why the obsession with vinyl records and cassette tapes?
aren't we in 2014
hell we've long since moved beyond CD's
it's all digital mp3 players now, smartphones and tablets
Is it just to feel more hipster? retro nostalgia? I'll admit the thought of playing a record on a record player or listening to a cassette is very comforting to me for some reason. although I do not own any vinyl or cassettes. so I guess it's more psychological than anything else. It's a curiosity , a novelty
would normal ppl today think it's cool or would they think it's weird? like your average person , would they be impressed by someone's record collection or think "this person still plays music on records..and cassettes...that's cray"
>vinyl generally sounds better
No. Much worse Signal-Noise-Ratio than CDs.
SNR - 1.76) / 6.02 = Q
(65 - 1.76) / 6.02 ~ 11 bits
===> 11 bits <====
Digital Audio Essentials. O'Reilly Media. p. 147. ISBN 0-596-00856-2)
I have no interest in taking my vinyl collection anywhere and if you are careful and own a good a record player (I have the VPI classic) then the reocrds wont get damaged. The large part is a bonus for me since I enjoy the artwork and dont mind giving up the storage space
yfw there are still people on /mu/ who haven't transferred their record collection onto wax cylinder.
nope, it has. 30 years ago.
vinyl sounds identical when digitized at 16 bits, 44,100 samples per second. fact.
vinyl is able to be fully captured with CD spec digitisation, therefore it cannot be better quality.
ive heard pbthal's 2014 rips through a transparent dac.
let me guess you dont believe in:
double blind trials
am i right?
so it sounds like there is a very limited market for it compared to mp3's or cd's, even tapes.
limiting products arent better than ones that are superior in their qualities, except maybe to some vinyl sounds better, but that debate has gone on for a long time and it just comes down to personal preferences.
so as far as i can see, vinyl is a luxury format, and has no real use other than to fulfil some fetishized idea of what music should sound like.
sorry that last part came off douchy, didnt mean to be insulting. my point is there though
when something is recorded analogue it sounds better on an analogue format. Unfortunately, most shit today is recorded on digital format so converting it back and mastering it to analogue is pointles
>when something is recorded analogue it sounds better on an analogue format
If you don't believe this, recreate the former ABX test.
Flawed methods because they don't factor in my $20000 turntable and $50000 sound system which make vinyl sound better than anything digital could possibly be.
oh yeah, and you probably think opamps are evil, cables sound different, and solid state is inferior to valves, right?
>when something is recorded analogue it sounds better on an analogue format.
wrong. burden of proof lies upon you. blind tests have consistently failed to show that digitisation is audible.
>most shit today is recorded on digital format so converting it back and mastering it to analogue is pointles
wrong again, pressing well-mastered digital content to vinyl is no more or less pointless than pressing all-analogue vinyl. how's that stereophile subscription working out for you?
that 'random dude' is a member of the team that created FLAC and OGG vorbis. he also links to the software used in his demonstrations and outlines his test procedure, so his results are repeatable by anyone.
start with these
they cite studies from peer reviewed journals ranging back to the early 1900s if that's what you were asking for.
To attain the pharmacy degree you had to learn and apply the scientific method.
Now apply it to audio technology and test your belief in vinyl's superiority with the double-blind AD/DA experiment.
while that would be nice if I had the time to actually preform a funded double blind study with willing particiapants, I unfortunately am to busy with my time
I have several friends who have Doctorates in classical instruments as well as production. Most of them can build TT and speakers from scratch. I actually own some of them. I believe their knowledge esaily outweighs everyone else here...
fucking lol, the idea that analog vinyl is somehow superior to 16 bit 44.1kHz digitisation is only common acceptable opinion among niche audiophile communities.
heres some scholarly articles:
C. E. Shannon, "Communication in the presence of noise", Proc. Institute of Radio Engineers, vol. 37, no.1, pp. 10–21, Jan. 1949. Reprint as classic paper in: Proc. IEEE, Vol. 86, No. 2, (Feb 1998)
Press, WH; Teukolsky, SA; Vetterling, WT; Flannery, BP (2007), "Section 13.11. Numerical Use of the Sampling Theorem", Numerical Recipes: The Art of Scientific Computing (3rd ed.), New York: Cambridge University Press, ISBN 978-0-521-88068-8
R.J. Marks II, Handbook of Fourier Analysis and Its Applications, Oxford University Press, (2009), Chapters 5-8.
>I believe their knowledge esaily outweighs everyone else here...
thats fine because weve cited qualified experts and 'schorlarly literature'. were not claiming expertise, rather, we're referring you to them.
yes i'm sure your special friends' knowledge easily outweighs the mathematical proofs of nyquist and shannon, not to mention 150 years of psychoacoustic research into the thresholds of audibility.
why are you so proud of your ignorance? youre no better than a flat-earther.
>there is always a debate among audiophiles
Yes, a debate where one side is wrong all the time and they don't realize the futility. Actual sources have been posted earlier in the thread as well by the way...
another pharmacist who collects vinyls!?!?!? at least we have the money. just geroge clooney it so you can be old and lonely as shit but have a huge vinyl collection...thats what Im going for lol (and not trollin, just trying to be funny. Im not Louis CK)
there also 'debate' as to whether apollo 11 landed on the moon. doesn't mean that the truth lies in the middle, nor does it imply the conspiracy theories hold any weight.
some light reading for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation
>youre no better than a flat-earther.
There was some other asshole making this reference recently. If this is all you, this is a really dumb and entry-level way to be pretentious/annoying.
thresholds of audibility. compare this with the 16-bit noise floor, according to triangular probability density function dither. also details sensitivity to level changes and frequency variations.
It's always been about removal for me. The more constantly in control I am, the more likely I am to fidget and stop and album. It's the same with movies: I'll watch a VHS all the way through because it's harder to control, but I'll pause Netflix and do whatever the fuck and come back to it. The easier I'm able to let something just happen at me, and the more of an effort it is for me to stop it, the more I'm willing to experience it.
not really. the deviations from theoretical perfection brought about by linear brickwall filtering and by quantising to 2^16 discrete levels are absolutely miniscule and are of little relevance to audibility.