet argument. Quit being so autistic or kindly fuck off.

>Still waiting for the actual music critique
What, you'd like me to give an in-depth review of all the /mu/-core bands I don't like?
I don't have time for that, but it can best be explained by just being different for absolutely no reason other than to be different.
The Dismemberment Plan's lyrics complete and total random bullshit that correspond to nothing, the singing isn't good, the instrumentals aren't good and their music isn't even slightly interesting.
The Dismemberment Plan may as well be making bubblegum pop music like Nicki Minaj, but they don't because they're hipster morons and they just want to be different.

>>52973359
Death Grips' lyrics complete and total random bullshit that correspond to nothing, the singing isn't good, the instrumentals aren't good and their music isn't even slightly interesting.

Deerhunter and Women are goat you autist

>>52972622
>Pretentious means "going out of your way to act as though you're being deep when what you're saying is actually completely shallow"
no it doesn't.

>>52973359
>You're a fucking moron and what you're saying doesn't make a lick of sense,
No, you simply misinterpreted what I said, and given that you're the only one in the thread to have done so, it seems you're in the wrong here. I'm not being autistic in the slightest, you're giving up an argument with no actual substance. Put up or shut up.

Lyrics have nothing to do with music. Saying the instrumentals and the singing aren't good isn't enough. Actually describe what's wrong with them, or your critique about them being vapid is hypocritical. Talk about at least one chord sequence and why it's below average. I don't think you're capable of it.

Someone give this guy a Current 93 album

>>52972367
>dismemberment plan
>vapid

can you even do the standing still?

>>52973434
And I'm not even the first one to bring up the point about the production being entirely different. You're a fucking idiot.

>talking heads are pretentious

Explain

>>52973403
>Death Grips' lyrics complete and total random bullshit that correspond to nothing
On surface level, they sound like random bullshit. But the more you listen to Death Grips the more you realize that MC Ride is talking about actual things happening and he's painting a picture of someone who lives an extremely bottom of the barrel lifestyle.

>the singing isn't good
In almost any other scenario the singing would be terrible. But I wouldn't want anything else than something that sounds like an angry hobo with 4 missing teeth.

>the instrumentals aren't good
Both the instrumentals and production are absolutely incredible.

>their music isn't even slightly interesting.
Their music is a testosterone soaked punch to the stomach from the beginning to the end.

>>52973359
>The Dismemberment Plan's lyrics complete and total random bullshit that correspond to nothing

You are an absolute fucking moron if you can't understand the D Plan's lyrics.

>>52973464
hes clearly not ready for that.

>>52973520
>But I wouldn't want anything else than something that sounds like an angry hobo with 4 missing teeth.
I don't think anyone on /mu/ actually knows what a hobo sounds like.

Everything you're bringing up is subjective btw, which is the point the other anon was making.

>>52973434
>No, you simply misinterpreted what I said, and given that you're the only one in the thread to have done so, it seems you're in the wrong here.
Nobody in this thread has said anything to support what you're saying, what are you talking about? They can't, because it makes no goddamn sense.

>Put up or shut up.
Tell me what to "put up" as concisely as possible and I'd be happy to try.

>Actually describe what's wrong with them, or your critique about them being vapid is hypocritical.
The most concise way to put it is that none of it has any reason at all to exist. It's not trying to be surreal, it's not trying to evoke emotion, it's not meant to do anything. Picking out a specific chord sequence would be incredibly redundant because it's all more or less the same.
Emergency and I by The Dismemberment Plan is the prime example of this, it's just 40 minutes of uninteresting singing about lyrics that make no sense.

>>52973660
No music has any reason to exist in the grand scheme of things. Saying that something shouldn't exist because you don't like it is incredibly arrogant.

>>52973660
>The most concise way to put it is that none of it has any reason at all to exist. It's not trying to be surreal, it's not trying to evoke emotion, it's not meant to do anything.
Subjective. Looking for an objective critique. You can't do it or you already would have.

