THE BIRTH OF A REALIZATION
THE RISE OF A HIGH EXPECTATION
ALSO WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN LISTENING TO LATELY PROGRESSIVE ROCK FRIENDS???
First for anglo prog is best prog
What's the purpose of daily prog threads if barely anyone talks about new stuff
Pic related is decent German neo-prog album
>le wrong generation
Come on, there's a lot of good modern stuff
Yeah Steve Wilson and Porcupine Tree are good, but
Prog is one of the few things in music I will defen. It has def gotten worse over time.
Yes, but there's still some good stuff
What's wrong with Opeth TMV and Mastodon?
You obviously aren't a prog metal fan I guess so you should try Phideaux, Spock's Beard Echolyn, Beardfish and Magma
This chart might be better for you
Have you even listened to them
Eh, so you're into my least favorite ones? I'd recommend you Oceansize, dredg, Karnivool and maybe Dear Hunter from this chart
On The Sunday of life?
That's universally considered their worst album yet Scaruffi considers it their best
Funny thing though is that when I was young and I got into PT I loved their prg metal phase the most while now, I prefer their psychedelic/pop-rock one
It's incredible how much better it is compared to debut, instead of being just a collection of random songs and tons of filler, this was made as a true band and as such it's much more cohesive, Synesthesia, Always Never and Burning Sky are incredible tracks.
Do you consider this prog?
no matter, hail to the king baby
I used to like this band but I came back to that album a month or so ago, it's literally garbage.
There isn't anything from bandcamp there.
And I honestly think prog has got better, but that's just my opinion
Yeah I used to think that but the only think they have going for them are their melodies, which get really annoying after more than one listen. Even Beyond Man and Time, which was one of my favourite albums of the year in 2012, now rubs me the wrong way. Their solos are some of the worst I have ever heard
But it's expanded much beyond that definition. People call King Crimson wankery. Fuck, people call PINK FLOYD wankery. People call anything with any sort of technicality wankery.
Animals As Leaders are an instrumental tech prog band, so I feel like they lack the pretentious element necessary for them to be called wankery.
Same with LTE. Those types of bands are really just skilled musicians having some fun.
Stuff like Dream Theater is certified wankery though, because they always try to work in some contrived story.
Hmm no I think you're missing the point of the term, it's not just "bad prog", it's specifically show-off instrumentalism that is really just key-mashing (or string-mashing) with no relation to key, time or melody. AAL are the fucking definition.
DT's solo sections from like 2000 onwards are also the definition though, especially Rudess' keyboard solos.
What you are talking about is pretention. Wankery is basically extreme displays of musicianship that don't really work from a song-writing perspective. Every single band you listed is guilty of wankery, but not because they make (shitty) concept albums.
But that's what I'm saying.
If a band's only thing is instrumental complexity, then it's not really wank because it's not unnecessarily added to any sort of emotional or conceptual context.
They have absolutely no groove or rhythm or band chemistry so no they aren't a jam band
Mostly, although with Haken in particular they do push my buttons a bit with their god damn lelsorandom solos. Leprous rarely though, I think they're 99% solid.
The point of that chart is for not-really-prog-but-sort-of stuff.
Well, if a band's only thing is instrumental complexity, then they are an objectively bad band and not worth our time discussing
>Well, if a band's only thing is instrumental complexity, then they are an objectively bad band and not worth our time discussing
I feel you, but I must disagree. I much prefer the cathartic complexity of Hella or Yowie to the contrived songwriting of Dream Theater or Pain Of Salvation.
I think that calculated intensity can sometimes convey a lot more emotion.
whats the point of just posting the album art?
what if i want to listen and i don't know the band's name and can't read that crappy font?
you are not contributing with posts like this
No, that would make it purely wank. It doesn't matter what the band is trying to accomplish. The question is: does this sound okay? Does this make sense in the context of the song? Are these guys just showing off? If the answer is yes, then it is wank, regardless of what their goal is.
Yeah but if a band has "calculated intensity", then they probably have a good balance between soft and loud, manic and calm, which is something other than wankery
Yeah they're the only ones that are more prog than alt-rock. It's really just a chart for finding similar albums, all of them have prog elements to different levels
Definitely, above all but Deadwing and FOABP for me. (but Insurgentes is still best solo album)
Nah. No-Man it sort of an acquired taste, but Bass Communion is shittier.
