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you're not my dad you cant tell me what to do
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>>51668406
because i don't make "beats"
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but I am

also

>2014.8
>not having a black skin for unAbleton
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The more I work on them the more I start to hate them/think they suck.
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>>51668481
dude. it's ableton. why would you be using a junk VST like that that emulates a TR? this isn't goddamn Reason you don't need Redrum.
i get that workflow varies between people, but... drum rack is the ultimately flexible perc device.
i'm just confused why you would use drumazon.
also that UI is ugly AF.
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>>51668406
Because I have work.

It also takes a while to make something that isn't terrible.
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>>51668481
I don't like the cut of your jib
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>>51668500

every time an established (read: not some bandcamp racially mixed guy LA guy producing "chill beatz") producer talks about his catalogue, they always talk about how many YEARS it took them to get the sound they wanted

tl;dr: try harder faggot, and keep producing
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>>51668533

This guy gets it!
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>>51668533

>why would you be using a junk VST

because

>workflow varies between people

Also, that's a lot of buttpain bro
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I am rn actually

anyone else using FL?
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>>51668619
actually zero buttpain, i'm just genuinely confused. it strikes me as really inefficient in the software world. but whetever lifts your luggage homie. ultimately what matters is the sounds you make, so i hope all is well on that front. good luck
>>51668599
lol
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>>51668533
>using redrum in reason
who even does that anymore?
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But I am OP.

https://soundcloud.com/shred-aea/awadda-original-mix-work-in-progress

Link related, something I am close to finishing
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everything i make just ends up being a justin broadrick ripoff

why even bother
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>>51668406
because I have to go to work.

>>51668642
yeah FL master race
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>>51668533
>that UI is ugly AF.
based EMD PLUR RAVER
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Recently 'finished' up this one.

https://soundcloud.com/muonmusic/caterpillar-march

So yeah, I am working on those unfinished beats.
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>>51668735

Works for me. All I want is a thing that plays samples and redrum plays samples.
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>>51668406
>implying beats

no, i make death metal like a adult... you know with REAL instruments?
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>>51669131

>i make death metal like a adult
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>>51669131
>i make death metal like a adult
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>>51669131
this is a good post lol
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>>51669044
So does kong, and it's way more versatile for playing around with samples.
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>>51669268

good point, but why are people so OMFG I CANT BELIEVE YOU USE X?

It fills my needs, and yes I am aware there are more capable software out there....but. It. Just. Werks.
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i am, and hope to put out an EP today
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>>51669014
>https://soundcloud.com/muonmusic/caterpillar-march
the synths are really bad. the blippity bloops in the beginning are a groundwork for something interesting but give it space and room to breathe. more effects, more modulation of things to give it motion other than those cheesy synth presets. this is currently some kind of backing track to some educational video is what it sounds like. which honestly means it's marketable, just not in the most glamorous of ways.
keep playing. keep working.
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>>51668870
>>51669329
FL studio has such a dumb UI.
>>51668406
why is your screen so tiny lol. everything has weird proportions in ableton.
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>>51669268

To be honest I've just updated to Reason 5 from 4 and still use what I always did. Kong looks pretty fancy at a second glance.

>>51669342
Cheers for the feedback. I don't know if I'd agree with you though, I deliberately made it bleepy and bloopy, none of the synths I use in my songs are preset. The synths are atypical of what I usually make, give my other stuff a listen and you'll see what I mean.

Ta. :)
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>>51668406
I'm too much of a hack to ever finish anything, so I'll be happy about my shitty 1-8 bar loops.
How do I finish a track?
Isn't there usually some sort of structure?
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>>51669413

It's easy. Screw structure, you don't need it (yes you do, but it comes second)

Make 8 bars, copy/paste it over and make the next 8 bars different. Etc etc.

If what you make initially sounds loud and exciting then drag it 50-80 seconds into the song and make a buildup to it. 8-16 bars of 'chorus' then break it down, then do it again. Now you have a track with the same structure as most EDM (intro-buildup-drop-postdrop-breakdown-buildup-drop-postdrop).

