Math rock

>math rock
uh oh another meme microgenre
Is this your Poseidon? are you mad oceangrunge failed?

>>51896469
have you ever actually listened to music or are you just here to shitpost and generally be retarded

>>51896478
okay I just googled it and I guess it is a thing
but it doesn't seem that popular so why are you berating me for not knowing about it

>>51896469
Avant-garde Jazzcore is better than Progressive Dreamfunk.

>>51896512
just googled that exact sentence
it's just an old meme copy pasta

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>>51896469
>shitposting without knowing anything
>wut

>>51896469
First you shitpost, then you google? Try the reverse order next time, buddy.

>>51896504
Because it's a really commonly-discussed genre on /mu/ and you're obviously a newfag shitposter

Battles, Don Caballero.

Tricot, they only have one full length album tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6rxGmvQPLU

Man math rock has the worst vocalists ever

I love math rock but holy shit why are the vocalists so bad

>>51896565
>>51896578
>>51896591
>implying

>>51896601
That's why you listen to the ones without vocals.

>>51896453
http://youtu.be/YvemUohOfX8
http://thesaintpeterpocketveto.bandcamp.com/track/xenophobic-interpreter

tiny moving parts of course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iasXqgINAB8

>>51896453
boop
http://youtu.be/izyDjs9MOb0

Older Tera Melos was the shit.

>>51896827
Newer Tera Melos is the shit.

>>51896667
>this
>>51896827
>this as well

also:
don caballero
upsilon acrux
drive like jehu
hella
early maps & atlases

Does this count? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H44-4MzF0ts

>>51896596
The list could go on.

Hate to be that guy that goes with entry-level, but Snowing is def my favorite math rock band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiUPRANCnPk

Tiny Moving Parts was already mentioned, but I really like them too.

>>51896453
Foals

mandatory Polvo

>>51896601
TTNG has pretty decent vocals

>tfw PhD in math
>hear about math rock
>it's not actually math

that was the end of my dabbling in that shit genre

>2 + 2 EQUALS 4 AND THE SQUARE ROOT OF 9 IS 3 BUT TRY TO SOLVE FOR X
>*smash guitar*

Math rock in a nutshell

ASIWYFA
probably nostalgia bias
Still yet to hear a better live track though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7taYDCTnRw

Is toe math?
If so, toe.

> anything Zach Hill ever played

pretty much this.

well

nope.

fucking THIS

>>51898284
>death grips is now math rock

>>51898056
ASIWYFA s/t is GOAT

>>51898319
to some extent yes. why not? zach hill can turn 4/4 into math

>>51898011
that is the outdated chart

>>51898371
All Hail Bright Futures came out last year

>>51896504
>be an ignorant cunt
>come into a thread about a genre you have no idea about
>get rekt
>"hurr y u mad tho"

>>51898415
u r mad tho

>>51896453
Two Knights and Father Figure. They shred, man.

>>51896523
>being this fucking knew

toe
Giraffes? Giraffes!
Hella
Dads
Slint
Shellac
Let us just call it abstract
Mouse on the Keys

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So Botch, Narrows?

Why don't you Jane Doe /mu/?

Is this Math rock?

I like them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9INO6a3LkWw

>>51898469
Is the new shellac album worth listening to?

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Last version's chart

If someone wants to know how the first Math Rock song sounded like in 1968, check this out!
Mad River - Merciful Monks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGf2OBk5aJs

Best Math Rock Bands
1. Yowie
2. Sajjanu
3. Ahleuchatistas
4. Hella
5. Don Caballero

>>51896601
That's because Math Rock should be an instrumental genre.

>>51898522
I always thought Converge was pretty popular here.

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>>51898011
Needs picrelated somewhere

>>51898892
top of the image, right of middle

>>51898942
I was talking to other chart. Also I didn't see Avant's post

Does Don caballero only have one good album?

