So what is it with feminists and making shitty punk bands?

>2014
>Punk

Women are hilarious.

>>52399585
They secretly want to be men.

>>52399593
Not to mention that they are fuckin awful at it

>>52399585
>against me
>women

lol

>>52399585
Basically they're appropriating someone else's culture, completely unaware of the irony. It's not entirely their fault though, because they only understand the punk aesthetic on the most superficial level, so they actually think it's a good fit for their ideology.

>Transgender Dysphoria Blues
>One of the most important records of the century

Nevermind the actual music, the singer is trans so this is a masterpiece of its medium.

>vulture.com

>>52399585
it doesn't take much skill, and is usually pretty shallow.

just like feminism

>>52399620
/thread

>>52399620
Yeah punk isnt exactly technical but even for punk standards its bottom of the barrel pure shit.

>>52399602
If you think punk is anything other than hardleft and third wave feminist you have literally no idea what punk is and no grasp of its history.

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>>52399585
>Anika Pyle

Really now

Is there anyone who listens to PP for Meredith?
I mean, the band is shit, but she's even worse.
And that Against Me person is a tranny, and the other bands are literally who.

>>52399599

This

>>52399610

Reminds me of when I read that review about the new Perfume Genious record were the quintessence was that it's a "gay record" and that makes it extra good.

PG is pretty cool though.

>>52399625
Perfect example of somebody who was born after 1996 and thinks they understand punk.

>being anti-feminist
>punk
pick one

http://pastebin.com/XcsDDTYp

[spoiler]It mentions Beyonce too, because it is literally impossible for any feminist music discussion in 2014 to not include Beyonce.[/spoiler]

As an actual woman trying to make music, I find it insulting when they include transgender people as women. "Oh, I spent my entire life as a privileged male, but now I'm a girl! Stop oppressing me!"

>>52399638
95% of punk bands would beat the shit out of you buddy.

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>>52399654

t-triggered

>>52399585

Ever notice how women only flock to music that involves a subculture and fashion style?

>>52399654
ok bro

>>52399654
prepare to get a million replies

>>52399664
No not really
women make all kinds of music

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>>52399664
>music that involves a subculture and fashion style
every genre ever.

>>52399672

lol, ok man

>>52399638
I was born in 1991 but the only thing I need to understand about punk was that when it died and turned into deathrock/gothrock in the early 70s and 80s it was the best thing to ever happen to it

The only thing wrong with this is that women have always been in punk, they're just more visible now.

>>52399702
No the problem is that its total shit and only get attention because of the sjw bandwagon

>>52399715
this is correct
>>52399702
this is incorrect

>>52399636
this. i feel like the only reason gay/trans/women-fronted bands get this much press is for brownie points from the music press' tumblr-core readers. as a gay guy who makes music, it's a pain in the ass for someone to take your work and lump it into the festering pile of shit that is "queer art"

>>52399632
Why the fuck else would you listen to them? Her lyrics and vocals are the main reason they're popular.

also
>muh edgy transphobia
>if i haven't kept up and heard of new bands they're not popular
yawn

>>52399654
a-are a girl

be my gf pls

>>52399654
They're still women though.

Heres a punk band with a female lead that is actually good
Only she isnt a femanazi sjw so you will never hear about her on tumblr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMtx8mizzck

>>52399720
>>52399715
nope
go back to /mra/ or /theredpill/ or /fuckboysanonymous/

>>52399654
pls be in london

>>52399724
Okay Meredith, that's enough internet for you for today.

>>52399756
LONDON
O
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D
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Have you guys actually listened to White Lung though? They're really good.

>>52399702
Yeah, feminist punk is old as hell. See Crass, Bikini Kill, X-Ray Spex, etc.

>>52399777
p4k please

>>52399784
You didn't answer my question

>>52399801
>>52399784
>>52399777
YES I HAVE THEY ARE SHIT SHUT LE FUGG UP

>>52399692
>when it died and turned into deathrock/gothrock in the early 70s and 80s

How can one man be this stupid?

>>52399654
>trying to make music

pls give samples

>>52399672
No, they really don't.

>>52399657
lol no
punk kids are fucking scrawny and don't know how to fight 95% of the time
also a lot of them are womemes so there's that too
>>52399678
Most genres, but not all.
>>52399610
yeah it was trash
>>52399623
yeah, it's not technical, but you can definitely tell the bad musicians from the good ones in punk. if you're gonna play simple, you have to perfect that technique or else it's gonna sound like shit.

