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>>52182419
page 10 can be a lonely place
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Analog > Digital

>>52182419
Graintable. Is there any information on how Propellerheads Maelstrom can be recreated with e.g. csound?
>>52183423
How so?

if it's not analog get that shit out of my face. everything else just sounds entirely too thin 4 me

Waveshaping synthesis dabes.

>>52183460
kek, what a pleb

If you don't use SuperCollider you might as well grab a guitar and play wonderwall at parties.

>>52183584
>mfw i do this
>and sing it too

u jelly?

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>>52183584
b-but I use Pure Data

>>52183460

>muh warmth

frig off

>>52183614
You're totally ok anon. PureData is SuperCollider plus visual swag to get the bitches in your bed.

>>52183614
did you learn it all on your own? or did you use a resource(s)

can someone who is absolutely shit at maths still into max/supercollider/puredata?

I'd appreciate it if you guys could be brutally honest with me and let me know what about this sucks and how I could fix it/what I should improve upon.

https://clyp.it/ewxxkfuq

>>52183807
maybe
but you need to understand the concepts of sound synthesis

>>52182419
Analog subtractive, fuck digital subtractive. Second favorite is FM.

>>52183778
on my own

>>52183807
depends on the math and depends on what you're trying to do

>>52183837
First of all, I can feel it's not SoundCollider.
Also mastering.

So I want to start making electronic music, but I'm a mongoloid who doesn't have even the slightest clue about how to construct a musical piece.

What should I do/where should I go to learn about this stuff?

>>52183964

Try PureData

>>52183964
learn music theory first to compose music. then you will have fun learning synthesis and shit. or don't learn theory and use arp functions and shit.

>>52182419
I thought they were all the same

>>52183964
FL or Ableton like everyone else

>>52184026
that doesn't really need to be the next "install gentoo" meme

>>52184152
>learn music theory first to compose music
I don't think that approach is always appropriate. It depends on what your goals are.

>>52184158
You can learn a lot about sound synthesis with pd

>>52184187
You don't have to know how to make something in order to know how to use it. There aren't really even good built-in blocks for subtractive synthesis.

>>52184179
well if your goal is to make the kind of music you want to listen to I think it is. but i guess plenty of established artists haven't gone that route

>>52184304
I never said that.
At all.

>>52184316
It makes no sense to approach something like acid house from a "songwriting" perspective, for example. To try to apply the conventional "composition first" thing is really inappropriate in some cases. Most of the interesting innovations in electronic music haven't had a lot to do with traditional theory.

Max is better than PureData

>>52184368
how else do you expect someone to work in PD?

>>52182419
Is that Wendy Carlos' rig?

>>52184429
Max has more features and is more developed. PD has the advantage that it can be run on embedded platforms.

>>52184438
By learning.
I never said that you can't make music if you don't master sound synthesis. But it's something cool to understand.

Also there's Max, which isn't free, but it's way easier to understand while achieving a similar function.

>>52184464
yes

>>52184420
post something unconventional and kickass, I really haven't heard anything "experimental" that I like , unless it has some sort of harmonization

Why not csound?

quick
what's the best meme DAW

>>52184562
mulab

>>52184545
supercollider is better
well, I like it more

>>52184562
garageband?

>>52184536
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzAOlaITnWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk5jCfEGQKE

>>52184420
>It makes no sense to approach something like acid house from a "songwriting" perspective

Yeah, because it totally doesn't produce any worthwhile results.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdeVX7UjeIk

>>52184636
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPExvktR19g this too

>>52184536

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LtDVwMYKdQ

>>52183895
is soundcollider a viraled VST? or is it that good? What exactly is it?

>>52184654

not him but no one's saying music theory is completely useless, its just that it isn't a requirement if you are going to be producing certain kinds of bleeps

>>52184702
Probably the most complicated way to get sounds from your pc.
However, you're likely to get control over them that noone else has.

>>52184702

It's the same anon trying to make an epic maymay.

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install puredata

>>52184766
Yeah, I figured that. Especially given the lackluster feedback and plug of the name. Reminds me of the way oceangrunge works

>>52184743
>Probably the most complicated way to get sounds from your pc.
>not writing a .wav file from scratch using a hex editor

>>52184766
here's your reply

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>>52184805
PD is BSD license, I don't think Stallman is the right figurehead for that. Use Miller Puckette instead.

How can I make my ambient sound less classical? Whenever I play chord progressions they either have a classical vibe or are just a drone.

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>>52184884
Fine
Install Csound

>>52184927
microtonal stuff

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>>52184884

>Rokits

>>52184944
>>52184927
or macrotonal such as 9-EDO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDFCsCoaUO4

>>52184964
this sounds really cool
danke

>>52184654
are you saying this doesn't implement theory?