>>52972367
>these bands include Alt-J

I think you need to reevaluate the reasons you are a pleb

Lol listen to this random obscure bullshit about nothing
Like what does this even correspond to?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMLiFpecgVg

>>52973660
this robot can't feel emotion from Deerhunter or Modest Mouse and he's taking it out on us. Talk to therapist please. We care about you.

>>52973534
I understand The Dismemberment Plan's lyrics, it's random bullshit that corresponds to nothing.

"Red wire: right temple
Black wire: left temple
Red wire: right temple
Black wire: left temple
There are times I think eternal life ain’t such a bad gig
Smoke all you want and see the planets
If and only if they find a way to cure the longing
The distant panic
Someday, I’m telling you
They’ll make a memory machine
To wax our hearts to a blinding sheen
To wash away the grief
Someday, I’m telling you
They’ll make a memory machine
To wax our hearts to a blinding sheen
To wash away the grief
There are folks that say to have a soul you’ve got to suffer
Well lately I’ve had my RDA of that
And call it fascist but I know that someday happy"

>>52973751
bretty good lyrics

>>52973698
It is objective (in most all scenarios) that the lyrics being sung about were never deliberately meant to correspond to anything.
There aren't different interpretations because there was never meant to be any interpretation. It's random bullshit.

>>52973678
I am saying that the people creating the music never had any purpose for it to begin with, they just wanted to make "different music" instead of radio-friendly music for the sake of it.

>>52973494
he can't, because he doesn't even know what pretentious means

>>52973815
bretty random bullshit lyrics
It's random bullshit. It means nothing, was never meant to and exists for absolutely no purpose. It just wants to be underground and intangible for the average "plebian"

>>52973816
And your proof of this is that you don't like it?

>>52973751
b8
no one is this dumb

>>52973816
You're never actually providing substance to your arguments, just saying "I'm right and you're wrong and that's that." Lyrics are only one part of songwriting, to say that's a critique which automatically nullifies a piece of music's worth is idiocy.

>>52973831
pre·ten·tious
prəˈten(t)SHəs/
adjective
attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.

The Talking Heads sing about intangible things that correspond to nothing (random bullshit) for absolutely no reason. If they were attempting to paint a surreal portrait, I'd understand, but they don't. They just want to be different.

>>52972367
>death grips, macintosh plus
>not pretentious

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>>52973729
This song always hits me right in the feels

>>52972367
but anon, /mu/ only listens to 3/8 of those bands

>>52973751
if you can't understand what that means you're retarded

>Death Grips, Godspeed You! Black Emperor and Macintosh Plus
my sides

>>52973866
I am providing substance, it's objective logic about what's deliberate and what has no purpose or reason to exist.

I'm not giving specific scenarios because it would take far too long and it would be incredibly redundant anyway.

The entire album "Emergency and I" by The Dismemberment Plan is one such example of lyrics that mean nothing and have no reason to exist. I'm not saying this just based on the grounds that I don't like them.

Show me some deliberate and sensical Dismemberment Plan lyrics and I'll eat my words. You can't, though.

Wow this whole thread
Just listen to music you enjoy, that's what I do

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>>52972367
>being smart or talented
>/g/
DUDE INSTALL GANOO LMAO

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looks like all of you cant read at all

>start going to /mu/
>see interesting looking bands

>>52973935
I guess I'm retarded, then. Explain what this schmuck is on about and I'll eat my words.

What he's saying seems to be loosely connected to some kind of archive of your life stored on a computer that allows you to live forever, but it seems pretty inconsistent and only half-sensical. Kind of like a stoned 15 year old going on about concepts he learned in his philosophy class.

>>52974003
>I guess I'm retarded, then
There, was that so hard?

>>52972622
That isn't what pretentious means. All three bands you listed epitomize pretentiousness. If this is a troll 8/10

>>52973943
Quote a post where you're giving substance.

It most obviously wouldn't be redundant given that multiple people have asked you to do so.

Who are you to decide why something does or doesn't have a reason to exist? Is the fact that a band wanted to create music not reason enough in your eyes?