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Of all the genres you can attack you choose the one most open to women getting involved.

>>52399753
are you even being serious?
This is the most bland and mediochre poorly rewashed punk rock ive ever heard.
DO you honestly think they would have a name to them by the least if it wasnt for them being feminazi try hards to appeal to the tumblr sjw?
The feminist band wagon shit is the only thing that keeps them rolling at all

Why do people listen to punk at all? Female-fronted or not, it's easily the worst genre of music.

>>52399723
I think I remember reading about how a lot of people called Husker Du "gay" punk or something during their time.

>>52399834

Out of curiosity what punk have you listened to?

>>52399834
>being this ignorant of the history of modern music
>excluding a genre as fucking massive as punk
>being a fucking pleb

>>52399748
belgrado are leftist anarchists you dumb fuck. honestly, do you really think any band led by a woman isn't going to be feminist? pull your head out of your arse.

>>52399834
ever heard of hip-hop? its basically baboons screaming into the mic about muh dick while some white beta-cuck in teh background churns out generic beats

>>52399834
It has energy and is a bit more loose and humorous than most genres.

But yes, a lot of it is unbridled shit.

>>52399820
name something women don't make

>>52399822
>calling shitty female musicians shitty because they are shitty and bad for the genre
>must be sexest against wimenz

>>52399864
Good music.

>>52399864

Important decisions.

>>52399654
I find it insulting that you're insinuating they shouldn't be included as women. There's nothing privileged about having dysphoria.

>>52399871

What are you talking about I'm referring to the article.

>>52399610
>the singer is trans
To be perfectly honest, that's a bit of a milestone in popular music. Yeah, nevermind the actual music.

>>52399877
I don't care what men think. You're not a woman. Stop already.

>>52399879
No, it really isn't.

>>52399879

No it's not.

>Why D’Angelo’s New Album Black Messiah Makes You Want to Have Sex

Guys I don't think you should take this website very seriously.

>>52399879
Its like when a shitty metal band has a female lead
People will act like its good just because of the female singer

>>52399891
I'm not a woman? Huh. My vagina disagrees.

Do you have an argument or are you just gonna keep wining?

>>52399909
They didn't say the band was good, they just said it was a milestone. Which it totally is in popular music. Even if the milestone is a shitty milestone.

>>52399924

w-will u be my gf

>>52399924
>implying there are girls on the internet

>>52399945
No, it really isn't. Themes like transgenders, crossdressers and the like have been used in popular music for a long, long time.

>>52399901
why are you surprised that that's an article posted about a soul album? that's been a standard understanding of the genre since before marvin gaye.

>>52399864
Sense

They only chose punk because it's the only genre were not being able to play isn't held against you.

>>52399876
>muh edge
you realise misogyny is mainstream and normative right? wow, so cool, you're just like your crustyass dad and grandpa!

>>52399953
>themes like transgenders, crossgenders and the like
>themes

Name another popular transgender artist.

>>52399954
>marvin gaye.
>sexual soul music
and that's why he got shot by his dad.

>>52399924
That just makes your position even more bizarre. Have fun defending creeps I guess.

>>52399945

>who is Jayne County

>>52399654
Do you seriously think a transgender woman is more privileged that you? Are you that deluded?

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observe em

How is "taking over" feminist?

Surely "2014: The Year Women Were Well-Representedd in the Punk Genre" is more feminist, no?

In my experience feminism seems to be more of a points-scoring contest and an amateur rebellion against daddy

>>52399972
Genesis P. Orridge is a fairly popular one. Jayne County too.

>>52399977
I don't see how it makes my position bizarre; there's nothing creepy about being trans, just a lot of pain. As the partner of an FTM dude, I know a lot about gender dysphoria. Transition is the most feasible and sensible treatment for gender dysphoria. I don't see whats "creepy" about that.

>>52399585
>White women

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>>52399654
Reminds me of when everyone was all hype about a female player was winning SC2 tournaments and it was just a pre-op tranny

I think that was when I stopped giving a shit about video games

>>52399992
Somebody who is biologically male and raised as a man will *always* be a man, even if he's creepy enough to think otherwise. It's not an accomplishment for women if a fucking man does it. I don't see why this is so hard for you to get.