>>51898971
realised that after I posted, at least it's in the updated one.

so has anyone listened to the new Invalids yet

much stronger than Eunoia imo

Friendly reminder that:
Tera Melos is shit
TTNG is shit
Most math rock is shit
Don Cab will always be the peak of math rock in terms of importance and innovation

>>51899004
3, which one did you think about?

hella

>>51899311
>Friendly reminder that I am here to shitpost

Thanks. For a second there I thought we had a quality thread going

>>51899311
I agree Don Cab is the peak, but how can you hate TTNG?

Battles
Hella
Time Machine Modulus

>>51899411

TTNG is pretty tame and boring.

It's just incredibly generic indie rock with fucked up time signatures.

>>51896601
TTNG, Invalids, Legs Like Tree Trunks, Uchu Conbini, I guess Maps & Atlases is p good as well.
Which ones are bad?

>>51899398
Just getting into Hella, what their best album? Already a big fan of HYHI

>>51899311
>opinions
stop acting like yours is the only one

favorites for me:
Clever Girl
The Bulletproof Tiger
Dios Trio
Tera Melos
Toe (only book about my idle plot)
Minus the Bear (only This is what I know about being gigantic)
100 Onces

>>51899435
For me it depends on my mood. If I'm a bit more mellow HYHI is what I would listen to, but when I'm angry or energetic Tripper is the album for me.

>>51899430
TTNG is pretty easy to get into, so I like seeing it on flowcharts for new listeners who might be turned off by Zach Hill

>>51899411
I hate the vocals and I'm not a fan of their guitar noodling

>>51899430
They have plenty of aggressive riffs, not that that is a quality indicator, but I don't find them tame (unless they do it intentionally) or boring.
What I find the most appealing is how Tim's guitar style feels totally unique, especially on Animals.

Thoughts on Battles' vocals? They're used pretty much as an instrument, so I think they add a good layer and aren't particularly distracting

>>51899487
It's not always about the noodle, they do interesting rhythms as well imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljpkH-MfYTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63nAyE1as5w

I don't like TTNG
All of the vocalists melodies sound the same to me, there's absolutely no variety in the vocals.

The noodly guitar parts are there but they don't stand out and aren't very catchy like riffs by bands like Clever Girl / The Bulletproof Tiger.

They are impressive but have no strong melody to back them up, just noodles for the sake of noodling. It's like they're more focused on their songs being mathy than sounding good.


They are very bland, especially when compared to other math rock acts like Tera Melos who have their own unique sound thanks to Nick's love of cartoony wonkey sounding pedals. Tera Melos has personality, something TTNG lacks.

>>51899587
>Says TTNG noodles for the same of noodling
>Compares them to Tera Melos, a band that uses a shitload of pedals for the sake of using a shitload of pedals

>>51899623
Nope, if you listen to their records it gives the whole record a consistent unique cartoony sound.

It's not like they use a bunch of random ones otherwise their albums would be inconsistent as fuck

>>51899649
I've listened to their records, I've also seen them live. Their albums are inconsistent as fuck, because they are generally so focused on the way it sounds that what they're actually playing comes off as bland

>>51899587
I definitively agree that the vocals isn't a highlight of the band, I do think it adds more than it detracts though.
But how can you say the riffs aren't catchy? The unique riffs is the best part, there are so many memorable ones that stick in your brain, it's definitively not just noodling for noodlings sake (except the chorus of Adventure, Stamina & Anger, but that's the only one I can think of).

>>51899430
agreed
>>51899311
also agreed, would even go as far as to say that math rock isn't a real genre, just a gimmicky thing
first wave bands are really just great post-hardcore bands
second wave and third wave is just boring gimmicky stuff

>>51899735
What would you define as the different waves?

But yeah that's basically spot on, with a few decent new-ish bands

>>51899682
I've seen them live too
I've also seen TTNG live

Their albums aren't inconsistent except for maybe the melodies album.

X-ed out has a consistent sound throughout because he uses the same pedals on all of the songs. I've watched a video of him describing all of the pedals on his pedal board and there are actually only a handful of them that are really present on the newest record.

TTNG's riffs are way more bland than Tera Melos. I can hear a Tera Melos riff and instantly recognize Nick's style, while TTNG's riffs sound like 1000 other math rock bands.