It's easier than you think to make a 'track'. You can think about structure and how you want he song to be shaped after you've made it.
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>>51669402
yeah "preset sound" is not necessarily true.. but they do sound cheesy and unsophisticated, like a lot of amateur synth sound design.
but it's impossible to please everyone on a cambodian maymay consortium so don't take me opinion to seriously.
best wishes
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>>51669504
>you can think about how to make the track that you're making only after you've it
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>>51668454
u sure?
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>>51669612

You know what I mean though. If you can make 8bar loops then you can make 32 bar phrases and 4 32 bar phrases make a complete track if you put them together.

You can leave the finer structure of your track until last. Getting the fundamentals down comes first.

>>51669547

I know exactly what you mean. Simple sine synths can be a bit weak sometimes.
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>>51669547
>cambodian maymay consortium
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B-but I am OP
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>>51669413
my -general- method of music
>intro riff
>transition into different, but similar riff, and start adding percussion
>slight alterations to percussion/melody for some bars
>semi-climax where things slow down, go back to the intro riff, and/or starts with a new riff
>energy picks back up again into the "true" climax by adding percussion once again and making melody intense

Thing is, you don't have to even have climaxes or anything, and shit varies depending on genre. What you'll definitely want to start with, though, is having your intro, then trying to "transition" your intro into something more interesting, whether it's by adding another instrument/vst, adding some more tones to your current melody, and/or kicking the percs up
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>>51669694
>making a track from a single loop stretched over 128 measures
>acceptable
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>>51669718
>Massive
>Massive
>Massive
>Massive
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>>51669770
yeah, this.

muon, it makes sense for a quick sketch maybe but it's generally not going to give you good results for most styles
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>>51669784
it's only the best softsynth out there

also those a frozen and flattened
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>>51669718
Stop reposting that image and let me tell that guy who originally made it that he should use fucking automation and custom presets instead of running a billion instances of massive.
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>>51669770

Did I say that? If I'd have meant a 128 bars of loop then I've had said that.

>If you can make 8bar loops then you can make 32 bar phrases and 4 32 bar phrases make a complete track

As in if you can make an 8 bar loop then you can make 4 DIFFERENT but SIMILAR 8 bar loops and stick them together to make a 32 bar PHRASE.

You need 4 phrases to have a structure in a track and they. Intro, chorus, breakdown, outro.

>>51669799

That's all I was suggesting. Composing a Sonata when all you can make is 8 bar loops is going to be a struggle. Start small and simple and work up.
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>>51669829

but i use automation and make my own presets? each one of those is for a particular sound
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>>51668481
hey anon, how is Drumazon?
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>>51669874
You can swap presets with automation, also automated return tracks.
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>>51669799
It actually works fine with deep house and certain subgenres of hip-hop like g-funk.
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>>51669893

yeah but easier to compress + eq this way
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>>51669928
Return tracks plus automation.
Honestly, maybe it's just a personal issue, but I like producing the most convoluted and "elegant" way I can.
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>>51669852
>implying loop-based music doesn't have its own studied system of nuance and subtlety
>implying loop-based music is just what one does when starting out
>implying any sonata is better than a well-executed loop work
try not to undersell it
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>>51669992
>there are people who think that making a good loop based song is easier
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>>51669852
>You need 4 phrases to have a structure in a track
>and they. Intro, chorus, breakdown, outro.
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>>51669966

ive started grouping and coloring alot more, but honestly i don't like automating and rerouting, easier to ctrl+t/whatever and freeze + flatten when you're done, don't want to save every stupid little sound as a preset either
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>>51669889

it's not that "flexible", just as the autist above pointed out. But it works with my workflow.
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>>51670032
does it try to emulate 909 sounds or does it do something different
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>>51670030
As I said, it's probably just me being autistic.
The last thing I tried doing was making an EDM track out of nothing but a feedback loop, shit was pretty hype to make, but overall it sucked pretty hard.
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>>51669966

sounds like you've got a good workflow and are disciplined, hard for me to be that when i'm in the zone but props
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>>51670078
>sounds like you've got a good workflow and are disciplined
I don't.
I try to solve things the most convoluted and ineffective way possible, because I think that's [spoiler]fun[/spoiler]
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>>51670063

sounds wicked, show me yours i'll show you mine
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>>51668642
hell yea fl man

and I'm not because I'm at school, although that hasn't stopped me before
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>>51668642

Billain and Noisia seem to have no problem using FL
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>>51670062

>does it try to emulate 909

yes, and IIRC the sound is of course not exactly like a "real" 909 but close enough nonetheless.

