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What musicians are as meticulous and anal as Stanley Kubrick?
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Moritz von Oswald
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Steve Albini
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>>51931027
Merzbow, sometimes.
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>>51931027
Steely Dan
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actress
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>>51931027
Scott Walker.
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Brian Wilson
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Muscians that make absolute borefests that the only thing about them that is interesting is the way they play?

see
>>51931125
or
>>51931087
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>>51931139
Close, but Phil Spector is the best answer.
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Brian Eno, obviously.
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>>51931157
Are you saying that Kubrick makes borefests?
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>>51931027
Steve Reich

Also, i didnt know kubrick was known for being anal, weird considering he missed the entire point of ACO.
and i have no idea what that picture is showing.
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>>51931104
explain
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>>51931177
Couldn't be more wrong about Eno
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Zappa
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>>51931182
>Also, i didnt know kubrick was known for being anal
There are stories of him filming scenes so many times to get them exact that the actors had mental breakdowns.
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Robert Fripp is basically Prog Kubrick in my book.
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>>51931157
Have you heard any of those artists you were linking to, or was it a part of your joke?
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>>51931199
/thread
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>>51931182
>i didnt know kubrick was known for being anal
He'd force his actors to do a shot over 1000+ times because something really small and insignificant happened.
>that one slap scene in full metal jacket
>done 500+ times
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>>51931205
That's pretty funny. He went up in my book now
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>>51931215
no way, Zappa was waaay more obviously satirical. Kubricks most comedic film, Dr Strangelove, isn't nearly as outright comedic as Zappa's less comedic albums.
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>>51931218
Something insignificant like what?
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But that wasn't OP's question. I agree with you, though.
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>>51931256
a fly in the background
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>>51931255
Who the fuck said anything about that? Read the thread.
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>>51931268
meant for
>>51931255
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>>51931182
>no idea what that picture is showing
I mean it's really obvious if you look at the maze that it's displaying how mathematical Kubrick was in his photographical style. Alot of his shots, especially in that movie and the first half of Full Metal Jacket were extremely geometrical.
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beefheart
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>>51931276
oh ok. I read OP, but didn't process it fully and subconsciously thought it'd be more interesting to compare his work as a whole to a musician. It's just more 2 dimensional of a discussion to simply compare his efforts rather than the artistic sum of his achievements.
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You know, I hate how people give Kubrick and Anderson so much credit for being able to center shots. You learn about this in your first visual composition class. Even plebs know about the rule of thirds. At least Kubrick was a good director.

Also

>>51931047
No, his later stuff got lazy.

>>51931074
Yes.

>>51931087
No, a lot of his work is meant to be natural and generative.

>>51931104
Absolutely.

>>51931107
Not too much.

>>51931125
No.

>>51931134
Maybe, for similar reasons the same as Steely Dan.

>>51931139
see >>51931162

>>51931177
No, for the same reasons as Merzbow.

>>51931182
Music for 18 Musicians for sure.

>>51931199
Nope.

>>51931314
Nope.
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>>51931194
I agree, Eno's work seems to display a general casualness, which seems to reflect his methods to be accurate but not insanely meticulous.
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RDJ, I imagine.
Apparently he composed his shit in 33 1/3 and then sped it up.
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>>51931344
I value your many unexplained opinions
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Coil, though they're mainly just anal (ayyyy).
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>>51931296
But that picture is not symmetrical
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>>51931344
>no to beefheart
the process for TMR was insane
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>>51931367
Most notably with Music For Airports, where it's known that he improved the majority of it.
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>>51931401
Well I said geometrical, not symmetrical. If he made alot of his shots symmetrical... that'd be stupid.
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>>51931183
Well I've never been there in the studio with them but apparently they are ridiculously anal about every tiny detail and will do hundreds of takes until everything is perfect.

Personally I think it gives their music kind of a cold, sterile sounds sometimes but I guess that's what they want.
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>>51931344
>all those replies
here's that (you) you wanted
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>>51931425
Yeah I see Eno as an artist with a strong knack for the qualities of his work whereas Kubrick is very procedural.
That said, maybe The Mars Volta?
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>>51931181
>scene goes on for 7+ minutes about useless shit like a kid riding in a tricycle
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>>51931344

>No, his later stuff got lazy.

What are you referring to?
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>>51931392
Which one would you like me to elaborate on? Even if I did it'd still be my subjective opinion.

>>51931408
Okay, maybe TMR gets the pass but I was under the impression that Don's process was based around mentally dominating a group of people as opposed to making precise and calculated music (much like Kubrick's precise and calculated films).
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>>51931425
improvised*
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>>51931429
My bad, but then i definitely dont know what that picture is trying to convey
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>>51931463
I thought his work with Juan Atkins was pretty bland, typical deep house lounge made for the sake of digestibility aka not very meticulous.
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>>51931344
This entire post is moot simply for the fact that you took that "Steve Albini" post seriously.