>>52974044
You explained nothing.
Lyrics are random bullshit until further notice.

>I legitimately vilify all of you and think you're juvenile morons with no self awareness.

regards, 18 year old moron with no self awareness

>calling music "pretentious"
Don't you see that's the point though? All western music is emotional simulacra. Literal pretense.

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>>52974147
I don't understand

>>52974003
He's saying that he thinks being immortal and happy all the time wouldn't be such a bad idea.
These lyrics are incredibly fucking obvious. Say what you want about the quality but it's certainly not random meaningless bullshit.

>>52974172
Well, music is not emotion, but through learned emotional context, music can simulate emotion.

sorry bro, i think you just don't like those bands

some of us actually really enjoy the music you listed

>>52974189
Alright, song is a poor example then. Maybe TDP is a bad example as a whole if that flew over my head.

It absolutely stands to reason, though. An enormously disproportionate amount of /mu/-core is lyrical random bullshit.

get out, LOSER
let the big boys listen to big boy bands ;)

>>52974251
This. There's nothing pretentious about any of that stuff, or at least, no more so than most other popular music.

>>52973872
You can't prove any of your claims.

>>52974268
Okay then so give an example so you can be disproved again.

>>52974243
I don't think these artists even set out to do that, though. Some of my favorite songs are lyrically random bullshit but I'm strongly inclined to believe that it exists to coerce emotion in you.

I can't say that about bands like The Doors. God, I hate The Doors.

>Women, The Knife and Alt-J are /mu/core
Since when?

Are you guys still bitching about music??

>>52974268
There's more to lyricism than narration.
A lot of bands emphasize vocal texture and implementation over actual lyric poetry.
Also,
>caring about lyrics

>>52974315
The Doors are very much about the psychedelic/intoxicated experience. Not saying you need to take drugs/drink to understand their music, but it'll be easier to understand the appeal of them on a basic level.

>>52974310
Women - Heat Distraction:

Smooth and make as was
Smell come in on the train
Then dunk in sacrone
Left at trow's ennui
All ours anchor
To the aching bone
PROGRAMMED without form
Programmed without sound

Austere known your pen
Throats inside of glass
Hanging next to me
Eyes all disappear
Gloss tones speak in turn
Chew in such a rush
Lands strength a rolling home
Lye doesn't moe down

I found myself awake and walking
The two of you arrive
Backs turned to the spitting
But they have not a dream
No ONE was there
Look towards the bay
Becoming very clear

>>52974359
That's interesting, thanks.

>>52974315
Well, that's because you can't identify with The Doors, so there is no context for you.
I don't like them either, but they're just a rock group.
A lot of music, especially popular music, has the unfortunate tendency of having to build upon the emotional context of already existing music.

>>52974383
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but the band's musical output is more or less musically documenting a certain type of experience. Of course you wouldn't be able to relate to it as much as you could if you haven't had the experience.

>>52974361
This is more like what I was talking about here >>52974355
It seems to be carried by its overall cadence, rather than a narrative, although I'm sure it's about something.
It's what you'd call oblique.

OP is your only objection with Talking Heads or Dismemberment plan that their lyrics don't have some kind of deep underlying theme to them?

Why do you think this is an important enough to completely disregard all other merits of their music? Lyrics are nothing more than a vehicle for presenting the vocals. Do you have any other more concrete issues with the Talking Heads or Modest mouse, specifically about their music and not just the nature of the lyrics.

You keep calling them pretentious, but how are they pretentious in any way. How are they "attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed." in any way? No one except you is claimed what they make is some kind of deep intellectual stimulus. Why can't you see it for what it is, whimsical well crafted and clever music. I understand there are a ton of people who like to prance around about their intellectual superiority for listening to slightly obscure music, but why are you associating that with the artist. Besides, those people are also ridiculed.