I am not a gear fetishist so I don't really care about how close the sound is to the real stuff. As far as the other functions go, I rarely use them. I just don't like to spend the bulk of my time carefully programming my drums. I throw Drumazon on a channel, re-route and add delays/effects as I go, and it just werks.

What do you produce?
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>>51668642
FL user since 2010 here
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>>51669364
I got a 16 inch screen, dont know why it's that small I got to resize everything idk
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>>51670025

Is that not it? To make a track with structure you need it to change, right? That's literally all I meant. Obviously a song with this structure would be simple but at least it HAS a structure.

>>51669992
>implying loop-based music doesn't have its own studied system of nuance and subtlety
Nope, not implied.

>implying loop-based music is just what one does when starting out
No, but it is simpler so it's easier to work with as a beginner.

>implying any sonata is better than a well-executed loop work
Never said that either.

Fuck guys, try actually reading what I say in context of who I'm replying to before making dumb comments. I'm giving advice to a guy who said all he could make were 8bar loops and was wondering how to start making a longer track.
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>>51670097
I never finished recording it, but I do have the set I used.
Basically, I used a return track with a delay, an inversed gate and an EQ on it to make something like a beat and then tried playing feedback over that with a second return and audio track.
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Whats the best skin for Ableton? Why are 90% of skins horrible? Dark is usually too dark, or not contrasted enough.

I use this called "def2" but its pretty meh, but at least you can see things.

Never seen a pretty skin which is also usable for long hours. I've seen some really pretty skins for DJ'ing or performances but they're not really good for anything else.
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pro tools master race
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>>51670179
I don't get how you guys ever feel satisfied with your music without using real instruments, it always sounds better
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dithering? what's that?
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>>51670154
>I am not a gear fetishist so I don't really care about how close the sound is to the real stuff
yeah for me I don't care about it sounding 100% exact as original hardware, as long as it's good. I'm in love with the 909 snare, ride, and open hat so anything else that sounds similar I like to check out

>What do you produce?
gabber, cutesy wannabe chiptune stuff and lately goofy or atmospheric VGM loops for some projects
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>>51670228
Not everyone can afford buying instruments and gears

>>51670243
dithering is pointless in most cases
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>>51670228

>implying we don't
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>>51670162
>To make a track with structure you need it to change, right?
yeah
>To have a structure in a track you need 4 phrases: Intro, chorus, breakdown, outro, right?
no

>>51670228
define real instrument
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>>51670228

turn off the lights or have minimal lightning, get a skin like this >>51668481 and lrn2calibrate your monitor. And get a better monitor
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>>51670228

guitar is a shoddy physical modelling synth, you can't even control the harmonics
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Oh god, what have I started?
I just wanted to know how to put my shit together.
Thank you guys for that, by the way.
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I've never used anything other than FL studio and now that I look at all these clustered, mangled, confusing ui's I feel sick
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>>51670243
oh my fucking god what the fuck
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>>51670286
>To have a structure in a track you need 4 phrases: Intro, chorus, breakdown, outro, right?

>a structure in a track you need 4 phrases: Intro, chorus, breakdown, outro, right?