>>52399585
Do feminist not realize what they're doing isnt really progressive at all

>>52400006
Come on, this is just delusional. You're like a furry acting like his diaper fetish is the most normal thing in the world. Look, you can have whatever deviant shit you want, you could put a cock on your forehead for all I care, if you feel it should be done and it brings you joy then by all means do it, but don't act like it's nothing out of the ordinary.

>>52400032
>radscum
>2014

>>52400005
Jayne County is a fair enough point but in what way is Throbbing Gristle in any way a part of popular music?

>>52400006
See, I knew you were related to a tranny in some way.
You're the type of idiot who lets a man fuck her with his cock and then calls herself a lesbian. Who cares what you think

>>52400004

It's just feminists jerking each other off. They do this about fucking everything.

>>52400059
>Throbbing Gristle
>not popular
That's a one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_music
That's a two.

>>52400032
Isn't that completely devaluing their identities?

>>52400048
I never said it wasn't out of the ordinary, you're pulling arguments out of nowhere. Gender dysphoria is a condition. Transition is the treatment. It's that simple. The difference between having dysphoria and being a furry is that being a furry is a conscious choice. Having gender dysphoria is not a choice. Choosing to transition is, yes, but it's only a choice as much as taking medicine to cure a disease is a choice.

You clearly know nothing about dysphoria, so you should leave this argument. You're clearly lacking the information or experience necessary to participate. It's not just "oh I think I'll be a girl now", it's a condition with severe symptoms.

>>52400061
>You're the type of idiot who lets a man fuck her with his cock and then calls herself a lesbian.
lmao what
it makes so little sense in context that this has to be some sort of projection.

>>52400059
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popular_music_genres
yathink

>>52400005
Breyer isn't exactly trans...

>>52400103
>being a furry is a conscious choice.
Fetishes are a conscious choice?

>>52400082
Do you have a single original thought or do you just throw around buzzwords that other people reblog

the whole idea behind privilege is that it's not just something you can shed whenever you feel like it. If you don't want to be a man, that doesn't magically make you not one. it's so goddamn insulting to see 6 foot tall, white, penis-packing scumbags using this kind of language as if they were somehow victims. the only identities they devalue are those of actual women

>>52400122
Being a furry isn't necessarily a fetish, in all cases.

>>52400061
No, my partner is FTM. Meaning female to male. Meaning he has a vagina.

Who cares what I think? Well, considering I have more than a cursory understanding of gender dysphoria, I'd say more people than those who care what you think, at least on this topic.

>>52400129

Of course not, some people are just fucked up and part of the mystery of God's creation

>>52400103
>Choosing to transition is, yes, but it's only a choice as much as taking medicine to cure a disease is a choice.

No, it really isn't. You're a man and you choose to become a woman. That simple.

>being a furry is a conscious choice
lel what

Well, you've demonstrated your level of intelligence already but I still feel the need to inform you of this: you're a fucking dumbass :^) .

>>52400129
>Being a furry isn't necessarily a fetish
I can't see anyone feeling comfortable being a furry and not being into being a furry, in a sexual way.

>>52400114
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popular_music_genres

>Wikipedia

Yeah, any article that refers to deathrock as "popular" is full of shit.

You guys know I meant "popular in the mainstream", not "popular in a niche subculture", right?

>>52400134
> Meaning he has a vagina.
As ridiculous as this sounds it's not hurting anybody at least. i only have a problem with FTMs.

>>52399654
I find it insulting as a person that you think you have the right to be offended how people identify themselves.

>>52400127
But transwomen don't have this "male privilege" you keep harping on about. They face more shit than you do, so stop trying to paint yourself as the ultimate victim.

Wow. Women have no problem discriminating and being bigoted either. Have fun feeling like troubled men are imposing on your gender.

>>52400151
No, a transgender woman is a person born biologically male who suffers from gender dysphoria. To escape the crushing psychological trauma, she transitions. It's not simple. There are stages in between.

If something was causing you grief and suicidal agony every day of your life, is the way out really a choice?

Being a furry is a choice, as in doing the things furry do and engaging in furry culture. Being aroused by furry porn is not.

I'm the dumbass? Haha, you could teach me a few things about being a dumbass.

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>>52399585

This is such a stupid article because it clearly has no knowledge of punk or music in general and just jumps on a bandwagon trend of saying that this has been a year of "feminist punk," when women have had an important presence on punk since its inception. Where's the love for Crass, X-Ray Spex, The Slits, Bikini Kill, etc.? This is Buzzfeed-tier. It's like when websites suddenly started to talk about R&B again like it just materialized out of nowhere, after ignoring it for nearly a decade.

