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Who's the better producer?
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madlib
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>>51183144
/thread
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the black nujabes
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Kanye
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>>51183142
dilla > madlib >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kanye

not even a kanye hater, just from a technical standpoint kanye's production sounds like garbage, digital artifacts everywhere
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>>51183208
Kanye doesn't even produce anything by himself anymore
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kanye > will smith > samuel l. jackson
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>>51183208
Dilla is a glorified mixer & all Madlb beats sound the same
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>>51183142

Kanye by miles
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madlib > kanye > dilla
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>>51183286
>Dilla is a glorified mixer
i'm guessing you only heard donuts then
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>"production"
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Dilla murks both. Madlib is a close second though. Still dig 'Ye but even he admits he can't touch them.
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>>51183208
pls go an listen to the collage dropout
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>>51183142
objectively

dilla > madlib > power gap > kanye
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da beat konducta
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>>51183394
Kitty~~~
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>>51183384
what should i listen after donuts?
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Dilla brought Madlib from great, to incredible.

But Madlib is now better, Kanye doesn't do his own shit anymore so its irrelevant.
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>>51183506
Slum Village instrumentals
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>>51183495
SMOKIN 24/7
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Newjabees is the best ;)
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dilla>madlib>kanye obviously
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>>51183142
Madlib > Dilla > Kanye

Dilla is overrated because he died. I almost think that kanye is better than him, too.
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kanye can't into drums
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>>51183556
He also can't play any instruments.
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>>51183142
Seriously? Dilla
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All of their styles are completely different. Why would you even compare?
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DJ Premier.
Alternately, RZA.
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>>51183573
neither can dilla or madlib
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>>51183573
>>51183641

Every relevant hip-hop producer has used extensively a piano and a drumkit in their lives
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>>51183619
Premo is a one trick pony and both of them got boring after the 90s.
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>>51183573

underrated post
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>>51183641
Wrong. Madlib can.
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you know kanye is the only producer /mu/ knows right?
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>>51183142
Kanye is just as good but not better a beat maker as Madlib & Dilla, but he overlaps both of them by miles in compositing abilities, and overall artistry.
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>>51183691
He plays bassoon, right?
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>>51183782
*composing
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>>51183782
Kanye hasn't produced anything on his own since Late Registration where he got a guy in to do all the orchestral composing and all that shit for him. He has a great ear and vision for his music but he's not that good technically.
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>>51183783
he plays a bunch of stuff
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>>51183552
>Dilla is overrated because he died.
There were people on forums calling Dilla god back in '04. To say Dilla is only revered because he died is discrediting anybody that was close to him that gives him (well deserved) massive praise. I'm not denying that his death plays into his popularity and status. There are plenty of clueless people out there who rave about Jay's talents. He's definitely not overrated though.

>>51183641
Dilla could.

>>51183782
I don't think you actually understand what you're saying.
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without dilla none of the others would be nearly as great as they are today so this is an easy question for me

j dilla>>madlib>>>kanye
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>>51183858
this
altho in a way it's accurate to say he's overrated, because he earned a lot of new fans after donuts and they parroted that he was a genius without even knowing why people said it (it wasn't because of donuts it was because of things like fantastic vol2, labcabincalifornia and amplified)

and yeah he was a fucking total natural, no one has come close
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>>51183830
like what
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>>51183506
He did most of the beats on this album.
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>>51183520
ah shiiit
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>>51183142
>mfw it's actually madlib
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>>51183986
Mostly drums, but also double bass, piano and other percussion instruments.
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El-p
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>>51183986
Like everything on this
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The correct answer is Steve Albini.
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>>51184308