>a structure in a track you need 4 phrases:

>a structure in a track

>A structure

I'm not trying to redefine structure, I'm suggesting a really simple one as an example.
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>>51670323
>ableton
>cluttered
homie...like
homie...
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>>51670266
$100 audio interface
$200 strat
$10 classical guitar from a tag sale
$50 yamaha psr-12
$? (it was a gift) Casio CZ-3000
~$50 misc cables and such
$100 Shure SM58
$60 random cardioid mic
$? (gift) 2 nice lavalier mics (audio technica AT831Rs)
$0 torrenting pro tools
having real instruments? priceless

Not saying that making computer music can't be good, I did that for a few years, but if any of you are serious, real instruments and a nice set up are a must
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>>51670323

>FL
>not the very definition of clustered, mangled as fuck interface

Like FL all you want but to declare that Ableton looks worse its objectively a lie
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>>51670310
It's a pretty shit classical guitar I got in a tag sale, but I clipped two lavalier mics on the hole (which I'm forgetting the proper term but oh well) and you can hear the guitar creaking as I play, ssspretty cool
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>>51670359

yeah because for bleeps #realinstruments are a must

#lewronggeneration
#seriousartistsuseinstruments
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>>51670359
Its pointless with mics like those. You'Ll never have proper audio quality unless you spend at least $1000 on a mic, and make it two since you want stereo

Then of course maybe you want a different mic for a vocal, another $1000-2000, oh yeah make that two, because you want stereo

Also you need a proper room for all this

Unless you're happy with medicore/demo quality

I'd rather just go to a studio for $50 an hour and record there everything
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http://vocaroo.com/i/s0TtNPVEMa5c
Check muh shit
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>all these people saying x competing DAW is trash
>never used Magix
you people don't even know trash
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>>51670382
fl is easy just look

honestly I know that everyone who gets used to the software that they like are going to understand it better, I already know that
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>>51669131

go back to /r9k/ and stay there
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>>51670460
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>>51670417
I'm just saying it's much easier and more efficient using actual synths instead of the built in ones on fl studio or ableton. And you can have a much more original sound
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>>51670455
Forgot pic

$1500
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>>51670526
most of fl studios native synths are beasts.
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>>51670460
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>>51670382
You can move literally anything and everything in one, and the other has almost everything rigidly in place. FL's better for personalizing

Awesome if that sort of layout is one you prefer, but a nightmare otherwise. Fruity Loops says "hey, make a set up that works best for you" while Ableton says "here's what we think works best, have fun!"

I can set up my Fruity Loops to look similar to Ableton, and then some, but not vice versa
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>>51670455
This just isn't true at all

and I've been been converting my room with some foam inserts and thick curtains to help the instruments not resonate and such

and the time I spend recording one song I would go broke in a studio
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>>51670550
that might be true, but they'll still have the fl studio sound. That's why I could never be happy with any of my tunes from fl
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>see people argue this topic every day
>"fl is just a glorified drum machine. you can't do anything with it. you can't make any songs, all you can do is make percussive loops"
>mfw people don't know how to right click -> piano roll
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>>51670359

you're out of your element

mackie 1402vlz
rme hammerfall 9652
alesis adat ai3
sontronics stc-2
yamaha cs80
microkorg
tr-606
tr-707
steel + classic guitar
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>>51670526

>I'm just saying it's much easier and more efficient

Now you're lying. It might be easier to play around with knobs on a synth, but to say its more "efficient" is just complete horseshit. Not to mention expensive, and in a lot of cases, because of SPACE

>And you can have a much more original sound

You're not even trying anymore.

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about
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>>51670550
Sytrus, Harmor and the rest are all certified beasts
>>51670626
were you using exclusively presets?
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>>51670630
FL vs. Ableton, digital vs. analog, ad nauseum. It gets old.
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>>51670626
thats wrong, but wait until i finish my meal so i can tell you why. of is some other anon could be so kind.
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>>51670661
I remember getting some alright sounds out of 3x osc, just because it's so vanilla, but yeah I tried a few of the stock ones, and some other ones I downloaded as well which I forget the name of. Also had Nexus 2 I think, that was way too overwhelming for what I was doing though
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>>51670626
you what. we're talking about synth shapers, not FL Keys or Boo Bass. did you only use defaults or something?
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>>51669992
>implying any sonata is better than a well-executed loop work

the only people who say things like this never learned how to play an instrument and attempt to compensate for it by making shitty beats

sorry but, when you're making "well-executed loop work" you're pushing buttons and staring at a computer screen. when you're playing an instrument, you're commanding a physical object with your hands and using it to produce melodious sound, you're not having some sample do the work for you.

