>>52105977 There has to be a definition though. If you can listen to something and drop it in the post-rock bucket, then there is some definition. How can you defend >There really isn't a reliable way to define post-rock as a definition?
some rock instrumentation, with more distorted basslines and more generous use of synth. compositions more like drone songs which often develop large soundscapes and rely less on hooks to keep the listener's interest.
> Post-Rock is a term popularized by music critic Simon Reynolds. In Reynolds' words, it refers to "using rock instrumentation for non-rock purposes, using guitars as facilitators of timbre and textures rather than riffs and power chords."
> A succinct description of the genre's sound is difficult because of the diverse influences bands in the Post-Rock scene employ, but one can generally say that it derives primarily from a mix of Ambient, Space Rock, Experimental Rock, Krautrock, and styles on the "wall-of-sound" end of the Alternative Rock spectrum, such as Shoegaze. Some Post-Rock bands also dabble in Math Rock, Tape Music, Minimalism, and various forms of Jazz, but application of these styles is by no means uniform.
>>52106007 >guitars used mainly for texture Who is Friends of Dean Martinez
>influenced by jazz or ambient half the time This is actually a decent point, although not fully fleshed out - Post-Rock is frequently defined by the influences going in, and little else. This often includes Krautrock, lounge music, Western Art Music (Minimalist and avant-garde movements, especially), local influences, folk, ambient, jazz, other rock sources, noise music, field recordings, and so on. Stereolab is an obvious example of this (minimalist and lounge music tendencies).
>>52106033 >There has to be a definition though. see >>52105613 >reliable When you have a term so poorly-thought out used as a blanket term for anything too weird for the alt-rock scene, you're not going to have a stable term with a precise definition. As it is, the genre becomes the most homogeneous after Lift Yr Skinny Fists like Antennas to Heaven, at which time it becomes easily defined. This is also part of a larger argument (that post-rockers turned inwards with influence- looking at other bands in the scene more than their outside influences), but we can save that for another time.
Might as well get this out of the way. Official list of trve post-rock, for hardcore badasses ONLY. Poseurs (b-but 'x' isn't post-rock!) not welcome.
Durutti Column - The Return of the Durutti Column Pan American - Pan American Ganger - Hammock Style Tarentel - Ghetto Beats From The Surface of the Sun Sam Prekop - Sam Prekop Disco Inferno - The 5 EP's Boris & Merzbow - Rock Dream Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest Exhaust - Enregistreur Do Make Say Think - Goodbye Enemy Airship the Landlord is Dead Jim O'Rourke - Bad Timing Gastr Del Sol - Camofleur Roy Montgomery - Temple IV Set Fire to Flames - Signs Reign Rebuilder Southpacific - Constance The Evpatoria Report - Golevka Bowery Electric - Beat Stereolab - Emperor Tomato Ketchup Jessamine - Jessamine Moonshake - Eva Luna Labradford - Prazision LP The Samuel Jackson Five - Easily Misunderstood Brokeback - Field Recordings From the Cook County Water Table Tribes of Neurot / Walking Time Bombs - Static Migration Lift to Experience - The Texas Jerusalem Crossroads Macha - See it Another Way Manta Ray - Manta Ray Shalabi Effect - Feign to Delight Gaiety of Gods Circle - Prospekt Rhys Chatham - An Angel Moves too Fast to See Ewa Braun - Stereo Pram - The Stars are so Big, the Earth is so Small... Stay as You Are John Fahey & Cul De Sac - The Epiphany of Glenn Jones Laika - Sounds of the Satellites Friends of Dean Martinez - The Shadow of Your Smile Tortoise - A Lazarus Taxon Flying Saucer Attack - Flying Saucer Attack Bark Psychosis - Hex Hood - Cabled Linear Tracion Seven Percent Solution - All About Satellites and Spaceships Th' Faith Healers - Imaginary Friend Th' Faith Healers - Lido Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space Stereolab & Nurse With Wound - Simple Headphone Mind Fridge - Sevens and Twelves The American Analog Set - From Our Living Room to Yours
>>52106608 >I was really simplifying that's what in a nutshell means. Oversimplification is earnestly misleading, which is just as useful as someone maliciously misleading. >more fleshed out and pretentious You're misusing that word. >pre·ten·tious >Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed. They would be pretentious if they were incorrect. The fact that you used "more fleshed out" shows me that you're only saying "pretentious" because you feel bad about being corrected. It's nothing personal, you just gave a bad definition. > doesn't take credibility away from those that are just trying to help others out. Nobody cares about your intent. This is a board for music discussion. If you mislead people, you're going to get corrected. You aren't credible by your own doing, not mine.
>>52106642 There certainly was a post-rock scene (several, actually), but that's not really helpful in this sense as much of what we know as post-rock was created outside of such scenes (Durutti Column comes to mind).
>>52106721 Just leave the thread if all you can do is inane shitposting.
A genre that uses rock instrumentation to produce something that isn't rock. Usually it lacks choruses, riffs or some other common rock structures, and is deeply influenced by ambient and sometimes by drone or jazz. Mh?
>>52106919 I'd argue that krautrock didn't use rock as an influence, because anglo rock and german rock are what happens when two isolated scenes use the same influences. I can't write well so my ideas appear muddled and I'm sorry for that but kreatrock, because it formed the same time anglo rock was forming couldn't use rock as an influence
>>52107020 Pink Floyd and Yes were huge influences cited by some Kraut-rocker bands. Here's a citation for Kraftwerk http://www.theguardian.com/music/2008/feb/22/vinylword.joequeenan
>it formed the same time anglo rock was forming Pink Floyd were getting radio play in the late 60's, while most of the Krautrock bands were cited as popping up and being active more towards the early 70's.
>>52107290 http://www.discogs.com/artist/520159-Daturah These guys are from Frankfurt.
>>52107308 Are you trying to imply that having a definition which wholly envelops two massive collections of records commonly agreed to be of separate labels is having an "overlap" and not just being too vague ?
>>52107345 >Are you trying to imply that having a definition which wholly envelops two massive collections of records commonly agreed to be of separate labels is having an "overlap" and not just being too vague ? Yes. Music isn't scientific. It can't always be perfectly categorized like the elements because it doesn't have strict unbreakable laws. It's the same as arguing the definition of what's art or not.
>>52107581 >Yes. Music isn't scientific. It can't always be perfectly categorized like the elements because it doesn't have strict unbreakable laws. It's the same as arguing the definition of what's art or not. Which is why I've appealed to mutual intelligibility and practicality. Why is this so difficult ? You have to find the right balance of vagueness and precision- you're being too vague.
>>52107754 Just because you can be classified under a genre , doesn't mean you have to have all of it's qualities. Just like how not all of a band's qualities have to be applied to a genre they are part of.
The conception of the term Post Rock has always been a vague, blanket term. It is purely subjective.
Less of a genre, and more of a feeling you get from the music.
Essentially the only thing which differentiates post rock from prog rock at a conceivable level is context. They're both branches of rock music which experimented with form, structure and dynamic progression in order to get a more refined sense of narrative or forward motion
>>52108361 Ignoring that no, it wouldn't suggest that, the phrase used was "for indie people, while "indie people" is a phrase made to be intelligible as denoting a counter-culture more contemporary than (but still comparable to) the audience for prog.
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