>doesn't even call himself a producer
>still the best producer
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>>51184329
It's true. How many Nobel prize winners go around telling everyone they're God or geniuses or the "scientist of a generation"?
True geniuses are mostly humble.
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>>51183824
"I might bounce ideas, but only I cam come up with some shit like this"
Ever noticed how Jon Brion's work with other artist isn't as hailed as his work with Kanye?
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>>51184308
you're absolutely right!
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>>51184345
I bet you think all billionaires are as modest as Mark Zuckerberg & Bill Gates
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>>51184186
Malik Flavors ~ Percussion
Monk Hughes ~ Bass
Otis Jackson Jr. ~ Drums
Joe McDuphrey ~ Rhodes
Ahmad Miller ~ Vibes

still just drums (i.e playing durm samples on the MPC)
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>>51184407
Those are all him.
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Robert Christgau on Kanye's Dilla tribute, "Finding Forever"
Beat scholars call this producer Kanye West's J. Dilla tribute, but us hip-hop GED's wonder when the late legend ever put his hand to R&B so smart and smooth. R&B rather than hip-hop is how it signifies. From "Windmills of Your Mind" to "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover," the samples subtler and more surprising than last time, and let me also mention the Ethiopian jazz and the Animals' Nina Simone cover in between. In fact, the best music here is so deep it's more powerful than the rhymes. These are strongest at their most forgiving--"The People," "Misunderstood," "U, Black Maybe"--and most R&B in their articulations of what a dog he still is. Which are we to believe, the romantic "I Want You" or the postromantic "Break My Heart"--or the carnal D'Angelo collab "So Far to Go"? A-
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>>51184353
Looks like a lot more than just bouncing ideas to me. Jon Brion's credited as co-exec producer of the album and co-producer of almost every track. Either way like I said Kanye has a great ear and vision for his music. All i'm saying is he isn't some composer genius type.
>By November 2004, West had completed nearly seventy-five percent of the album. However he felt unsatisfied with its outcome and in March of the following year, he brought in Jon Brion, which drastically altered the project's direction.
>West would construct a song's basic structure, bringing in samples, drum beat programming and occasionally unfinished rap verses
>After brainstorming over the musical direction the album could go, he would then select from a variety of unique instruments that Brion provided (and played) and attempt to incorporate their distinctive sound into the song's texture.

>>51184407
lol
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>>51184308
Albini's good but I can think of many a better producer.
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>>51184467
>The album’s recording was experimental and exploratory. West, who marveled at the many unusual instruments Brion has at his disposal, would bring in a song’s basic structure, and then the pair would let their imaginations run wild. Kanye would then pick and choose, shaping the track as he saw fit. Make no mistake, Brion says: Kanye was in charge.
>“When he hears something he likes, he knows it,” Brion said. “He has vision, and when the guy makes quick, intuitive decisions, he just has it. I’d watch him take a rough track that I had worked on and completely stand it on its head in 10 minutes — and it’s just better. It was mind-boggling.”
And Kanye has the sole production credit on Gone which is possibly one of the best beats he's ever made.

Fun fact:
>Brion conducted a 20-piece orchestra on “Celebration,” and had to restrain the players’ laughter at the lyric “You know what this is?/ It’s a celebration, bitches.
Fuck it just read the whole thing: http://www.mtv.com/news/1507538/kanyes-co-pilot-jon-brion-talks-about-the-making-of-late-registration/
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>>51184407
check yourself before you rek yourself m8
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>>51184531
What's your point? I've said Kanye has a great ear/vision for his music twice now which is basically all that quote is proving. He still has no idea how to construct an orchestra or do any of what Jon Brion did. Just like he's not really any good at programming drums so he either jacks them or brings in more technically sound producers for help.
I mean that's cool and all I love Kanye's production but he's not some technical genius way beyond Dilla and Madlib or whatever that original comment was.
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>>51184445
Hasn't this guy rated like every great transitional album from the last 30-40 years as a C or below?
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>>51184623
I agree, and he actually has admitted to being bad at programming drums, and playing piano.
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Who the fuck put that no talent hack within the margin of Madlib and Dilla?
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>>51184623
you won't be satisfied unless he picks the cotton himself
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>>51183142
wait why is that talentless hack kanye being compared to them?
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>>51184769
Yeah.
>>51184802
:)