>>51899683
They just don't stick out to me at all

>>51899785
>TTNG's riffs are way more bland than Tera Melos. I can hear a Tera Melos riff and instantly recognize Nick's style, while TTNG's riffs sound like 1000 other math rock bands.
>They just don't stick out to me at all
I don't understand how you can hear them so differently, I love too Tera Melos and Nick's style as well, managed to catch them in my home town 2 years ago and I was blown away.
But saying TTNG sounds like every other math band? I've listened to plenty of shitty math rock, but none of it sounded like TTNG, the only thing keeping them ahead of all the other bands is the fact that the riffs don't sound like anyone else.

>>51899785
I'm not saying Tera Melos' guitar riffs are less bland than TTNG's, I'm just saying they're still bland. They rely far too heavily on pedals to make it sound good.

Which I guess is fine, but I'd rather just listen to Let us just call it abstract because they use pedals better and their drummer is much better

Hella and Don Caballero

>>51899846
I don't know how I hear them so differently either. It's not that I dislike TTNG.

I really don't like Animals though, I can't stand their old vocalist, he fucking sucked.

I really really like tracks like "two birds, one stone, and an empty stomach". I wish they would do more acoustic tracks. The guitar part in that song is actually really catchy to me.

I feel like I'd like them more if they would just get a good vocalist, or at least one that can write decent vocal melodies.

>ctrl f planets
>nothing found

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLvcGmRFQvE

>>51899522
it took me too long to realise that there were actual lyrics underneath the strange vocal noises on atlas, pretty good lyrics too

>>51899928
That's interesting, I've mostly not been a fan of the acoustic stuff like that one, or the acoustic remake of 26 is dancier than 4...
Well, each to his own I guess man.

How did you feel about their new track? (If you heard it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBfOmdcNEts
I thought it was pretty mediocre until ~3:30, considering our differences it's possible you'd love everything prior to that point and hate it after that, haha.

>>51899949
>Ctrl f CHON
>nothing found

http://youtu.be/NIDwai_FKUs

Rec me some heavy but happy sounding mathy rock/punk. Some bands I like are Midori, Deep Turtle, Lightning Bolt.

>>51899949
Planets are great! O People is their best song though.

>>51900272
>heavy but happy sounding mathy rock/punk.
You just described You Slut!
Check their album Critical Meat, it's one of my all time favorites.

>>51900030
Damn, that was close-ish to a legendary quintuple

>>51900123
CHON is fantastic

I think the Bulletproof Tiger is my favorite right now. Can someone rec me a similar band?

>>51900663
Thats bland math rock if I ever heard it, prove me wrong

Polvo is GOAT.

Drive Like Jehu and Bastro are also pretty cool. new school math rock sucks, no exceptions, unfortunately.

>>51900780
CHON
You Slut!
ASIWYFA
TTNG
Battles
Minus the Bear

>>51900942
yeah, just like i said.

>>51900721
Well I wouldn't say they are formative or anything, I just think their compositions are incredible, fairly complex, yet super catchy imo. Listen to the bass tapping: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H62Tv0jLJ6g

>>51896469
I don't even know if this is bait, retarded, or failed shitposting anymore

>>51898846
>no drive like jehu
is this list chart supposed to be taken seriously without drive like jehu

>>51901191
2 albums under the words "start here"

>>51901191
Yank Crime is right in the middle, if you follow the flow chart from the beginning it's one of the first things you can get recommended

>>51899430
I always thought TTNG was the midpoint between chill math rock like toe and absolute insanity like early Tera Melos
Like they're good to chill out to or dance to.
Speaking of which, did anyone see Tera Melos live this year yet? I saw them in CT and it was fucking nuts. Go see them if you get the chance

>>51899434
>Legs Like Tree Trunks
New album fucking when? I'm dying over here.