and i know this is the type of opinion to elicit some sort of >dadrock response but honestly, you have no clue to music if you think your loop work holds the validity that any given sonata does.
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>>51670703
I mean I'm much happier using my synths now but ok anon, eat up
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>>51670590

well we might as well stop arguing because

>opinions

Nothing, absolutely nothing will convince me that FLoops is "cleaner" or "easier to config". I spend days trying to figure out FLoops' shitty interface and the XBOX HUEG buttons and the random, unintuitive placement of elements. It literally took me 3-4 hours to lay down a very basic track on Ableton, the first time I used it (reading the manual of course)

And I meet a lot of people who are the complete opposite.
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>>51670661
even wasp XT sounds nice. idk why its so quiet tho
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>>51670710
3x osc is so barebones it's great. almost always needs processing to make it sound really good though.

EQ -> clipping/distorting -> EQ -> delay -> reverb -> flanger (at ~5%) -> compressor

the possibilities are nearly endless
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>>51670723
I forget a lot of the names of the synths from fl but I've played with a lot of them. I have a korg poly-800 now though that is super for that kind of thing
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>>51670605
If you want to have just a bit less than studio quality you need to invest a lot more money than that.

A good audio interface alone costs $1000

A pair of good monitor speakers $500-$1000

A proper mic $1000 (if you really wanna record)

Headphones $500

cables, foam, mic preamp, maybe a preamp for speakers etc.

And thats still not studio quality stuff
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>>51668406
Those are some shit-tier vsts my son.
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>>51670767
>Headphones $500
mate are you buying gilded caviar with that
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I just started, do I show any promise?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0okkq1U5Cih
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>>51670748
you can make great shit out of just the 3xosc and the parameters in that window thing.
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>>51670767
You don't need to spend all that. You can get good quality mixes with entry level gear. Maybe not that top 40 radio sheen, but who wants that anyways? It's more about your skill as a producer than your gear.
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>>51670820
definitely that too
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>>51670767
I'm pretty happy with my audio quality, thanks though....
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>>51670807
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-650-Headphones/dp/B00018MSNI
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>>51670767
You could also go get yourself a wanker to mix it for you.
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>>51670863
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MDR7506-Professional-Diaphragm-Headphone/dp/B000AJIF4E/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1416950764&sr=1-1&keywords=sony+mdr
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>>51670863
I think you meant to link to

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001OTZ8DA/ref=psdc_172541_t1_B00018MSNI
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>>51670733
Definitely true. I like Ableton and FL about equally for different reasons. Hell, I almost switched over to Ableton completely 'cause of the automation alone, but I chop a lot of my stuff into MIDI chunks a la FL's slicex and I can't deal with Ableton's midi slicer and small arrangement view

I like Ableton more for IDM/hip hoppy stuff, but Fruity Loops for breakcore/footwork. May just need to Rewire and get the best of both worlds. DAW's all pretty much do the same shit, but with a different look. I personally think the .vsts and samples one uses are far more important than choice of DAW
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>>51670824
>>51670859
This is when you believe you have a good mix then you take it to a studio and they mix/mater it for you and it gets improves 1000%

I dont wanna sound pretentious here but I doubt you really know what proper audio quality means. Unless you're really into audio engineering but then you wouldnt say you can get "good audio quality" with $200 mics (protip: you cant)

>>51670867
Mixing is one thing but if what you record is horrible its pointless
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>mixing on headphones
top kek
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>>51670780
I rarely use more than guitar rig tbh I'm a guitar fag
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>>51670907
I'm going to university for audio engineering actually but you're just being silly, I'm a broke college kid
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>>51670331
>"YOU NEED"
>suggesting
no
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>>51668406
i enjoy this thread, that's why i'm not finishing those beats :)
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>>51670767
False. In electronic music, you need zero dollars, let's be honest.