I was just going through Common - Finding Forever because of this discussion and most of the Kanye beats are very forgettable. The one that stood out was the Dilla one.
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>>51183782
>compositing abilities
Point and laugh everyone
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>>51184825
he's not talentless in the least though. 808s and hearbreak was years ahead of its time, as is Yeezus. And I feel his other albums need no introduction.
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>>51184858
>808s and hearbreak was years ahead of its time, as is Yeezus
you don't know what you're talking about, stop
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Kanye is more of a director than a producer
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>>51184890
He's from /r/hiphopheads who believe that 808s was the first album to use autotune and combine singing and rapping. Just let him be.
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>>51184939
Is it bad to hate the term hiphophead? I listen to lots metal and the term metalhead is fucking disgusting to me.
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>>51183482
who's power gap
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>>51184890
808s brought into the mainstream a genre that had never been in the mainstream
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>>51184922
this (this)
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>>51184948
kek'd
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>>51184951
He's saying there's a huge gap between madlib and ye
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>>51184957
Kids, even Eminem was a thing before Kanye.
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>>51184922
pretty much. he's also a producer tho obviously. just not a great one
>>51184948
calling yourself a hip hop head is v corny
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Kanye is more of a talentless hack than anything else.
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>>51184890
"From its first analogue squelch to its final soul sample, Yeezus is Kanye West’s most essential album, in the purest sense. This is the most fundamental expression of Kanye West: the asshole, the jackass, the douchebag; the college drop-out and the kid in the pink-ass polo and a fucking backpack; “Imma let you finish” and “George Bush doesn’t care about black people.” The first three albums are the hit parades; 808s & Heartbreaks the rap-game game-changer; My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy the baroque masterpiece. But Yeezus is Kanye doing whatever the hell he wants. In this case, that means dropping an industrial-tinged polemic designed to piss off not just the usual suspects, but also his fans (“Soon as they like you, make ‘em unlike you,” indeed).

You may quibble over his definition of “minimalism,” but it’s hard to argue with the lean-and-mean results: Kanye kicks off Yeezus with his angriest finger-in-the-eye anthems ever; he then pairs Bon Iver with Chief Keef, appropriates ‘Strange Fruit’ and closes with ‘Bound 2’ — a song we’re still wrapping our heads around. Unlike with 808s, the sound of Yeezus has not trickled down to the rest of hip-hop (maybe it never will, and maybe that wasn’t the intent), but its attitude certainly has — and we’re all better for it."
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>X is great
>Y is better
>Z is best
>no actual objective arguments given
>not even subjective qualities
Useless thread.
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>>51184957
lel elaborate please
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>>51184988
This hurts to read. Who's the p4k-writer-wannabe that wrote this vomit?
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>>51184843
You're not listening correctly
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>>51184988
>mfw kanye fans can't even come up with their own opinions
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why are people just copy+pasting articles in this thread
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>>51185016
You think Finding Forever is some of Kanye's best work? I like Be and most of his other stuff but this album is just eh. Common being a boring rapper at that point doesn't help either.
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Pete Rock > Dilla > Madlib >Kanye >Post808s Kanye
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>>51184957
goddamn you're stupid, do you even know what "ahead of its time" means?
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>>51185061
Even Pete Rock thought Dilla surpassed him. Pete Rock didn't really evolve in a good way past the CL Smooth albums.
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>>51185103
Dilla always called rock the better one
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>>51185134
dawww
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>>51185044
Read that Christgau review
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Love all choices, in my opinion it's Ye. If you look at tracks he has produced, he has made some of the coldest instrumentals of the last decade.
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Madlib >
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>>51183409
Oh, hey, look soul samples!
Holy shit, it's so fresh, no one has EVER done this before!
Truly, only a genius could come up with such a groundbreaking idea!
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>>51185044
>common
I still don't know why people love the dude. I'll credit him for being a decent lyricist, but he has one of the most unenthusiastic voices.