Also context is important, most of these bands loved music and dedicated their life to it. The whimsical and somewhat nonsensical nature of the lyrics isn't some half assed attempt to sound deep, they were quite aware of how it comes off as. If you have the slightest idea about their history you'd know how sincere they were to their craft.

I actually enjoy the bands you listed with the exception of Alt-J.
I don't like Alt-J.
It might seem vapid and pretentious to you, but a lot of people enjoy it. Maybe instead of going online to complain about it, you could maybe stop listening? Maybe move on to something else? It's really not difficult.

>>52974502
I am not forcing other people to not enjoy something because I don't, I'm saying that their reasons for doing so seem to be entirely superficial.

>>52974529
So you're not even responding to the actual critiques to your arguments anymore? >>52974489

>>52974529
OK. I wasn't implying that you were forcing anyone to enjoy anything.

What's your point?

>>52974529
What would qualify as a non-superficial reason to enjoy music?
What is a superficial reason to enjoy music?

>>52974529
So it's really unbelievable to you that someone could like this music simply because they enjoy it?

>>52972526
>le edgy drug or homeless reference to dg

>>52974529
>I'm saying that their reasons for doing so seem to be entirely superficial
And you say this while your only critiques so far have to do with the lyrics not being straightforward. Also >>52974579

this thread fuckin owns good shit op

>>52974601
I feel like we're approaching the end of this thread.

>>52974620
We've been going in circles for over an hour now.

>>52974626
Can we just agree that OP is inexperienced, and perhaps therefor a poor judge of what makes music good?

>>52974489
I didn't say it was an absolute that there's no reason for this music to exist, I just said that by and large I look for some reason for this music to have any reason to exist and I can't find any, it seems to consist by and large of pseudo-intellectuals who just want to create something intangible for no reason than they want to be intangible.

>Why can't you see it for what it is, whimsical well crafted and clever music.
If it has no "objective" for lack of a better word to stand on, then it entirely boils down to subjectivity and calling it terrible or well-crafted are both completely valid.
/mu/ doesn't seem to understand that this goes both ways, though.

Astute argument, all in all. I really enjoyed reading that.

>>52974653
>pseudo-intellectuals who just want to create something intangible for no reason than they want to be intangible
Art in a nutshell. Like it or lump it.

>>52974569
Going out of your way to like something because you want to feel (read: feel) more culturered than other people. It's unbelievably juvenile.

>>52974678
I think you misunderstand.

The problem lies in doing something for no other reason than you want people to think you're "cool". There's a plethora of good music that is also intangible and corresponds to nothing.

>>52974680
And you think all people who like a handful of popular music groups feel this way?
You don't seem to have much faith in humanity :^)

>>52974626
Blame 4chan for being a terrible catalyst for conversation.

>>52974700
>doing something for no other reason than you want people to think you're "cool"
Popular music in a nutshell.

>see interesting looking bands
>bands
why is this board so dadcore?

>>52974703
On /mu/? Abso-fuckinglutely.

In the Aeroplane Over the Sea is an album that was renowned by /mu/ to the point where it became a meme how much /mu/ liked this album. When /mu/ stepped back and evaluated that it was now marginally more popular because of this /mu/ started to hate it.
This board is exponentially levels of hipster stupidity.

>>52972367

Maaaaan. Isn't life hard? You've got all these things to enjoy but you find yourself trying to get permission to enjoy these things from other people. I'd work on not giving a fuck m8.

>>52974759
/mu/ =/= the music scene in reality
The only people who act like that on /mu/ are the memeposters who aren't serious about music anyway.

>>52974759
I really liked that album that album before I started going on /mu/. I promise :'^(

>>52972367
OP just because you don't get it doesn't mean it's bad music.

nice blogpost btw

>>52972740
this

come on OP

>>52974821
I learned about if from /mu/, listened to it for a while, and then got over it.
I'm pretty sure I was late to the party, but that's how it goes with popular music. You listen to it for a while, and then maybe you never listen to it again.

>alt-J, American Football, Modest Mouse
ahahhahahahahahha you're listening to trash no wonder

>>52974839
Multiple people asking now OP. I don't believe you can do it.