>>51896597
this was wicked, thanks

Don Cab > Tera Melos = ASIWYFA > everything else

>>51901053
battles are great you idiot
it's the same guitarist from don cab
shit taste confirmed

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>>51901610
He's right about Polvo and Drive Like Jehu being GOAT, but to ignore new math rock on the face of it is diarrhea for brains. There's a lot more variation in the genre now

>>51901610
they're probably the best of the ones listed there but i woudn't call them great. also not quite your typical new-school math rock i would say, not just because they share the guitarist with Don Caballero. Don Caballero is ok.

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>>51901533
Good to see so much ASIWYFA love on this thread. I don't see them around /mu/ very often

>>51899434
Those are all the bad ones. How could you seriously listen to TTNG without feeling like a faggot. The music is good though don't get me wrong, I just prefer singer that can't sing to ones that can.

>>51897961
It definitely can be.

>>51901752
>prefer singers that can't sing
>doesn't like TTNG

huh?

>>51901816
He clearly can sing.

>>51900942
Minus the Bear isn't even new, they've been around since 2001

However their new stuff blows ass

>>51901816
and just because I don't like the singing doesn't mean I don't like the band, I just wouldn't want to explain to anyone why I like the band.

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Postmadonna are neat.

>>51900780
Define new school

Math Rock is where Post-Hardcore and Jazz-Fusion intersect. You've got the time changes and virtuosity of hard bop while using rock instrumentation and playing up the dissonance. There's a notable influence from 70's prog as well. It's an incredibly varied genre, but it always highlights technical skill and complexity in song structure, even at slower tempos.
Personal Favourites:
Hella
Don Caballero
Drive Like Jehu
Agaskodo Teliverek
June of 44
Piglet
Polvo
U.S. Maple
The Fucking Champs
Toe
Tortise
Japandi
Bastro
Pre
Giraffes? Giraffes! (and Joseph Andreoli's solo work)
Meet Me In St. Louis
A Minor Forest
Slint
Pneu
Rodan
Duck. Little Brother, Duck!
Q and not U
Tera Melos
Lite
Manacle
Polvo
Battles
Lightning Bolt
You Slut!

I can't stomach the vocals of TTNG.

Where to start with Don Caballero?

>all this ttng vocal hate itt
I'm not even a huge fan, but how plen do you have to be to not like Stu or Henry's vocals?
Stu was a lot more theatrical and a bit out there, but is it really that unaccessible?
Henry's a lot more chill and conventional, which suits the new songs since they are a bit more chill and conventional most of the times.
I just find it difficult to actively dislike him when he doesn't do anything crazy

>>51902116
American Don is my favorite, but just start anywhere and skip any of their stuff that came out after American Don

>>51902116
With the first album like you would with any other artist.

>>51902116
What Burns Never Returns > American Don > Don Caballero 2
But Don Caballero 2 might be best to start with, it's a bit more conventional than the other two, which is either a lot more free flowing or a lot more structured.

>>51902134
They sound like a shitty screamo band.

>>51902166
>screamo
all my wat
They're obviously heavily influenced by emo music, but screamo?

>>51902063
Some stuff I'm really not into in that list, but a lot of stuff I am.

Have you listened to Sincabeza? They're somewhat similar to A Minor Forest but a bit more up tempo and purely instrumental

>>51902174
Shit vocals can ruin a great instrumentation, sorry.

this thread needs more Marnie Stern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3oxU9-zeiA

>>51902153
But I don't, fight me.
>>51902164
>>51902138
Thanks

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>ctrl + f pele
>no hits
Guys...
This is chill math rock done right, this and The Nudes (a bit less math) are incredible and are must listens for math rock fans.

>>51902232
>>51902217
Totally spaced on those two
>>51902179
Checking it out now - great name.

>>51896453

Haven't seen Loose Lips Sink Ships yet. Really, really good stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAaA0Mty7DA

>>51897961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBgQPSUTWVM

>>51896523
that's because it's objectively true

>>51899434
Uchu Conbini and Maps and Atlases sound pretty damn good man. Thanks for the suggestions!

>>51902486
Cheers man, I've been obsessed with Uchu Conbini recently.