In any case, there is a ton of really beautiful instrumental and production work on Returning Jesus, Together We're Stranger and Flowermouth.
No-Man also draws influence from a lot of bands, from King Crimson to Talk Talk.
hey, what modern prog rock albums would you guys suggest for someone who's into older prog rock but hasn't listened to much newer stuff. I /have/ heard The Raven That Refused to Sing and I loved that but what others are out there that I'm missing?
This brings up another question: is it physically possible to play fast and complex parts on an organ without it sounding like wankery?
Piano and guitar (at least acoustic guitar) are generally okay for fast parts, but pretty much every time an organ solo gets going I cringe endlessly. All the notes just blur into each other until its a corny mess of warbling wankery.
Romantic warrior at least sounds like they play together.
Mahavishnu to me seems like a great band came together to make great fusion. then after that's done some drugged up selfish guitar player recorded his playing over that to "show them how it's really done"
I feel a great deal of my distaste for No-Man is Bowness. I just think his voice is so draining, the same reason I can't into a lot of gothic rock/darkwave. I have given them a lot of time but they seriously bore the fuck out of me, even more than Bass Communion. And I usually love Wilson's slow dreary emotional stuff
Do you want stuff that sounds like older prog or stuff that's actually good.
Well then, most of it sounds like >>51780590 or >>51780402 (>>51780312 is an alternate of the second)
If you don't like metal or alternative rock you're going to have a hard time finding stuff in modern prog that's good, but if you do then it's basically endless. I'd recommend starting with Oceansize, Porcupine Tree and Riverside, they're pretty much considered the best/most influential
We've had this discussion before, if anything's going to replace it, it would be III, but I is far more concise, and gets through most of their styles in a very short time.
II, in my honest opinion, is overlong and frankly dull for a lot of its length.
Today I found out the father of my partner is a huge Yes fan and played the full Fragile album (among other things) through the turntable he bought today.
This week I have been enjoying Echolyn and Closure in Moscow a lot. Both are some kind of explosive/hyperactive/ambitious Prog. If you are into that kind of stuff, check them out!
Also, here's a song by Henry Cow called Nirvana for Mice
The end is so intense it's almost an emotional peak for me.
Not a Prog fan at all but found this today and kinda liked it
That's a really weird cover
No, it's his weakest solo album
>No-Man was Wilson's shittiest project
No fucking way, Returning Jesus and Flovermouth are excellent albums, I would say IEM is his worst
Rush is pretty good
By the way after making essential 200's prog chart I decided to make one for the 90's, what should I add?
Could Isis and Neurosis be considered progressive metal?
Rush are one of those technical for the sake of it bands, hence why bands like DT are running around. Also factor in how much bandwagon jumping they do, and the really bad fanbase who see no wrong in everything they do.
U Totem, Thinking Plague, Ruins, Ozric Tentacles, Atheist, Echolyn, Forever Einstein, Il Berlione, Mike Keneally, Chainsaw Jazz, Tipographica, Hoppy Kamiyama, Happy Family, Mats/Morgan, Spice Girls, Blast, Koenjihyakkei, Dragon Blue, Akineton Retard, Korekyojinn
>That's a really weird cover
I'm fairly new to prog, since I'm working my way up from the late 60s. Maybe you guys have heard it all, I don't know, but here's some tracks that I liked or would at least listen to again out of interest...
(Uriel) Arzachel- Garden of Earthly Delights
(Egg) Egg- Fugue in D Minor, Boilk, Symphony No. 2
(Egg) Polite Force- A Visit to Newport Hospital, Long Piece No. 3 (Part 2)
(Soft Machine) Volume Two
(King Crimson) The Court of the Crimson King, Cat Food
(Fields) A Friend of Mine, Over and Over Again, The Eagle
(Khan) Space Shanty- Stranded
(Hatfield and the North) Son of 'There's no Place like Homerton'
(Rare Bird) Iceberg, Times, You Went Away, Beautiful Scarlet
(Rare Bird) Epic Forest- Baby Listen, Her Darkest Hour, Title No. 1 Again, Roadside Welcome
Also, if you know of any 60s-70s prog bands that are above and beyond, let me know and I'll have a listen.
I listened to Genesis' first two albums. I was underwhelmed. I only liked "White Mountain".
Heard the Mothers of Invention's first three albums, and Yes' first five or six albums, they were pretty nice. Moody Blues I need to get to real soon. Family, I've never heard of em. I'll put em on my list.