>>51731844 some great 2014 jazz as the title suggests it's only nouvelle vague movies themes (which are often pretty jazzy by themselves) and one or two songs for similar idea (but on piano solo this time, and only with Godard's movie themes), you can also try pic related
David Virelles- Mbókò: Sacred Music for Piano, Two Basses, Drum Set and Biankoméko Abakuá (2014)
>modern creative, spiritual jazz, Afro-Cuban >Pianist David Virelles takes influence from his native land of Cuba and translates the traditional music of the Abakuá religion and interprets it with modern jazz sensibilities, producing music that sounds both traditional and sacred, and adventurous and modern. Between the dark harmony of the piano, the two double-basses, and the unique timbre of the Biankoméko drum, this is a very innovative and original record.
>>51733240 Crispell's album with Joseph Jarman, Connecting Spirits, is also pretty rad. Braxton has worked with a ton of great female musicians as well. Ingrid Laubrock, Katherine Young, Joelle Leandre, etc.
>>51729580 Do you guys think there is a lack of light hearted performers in modern jazz? There's a lot of good music being put out but I find myself gravitating more towards people like Dizzy Gillespie who were really amiable in the way they played and presented themselves. It doesn't even have to be upbeat just that there doesn't seem to be as much playfulness.
>>51734189 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOauk3Lbf_A Fusion like this is kinda in a weird place. This is very funk influenced and I'd be sooner to call it that than jazz. Funk has never had a problem with being too serious. >>51734200 Never heard of this before but the cover makes me suspicious. What's it like?
>>51734150 Nah. On certain record labels like ECM there definitely is, but even then there are some artists who don't take their music too seriously like Dave Holland or Paul Motion who recorded on ECM. In general I just see ECM as a serious artistic label where musicians record their ambitious and serious ideas. A lot of ECM artists also record on other labels with lighter ideas.
>>51734367 Where else is good? I usually go for ECM and sometimes Criss Cross for modern stuff if I'm not looking for a particular artist. >>51734380 Ha, this is class. The drums are fucking all over the place.
>>51734448 I loved that record. The soloing is mad in it. The soloists are always going in such abstract directions away from the structure but the bass and drums do a great job of anchoring the whole thing. Everyone just felt so under pressure during the recordings and it came across in the soloing because they all sound so frantic which fits really well with the way Dizzy writes tunes. If you've just picked it up I'd spend a while listening to it. Like give it a while to sink in and then try out Kenny Dorham - Whistle Stop Not quite as intense as For Musicians only but a really nice bebop album that goes from really angular and out there stuff to a bit more straightforward. Really nice drumming that probably goes towards what you're looking for.
>>51734680 See that's not really what I wanted to come across as saying. I really like albums like>>51734150 I just think there's been an attitude shift and that we could do with a few more people trying to make really good music that can still be really fun. >>51734633 Haven't heard of some of these. Taking note. Thanks anon.
To all the people who ENJOYYYY this music... I have said it before, I will say it again, but this is the last time I will say it. This is crap. This is not real. I am a professional musician and this has been clinically proven by the American Medical Journel to have an ADVERSE effect on neural transmitters which are essential to everyday function. Now fuck off. I am fucking elegant. I will eloquently serve yo ass. GO home and tell your wife to fuck you in the face. THis music is just wrong. What? you're dum. fuck off. piss off. shit off. i have a problem with you. YOu are not welcome in my world, or anyone else's for that matter. I am annoyed. love me. fuck you. I am a PROFESSIONAL, do not QUESTION my predicament. For these reasons I will have to tell you to go eat a fuck. BADbye (Get it? Get it? GET IT?). now eat off you fugly ass-wenches!!!1!!1!
>>51734807 I also like more "serious" jazz, but why does ALL of it has to be so serious all the time? I mean, jazz musician are usually light hearted people, it's a shame they don't reflect it on their art.
>>51735004 things got intellectualized by pretentious try-hards like monk and mingus. it's no coincidence both wore funny hats. of course there's lots of jazz that is entertaining and has artistic merit.
