>>51432349 fucking kidding me mate? frances the mute is probably the best produced volta album. it has a harsh dry pallate that brings to mind late 70's prog/punk acts and is probably one of the most interesting juxtapositions between the orchestrated archetechtures of the songs and the grainy compression
It's equivalent to a alejandro jodorowsky movie filmed in stocky film grain
>>51432466 I don't know, how about you listen to the fist 30 seconds of the album and tell me it isn't a harsh, jumbled mess of random shit.
>inb4 that's what makes it great
>>51432618 Are you talking about Krautrock? Cause they actually effectively use the dry sonic spectrum, unlike TMV, you think shoving as much random shit into a tin can souding recording might actually sound good. There aren't many artists who I'd define as pretensious wank, as I hate the term, but TMV are it.
>>51435248 >Frances the Mute has too much filler to be the best prog album of the last 10 years. This is pretty much my thoughts exactly. I've said it here before, but it feels like they took Deloused, cut the actual song material in half, and then filled the rest of the length up with junk,
And on the topic of Raven, I love it, but I don't think an album that is so focused on revivalism could ever be considered the greatest modern album
>>51435466 By not posting album titles you're essentially saying "I have no interest in outsiders joining in on my super great secret conversation nyeeeh."
I know plenty of bands/ albums/ whatever just by the album covers, but i'm trying to expand my knowledge and it's super fucking annoying to tineye 200 images a day because no one on this board has the common courtesy to type their shitty band names.
>>51435627 Well Wilson is undeniably the most important figure in modern prog so it's no real doubt that he's always going to be in the conversation, and Volta are prog for special snowflakes who don't really like prog so they always get posted, but most actual prog fans don't really care for them
Anyway we shouldn't be bickering, what modern prog bands do you like?
>>51435674 I haven't heard it in a while but according to my iTunes the ones I liked were the first track and Vermicide. I just really think TMV are hellishly overrated, as a band, and that Deloused is the only real thing you need to hear from them, the rest of their material just got progressively weirder for no real gain
>>51435722 Because they're just not that good or unique anymore. Don't get me wrong I dig Pale Communion a bit, but if it was released by any other name no one would give a shit. I'm happy they can still put out good music but they haven't done anything amazing since Ghost Reveries, and haven't done anything god-tier since BWP or Still Life
>>51435909 >Are you some sort of fucking retard? I'm sorry that I like my bands to have unique progression as opposed to just repeating themselves with ever-increasing levels of stupid "artsy" weird sections.
>>51435996 If that's what you want to gain from that post then okay
>>51435977 Do Volta fans seriously just blindly think everything they do is great? I seriously fail to see how any of their albums past Deloused have fans, and that Bedlam has anyone saying it's anything except total crap
>>51436042 Trolling and being a dick aside, I do agree with you that about Bedlam. Wasn't the whole album inspired by a night they played with a Ouja board and summoned a spirit who called himself 'Goliath'? I swear I remember reading that somewhere, and it was what made me want to listen to the album as soon as I could...and I was vehemently disappointed.
>>51436098 >>51436106 I personally think that Volta are just such a one-trick pony band, but they throw in all this unnecessary weird shit so their fans are convinced they're amazing and innovative. Why they are the most famous modern prog band I will never understand
>>51435257 well I can't really even start to express how childish that was. Heh.
I don't think they're perfect, but random? Nope. Silly? A bit. Extremely well composed? Yeah. Lyrics? Great. Singing? Awesome (though may be cringe inducing if you have had a serious aversion towards that style because of it's proximity to pop punk and '00s faux emo.)
Regardless, as stupid as most of the output from those genre's seem they were still validated in a lot of ways and CIM really capitalizes on those aspects. Not to mention the album is very consistently exciting and enjoyable.
>>51436673 It's a childish response to a childish album. It is in no way well composed - when they're not stealing from TMV they're being unnecessarily quirky for quirk's sake and it doesn't make for enjoyable listening. Obviously it's just my opinion but a lot of people share it, they are in no sense the best in their little corner of modern prog, let alone prog as a whole
>>51436790 I personally see this post as obligatory contrarianism, but honestly it's an objectively entertaining album and on the more subjective side of things it really, really strikes me as a complete and intuitively realized piece of art.
>>51436815 >obligatory contrarianism Dude did you read my review of their first album? I'm not just being contrarian, Pink Lemonade was one of the biggest disappointments of the year. "Objectively entertaining" is a subjective opinion. Do you find those youtube cover bands entertaining? I know some people do, but I find them very, very uncomfortable. Pink Lemonade made me feel exactly the same. I'm trying to be open here, I can accept that you enjoy it, but as long as you can see why I see it as one of the sloppiest and most schizophrenically indecisive albums of the year
The fact that you call the album that contains "Dinosaur Boss Battle" as "realised art" does make me chuckle a bit though.
>>51436921 Kidding, right? Cuz all I get from this comment, again, is obligatory contrarianism. On the other hand, you are really freaking out about this album and honestly comparing it to random youtube shit is totally fucking asinine.
