Can someone explain to me why Aphex Twin is considered so influential? I mean, synth base music was popular before the late 80s/ early 90s when he came out, plus I feel like a lot of modern day electronica is based off of pop/hip-hop beats? So what is his real legacy in the genre?
Complex rhythms, unusual time signatures, polyrhythms but the distinguishing factor is artful SUBTLETY unlike most of breakcore for instance which is IN YOUR FACE more often than not.
He was the Neckbeard producer: He was making (great) music for kids that weren't cool or old enough to go to raves, loners and like. He also made ambient music that wasn't new age trash, and his production techniques were incredible
Having said that, his influence is hugely overrated on /mu/. Other than acid and the electronic music scene in the UK, he wasn't THAT influential. Ambient techno is a dead genre. Entire electronic music scenes happened in Germany and the rest of Yurop that didn't really favour the type of stuff he was producing.
a) weird persona and imagery
b) cleverly constructed albums that weren't the first of it's kind but VERY well executed
c) incredible knack for melody
>modern day electronica is based off of pop/hip-hop beats
nah, most people cite Aphex Twin and all that early Warp stuff as influences
"Production techniques" is the wrong term, and come to think of it, he wasn't that great at production techniques. Sasu Ripatti can walk circles around him on that
I don't really like his music but I admit, he can write really catchy stuff.
> unusual time signatures
ehhhhhhhhh you're misapplying that word
> but the distinguishing factor is artful SUBTLETY unlike most of breakcore for instance which is IN YOUR FACE more often than not.
>What wasn't great? What criteria do you recognize and judge? Genuinely curious.
He relies too much on muh breaks/acid basslines. And I feel when he realizes this, he drowns his sound on layer after layer to make up for it. Stuff like SAW is definitely GOAT. His other stuff is hit and miss
I'm a bleepsfag though, so I've never been a fan of acid, or most of the music that came out of the UK for that matter. Having said that, Sasu suffers from the same thing, but nowhere near the same level
>read up on some technical analysis of drukqs and the Analords.
Maybe he is, but like I said, I find Sasu's restrain a much better choice than AFX's stuff.
Xtal is one of my fav tracks of all time.
>weren't cool or old enough to go to raves
worse than bleepfags are the AFX fanbois who think he's the Messiah.
Syro was a bland album that sounded like rejected tracks from when he was relevant. And admit it, he is hands down the most overrated autistic producer in /mu/
he pretty much spearheaded the whole DIY + take elements of dance music and morph it more into 'listening at home' music thing. no he wasn't the only one doing it, but he was one of the few people out there who were putting out lps like ICBYD and RDJA.
+ innovative production techniques. people forget how laborious electronic music production was back then. there's a reason there's so little 90s electronic music that sounds like flim and 4 -- you really had to nerd out to achieve shit like that. even today with modern daws I think people would have trouble constructing tracks like the above and have them sound so effortless and natural as afx was able to do.
his tracks have a sense of personality to them that you typically didn't find elsewhere.
and finally songwriting talent. his melodies+harmony have a strong earwormy quality to them, and he strayed away from structuring tracks around looping 8/16bars. i usually point to arched maid via rdj as an example. tone down the ~IDM~ FX and you have a pop radio hit for sure. there's a reason you see bands (from nobodies on youtube all the way up to Alarm Will Sound orchestra) covering his tracks, because there's enough inherent musical quality there to be reinterpreted by someone else. music by most other producers at the time didn't hold this quality
Even from a vintage synth standpoint a lot of the tracks are really hit or miss. There are a ton of people putting out better stuff with the old roland gear. You have to wade through loads of shit to find it though.
No I can't. I know he did a track where he sampled a bouncing metal ball and made it into some crazy shit. People liked that. Maybe some electronic music geeks can elaborate on this but I cannot.
personally I'm not a huge fan of his music or "IDM" (outside of autechre), but I appreciate the fact that he brought the more experimental side of electronic music to a wider audience. Before him experimental electronic music was pretty fucking academic. Stockhausen had a point with the whole "post-african repetitions" thing, tho
Here you go. This channel has more vintage synth house/techno than you would ever want to listen to.