>>52184944
>>52184964
These sound really cool
>tfw synth has dcos but no alternate tunings

>>52184964
>tfw actually working on music in 9EDO now

>>52184636
that first song sounded to me like it had some theory implemented. the second one not so much. but they were kickass, just not deep enough 4me

>>52185249
kek, oh dear

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>>52182419

>ITT: what's your favorite type of synthesis?

FM all the way baby

>>52184927

learn your circle of fifths and play around with dissonance

>>52185342
I want to fuck with that synth

>>52185342
>circle of fifths
Any good videos for this? I don't really know much theory except for how the notes relate to each other.

>>52184835
God please no, just imagining that is too much.

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>>52185412

it's very simple, just intuitively being aware of which keys are 5 and 7 semitones apart

but knowing that can help you move out of standard scales and chords and still resolve it, because you can have a lot of accents (off notes) but still support harmony by moving in fifths..

you can do this with smaller chords and single notes, in really minimal and ambient compositions, and still keep it interesting, it helps you move out of that classical style of arrangement where they push the root key in your face all the time

after that you can do the same thing with thirds (3 and 4 semitones apart depending on minor/major), they do that a lot in jazz

>>52186162
>5 semitones
4ths?
>7 semitones
5ths?
do i have this right?

>>52186216

you're totally correct but the point is that the tonic is the 5th to the 4th, it goes both ways

>>52186162
posting th superior, hi-res version. Knowing the inner circle also helps a lot.

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>>52186403
... whoops

>>52186312
can you explain that a tad bit more? the tonic compliments the root right?

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I love playing around with my uncle's Propellerheads Subtractor, but can someone please answer me this - WHY is it a subtractive? It seems to me like it's additive synthesis with filters and shit.

are there any PC speakers out there for under 100$ that are decent?

dont care about bass really

>>52185412
When you go clockwise, the next key is the fifth degree (for example C, D, E, F, G). The accidentals are sharps for clockwise, and it's always applied to the note before the 5th degree (e.g. in the key of G, there is an F#). Next key for clockwise is D (G, A, B, C, D -- D is the fifth degree from G). Now C has a sharp (C#), plus F# from the previous key. When you move clockwise you keep the previous sharps and add one more sharp.

The same thing is applied on the anti-clockwise but you count backwards (C, B, A, G, F) and a flat is added to B instead. So now the key is F and it has a Bb.

>>52186426
No, the tonic is the root. They are the same in practice. In a chord we tend to use the word root. When talking about intervals we tend to say tonic.

>>52186539

You mean for production or just to listen music?

>>52185342
just made this patch from what I could see in the picture. sounds fucking cool. Did you make it?

>>52186426

the tonic is the root

i believe it helps to move out of the modal mindset (root key blahblahblah), since that's what we're trying to do compositionally here

the point is that this is a circle, an open-ended and fractal thing, the fifth is the strongest/most harmonic interval whether you go up (5th) or down (4th). if you haven't emphasized a tonic yet, which is which? does it matter?

>>52186505

subtractive = start with a rich waveform (sawtooth etc) and filter it down

additive = add multiple sparse waveforms (sine waves) together, it involves ratios of primes and shit

anyone here use both the sp 404/sp404sx samplers?

>>52186569
just to listen to music

dont care about bass

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>>52186672

these envelopes should help a bit

thank you kindly, yea i made it. really fun when it moves around like that, can't really get that sound from any other technique

>>52186714
uhhhhh maybe something by genius?

https://clyp.it/3t3aj45g
Any opinions on this composition-wise?
I know the mix is crap, don't bug me about the mix.

>>52186836
Ahh, much different. I think I like it more with no attack time though. It makes for a nice techno bassline.

I dunno if it's technically /bleepproduction/, but I'm interested in playing around with some chiptune stuff, and is there any software/VST that lets me make sounds that sound more like the chiptunes you find in old Japanese computer games? They sound a little different, I can't really put my finger on it but there seems to be a lot more variation in the sounds you hear.

Here is an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTY7uefnuq8&list=PL6PHQCxAqpJTA3R5hgkqVJChfIuecx2gh&index=3

As opposed to the standard LSDj stuff everyone uses.

Or is this perfectly possible to do on LSDj and I'm just a dumbass?

>>52187386
Here's a better example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_GUuSSGVM0

>>52187170
there is some parts of the progression i don't like , but it's ok

>>52187534
Exactly which parts are you not fond of?

>>52187551
well i was talking about the beginning pad part, the progression went somewhere that (for me) didn't sound to good, but the end part was ok