>>51436960 What are you getting from my opinion that is contrarianism? I hate to do the whole "do you know who I am" bullshit but have you actually read any of my other reviews? Do you know me? Because if you did you would know that I am a massive fan of the material surrounding Closure and I gave a positive review to their debut album just weeks before Pink Lemonade dropped. It's a childish and stupid slop of messy compositions and quirky nonsense, with some admittedly cool parts spliced in, but all of the good moments feel so strange when the rest of the album is packed to the brim with near-autistic quirkiness. I was seriously upset when I heard it, because I was hoping for big things from those guys. And the fact is that I'm not the only one with this opinion. All the RYM reviews except one call it weaker than the debut, and I know people personally who hated it more than I did
Go listen to Children of Nova and seriously tell me that Closure have anything on them
>>51437086 >Children of Nova Thanks for the rec Not gonna attempt to compare it to Closure. Comparing music is really very convoluted and frustrates me to no end. Again, you're freaking out about this stuff. Of course I don't know you, this is an anonymous board. It's either incredibly ironic obligatory contrarianism or you're taking your initial reaction to the quality of the album and running with it, creating a whole paradigm of negative bullshit guised as legitimate criticism. Have a nice day, m8.
>>51437143 That's okay, I think for sure a lot of it is down to the fact that I spent a lot of time with it when I was younger. I find it strange that so many people condemn AFI, especially that album, when what we're discussing right now (Closure) isn't actually that far off. A terrible prejudice came against AFI when they had the idiocy to lump themselves into the "scene", but their music is actually great once you give it a chance.
>>51437151 Children of Nova and Closure are always mentioned in the same sentence because their first records were dropped within months of each other and were pretty much identical. But to me, Nova actually did two good records, Closure not so much
I dunno I just get really sensitive when people say that I have opinions solely to be contrarian, because I spend so much more time on forming my opinions than most people. And nah my initial opinion of it was even worse, I think I gave it 4/10 straight away, but there are some good songs there. I just think it's so schizophrenic, about 50% of it is good and 50% is crap, and it never locks into one style properly.
>>51437249 I think Descension is their strongest actually, but I was never a fan of their early stuff, so my opinion may not match yours. I can totally get why they are hated to be honest though, it took me a while to get over Claudio's vocals and see the great melodies underneath
Also most of the people would like the shit on this chart, I made it to cover this sort of stuff that isn't really prog but has links to it
>>51437249 I loved In Keeping... so much in my middleschool years. I go to it now and then for nostalgia. Just decided to listen to their most recent release, was pretty good. Changing my perspective on them currently from nostalgic to genuine enjoyment.
>>51437240 again, some of the points you are making such as > it never locks into one style properly really don't come across as anything but contrarianism. Stubborn contrarianism. And I hate to go to that place where I'm attaching such a negative stigma to your opinions but man, it's like we're talking about an entirely different album here.
>>51437352 Do you understand what contrarianism means? Like I literally cannot comprehend how you are getting that from my posts. Most people I know hate that album, contrarianism would be the opposite, so, you know, liking it...
And I definitely feel like we're talking about a different album, the fact that you call such a manic and schizophrenic album "art" makes me fucking laugh
>>51437355 I also enjoy Ascension, Year of the Black Rainbow (never got the hate) and No World For Tomorrow, but nowhere near as much. I honestly think their only average album is their debut, but they've never really had a "great" album either, if you know what I mean
>>51437462 Well as someone who has invested years of their life towards being a music writer, it cuts fucking deep when someone says you're a contrarian. Lets just agree to disagree, dude, I really don't get your perspective and you don't get mine, but don't go flinging around words like contrarian.
>>51437501 I do get your perspective. Unfortunately, I am resentfully frustrated by your attitude, regardless of the work you put into it. That's that. You've built a foundation but your house didn't need it and it looks the same as mine though the painting is more thick.
>>51437640 Because it implies that I'm a fake, and that my opinions are only based around what everyone else thinks as opposed to my own view, which is vital for being a critic. I like to stand by my opinions being my own and not letting anything else affect it, which is why AFI is still up there after years of >>51437091 these sorts of responses.
I dunno I'm sure a lot of it is my autism but it does get to me, and the reason I kept pushing my point is because I wanted to prove that it was a legitimate opinion.
And the reason I was confused at the contrarian remarks is that most people agreed with me on Pink Lemonade's averageness, I always thought I was with the flow on that one as opposed to against it, but I have been against it on many other albums (cough swans)
>>51437779 Never been tested, but I wouldn't be surprised. You wouldn't be able to tell very easily but I have always been slightly accelerated intellectually and have had some social problems. It's not really anything that affects my daily life so I don't mention it much outside of 4chan
>>51437871 the human condition suggests that lack of hard work does benefit safe brain development, yet those who seem to have taken complete advantage of the hierarchical system cannot read this without confusion, apparently.
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