Tracks I liked:
Autechre hasnt made a good album since the 90s. Exai was garbage. Not to mention Warp is complete garbage anymore. They are irrelovant. At least, Flatland actually did something with boring ass, stale washed up genre that IDM has become
Because this is the greatest album of all time
In November 2013, Sean Booth of Autechre answered a question about "Drane2" and Aphex Twin's "Bucephalus Bouncing Ball":
yeah we did the track drane, which had that exponential speeding-up delay thing happening, and then [Richard D. James] did that bouncing ball track, and we answered it with drane2 which was the same delay trick but feeding percussion into it instead, as a kind of tease
he said he made a bouncing ball revenge track to it once but i guess he didn't release it, prob cos we all got better things to do than get into a tricks war
>tfw no IDM beef war
The sound is outdated as fuck, not to mention boring as fuck. Moreover, theres a billion other IDM shit that sounds just like it. The last Warp album that had any merit that I can recall was Broadcast & The Focus Group Investigate Witch Cults of the Radio Age. Warp is just like any other small indie label. They release safe bets from popular artists that they are guaranteed to make money from. They never put out anything innovated or risky that they may lose money or god forbid, break even
unfortunately the last good thing AFX did which was way back in 94. hes completely irrelevant
>YOU WILL NEVER WRITE TRACKS ON AN AMIGA 600
The point is that he said a bunch of "they're bad" but no actual reasons.
>The sound is outdated as fuck
Exai is not fucking dated, try listening to it.
>boring as fuck
>Moreover, theres a billion other IDM shit that sounds just like it.
Post them because I would love to listen to it.
The rest about Warp I don't really care about.
Aphex was so "ahead of his time" that I feel like no one has caught up with him. It's like, when he first came out, it seemed like this was the new direction electronic music was going to take, but it just never happened because it's way too hard, and no one was up for the challenge. It just wasn't really practical, or even possible, for him to be "influential" in the conventional sense.
It happens all the time, in fields from literature to mathematics, some new guy comes out, blows everyone out of the water, and then their influence gradually ceases to exist because no one can really follow them, or take their work any further.
>Post them because I would love to listen to it
you know the reason IDM threads are "yes I like IDM, Aphex Twin, Autechre, Squarepusher, the list could go on" is because just about every other producer that tried their hand at IDM during the 90's sounded either boring or like a carbon copy of AFX right? and the few ones who had a decent EP/track simply dissapeared soon after
Four Tet and other Ambient artists are seen as derivative of him
It's only boring if you don't know how to listen critically to music, pleb.
I said post examples. If you can't you're just proving how wrong you are/were.
well in my opinion, you should go listen to some better electronic music. But your taste shows...Every pleb who is 'really' into electronic always is crazy for IDM...go hang out with all the other rave fags
I just second this
>The sound is outdated as fuck
name 1 track that sounds like vekos or bladelores
>theres a billion other IDM shit that sounds just like it
>Warp is just like any other small indie label. They release safe bets from popular artists that they are guaranteed to make money from
agreed on that though
not even a fanboy but this is really poor quality criticism
It's only "too long" if you don't like ambient music.
Do you like ambient music? It's perfect length. More ambient records SHOULD be 25 tracks long and around 3 hours.
Unless you can't into minimalism, of course.
>mfw aphex occasionally slips up and goes full banger
he should have done that more often
I get that it's not cool to have this type of opinion, but it's just how I feel. Aphex was one of the first electronic musicians I ever listened to, I was like 13 and Windowlicker and Come to Daddy came out, and it really did seem like electronic music was "opening up" into a whole new thing, but it just didn't happen.