To quote the man himself: "I guess it comes down to whether or not you think making records is magical. I don't think it's magical, I think it's pretty straightforward unless you introduce a lot of obstacles, and then it becomes about indulging the obstacles, not the results. That's what I get from shit like this, Brian Wilson and any number of "crazy perfectionist geniuses" out there.

Basically, fuck all that. Snuff the candles, spit on your hands and make the fucking record."
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>>51931491

oh no the Juan Atkins stuff was mediocre, I agree. Saw them live...and I left before they finished. I felt like shit. But was so boring

His stuff with The Trio was awesome.
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>>51931511
This depends how much weight you put in what he says but I have always been under the impression that he was extremely anal when it came to a production standpoint.
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>>51931450
>being so much of a pleb that you can't appreciate the artistry of long takes
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mark hollis
kevin shields
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Anything requiring a pic related

A conductor, not a Jap
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>>51931450
Reminds me of Tarantino. If you cut out all the pointless monologues/conversations in any of his films it would cut the run time in half. How long do people need to discuss tipping waitresses or cheeseburgers or literally the entire scene he directed in Four Rooms?

>>51931469
Yeah TMR wasn't calculated at all. He just banged on a piano and had his guitarist translate it. Not very precise. Although I did here that they rehearsed for months so that they could play the songs first take in the studio.
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>>51931576
>Yeah TMR wasn't calculated at all. He just banged on a piano and had his guitarist translate it
What the fuck are you on about?
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>>51931576
it was calculated in a sense of artistic vision, as unstructured as the sound is
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>>51931668
Beefheart can't read music so he played stuff on the piano and had his guitarist write it down. Sometimes he literally banged on the top of the piano to show rhythms.
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>>51931745
Do you see the difference in what you first said, and what you said now?
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>>51931027
Trent Reznor
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>>51931296
>>51931401
>>51931429
>>51931483
http://vimeo.com/48425421

lrn2cinemaplebs
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>>51931027
Kanye West
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>>51931027
Stockhausen.

must have complete control of the piece being performed, down to the cushions the performers sit on (Stimmung)

Meticulous asshole status: god-like
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Battles, maybe?
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>>51931816
Good answer dude.
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>>51933250
Pretty much every classical and jazz composer and musician is really more meticulous than all rock and pop acts that don't use any notation. Stockhausen was up there, but Brian Ferneyhough takes it to another level: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py5Vk90ZTak
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>>51933276

Frank Zappa?
I wanna say.

Rick Rubin
Jon Brion
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>>51931576
that Reservoir Dogs tipping scene was a clever and concise way to introduce characterization
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>>51933276
I think part of the image that Zappa created for himself actually over accentuates the amount of effort he put into his tracks in order to validate the silliness of alot of his music.
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>>51933422
Hell, it gave set up the twist
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>>51933501
(That gave obviously shouldn't be there, I'm just high)
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Dan Barrett is really crafty with his artwork, he even writes to make the album more deep, my vote goes to him.
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>>51931557
i don't care if the scene is long, just don't put too many long scenes and don't make those long scenes so pointless, the tricycle scene looks like it was done so Kubrick can wank off to his way of working the camera for the 1000th time
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>>51931209
came in to say this
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>>51933533
Yeah that was such a crucial scene
Plus extended dialogues like that give the chance to show off your writing chops
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>>51933603
Why does every scene have to serve a purpose, anyway? Why can we just not enjoy the slow pacing of a scene to show the quiet before the storm of the rest of the movie?
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Daniel Lopatin seems pretty meticulous, especially on R+7
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>>51933360
Nah Ferneyhough relinquishes all control after the score is written. (even if the score is written meticulously)

Stockhausen [tried to] retained control all the way to the performance
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>>51933360
>jazz composer
>meticulous
Considering improvisation is the quintessence of jazz, I'd say hardly.
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>>51931027
Bach
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>>51931182
Didn't miss the point of ACO, just realized it was stupid. The film surpassed the novel.
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Bruce Springsteen nearly scrapped Born to Run once he was given the first cut of it.
The final track also took 7 months to perfect.
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>>51934076
The title track*
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>>51931344
Paul Thomas or Wes? WHICH ANDERSON GODDAMMIT!!!!
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>>51931344
I don't even know what you're referring to, the post or people's appreciation for kubrick.

