daily reminder that most "complex" music sucks all

>>51840191
>emotion
You just went full plebeian.

>>51840191
Is this true guys?

>>51840191
I only listen to music that has been created by complicated algorithms

daily reminder that when art dares to venture out of Hallmark territory it's contrived and useless

>>51840228
I see you're a fan of aliencore.

>>51840191
Daily reminder that supporting anti-intellectualism and the devolution of music is worse than wank.

>>51840277
>complex songwritting
>evolution of music
diste un top kek

>>51840191
i just listen to music that ryhmes shit like heart and art and like love withabove cuz tbh that shit goes hord

ima write a new banger

im in love
nicelike glove
your heart
makess me fart
gotta feel great
open the gate
buckle my shoe
one two

there's no point to technical music
technical music kills what it is to be music

>>51840309
>>51840311
Can you tell me what you listen to?

>>51840325
Mozart
John Fahey
the list goes on and on

OP here, also don't forget "complex" songwriting is only acceptable when it's a solo instrumental album

>>51840325
MBDTF and Run the Jewels

>>51840343
Ewww, meme classical.

>>51840343
;^)

>>51840401
Thought so. You are in no position to criticize music, or even pretend your opinion matters.

>i'm stupid and don't understand it so i'll just say it's shit to hide the fact that i'm stupid and don't understand music. neutral milks and weezer 4 lyfe

>>51840311

yeah man i just play my 4 bar chords and babes love it, why would i waste time learning anything else

>>51840325
the beatles
kanye wes
baethoven
miles davis
jimi hendrix

>>51840423
>;^)
i was serious in that post though

>>51840191
daily reminder that most kids like you think that just because something is complex or technical means that it must be devoid of emotion.

This is asinine.

Sure some complex music is devoid of intent or any emotional connection. There is also some extremely complex and technical music that is highly evocative, emotional and heartfelt.

The two have little to do with each other. Music's complexity, technicality, and emotional impact should all be evaluated as separate and unrelated entities.

ooga booga ook ooga booka ook *insert simple drum beat* ooga booga ook ooga booka ook *insert simple drum beat* swag nigga ooga booga

10/10 BNM

what are some example of complex music that isn't classical.

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>>51840471
>complex music fans can't think of any arguments
as usual, back to listening to bach with you

So, are you saying that you've never felt any emotion conveyed through a song with "complex" writing before?

>>51840191
daily reminder you suck dicks

>>51840325
Migos
Bobby Shmurda
Steve Reich
Wayne Shorter
Miles Davis

>>51840521
classical music isn't complex though

>>51840521
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bd45UvTeyY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Cro2yxRjw

>>51840553
I know

>not programming all of your music in Max MSP and then putting it through large hall reverb in ableton.

do you even compexity?

Complex music is for the tone death

I've never heard a complex song that was grammatically correct it always leaves me feeling like the person who made it has no idea about music and why it sounds good

>>51840526
>>51840517
see
>>51840525

>>51840557
Those are both garbage.

>>51840587
>first song is 8 minutes long
>second song is 4 minutes long
>not even a minute after post
>both songs are garbage

ayy lmao ;^)

You never said to link good music anyways

>>51840587
it's only been one minute, you didn't even hear the first song.

>>51840610
But complex = good right?

>>51840620
When did I imply this?

Even then, the average complex song is better than the average simple song.
better =/= good

What exactly makes music "complex"

>>51840557
Lol

>>51840579

>grammatically correct

lol autism

>>51840557
>avant-jazz and quirky lolsorandom metal

ayy lmao

>>51840620
Complexity doesn't guarantee that music will be good. It creates the possibility of goodness.

The less complex music is, the more limited it becomes. Complexity creates ways of expanding those limitations.

Why do most anti-intellectualists and pro-devolutionists always assume complex is synonymous with wank?