honestly feel like i'm being trolled when people put him in the top 10 greatest of all time.
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>>51185227
glad you're finally seeing the truth anon
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>>51185134
Pete influenced him early in his career like most other producers but in the end it was the other way around.
Personaly just comparing their discography I don't think Pete stands a chance really. The Main Ingredient is the only truly great Pete album for me.
>>51185159
Ehh...
>>51185236
True.
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>>51184957
>808s' only statement was to show that you could do something with autotune that was not complete shit while the RnB scene was flooded with autotune
How can you get everything so wrong?
D you even listen to music other than Kanye's?
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>>51185275
There's little reason to listen to anything but Kanye in this day and age.
The only one who can trump Kanye West's genius is Kanye West.
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>>51185236
Typical DG fan boy
>if they're not shouting they're being unenthusiastic
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>>51185302
Wrong.
Yeezus may be Yeezus, but he is only the Son. Not even the Holy Spirit, let alone the Father.
We all know who the Father, the real God is.
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>>51185275
R&B production was overproduced, Kanye was minimal and used autotune the "wrong" way
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Half of this board would agree that Kanye West is the KISS of hip-hop, the other half thinks that definition could not be more wrong.
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>>51185384
>Kanye is the KISS of hip hop
This is just too accurate...
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I'm pissed you even compared Dilla and Kanye.
Dilla by fucking miles, Madlib's great too. Dj Shadow did some good production, DJ Screw has his moments. I'd honestly say MF Doom's production is slightly better than Kanyes
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>>51185384
true, but at least kanye has a few decent songs to his name, KISS is abysmal in every way
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Didn't Dilla enlist his favourite producers for his never released debut album, and it included beats from Pete Rock, Kanye & Madlib?
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is calling Kanye talentless the hot new meme of 2014?
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>>51185607
Nah.
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Without reserve it can be said that Dilla was the greatest, Pete Rock even called him the "new Pete Rock."

And anyone that calls him overrated is profoundly ignorant with regards to hip-hop, namely the neo-soul movement of the 90s that saw plentiful output from Dilla and his cohorts. He worked behind the scenes for some big names, i.e. Janet Jackson, and was basically robbed of a grammy, but he ultimately didn't care. His general reticence makes people think his only noteworthy work is donuts, but he's done so much more.

Little Brother wouldn't exist without Slum Village, Kanye wouldn't be the artist he is had he not popularized the soulful style that Dilla pioneered, etc. etc.

His influence can't be overstated.
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>>51185607
how is he talented?
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>>51185569
>kanye
Considering Dilla died in 2006, that's a little unlikely.
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>>51186025
you don't believe in ghosts yo?
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>>51186025
kanye's been a popular producer since like 2000
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>>51186050
Popular, but not really this original, experimental or anything.
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>>51186025
what
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>>51186050
McDonald's is also very popular
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>>51186025
Kanye had some really heavy production credits before he was known as a rapper.

Dilla also had Nottz on The Diary, which is the (still) unreleased album in question (though bootleg downloads are available). Check "Diamonds". If you don't know Nottz plenty of people have called him the greatest alive. I don't know if I would but he's great.
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>not El-P

Get the fuck outta here
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It would be more fair to compare them if Kanye wasn't more of a rapper than a producer.
If Kanye kept focused on producing you could compare.
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>>51186502
Here comes the backpacker and his shitty opinion
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Dilla is the 2pac of producing. He's praised only because he's dead
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>memerap
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>>51183144
Did you know it's actually Doom wearing the face?
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>>51185227
so della and madly are better producers because they are groundbreaking artists who've done what no one has done before?
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stop discussing guys, dilla is greatest

everyone not hearing it simply isn't patrician enough
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>>51188532
same with the chink cunt Nujabes
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>>51185227
But it sounds good...
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You mean best actual studio producer and engineer?

The man has fucking perfected the art of mixing.

Just listen to the remaster of I Robot with good headphones.
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J Dilla>Madlib>Kanye.

But Kanye is still my favorite hip hop artist despite me knowing there are people better than him at all aspects of hip hop. It's weird.
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>>51183142
Kanye isn't even a good producer. Everything is produced by someone else and he comes in and adds his disgusting "touches" to fuck everything up. Just go look at some of him albums production credits, why does a song need 5+ niggas to make one track?
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