Thom Yorke on Kayne West (the bottom two tweets are deleted)
WHERE is the lie~
Kanye respects Thom but clearly the feeling is not mutual. Thom probably just feels threatened from the fact when it is all said and done Kanye will be the one history remembers. Radiohead might be mentioned in an article cited as a footnote.
Not really, radiohead write objectively good music. I don't even like Radiohead, but I have to admit that their arrangements are well done.
Kanye is just another dumb nigger that learned some art words. He's the type of person that would namedrop Wreck-It Ralph and Andy Warhol in the same context without a drop of irony
Remember back in the day when Kanye said he was a huge Thom Yorke fan and then during the Grammy's when Radiohead performed he tried to say hi to him backstage and Thom completely ignored him
Really? Is that why EVERYONE in the music scene loses their shit when some Radiohead project is on the works?
Kanye relies on the image he has while Radiohead relies on the music they make.
>Kanye has made good music for longer than Yorke has.
Kanye spends millions of $$ paying collaborators to write, perform and produce music for him....and then he takes the credit.
He's a fucking hack artist.
dude, that's not the point of his argument. listen to their composition and arrangements. Thom and Jonny write intriguing chord progressions and melodies, and "bleeps" are one of many instruments they've utilized within their music.
OK Computer and Kid A are both more cohesive efforts.
MBDTF is sometimes weakened by its Pop sensibilities. It doesn't go as far as it can. However, it also isn't as compositionally strong.
The point is, his "criticism" is pretty fucking stupid and vague and could pretty much be applied to anything. Yorke is just butthurt that p4k likes Kanye instead of radiohead now.
"I wear lampshades on my head and stand in people's living rooms. They're like 'Billy can you go turn on the light?' and I whisper 'you mean turn on the thom yorke' *chortle*" ~ Thom Yorke
>in order for a person to be a good artist, they have to have/routinely display technical skill
I sure hope you enjoy being stuck with photorealistic portraits and landscapes for the rest of your life. I'm sure it'll be worth it, anon.
>Name something MBDTF does BETTER than Kid A.
Better production. Better lyrical themes. MBDTF was a critique of society and a character study of Kanye West himself. Pretty unique
Kid A lyrics were literally pulled out of a hat. OK computer is better than mbdtf. NOT fucking Kid A though.
But you're a Radiohead fanboy, so you'll obviously dismiss anything and everything I say to take Thom Yorke's cock deep in your asshole.
Your response will obviously be something along the lines of "lel pleb"
That's true, but to say that Warhol was a "bad artist" you would have to have a pretty sparse knowledge of what his work was about and how art is generally critically judged.
As a side note, I was making fun of neoclassicists. Romanticism is one of the GOAT artistic schools of thought.
>mfw these are actually lyrics for one of the songs on LP9
>Kid A an equally revealing look into Thom Yorke's mind circa 2000
Lyrics were pulled out of a hat. And the lyrics aren't very interesting. It maybe has slight themes of depression among other things, but nothing really critical or worth looking into really.
In terms of what? The compositions? Laughably false. The compositions were massively superior on Kid A. Look at the Jazz jam in National Anthem. Look at the string arrangement in HTDC.
In sampling? Again wrong. Idioteque's sampling of Avantgarde classical music was a more profound artistic move than any sample on MBDTF.
Lyrics are irrelevant. I asked for musical factors.
You are too attached to Kanye West, as evidenced by your pointing out of:
>and a character study of Kanye West himself. Pretty unique
I seen grannie's panties harder than that fuccnigga kanye
-Thom "Jackknifed Juggernaut" Yorke
>Let's have a toast for the douchebags,
>Let's have a toast for the assholes,
>Let's have a toast for the scumbags,
>Every one of them that I know
>Let's have a toast to the jerkoffs
>That'll never take work off
>"10/10" - Pitchfork
I can cherrypick, too, fag.