>>51840663
>doesn't see notation and melodic values as words

How does it feel to be tone death

>>51840705

go back to your bach grandpa

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>>51840576
>tfw oversteps

>>51840702
see
>>51840508

It's easier to disregard music they don't understand than it is to take the time to learn about and try to understand it.

what a terrible thread

>>51840677
I consider something with heart complex.

Take the song heroin for example. Only 2 chords not complex at all but it's got heart. So I consider it complex. Or The Beatles or beethoven. Like A day in the life or shes leaving home. 5th 7th and 9th

That's how I define complex.

How would you define it?

>>51840557
The first song is great but the second song hurts my head, how the fuck can you like this shit?

>>51840677
>Complexity doesn't guarantee that music will be good. It creates the possibility of goodness.
The less complex music is, the more limited it becomes. Complexity creates ways of expanding those limitations.

What is different melodies, tones, tempo, harmony, and rhythm?

>>51840557
>MORE NOTES = BETTER MUSIC

I'm going to make a song mashing a bunch of random piano notes and strumming guitars and banging on drums and adding random noises

MORE COMPLEX MEANS BETTER

in this point in music history it is more complex to make a simple song with great emotion than a "complex" and "experimental" song

>>51840772
It's metal's answer to avant-jazz and the only good metal album.

>>51840810
I never said more complex means better. Where are you assuming this?

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>>51840191
autechre makes me feel many different deep and complex emotions

>>51840824
>It's metal's answer to avant-jazz and the only good metal album.

Holy fucking shit...

>>51840191
unique musical concepts>>>technological craft>>>>>>>>>>>>emotional content

i guearantee you are in high school... might as well kill yourself my man. if you listen to music yto relate to it emotionally you are simply appealing to the most basic senses. its like eating junk food and watching tv. try engaging your mind faggot.

>>51840810
see
>>51840637

>>51840766
I would disagree with you.

I think they're completely separate things. I think all the songs you mentioned are good and do have "heart" as you put it. I wouldn't say "Heroin" is very complex though, because it only has two simple chords and a simple melodic line. It's a good song though.

Complexity is really just about how complicated the music is. It can be harmonically, melodically, rhythmically, lyrically complex... etc.

But I see it as a different thing from being heartfelt or having "soul" or whatever you want to call it.

You fucking fags obviously haven't heard Guthrie Govan

>>51840854
What's wrong with this statement?

>>51840859
>Become an emotionless robot just like me! It makes you look smarter!

literally fedora logic

>>51840325
my top played on last.fm is brian ferneyhough for reference (new complexity)
too often do people, in my opinion, equate technical prowess with music quality. a very male thing to do, i think.
i'm >>51840311

>>51840891
>Strawman greentext

insert meme-insult here

>>51840810
see
>>51840677

>>51840876
>lyrically complex

This is another thing.

What is lyrical complexity?

Some people consider Bob Dylan to be the greatest lyricist and I would agree but it's because he's got heart. His rhyming isn't all that great compared to rappers like MF DOOM and Nas or eminem. Their rhyming is very complex and has lots of syllables rhyming, much more than bob dylan but more complex doesn't mean better.

>>51840919
What makes judging music based on emotion superior to judging music based on technical quality?

It's subjective, similar to how one likes one genre, and another likes a different genre.

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>>51840859
>listening too gimmick music
>not understanding music
>being over 18

>>51840191
>>51840309
>>51840311
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>>51840579
>>51840587
>>51840620
>>51840645
>>51840667
>>51840723
>>51840810

This is what sludge metal and hip hop fans do to music discussions. It's time to kick them all out.

>>51840854
Funny enough, probably not the worst post ITT.

>>51840981
I DONT EVEN LIKE HIP HOP OR METAL FUCK OFF STRAWMAN

>>51840945
>complex doesn't mean better

Exactly.

Even within just the subject of lyricism you can break down different levels of complexity as you say. Rhyming, assonance, dissonance, phrasing, meter, metaphors... there are so many different levels that complexity can work on.

And none of it guarantees the music will be good.