And how many successful bedroom guitarists record albums with nothing but a single USB DI? Cloudkicker, Plini, etc. etc.

A guitarist can at least record demos for a band or something alone.

Please m8, do not fall into the mentality that you need more gear to produce music... it will consume you. Soon enough you won't feel good unless you have a package from sweetwater coming in the mail.
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>>51670923
Well that's okay then I guess.
I was just picking on you because Massive.
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>>51670952
yes this is an exceptionally lively thread anon
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>>51670907
$200 for the entire rig or literally just the mic
because if you honestly believe $200 mic quality is shit you're full of hot air
>but muh 20.149501khz range is slightly muddy!
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>>51670957
>0 dollars

thats not true

You dont need to spend thousands of course.

Unless you want studio quality at home. As I was saying. This is not about "You need to buy an $1000 headphones to make music"
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>>51670767

bruh

no
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>>51670957
>False. In electronic music, you need zero dollars, let's be honest.
weeeeeellll, being literal, I would argue
>computer
>headphones OR speakers
so the threshold is very low but it's not literally $0
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>>51670959
i think the hate on massive was a bit exaggerated lately, it's still a pretty good synth and there are far more outdated synths that still get a lot of use
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>>51670995
It's not shit quality, learn to read, we're talking about professional audio quality here

If you dont believe me, record something with your guitar, then go to a proper studio, record the same thing on an $2000 mic with a setup by an audio engineer, and hear the difference.
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>>51670959

get over yourself

it's not massives fault everybody uses the twat wavetables, it's a capable synth
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>>51668406
Because they suck and I get embarrassed easily.
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im the fag who had 10 billion massive instances in his screenshot

this is the tune im working on

please tell me where i should've used something other than massive

http://clyp.it/og2bzksx
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>>51669290
Word. Same reason I'm still using Goldwave to chop shit up.
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i dont have massive but can anyone explain the wavetables? are they just custom shaped envelopes or custom osc?
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>>51671110
You should've used one massive instance and solved everything with return tracks, feedback and automation.
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>>51671110
meh

also this needs a lot of mixing
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>>51671056
I used it for the longest time and it felt limited after a while. For outdated softsynths you can't really go wrong with legacy collection. That shit is so good.
>>51671076
Those twat wavetables are much better and more varied than massive.
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>>51671044
Yeah, but anybody posting itt has a computer and can probably access some DAW someway, be it through a friend or more fringe means.

Headphones, yeah, I feel you there.

Nowadays it is a good idea to get a feel for electronic music production in the box instead of dropping a bunch of coin on interface, monitors, controllers, analog synths and fx, etc.

There's a big difference between a producer and somebody with a bunch of expensive toys.
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Hey bleepfags,

I wanna start doing some bleeps but what's the best way to do drum sounds? just use sample packs or is that for hacks? what do I need to build drum sounds from the ground up?
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>>51671078
>tfw looking back at my shitty music i first made
>tfw i proudly showed my friends, and it was absolute garbage
keep at it though, now my music is good
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>>51671189
Sample packs plus effects.
Drum Synth emulators.
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>>51670733
upload that Ableton skin, nigga.
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>>51671167
You wont learn to mix properly unless you hear what you're supposed to hear.

Thats why you need gear

Especially if you're trying to get into bleep genres since there the mixing and creative parts arent as separated as in other genres

In other words a good producer is a musician and an audio engineer too
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>>51670767
>$1000 for a good audio interface
what the fuck are you smoking
you can get perfect recording interfaces (granted, with limited inputs but w/e) for $200
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>>51671110
>>51671153
agree, this stuff is decent, but could be a lot better

try to be more generous with the reverb on some places
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>>51671189
Depends what style exactly but I pretty much only use my own field recordings and it sounds rad.