Cool, but you are falling into the fanboyism trap. You are looking at it after it happened 15-20 years later. There is nothing "hard" about AFX music, the hard part is to call yourself an IDM producer and not "copy" AFX's sound
To expand on what I mean by "hard", it's pretty clear that Aphex is from the era where mainly "nerds" used computers, and he obviously did a fair bit of DSP programming himself. All of that closed up as computers became easier to use and everyone forgot about the time when you had to actually be a bit of a tinkerer to use them, especially for anything complicated.
not a bleep cunt. most of the shit here on bleep is vomit inducing. And no Im not going to namedrop a bunch of similar artists because then we get into a pointless arguingment where everyones namedropping shit and I dont want to speak in units. And before you state that since Im not namedropping means I have no idea what I am talking about, I am very into electronic music and a huge vinyl collector and boomkat fag. Im just not going to get into a namedroping arguement where we are speaking in units. If you like IDM, thats cool. But imo, its a boring, outdated genre and super plebby to like if thats the type of electronic music you think is best
most people would still struggle to recreate his tracks
and thats recreating, ie they already exist
and everyone thinks their generation is the most innovative, that's just the way it is
tl;dr - you had to be there
correct ill take back my statement. While most of IDM as a whole I think is boring and outdated, there have been really good IDM albums in the past and today. Honestly, Flatland restored my faith in the genre. Objekt's dancefloor ready stuff was pretty cool, however, I would have never bought the album simply because I read it was IDM. The only reason I bought it was that it was on PAN. Pan is my favorite label and own basically everything Kouligas has released in the past 5 years. Again, I hope Flatland is a general trend for IDM in the years to come
theres no point arguing about it because if I say "I don't like Autechre because of X and Y" you either will call me a pleb or tell me I don't get it.
One can dislike something and not be able to explain why (or refrain to so because of above)
wow /mu/ there was actually some pretty good discussion in here, no one even spouted meme bullshit! I'm impressed!
OP, I think Aphex Twin is considered so influential because a lot of musicians have either claimed he has influenced them or you can trace their influences to him. I'm sure the list of artists that have been influenced by him is countless, but there are some big names that have cited him - Radiohead, Skrillex etc. Big names, with lots of fans. So his name becomes like a legend as "the thing that inspired x".
Or that's my guess, anyway. His music is pretty cool. And you can listen to contemporary producers and see how they've been inspired by him.
tbh there isn't a producer alive who likes or uses the term idm for their own stuff
ok maybe a few, but they're automatically shit
so on that basis, i agree with you that idm is shit as fuck
just don't bring my shit up, k
"IDM" isn't even really a genre anymore. Or wasn't ever a genre in the first place.
Early 90s, "IDM" largely meant "intelligent techno", Artificial Intelligence, etc (Bola, B12, Autechre, etc)
Mid/late 90s "IDM" largely meant = breakbeat fuckery (u-Ziq, Squarepusher, Jega, etc)
Early/mid 2000s IDM largely meant = skittering glitchy beats with lush pads over the top (Arovane, Proem, Lusine, etc)
Later 2000s/Now = So much of what supposedly made "IDM" its own genre has been co-opted into other styles of music that to call "IDM" it's own separate genre is a sign that you're behind the times
What modern music would you call "IDM", anyway? What artists out there could you not safely categorise as something else?
VHS Head? Ametsub? Aleksi Perälä? A couple from the Warp roster? Some obscure high BPM dBlue glitch guy on Bandcamp?
Not really enough to hang a genre on.
Ganzfield was a phenomenal track by him, while Faltland was, as another guy called it in the past, a collection of unimpressive sound effects. It's legit funny seeing you complain about idem being stale and boring and then proceeding glorifying a stale and boring idem record and hoping that it becomes the future standard for all idem to come.
''compilation of Autechre rejects'' is a highly accurate title for Flatland. You should listen to the EP' Gescom put out in the late 90's and early 00's if you want actual idem that is ahead of it' time and doesn't sound too alien on the dancefloor.