>>51735098 Except that they had really playful music too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcR2Q_teVM4 Mingus usually sounded like he was having a blast when he was playing and wrote and played his material to be really enjoyable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxailNkhpXs Monk did too in his own kinda odd syncopated, idiosyncratic way. People were playing this music academically before them though so I wouldn't go around blaming them just because they were influential and often took their playing seriously. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaPeks0H3_s >>51735004 >>51735084 >>51735141 >>51735195 This is why I didn't want to start this argument. Someone always ends up getting pissed off.
that's the problem right there. in the good ol' days of jazz music, there were no jazz schools. you'd start out in a high school band, if you had money, go to music school. but most of the real learning was done one the road.
>>51735237 It's really not that I'm pissed off, it's that I just think what you're saying (that it's a "shame" that more light-hearted people don't make more light-hearted jazz) is totally nonsensical. What do you want, man? If you want to listen to Sunday brunch jazz, fucking do it. There are hundreds of jazz musicians out there doing exactly that because that's what they want to do. There are more musicians out there than 10 dudes from the 60s, you know.
>>51735229 That's mostly true. I like to think my school is pretty inclusive of non classical/jazz music. However I feel like if my school was more selective and serious about our players' skill levels things could be a lot better.
>>51735272 Times have changed. You really need to be a solid player to get gigs these days. There aren't too many of them and there some really good players out there who want even the crappier gigs cause they need the money.
Could any of you people who've actually studied jazz recommend a rock bassist some good ways to transition over to jazz? I know scales and how to construct chords quite well and I can play along aptly to a lot of simpler blues stuff but I find it hard to figure out a lot of the chords to bebop tunes by ear. Could people maybe rec some standards that are easy enough to learn and play?
>>51735407 >any of you people who've actually studied jazz recommend a rock bassist some good ways to transition over to jazz? >I know scales and how to construct chords quite well and I can play along aptly to a lot of simpler blues stuff but I find it hard to figure out a lot of the chords to bebop tunes by ear. >Could people maybe rec some standards that are easy enough to learn
There are plenty of good resources on this for youtube. The biggest thing for me was learning how to play within form.
That and transcribing what other people are doing. It sounds stupid, but Mel Bay has a lot of good books. You'll need to learn how to read music but if you are looking to transition, there is an abundance of information. Just need to choose which methodology works best for you.
>>51735407 Go download the real book and start playing some tunes. As a bassist you're gonna have to be able to play the head of the song, do a walking bass line over the changes and then solo over the changes. Walking is gonna be your biggest challenge for a while especially when you start playing tunes with harder changes.
>>51735430 Lol this was actually one of the like 3 standards I have learned. I do like that it's really easy to fit in chormatisism and still keep it really fluid but I often find myself sticking too close to the shapes of the chords. Like I'm thinking "now I'm playing over the Cmaj7 and now the Dmaj7" without a lot of thought as to moving between the two really smoothly. >>51735447 I haven't done any transcribing but I have heard that helps. Thing is, I don't have a huge amount of theory. I'm not classically trained so beyond noticing that something doesn't belong to a progression I don't think I'd actually be able to asses what I was transcribing. I can tentatively read music though so there's that. >>51735495 >Go download the real book and start playing some tunes. Will do. Most of the stuff I have been playing hasn't been too strenuous but I've not had a huge amount of trouble keeping up walking bass lines. I'm pretty strong rhythmically.
for those in jazz school: do kids exclusively listen to 1960's (and later) jazz these days? or is there still some respect and interest for louis armstrong, lester young, coleman hawkins, roy eldridge etc. Are those greats of old still being taught at all?
On 4chan seemingly no-one is interested in swing, bb, dixieland etc.
>>51735603 Of course not. Bebop, swing and hard-bop are the styles that are really taught at jazz school. Pre-bop and bebop are probably what are studied the most. Most schools don't even really get into jazz after the early 60's. As for what the students listen to... It's a mixed bag. I know jazz students who don't listen to almost anything modern and I know some who really keep up with everything coming out now.
>>51735603 Earliest thing people listen to is Bird and Dizzy in my experience. People listen to a lot of stuff from the late 50's and on. I'd be surprised if any more than a handful of my friends listened to any of those guys.
I don't really like to listen to anything before the late 50's really. The audio quality is really gets to me. I have a lot of trouble listening past it.
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