Things like tree branches hitting things for snares etc, it works nicely and gives you a relatively unique sound, layering field recordings with sample packs can work well too.
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>>51671234
Yes, you're absolutely right, I maybe spoke in too black and white of terms. I just wanted to discourage the line of thought that one needs to spend thousands of dollars in order to even get started producing.
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>>51671189
Use the drum rack in live and you'll be fine. It's more than you ever need.
Learning how to mix and master the drums are more important than the drum sounds.
>just don't sidechain everything to the kick, that's just cheap
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I'm thinking about getting a NI Maschine Micro MkII for both the machine itself and the Komplete sample library + Massive. Is it worth it? I've read some reviews where they've mostly had a positive experience with it apart from some hassle to deal with samples like selecting and trimming.
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>>51671276
>implying sidechaining everything to the kick doesn't sound badass.
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>>51671262
i hope you grew those trees yourself
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>>51670727
>doing physical things
>living in the physical world
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>>51671315
i am tree
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>>51671306
It does, but there are other ways to make shit sound punchy as fuck.
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>>51671255

i see everyones an expert now but that's what wips are for, cheers
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>>51671211
>>51671262
>>51671276
Any sample packs you guys can recommend? I always hear about Vengeance samples but heard you can't use them commercially 'cause they're all ripped from commercial releases.

I think I like the idea of mixing field recordings with drum samples.
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Just finished this in ableton last week

Opinions?

https://soundcloud.com/nuasound/its-time-downtempo-2014
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>>51671110
I really like this, you have talent. Bass tone is excellent, snare punchy, even the melody is cool.

It drifts into a little bit of a weird place with the dissonant pad, so if you are going for the dance music vibe, maybe think about what you dancing to. Has that AFX analord vibe but since it's all digital, it has that contemporary house vibe.
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>>51671350
Loopmasters has very good stuff
Sounds to Sample
Function Loops
Producer Loops
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>>51671350
in my opinion vengeance is about 99% shitty but there's some gems that sound pretty good when layered

of course depends on what kind of sound you're looking for, they're perfect for cookie cutter EDM and boring house
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>>51671350
I steer clear of most of the vengeance range except for Minimal House 2 which has a really nice range of sounds.

Again it depends on what genre you want to make but loopmasters generally have good stuff on their site which you can preview and then if you're poor you can google a torrent for most of their stuff.

Learning to use compression & eq will help you a lot more and make more samples accessible though, because once you've mastered them you can make most samples usable.
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>>51671353
The vocal samples and the drums are cool. The rest sounds generic and mediocre.

>>51671350
I don't use sample packs, I just fiddle with the effects on generic 707/909/whatever samples. But like >>51671276 said just use the samples in ableton and you're good to go.
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>>51670727
>this post

the only people who say things like this never learned how to fully envision music and attempt to compensate for it by twanging on strings at a bonfire

when you're making "sonata" you're drawing scribbles and staring at a piece of notebook paper. when you're making looped beats, you're commanding an abstract object with your mind and using it to produce any melodious sound imaginable, you're not having some metal pipe do the work for you.

dadrock less
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>>51670460
Yo, I dig this.
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>>51671426
>loopmasters
kek'd
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>>51671262
thats tight as fuck. i cant wait until i can afford some good mics. then ill pick up some cheap snares and get to work recording all kinds of shit
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>>51671463
explain
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>>51671488
They're bland and uninspired. Everyone with a functioning brain and a computer could make those samples.
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>>51671470

you can build your own contact mics for cheap
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>>51671470
Yeah man, if you don't mind a grittier dirtier sound you can even record a decent sound with a modern smart phones mic.

I did that up until recently.
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>>51671399
https://www.samplemagic.com/details/336/vinyl-and-tape-drum-hits

if you're into an analog house sound, this pack is a really good choice, by far the best i bought
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>>51671525
That's the point, you grab them than manipulate them to make them interesting, if you're just dropping samples into your DAW and leaving them untouched then your music is probably going to be bland and uninspiring.