Anyway, this thread, just like all /mu/ threads about minorities or women, is embarrassing.

>>52399585
THis is a thread about femenist hijacking punk
Stop bitching about muh privilege
Deviants are deviants so they dont deserve privilege.

>>52400168
>I only have a problem with FTMs

You have a problem with female-to-male transgender folk? Didn't you just say it's not hurting anybody? Or did you mean to type MTF?

If so then you're a hypocrite. A male to female is creepy but female to male isn't? How?

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>>52400201

>seeing support for trans women on 4chan

>>52400178
ffs yes they do! during their most crucial developmental years they were treated as boys and afforded all the advantages of it. they were encouraged to pursue science, technology, music, and other things off-limits to girls their age. and now they want to be recognized as "women in science/tech/music" at the expense of actual women trying their hardest. Sorry, but that is bullshit. You can put your fingers in your ears and your dick between your legs, but it doesn't change the facts.

>>52400237
I support all trans folk, partially because my boyfriend is FTM, but mostly because I'm a decent person.

>>52400211

This guy gets it.

>>52400201
Dressing up as a furry is as much of a choice as transitioning or drinking horse piss. You think just because you suffer gender dysphoria you are the only one allowed to go on a quest to find your own sexual identity?
At some point, if transgederism is good on your eyes, all those other behaviours derivated from fetishism must be just as good, as long as it doesn't involve rape or children.

>>52400232
yes I meant MTF.
female to male isn't creepy because women are not empowered and pretending to be a man, while pathetic, doesn't encroach upon a community of marginalized people. The other way around is absolutely disgusting and should not be tolerated

if you're a man who likes to think he's a girl, then fuck off and stick with your perverted bro friends. don't try to make inroads on womens' progress.

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>>52400250
>i support deviancy and a degenerate society because im a decent person

>>52400246
>they were encouraged to pursue science, technology, music, and other things off-limits to girls their age

How are any of those things off-limits to girls? I think you're mistaking the decade we live in with a different one.

Also during their formative years they're pressured to pursue activities and roles that don't match who they feel themselves to be and are in constant pain because of dysphoria.

Sorry, that is bullshit.

>>52400250
You're one of the good ones. Sincerely, a trans woman.

>>52400288
>How are any of those things off-limits to girls? I think you're mistaking the decade we live in with a different one.
aaaaaand here's the party where tranny-lovers become indistinguishable from MRA assholes. I knew it was coming!

I want to be a little girl.

>>52400262
Nah, it's as much a choice as taking medicine or dying. If you don't understand that, you don't understand dysphoria and have no place in this conversation.

Also I don't think trans folk are the only ones allowed to go on voyages of personal discovery, when did I say that?

God you're an idiot.

>>52400295
alright, now to abandon this thread while my blood pressure is still low.

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>>52400295
You are screwed up in the head and psychologically broken to the point you dont even know your own gender.
Supporting people like you is like supporting beastiality, pedophilia or psychopaths

>>52400309
>as taking medicine or dying
Is a hyperbole confirmed by pseudoscience.
Nobody has died as a direct result of not being a girl when they think they should've. You rely on that so much and it's absolute bullshit.

>>52399585
>[Against Me! having a transexual frontman] could make 2014 the most important year for punk.

Jesus Christ

>>52400246
You can't just group them all of them under the same umbrella, you radical feminist. They were probably questioning their identity from a young age, how do you know they weren't constantly shunned by their family and peers for exhibiting 'feminine behaviour'? Plus, if you secure a good education none of those things are off-limits to girls, you just have to work harder. I'm a girl too, and I'm getting into the science.

>>52400303
Being a little girl isn't a good feel, anon.

>>52400280
And you have demonstrated your idiocy and hypocrisy no more thoroughly than with this post.

The problem with that stance is that it assigns transmen, FTM folks, as marginilzed women, which contradicts your reasoning for opposing MTFs from transitioning.

If you understood anything about dysphoria, you'd realize that all the privileges of being born male are nullified by dysphoria. It's not just "ew I don't like being a boy", it's a crushing weight that threatens one's life.

Which is why I'm trying so hard to help my boyfriend get his top surgery to remove his breasts. His female body is killing him.