Nobody fuckign appreciates Kubrick because he uses the rule of thirds effectively you numb nuts. They (and what OP is referring to) appreciate how much work he puts into perfecting his scenes. I.E driving his actors with repeated takes insane to make the shining more realistic.
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>>51933276
>>51931255
>>51931199

zappa was meticulous about live performances. he was a rehearsal slave driver by some accounts. zappa was not very masterful in the studio.
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>>51933276
>>51934317
This. Jimmy Carl Black said that the only one that made mistakes was Zappa becasue the band was too well rehearsed
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>>51934317
Oh please, his music was never and more complicated than the stuff my high school chamber orchestra played. I'm sure he was strict, especially compared to most other rock acts, but a slave driver? That would be counterintuitive anyway.
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>>51931182
Or, he just made the film based off the original edition of the book which didn't have the last chapter where Alex grows the fuck up.
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>ctrl + F
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c'mon /mu/ get your shit together
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>>51934532
Nah.
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>>51934408
unless your school chamber orchestra played free jazz in 5/8 I really doubt it
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>>51931027
as a producer Martin Hannett seemed pretty anal/neurotic about things
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>>51934408

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqv4RfPcV0A
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>>51931576
Beefheart literally threw the drummer down the stairs for not knowing how to "play a stawberry".
This album is by no means conventional by every aspect is intentional.
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>>51934547
well I haven't heard that kindof stuff from him. care to link?
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>>51934784
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0OPkUsFSIA&feature=player_detailpage#t=107
1:46 if feature doesn't work
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>>51934693
well I guess I was wrong but regardless the sum of that isn't much more than 'wow this is complicated', which was the sum of hearing that chamber orchestra.
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>>51934755
>for not knowing how to "play a stawberry".
Those kind of impossible, vague requests just detract from the meticulous argument, you know? I realize TMR wasn't improvised on the spot, but "meticulously arranged" isn't exactly accurate either.
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>>51931027
Lee Mavers
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Most serialist composers
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>>51933645
Yeah but in that example, the scene's purpose is t show the quiet before the storm.

Every scene has to serve a purpose but that purpose doesn't have to be to advance the plot
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>>51931425
>>51931471
more than improvised he used different length tape loops which has an inherent randomness in the procedure. (phasing)
Arguably that is a little anal of a procedure although it's pretty hands off when it comes to result.
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>>51931027
Robert Fripp
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>>51931027
Slint practiced 4 of the songs from Spiderland for 9 hours a day 5 days a week for about a year before releasing the album.
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>>51936955
This.

Also David Byrne.
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>>51934820
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>>51931027
What the fuck is this picture trying to show? That Kubrik's special cameras captured a strange phenomenon called "perspective" and that he somehow managed to center the camera above the table?

I mean, I really like Kubrik but this picture is stupid
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>>51931182
>>51931344
YOU FUCKING PLEBS REICH ISN'T METICULOUS, HE'S VERY AMICABLE

IF YOU ACTUALLY KNEW CLASSICAL MUSIC YOU'D GIVE AN ANSWER LIKE BIRTWISTLE OR MAYBE MAXWELL-DAVIES

BUT YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT

YOU NO TALENT FAKES
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>>51937103
it's part of a series, someone posted the video in the thread
as an individual picture it doesn't mean much
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>>51937117
I don't think being amicable and being meticulous are mutually exclusive
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>>51937084
Whatever man.
Zappa was a stuck up shithead.
Kubrick was a true artist.
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>>51931816
simultaneously yes and no
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Death Grips
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>>51937490
why do you keep posting even though you admitted you have no idea what you're talking about
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>>51937520
because I see what I see...
there's no end all secret. We all know what we know. Where did you learn to be so much smarter than me that you can parade around without admitting that you don't really know shit?
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>>51937517
Can't believe no one posted this yet.
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>>51937537
i don't know shit but i don't make snap judgments about artists without knowing shit
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>>51937574
yeah but you sure can make snap judgments about me. how much more have I shown you about myself versus how much artists have?
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>>51931576
You don't know what you're talking about and you're embarrassing yourself smartass
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>>51937597
you've repeatedly demonstrated your ignorance so that helps
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>>51937621
and you've repeatedly demonstrate your hamheadedness. What is worse? Admitted ignorance, or agressive hamheadedness?
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Armchair experts: the thread
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>>51937664
you admitted your ignorance but continued to make nonsensical judgments despite that
but this argument is clearly going nowhere
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>>51931369
Robert Downey Junior?
Ronnie Dio James?
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>>51937746
Both!
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>>51931027
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>>51937806
you cracked the code
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>>51937681
welcome to 4chan
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>>51931027
lol vanishing points
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I don't understand what this image is suggesting
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>>51937709
well that's what I think and what I think simply cannot be meaningless. not to you and especially not to me.
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>>51934183
paul w.s. anderson.
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>>51931027
your diagram is shit, so im guessing this thread is shit
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