I don't know about all of you, and maybe it has to do with my synesthesia, but I find that music that has many different layers and strange sounds extremely emotionally stimulating, more so than a simple acoustic guitar riff type song. Very layered and complex tracks take me places I've never imagined and makes me feel things I never thought I'd feel

>>51841007
It's the truth though, metal is a stale genre built around wank, which is the worst kind of complexity there is.

Obscura is the only good metal album, the avantgarde jazz influence on the album is obvious.

Expiremental music in 2014 = tone deaf retard with a laptop that wouldn't have been granted the priveledge to showcase music without the internet

Experimental music fans in 2014 = tone deaf retards who don't understand music and why it's good and only listen to it because it's so social engrained in human life now it would be weird for someone not to listen to music

Reminder that the people who perform complex music have spent countless hours mastering their craft and are performing music that will never give them commercial recognition. They do it purely for love of the music.

>>51841073
Is English your first language, or are you just from California?

>77 replies
>23 posters

Yeah, nice try OP.

>>51841073
>tone deaf
kill yourself my man. music that disregard tone is the greatest music.

>>51841185
>I listen to music cause I was told to
>not because I connect with it on a subconscious level

>>51840191
true, but autechre can actually pull off emotionless music, which is why they're one of the most important bands of the 21st century.

>>51841245
what the fuck are you talking about? that had nothing to do with what that guy was pointing out. He's right.

>>51841277
How is Autechre emotionless?

>>51841049
What about other jazz influenced metal albums like this? What are your opinions on them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFUQ7RVe31M

>>51841283
>thinks he can connect with toneless music
>doesn't understand music and why it's good

Kill yourself dude

>>51841325
well most of it is generated by max. i'm talking modern autechre, though. they've gotten more complex and emotionless as their career ages. when they do emotion it's pretty powerful, though. but they don't really do it anymore except on really subtle, encrypted levels.

>>51841371
you seriously think popular music is better than art music. lmao

>>51841353
They are mostly shitty gimmicky groups who use the jazz as a gimmick rather than an actual respectable element of the music.

>>51841371
Just because you can't connect with music any more complex than 12 tones, doesn't mean that everyone is at the same level you are on.

>>51841371
I hope you're really drunk/high right now and not always this stupid.

>>51841384
>he thinks classical music is toneless

okay pleb

>he creates irrelevant strawmen

okay nigger

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>>51841384
>art music

>>51841384
>>51841408
>>51841414
Hey dudes I collect hats aswell. What type of hats you guys got???

>>51841392
>jazz as a gimmick rather than an actual respectable element of the music

Jazz itself is a gimmick though.

>>51841482
Music itself is a gimmick though.

>>51841379
I think that the subtlety of alot of autechre's music makes it all the more emotionally powerful, depending on how you see it.

>>51841384
>le art music is better than pop music meme
try harder

>>51841476
I have a leather snapback, but I don't usually wear hats. Right now I'm sitting in my chair wearing a black fur jacket, slurpee t shirt, polka dot boxer briefs, and geobaskets.

>>51840924
I knew it was bait, but i still bit, why?

>>51841565
>geobaskets
>listens to obscure experimental music

hey dude cool .I let a trolling forum change my life aswell

Jealous indiefag that sucks at his instrument detected

>>51841743
My tastes were already heading in this direction before I was on this site, this site just helped me "refine" them. No shame, just love.

>>51841073
>people like things I don't like
>they must be physically defective or just doing it for social approval
yup, definitely no issues with that argument

>>51840191
No.

>>51840553
It's the only complex music
>>51840766
>liberals believe it is fine to redefine words
>>51840810
Random notes isn't complex you child.
>>51840945
muh feels

>>51841954
>my tastes were already evolving into a meme before this site
>now I am the meme

>>51842255
Now the thread is complete :^)

>>51842106
>refined taste
>owns geobaskets

kek kill yourself kid

>>51842263
we will all become the big meme one day, anon.

>>51842255
>classical music is the only complex music
alright bud, time to give up the bait

>>51842331
Somebody uses the incorrect definition of complex.