>>52399873
>gubaidulina

>>52400327
>Nobody has died as a direct result of not being a girl when they think they should've

Except, you know, all those trans folks who commited suicide from the pain of dysphoria because they didn't have access to trans resources, but I guess they didn't exist, huh?

You underestimate dysphoria. Don't.

>>52399715
but 90's girl bands were really good dude

>>52399720
this is incorrect

>>52400211
but it wasnt feminist punk you stupid jerk.

>>52400326
>Supporting people like you is like supporting beastiality, pedophilia or psychopaths

Oh, remember that accusation of hyperbole you made earlier? Yeah if you could not be equally hyperbolic that'd be rad.

Pedophiles attack children. Transgender folk aim to end a war with their body. Not the same.

>>52400412
>Transgender folk attack women
fixed

>>52400327
Transwomen are more likely to be murdered.

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>>52400380
Who fucking cares.
They are fucked in the head.
Deviants make me sick.
>Im a fucked up psycho and a sick pervert so feel bad for me
GTFO faggot

>>52400428
Nice, repeating your flawed assertion without contributing anything new to the conversation. You're a gem.

>>52400246
You know as a MtF myself, I have to say this is a valid point. Granted, it should be taken on a case-by-case basis and doesn't really apply to a lot of the younger transitions (or just people who transitioned when they weren't in a privileged position) but someone like say the Against Me!, it definitely applies. Yes, she's a woman, but no, what she did was not an accomplishment for women because she achieved her fame while living as a man (it was an inspiration for some transgender people though).

And as for me, when I was in high school, had I pursued the opportunities that people were trying to hand to me, I probably could've been quite successful so that's a fair point (at least where I lived, I know plenty of those things wouldn't have been given to me had I been seen as female). Teachers thought I was a genius and I was given such things as free tours of prestigious science laboratories because my teacher wanted me to pursue something he thought was my level.

But I was depressed due to dysphoria and other factors, so I never took advantage of any of that stuff, I nearly flunked out of high school, I ran away from home and eventually ended up getting a job working at a grocery store with people so bottom-of-the-barrel, they can't wash themselves or spell words like "aisle". And since I came out as transgender years ago, I have lost any chance of ever improving my life situation even though the depression is now slowly dissipating.

At this point, getting female privilege would be a step-up but I have no access to either male or female privilege. A lot of people don't even regard me as human. However, if people do some day accept me as a woman and I accomplished some sort of feat as a woman, it would be an achievement for women. That's never going to happen to me but it will with other transgender individuals and if you're not okay with that, you should probably just go full Neanderthal and live in caves so you don't have to watch the world progress.

>>52400380
Fuck off, transgendered people can't even pinpoint at what their origin of distress is. Is it social constructs? Is it of biological origin? Maybe they actually just felt depressed for real.
The real kicker is that getting the operation is not a real treatment. Transgendered people kill themselves just as much. It's literally a treatment that is supported by pseudoscience and the best of intentions.

>>52400412
>Pedophiles attack children
Not every person who is attracted to children attacks them or supports the production and distribution of child pornography.

...can we just go back to endless Jenny Death threads please? this is pretty shit even by /mu/ standards

>>52400442
You must be trolling.

How is having dysphoria "deviant"? I think you're conflating having dysphoria with being a transvestite. A transvestite is someone who gets sexual release from pretending to be the opposite sex. Dysphoria is the suicidally painful condition the major symptom of which is feeling one's birth sex is incorrect and which causes sexual dysfunction.

Not the same. Duh. By your logic no one with any psychological condition should seek help.

>>52400490
Is Jenny Death about a transgender?

>>52400467
Nah, most trans folk I know, and I do know a lot, can definitely pinpoint that it is their physiology which causes them deep depression and often fantasize of removing their sex organs or other gender-identifying body parts.

Hormone therapy and surgery end the pain. It's that simple.

>>52399585
I thought sissyboys wearing eyeliner and skinnyjeans with a moptop listening to emo music in 2005 was the pinnacle of feminine and pathetic.

That got replaced with feminist and transgendered "punk-rockers'?

>>52400401
>what is the riot grrl movement
>what is Penis Envy
>what is Playing with a Different Sex

>>52400486
Yeah, I admit that was bullshit. I was wrong, I should have clarified "some" pedophiles. I was merely referring to pedophiles in the context they were, but yeah, you're right, I should have acknowledged that.

>>52399642
Im sure gg allin cared deeply about social issues

>>52400544
It's all good pal.

