What's the best produced album you've ever heard?
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I didn't know which album of his had the best production, but I hear it's pretty good.
I also know very little about production and was hoping to get a clue out of an answer someone would give.
>"best produced album"
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in the case of MBDTF
>So yeah, I loved the "Runaway" movie. I loved how in-between it was. I loved how you got the sense that Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy was never over, because the movie had different versions of the same songs that were on the album. The mixing was different, the mastering wasn't as hot. At one point, I talked to one of the guys who mixed My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy to potentially mix this album, and I was like, "I love that album so much, I love the production, and I love the way it feels-- but does it have to be so hot?" It literally sounds lower-fi than it probably did when they were working on it because it's mastered so fucking hot. I was like, "Why did you do that?" And he was like, "That's just what Kanye wants. He just wants it to be louder than Jay's album." I love that.
So not only was the album mixed hot as fuck, it was mastered by Vlado Meller aka the same guy who mastered Californication
P'aps Peter Gabriel's "So" or even "up". Shit is unsane what they did and how they did it. Big big big production stuff. A gigantic mess that somehow amazingly crafted music emerged from.
There is literally nothing wrong with this. It is the modern way things are done. Everything is compressed and the listener controls the volume. I'm not saying it's necessarily good, but virtually every mainstream artist today is produced this way and it is an idiotic critisism to point this out as a reason for inferior production.
except there is something wrong with it because Vlado Meller just threw a bunch of hard limiters at it which causes it to distort like shit at every peak, instead of joining the rest of us in the 21st century and using decent transparent limiting techniques to make it louder without fucking the smoothness of the whole thing
>"There is literally nothing wrong with this. It is the modern way things are done. Everything is compressed and the listener controls the volume".
>I have absolutely no idea what compression is and I have no clue what I'm talking about
somethin' by Ye or something by Flying Lotus.
im gonna say either MBDTF, Late Registration, Enter the Wu-Tang, The Chronic, Until the Quiet Comes, Kid A
do hipsters actually believe El-P is a more interesting producer than Kanye West?
>do hipsters actually believe El-P is a more interesting producer than Kanye West?
says the guy praising MBDTF and Flying Lotus
Actually I'm in school learning audio production from people who have produced gold records and they will straight up told us this shit. Like I said, it is not necessarily good, but it is the industry standard today. That is how shit is done, everything is a brickwall. Dynamics are sacrificed because loudness sells. The main goal of producers today is to find other ways to make compositions interesting without relying on dynamics, instead manipulating timbre is the most important thing used to keep the listeners attention. To critisize it is St in this context because u are faulting music for conforming to the industry standard at the time it was made. Its like if u were criticizing an album made today for not using analog recording instead of digital. Times change. Someday things will change again and dynamics will be in vouge, but since that's not the case when the music in question was produced, you are an idiot.
>implying p4k has ever gotten off of Kanye's dick
>but it is the industry standard today. That is how shit is done, everything is a brickwall
Wow mate you are wasting your money then. There is nothing wrong with compression. But when you can hear clipping on an album, you have every fucking right to complain about the mixing/mastering of it, and no, contrary to what your overpriced diploma mill "audio production school" has told you, there are many ways to intelligently compress an album without butchering it a la Vlado Meller
> Its like if u were criticizing an album made today for not using analog recording instead of digital
Not it isn't you fucking retard. It is like comparing a 15 year old trying to master in FLoops to a "professional" mastering job that sounds like absolute shit
I hope mommy is paying for your school, idiot
never said that, but your pleb is showing by calling Kanye and FlyLo "good production" when both cannot keep their hands off their brickwall compressors. You could argue it works to a certain extent for FlyLo's work, but still, there is absolutely nothing interesting from a production/mixing point of view about either
Clearly you are retarded because you think a brickwall means it's clipping, where the fuck do u think the brick wall comes from? It's compression. That's why posts like this>>52583645, that u are defending, are retarded.
no, I meant because I bought the fucking album and I was listening to it at a low volume and I could hear clipping. That's why I said it sounds like shit, and virtually everybody who doesn't own a Niggatech 2.0 setup would agree with me
But keep pretending your diploma mill means you "know" about production, idiot
Not the point. A casual listener would have a hard time telling you a well produced album from a shit one. Someone naming 2 of the most mediocre producers when it comes to you know, "production" reeks of ignorance
>I like the album therefore it's good production
That's not how it works
>What's the best produced album you've ever heard?
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You really don't know what "production" is if your posting Kanye as a good example lol
If you read the whole thread, I said I don't know shit about production, but also that I HEARD he had good production.
But someone said I ACTUALLY heard that he had good HH production... arrangement and stuff.
Love V, one of the best tracks on the album (Metatron One also up there). It's amazing how the whole thing sounds so varied and luxurious, I can't imagine they had much resources to work with.
Waddy always teams up with great producers. Even Dj Hi-Tek is brilliant (his solo stuff was a nice surprise).
The actual recording of the sound, as opposed to writing the music, or performing it. The producer oversees the recording sessions and usually has some input in the artistic process
Well it's quite varied, from Aphex Twin like ambient stuff at the backend of the album to trip hop to fairly straight forward stuff. Best to label it under 'experimental hip hop'.
Or maybe Dr. Octagonecologyst. Pretty much anything produced by Automator.
the only distortions I remember on that album that someone might hear as clipping, were some of the vocals, where it is clearly done as an effect, not unlike how faggots like Jack White use shit mics sometimes for effect. Then again, I'm not gonna go listen to the some shitty album like MBDTF again just to argue with u fools. I would encourage you though to find a single criticism of the album, mind you this was a massive album with loads of public writing about it, that faults it for having actual clipping as a production error. If you can find just one credible source saying that, I would concede your position, but I am pretty sure u won't find any. >>52586729
>Everything is compressed and the listener controls the volume.
I'd prefer it if the music wasn't ultra compressed and there was at least some dynamics in the music.
And guess what? I'd still be able to control the volume.
i would too. The greatest irony about our times in music is now that we record digital where there is no limits on dynamic range like on tape, we decided to change things to get rid of dynamics.
Also, to those other guys I actually just Google Kane and clipping to see if i could find what u were talking about. All I found was one guys blog(I think it was a blog idk) where he complains about the 'clipping' on MbdTf and most of what he talks about is a result of compression, like what's her faces intro vocal on the album he complains about the plosives clipping, which is really just something a deesser should have fixed. He also complains about other vocals and drums clipping and it's all just the compression. It is just the style of production. Like if you ever listen to anything on the radio, everything is compressed to hell there too, on commercials and things. It's not really the same as saying it's clipping, it's just made to be dry as fuck and in your face, which is the way nearly all drums are produced in hip hop. If u think it sounds unnatural it is, everything is made to feel like your ear is an inch away from it, especially drums and vocals. There's a difference between being over compressed and loudness distortion.
Its funny this makes me think of one time we we in class at school and our teacher was showing us how compression works. We recorded and acoustic guitar and listened to it with and without it. Some people in my class liked it one way, some the other.its just a preference. We would be working on projects though and our professor would literally say, 'make sure you remember to put a compressor on your master track before you had this in so you get a nice brickwall'
>What's the best produced album you've ever heard? Pic might be related
>pic of kanye west
i legit kek'd but knowing /mu/ these days this probably isn't b8
yeezus is the best production i've heard, the lyrics are shit tho
people who are arguing that good production isn't what sounds good are wrong
this and LOG's ashes of the wake for tidy metal production