I like MBDTF, I acknowledge that it does some things rather well, but fuck if it's not handily his most overrated album. Songs like So Appalled and Blame Game and at best well-meaning clunkers. I'd put half of Kanye's own albums over it, let alone fucking Kid A.
"I once got hit with a taser at a concert and everyone thought I was dancing. Now I have to do that dance, at every show for the rest of my life, or admit that a taser can damage the Thom Yorke."
>The compositions were massively superior on Kid A.
>Look at the Jazz jam in National Anthem
>Look at the string arrangement in HTDC
Nothing special really.
>Lyrics are irrelevant
>You are too attached to Kanye West, as evidenced by your pointing out of:
How? Pointing out the things in the album doesn't make me attatched.
>Idioteque's sampling of Avantgarde classical music was a more profound artistic move than any sample on MBDTF
But it wasn't. That sample was only there just so it could be there, not really profound. Mbdtf contains samples from nearly every genre and references kanye's career as a whole.
Also you said
>Name something MBDTF does BETTER than Kid A.
It does plenty of things better.
Just a basic definition of the emperor's clothes thing: "used in reference to a situation in which people believe or pretend to believe in the worth or importance of something that is worthless, or fear to point out an obvious truth that is counter to prevailing opinion." I think a lot of people pretend to like Radiohead (maybe not people on this board, but definitely the average music listener) You know you could obviously point out that Radiohead is derivative of U2 and Pink Floyd and Warp records acts.
those are great though they have a weight to them and an accusatory tone attacking the state of affairs in popular culture at the time, delivered in a straight up and raw way, unlike the nonsense yorke gurgles out under the guise of metaphor
>Nothing special really.
Give me something from MBDTF which is "more special" than those arrangements.
>That sample was only there just so it could be there, not really profound.
It was there to enhance the music instead of enhancing ego.
I honestly can't tell if you are trolling me.
Oh I mean I would never say that Radiohead is a wholly original act, or that they are incredibly revolutionary. But they've put a lot of things out to a very wide audience that is quite challenging. Look at the dissonant jam in National Anthem: at Pink Floyd's peak, they never released anything that bold.
>those are great though they have a weight to them and an accusatory tone attacking the state of affairs in popular culture at the time, delivered in a straight up and raw way, unlike the nonsense yorke gurgles out under the guise of metaphor
Holy shit. Am I being rused? It seems really moronic to accuse Thom Yorke of being an abstruse hack and then give Kanye the artistic benefit of the doubt. You're basically just engaging in the same mental gymnastics that you accuse Radiohead fans of.
This is a dumb thing to do and you come across as dumb for doing it.
>There's literally no point in arguing with blind fanboys like you.
Every rebuttal you make amounts to "No it's not" and "No they don't". Why on Earth would you be taken seriously?
Objectively, MBDTF is better.
Reminder, this is objectively speaking, no opinions here.
>Every rebuttal you make amounts to "No it's not" and "No they don't".
As opposed to? >>52768664
"It's like totally more profound dude, jazz jams and shit. string arrangements and stuff"
I could give an analysis of the samples, production, and lyrical themes throughout, but it really doesn't matter, your opinion is dead set.
>I could give an analysis of the samples, production, and lyrical themes throughout, but it really doesn't matter, your opinion is dead set.
I'm not that guy, and I'm interested, if only so I know more about the album.
>You haven't really given any points this entire time.
You haven't either then.
"Jazz jams dude, better improv, better string arrangements,."
Any analysis or argument I would attempt to make would get shot down by "ur reading too much into it" or "lel this is what kanyefags believe."
>and there was no benefit of the doubt given there
Then what makes Kanye's illiterate lyrical fuckups any better than Thom Yorke's, and why is it that Radiohead's reliance on metaphor is bullshit but Kanye's lyrical ineptitude is actually profound?
I won't right now because see.
There's no point in wasting my time with people who refuse to have discussions. It doesn't matter what I write, the end result is the same.
I hope everyone realizes:
Just because you think your voice won't be heard doesn't make you exempt from criticism, and doesn't make you a valid voice in a debate.