>>52399642
This

>tfw missed the great 2014 LGBT punk revolution

guess i'm not one of the cool kids anymore, time to lay down and die

jesus fucking christ why are people talking about punk rock in 2014? punk rock changed dramatically with the arrival of zen arcade and double nickels on the dime in 1984. it's not about a certain sound or aesthetic, but an approach and an ethos

fuck all these fucking bands and everyone who cares about them

>>52400598
It changed a lot sooner than 1984. More like 1977. The rest of what you said was right though.

Finally, punk has become politically correct and can now become mainstream.

>>52400598
>cispig scared of some mean girls tearing apart his secret clubhouse

get used to it shitlord

>>52400223
>hijacking punk
>what is riotgrrrl
Is it too much to ask that newfags be at least marginally knowledgeable about the history of music before posting?

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>>52400286

>>52400612
well, of course, with the whole hardcore thing and whatnot, but that was still a way of simplifying the music, but in 1984 the people who originally created the scene decided to abandon it and expand their musical ambitions. I know what you're saying, and I know that you know what I mean, man

>>52400648
>thinking riot grrrl was the point at which feminism hijacked punk

Nah, feminism was a pretty major part of punk from the get-go. X-Ray Spex, The Slits, Au Pairs, The Raincoats, Crass, the list goes on...

>>52400687
True, I get that this is a shitty clickbait article either way, but if there are actually people worried about feminism in punk than /mu/'s reached a new low for ignorance of music.

>>52400661
>degeneracy, transsexual madness and other horrors
>mayo causes degeneracy
>degeneracy has gone into turbocharge
>degeneracy etc.

These lads are too much.

I'd love to see Meredith's gash.

is the TERF gone yet

>>52400687
Female-fronted is not the same as feminism. Some of those groups were clearly feminist in nature (such as that one Crass album and Au Pairs) but a group like The Raincoats and The Slits were not. They may have been feminists as individuals but they didn't preach those ideals in their music, The Raincoats didn't preach anything and The Slits were more about that whole tribal thing and promoting Jamaican culture which is distinctly anti-women.

>>52400808
Fair point.

>>52400664
I definitely understand what you mean but the movement you're talking about was a break from hardcore, the same thing had already happened years earlier with punk. The people who originally started punk abandoned it to pursue different forms of music with the punk ethos. I mean, to most people Sex Pistols are the face of punk and by 1978, they had already become Public Image Ltd.

People have been clinging onto the wrong parts of punk since the 70's, they think it still has to be some shitty guitar chords and miss the entire spirit of it. Music has been hugely influenced by punk rock, yet most of the people who were inspired by the ethos do not play punk rock.

>>52400286
Transgender/transsexuals are not deviants, nor are they degenerates. Why can't people understand this? Both are the result of a mental illness. I don't walk up to schizophrenics who are freaking out and call them degenerates. It's not their fault, their wires are all crossed.

We need to focus on treating mental illness such as schizophrenia, the same way we need to focus on treating trans related illnesses. A boy believing he is a girl or vice versa is most definitely an illness. We need to research treating it, never accepting it. I also support curing it, the same way I support curing schizophrenics and children with autism/down syndrome. The cure for that, as well as trans-illness is euthanasia.

So far, attempts at treating autism, down syndrome & schiz is futile. So I fully support just offing these sick people, it's mercy if anything. We haven't tested the waters enough with trans-illness, if it can be treated to cure by alternative method (there are cases when a trans-gender goes back to being normal, physically, mentally and sexually) then I am all for it. If it fails, then euthanasia is a good cure for them, same with homosexuality, but the latter is unlikely, the world is now hellbent on accepting homosexuality as a norm, even legalizing marriage between them.

I will retract from calling trans-ill people degenerates, I'll hope for proper treatment or mass curing by euthanasia.

>>52400641
I said that I don't fucking care about it all, though

>>52399585
>shitty punk bands
shitty is kind of redundant there lmao

>>52400664

The thing I enjoy about punk was that it really didn't start out with the intentions of not growing as musicians. Only once new waves of bands starting coming in did the idea of "I'm going to play 3 chords for 30+ years" come into play. It's a damn shame to because that is what most people think of when punk is brought up when it should just be about complete creative control and appreciating experimentation.

>>52400896
>tfw I begged my doctor for euthanasia
Even though you're trolling, I agree with you at least that the option should be available.

>>52399806
It's true google it

>>52400900
how very punk of you
pathetic