I get what you're saying, just for someone new to producing start easy and learn to expand.
Loopmasters is good for that stuff.
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>>51671110
I dig the bass sound, but dude, I don't hear why you needed all that Massive.
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>>51671399
>>51671418
>>51671426
>>51671438
Ok, thanks. If any of you know any awesome drum tutorials that'd be sweet. Thanks for the tips/suggestions.
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>>51671262
What kind of equipment do you record these samples with?
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>>51671526
or cop on ebay for like $4
contact mics take a bit to get used to for sure. also i've read about weird electronic fuckery depending on what kind of preamp you are using for them. sometimes the electrical interaction turns the mic into a high-pass filter or someshit.
>>51671537
you lose a lot of low end but it's a great way to quickly capture interesting sounds. highly recommend it. it's also just nice to get audio imprints of places you ahve been, instead of taking pictures even.
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>>51671537
thats exactly what ive been doing haha

>>51671526
ill google
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>>51671574
fair enough, but i approach all samples that way, individual sounds or loops.

also the strength of loopmasters really is the quality of the sound, not the creativity of the loops.
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>>51671470
>>51671262
i have bought a field recorder a few days ago and the quality and sound is amazing

i record very minimal things like just tapping on wood or tapping on a bottle, throw some effects over it and voila i get an awesome and experimental sound, it's very nice
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>>51670959
>Implying Massive isn't goat

It's good enough for senpai Diplo
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>>51668406
I love John Maus OP I'd be interested in hearing this, is it a cover or what?
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A good tip for beginners doing electronic music in a DAW.

Instead of having a hundred tracks with VSTs, do this:

1.Write the MIDI and automation data for your synth, program the patch
2. When you're happy with it, set the output of that track to a "bus", e.g., "bus 1" "bus 2" "bus 3" etc.
3. Create a new track with that "bus" as an input
4. Record enable the new track
5. Solo the new bus track and the VST track
6. Press record
7. Delete VST track, saving patch for future use if you want

Voila, you have freed lots of memory, and you have a nice clean audio file to work with.
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>>51671708
What does a bus do?
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>>51671708
i usually have a lot of problems with running out of capacity, but i always hate do this, because i always think i need the ability to edit the modulation and midi afterwards

are the any tricks similar to this? :/
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>>51671708
learned about this when i started, and i did it alot, but now i finally am able to save my work to work on it later so i stopped doing this.

>>51671743
i think he means like a mixer bus

>>51671790
maybe have some busses with effects on them so you can apply uniform processing or affects to a whole bunch of vsts , that saves some cpu
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This is literally my first time ever on /mu/, and I need guidance:
What's a good freeware program that I can use to compose music? I'd like for lots of instruments to be available.

Preferably user-friendly.
Windows or Linux is fine.
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>>51671647
I find low quality samples more interesting. You really have to work around with them, to make them sound coherent with the rest of the track. That's kinda magical to me.

>>51671655
Diplo can suck a dick for all I care. He's really not that great. The thing is that bleeps are so shitty in 2014 that there's barely any good shit, that's why Diplo gets all those mad props.
I mean even the new Mr. Oizo album is a 3/10. Fuck him too.
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>>51671867
just pirate some program you want. and welcome.
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>>51671743
It's basically a utility track, a vehicle (forgive the pun) for mixing.

For example, say you have a bunch of drum tracks. Kick, snare, hat, tom, etc. And say you want to be able to adjust the overall volume of your drums with one fader. You can set the output of each individual drum track to a bus and call it your "drum bus". You can then make changes to your whole drum set in one fell swoop: adjust volume, solo, mute, add EQ, add reverb, etc.

The thing I originally mentioned with buses serves a little bit of a different utility. In the first case I mentioned, the bus is used as a kind of blank audio pad to convert MIDI-VST tracks, like a synth plugin, to raw audio files. This is a good move because it frees up memory, creates a waveform instead of a block of midi (which is more visually intuitive depending on your taste), and, moreover, finalizes the track. So, if you were to move it around, copy and paste it, etc. you wouldn't have to worry about the track falling in the right place on automation roll.
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>>51671867
live 9 is free on the pirate bays
>2014
>not pirating your daws and vsts
damn son
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>>51671867
Reaper
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>>51671867
FL probably has the widest selection of default instruments.
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>>51671899
>>51671883
Fine, then. What are some good programs to pirate.
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