>>51898846
Finally someone who actually listens to math rock in this thread, Jesus christ

>>51901191
Pleb

>>51903105
What are your favorites?

>>51903105
>Actually thinking Autistic-Math God has decent taste

Good one

>>51903236
80% of this thread is the same TTNG/Tera Melos/Hella/Don Cab discussion we have every day, at least add some variety.

>>51903268
You don't add any variety either, unless you include spouting off about how Yowie is the best math rock band as discussion

>>51903268
Time Machine Modulus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0B7Z3JERdk

>>51903344
I love this meme

>>51903367
you're the meme

>>51903321
you could have a discussion independent of his posts and his taste you know.

>>51896469
Either b8 or retarded

jk that's redundant

>>51903321
I haven't made an effort to share some exciting less known bands, that's true. But Yowie actually is the peak of Math Rock.

>>51903428
It might be structurally interesting, but sonically Yowie is boring as all hell. Not to mention the drums are really lacking

Is Zach Hill the best progressive style drummer ever?

>>51903450
>sonically
What? At times they make the guitars sound like human voices. Are you sure you listened to Cryptooology and not just the first track?
And there are some really cool drums fills from time to time.

>>51903455
Hey Fred Armisen parrot, do some Portland gutter punks material. That shit is hilarious.

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>>51903268
Highly recommending this, discovered it a few days ago
It's a great mix of math/prog/jazz fusion, and free too.
http://fatherfigure.bandcamp.com/album/congratulations-on-your-loss

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btw this is the best TTNG release (and it's not because of them)

>>51903485
>At times
>From time to time

So basically what you're saying is that most of the time it has a very tired sound to it? Wow, color me impressed

>>51903455
Furio Chirico from Arti e Mestieri is. He makes drum fills in between drum breaks, and drum breaks in between drum fills!
It's like 70s Breakcore.

>>51903521
Nice, will check it out.

>>51903537
No, I'm saying that from time to time it gets exceptionally good. But it seems that you never noticed those moments, so I recommend you to listen to the album again and give it an actual careful listen.

>>51903540
>It's like 70s Breakcore.
will looking into

>>51903567
If it's only exceptionally good from time to time, I definitely wouldn't call Yowie the best math rock band

>>51903455
I'm convinced Zach is actually a Viking god
http://vimeo.com/4522943
The dude was ripped back then

>>51903588
Some drumming sections and some guitar sounds are exceptionally good, creative and original. But when it comes to the whole album, with it's combinations of rhythm, dynamics, melody, timbre, and structure, it gets exceptionally good through the whole 30 minutes when compared to almost every other Math Rock band. There isn't a single boring moment, because it was intended to have no "empty space", meaning they would replace every "average" moment with an interesting riff.

>>51903703
That's an incredibly stupid way at looking at empty space. If every moment is supposed to be interesting, nothing really feels terribly interesting

>>51903455
he is america's drummer

>>51903751
It might seem weird, but it really manages to get interesting for the whole 30 minutes. Maybe because they combine different types of excitement through the album. Keep in mind they spent around three years making the album, practicing around 6 hours, 4 days a week. I remember they said in an interview they would practive the same ~6 second long riff for hours, non-stop.

Tool and The Mars Volta

>>51903809
It really isn't that interesting though. Like I said, interesting structure can get you far, but they really don't do much in the way of the actual sound

>>51903814
Meshuggah and Liturgy

>>51903872
I don't agree with you. Their sound is constantly morphing all the time. But let's suppose they don't, in that case, then who does?

>>51902479
that was fucking terrible, what the hell.

>>51898319
>too stupid to see how music styles bleed into other styles
kill yourself.

>>51903935
Battles does an excellent job of it
Let us just call it abstract
Deep Turtle

>>51904050
The Beatles do an excellent job*

Sorry about that.

>>51903268
>implying you did the chart
>implying you actually talk about other stuff
lmao

>>51904232
w/

>>51904232
epic lmao i like it

>>51904257
I didn't made the chart.
And I do, but not on this thread.

>>51904050
Fair enough.