>>52975034
They might be trash but Modest Mouse is trailer trash

>>52972367
>Talking Heads
>Not catchy

Woah man

OP you're projecting a lot

>>52975081
epic m3m3 i dare say :))))))))

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>>52972367
>Modest Mouse
>Talking Heads
>American Football
>not catchy

sure m80

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dankest thread of 2015 so far

>>52974650

>not getting it

Music is subjective and is appreciated on a variety of qualities.

No one person is right or wrong in defining a piece of music, only with the general majority or against the general majority.

They're are elements of music that are pretty universally sought after and appreciated but people are experimenting with these boundaries to create new ideas that others might enjoy.

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>>52974268
>damage control

>>52975184
Then why are you arguing in the first place?

>>52975184
But OP's gripe doesn't even seem to be with the music itself, but rather with lyric construction and/or the way fans of the music behave, which are not actually aspects of the music.

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Just listen to kpop OP and don't visit any other /mu/ threads.

>>52974653
Well for one thing music doesn't need to have some kind of underlying theme to be "meaningful". It also does not need to justify its existence in any way.

Your notion about the purpose of music seems to clearly differ from the general opinion. Most music isn't thematic and isn't meant to express some concrete idea or message. To most people music is something along the lines of self expression through sound. This may be nonsensical or contradictory if it wants to be. I understand why you are so fond of something like DG or GYBE, they do present certain themes and ideas in a very concrete way.

Also these bands were never trying to be "pretentious" when they wrote these songs. I know "indie" music is associated with a certain subculture famous for it's vapid intellectual snobbery but that's not the bands fault in the slightest and most fans certainly don't fall into this category. Some of the aesthetics and choices of their music was a reaction against certain established norms of their time that they objected to, some was just people exploring different ideas and sensiblities (Some which seems to directly conflict against yours it seems) and some of it was just them having fun and silly for the sake of it. It's incredibly presumptuous to assume that they were doing it just for some superficial cultural currency or w/e.

Also just because these ideas and aesthetics are hailed "cool" now, for somewhat superficial reasons it's certainly not the artists fault.

Also I know /mu/ likes to bring out the subjectivity card all the time but even though that is true, there are still some standards that most people subscribe to and when these are broken most people consider the music to be "bad". Most of the bands you criticised seem to meet these unwritten standards most people subscribe to.

Also I think the biggest issue with your argument is you're overlooking the most central aspects of music and focusing on things of marginal importance.

OP here,

An exaple of real catchy music with heart felt lyrics include anything by Taylor Swift, Katie Perry, Lady Gaga, Ariana Grande, and stuff by various rapper.

>>52975208
I haven't said shit bout any of these bands m8. I like the few OP posted about but that's not the point.

>>52975267
yeah, k-pop would be great for you OP since you think everythings pretentious. Yeah music with substance? fucking pretentious hipster garbage amirite xD

The biggest issue when criticizing music should be about the quality of the music itself, not what it's about. This is where your argument fails, because the music itself is considered by most to be well crafted and interesting. I'm probably not the most qualified person to critically analyze the music though but I'm sure I can find a review or something that does this well enough. (2/2)

>>52975273
>>52975301
Forgot to quote.

>>52975282
You're not OP.
But I like you.

>>52972367

/mu/core are just suggestions of various things people may like, it doesn't mean everything on the list is liked by everyone. Only Marcel takes it as something like that, which is why his top 50 are all /mu/core, but he's 14.

>>52975273
idk m8, there's a lot to be said for aesthetic appeal and stage presence. If we wanted a bunch of tones and rhythms that appeal to our brains we've got hundreds of years worth of composed music along with decades of music that explores simplified structures.

I think these days its more about creating engaging, thought provoking experiences, new tone qualities, and a sense of attachment and community.

>>52972367
liquid dnb is alright, but there's nothing wrong with the bands you called "pretentious". Actually, they're as pleb as the shit you used to listen to.