If you choose not to reply to criticisms for fear of being misunderstood, you effectively have no points, no argument.
thom must have regressed back to his 90/00s whiny little hormonal bitch even though im in my 30s persona
Shame cause the modern era dancing happy favourite uncle thom was much more likable
on the plus side this might mean the next radiohead album will be a classic.
Bottom line, Kanye > Thom.
Well hiddidie hoe maybe I will put on my silly cone hat and dance around as I listen to it. Maybe I will give yr mum and dad a good fuck in the ass each while I do it too. Because Devo are so nice and they write songs about me it's the most fitting tribute I can muster for them. Thanks for the epin suggestion, friendo.
>I just needed time alone with my own thoughts
>Got treasures in my mind but couldn’t open up my own vault
>My childlike creativity, purity and honesty
>Is honestly being crowded by these grown thoughts
>Reality is catching up with me
>Taking my inner child, I’m fighting for custody
> We've got heads on sticks
>You've got ventriloquists
>We've got heads on sticks
>You've got ventriloquists
> Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon
> There are two colours in my head
>There are two colours in my head
>What is that you tried to say?
>What was that you tried to say?
>Tried to say.. tried to say..
Daily reminder that it's saturday night prime-time and you just sent a stranger on the internet a message about raping someone's parents in the ass because they called you out for making a mistake
>Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon
Wow so fucking deep he's referring to the affairs on the state of the human mind struggles with society. bravo tom these lyrics were totally not randomly picked out of a hat.
Definitely among Kanye's finer lines, but I do actually like the heads on sticks/ventriloquists bit. That's some really morbid imagery right there. Kid A's title track as a whole is pretty unsettling. And the sucking a lemon thing was a reflection on how Thom felt during the OKC era. Pretty straightforward in that context.
I could do a full harmonic analysis of their music to prove this, sure.
The harmonies are more rich: Yorke is more inclined to utilize dissonance and multiple tonalities.
Between the vocal, string, and synth lines in All I Need, for example, you have the keys of C Major, e minor, and G Major.
There hasn't been a convincing argument made yet.
I've asked for one multiple times though.
Lyrics are irrelevant.
But fuck my word! How about Steve Reich's?
>He found two songs were particularly memorable: their classic "Everything in Its Right Place," from the 2000 album Kid A, and the more recent and upbeat "Jigsaw Falling into Place," from the 2007 album In Rainbows. Reich describes "Jigsaw" as "a beautiful song" featuring "elaborate harmonic movement." "Everything" he calls "a very rich song. It's very simple and very complex at the same time." "It's three-chord rock but it's not, it's very unusual." He explains that although the song is in the key F minor, the F minor chord never appears. Reich also comments that the word "everything" is sung to tonic–dominant–tonic, echoing, probably unconsciously, the dominant–tonic chords that form "the end of everything in classical music ... it's perfect, it is everything."
>The harmonies are more rich
Thanks, what makes them more rich?
>Yorke is more inclined to utilize dissonance and multiple tonalities
What makes this interesting?
>Between the vocal, string, and synth lines in All I Need, for example, you have the keys of C Major, e minor, and G Major.
What makes this interesting?
>Reich describes "Jigsaw" as "a beautiful song
What makes it beautiful?
>elaborate harmonic movement
What makes it elaborate?
>'s very simple and very complex at the same time
What makes it complex?
>He explains that although the song is in the key F minor, the F minor chord never appears
Why does that make it good?
>preference for rap music is significantly negatively correlated with intelligence
Not that guy, but if you get ridiculously reductionist with every single point raised about the merit of art, then eventually you're going to hit the point where "what makes it beautiful?" doesn't have an objective answer. It's just because that's what mainstream academia has identified as deserving of merit for one reason or another.
You avoided my question
>Do you know anything about Music Theory?
Either way, I doubt you could name another song that uses multiple keys.
Steve Reich is an actual expert in the field of music though. This isn't irrelevant.