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Choose a number from 1 to 56
Listen to the corresponding album and tell us your opinion!
Feel free to post any album related to Prog. This includes Math Rock, Avant Prog, Experimental/Art Rock, and even Jazz, Folk and Metal!
Update for the Chart in short (now with Google Spreadsheet, so it's easier to make fast changes). Any changes I should make?
Oh, and feel free to ask for recs!
I'm listening to Drones (1980) by Jean-Philippe Goude
Now I know where Koenjihyakkei got their sound from.
Very fun and upbeat, sounds nothig like the cover.
The problem is choosing which Pink Floyd album, since everybody thinks different.
Yup. That's because Prog Metal is a whole new genre that is almost as big as regular Prog.
I will just keep it at Prog, because there's also Prog Folk and Jazz. If someone asks why there is no Prog Metal I will just link them this chart.
If it's a well established gnere, what is Neo-Prog, exactly?
I will add some in the next version anyways.
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It's typified by the use of atmospheric guitar and synth soloing with symphonic leanings, with a tendency towards floating synth layers and dreamy soloing. An additional trait is the use of modern synths rather than vintage analogue synths and keyboards. The main reasons for Neo-Progressive artists to be separated from the ones exploring Symphonic Prog in the first place are the above, as well as a heavier emphasis on song-form and melody than some of their earlier symphonic counterparts.
If someone wants to comment on the Essential Chart, come here!
Okay. I'm going to listen to some then. Yesterday I listened to Transatlantic for my first time and it wasn't as bad as people say.
Wait you're a girl? that might explain why you're so reluctant to accept that your chart is shit
Wasn't that other anon starting a new chart from scratch? Why don't you help him out like he asked you to rather than constantly pushing this average chart
Yeah. Well, my chart might be shit, but I'm considering everyone's point of view.
And yeah, I'm going to put some of the albums he putted there. Next time I see him I wil ask him to merge charts or something.
Why is it so average though? What would you add/remove?
>Why is it so average though? What would you add/remove?
I dunno it just feels like there's way too much focus on obscure stuff, avant-prog and math rock, which is really misleading. Most people will see it, recognise like two albums, be confused about where all the normal classic albums are, then disregard the whole chart because it looks like mostly weird shit, especially in the modern section.
I know I did it a little bit, even though I know like 15 albums on there
i got 25 which is national health which is something I already fucking love so I'm not gonna stop listening to this soft machine but now you know my thoughts
Like, I'm just looking up the bottom row on RYM, the only one I know is Perhaps, and most of the genres there look like this, or some combination of math rock and avant-prog, and they don't have very high ratings or many ratings, which isn't great considering some people will want to use the chart for getting into prog
I know aggregate sites aren't perfect, but this chart seems to be ridiculously biased towards your own taste, and most people are just going to ignore it because of that.
>I dunno it just feels like there's way too much focus on obscure stuff
Definitely not. It's all relatively well known stuff that brings new things to the Prog table.
>avant-prog and math rock,
Well, every Avant-Prog album here sounds very different from each other, and the same goes for Math Rock
>Most people will see it, recognise like two albums, be confused about where all the normal classic albums are, then disregard the whole chart because it looks like mostly weird shit, especially in the modern section.
There are like 30 very well known/classic albums there.
Modern section you are sort of right, but that's because most people think Prog died in the 70s.
Still, I had the idea of making this chart in a google spreadsheet, so that every album has some "notes" with a DL link, a youtube sample, and a description of the album. It would make the chart a lot more accessible.
the best thing you could probably do is redub it from "essential" to an "esoteric" (or something along those lines) and kick out Yes/KC/JT/etc
or maybe divide into two categories, mild bobby sauce and tangy spongy sauce
I don't really like National Health, I don't get them. Still, Collapso is a great track, especially because of those "Synths"?
I would appreciate it if you could tell me what to add and remove btw.
Yeah, Perhaps is the least well known, but that's because it's from 2013, so it's obvious that not a lot of people have heard it. But it's there for a reason, which is the combination of multiple genres they make (Space Rock, Math Rock, Prog Rock, Heavy Metal, and Jazz Fusion in a very fun way).
>they don't have very high ratings or many ratings, which isn't great considering some people will want to use the chart for getting into prog
Well, that's their fault. The idea of the chart was make something with actually progressive albums, instead of stagnating with the same revivalist on the top of RYM's modern prog charts.
>this chart seems to be ridiculously biased towards your own taste,
Well, that's obvious, but few people are giving actual useful recs, so it's going to stay like that until someone else does something about it.
>and most people are just going to ignore it because of that.
I will add some Youtube samples so that people actually give those albums a try.
Haven't listened to it.
I already added those to the new version.
Okay, I already have Marillion and IQ.
Will check out the rest soon.
>few people are giving actual useful recs
That's because if you were to make it properly it would involve dropping almost half of those albums and it's easier to just start again, which is what gallifrey did.
Where is he btw? thread's already an hour old and he hasn't showed up yet
Also Perhaps is the only one I know, and that's because they had their 15 minutes of fame on PA last year. I didn't really like it, too mathy for me.
Updated chart here!
>That's because if you were to make it properly it would involve dropping almost half of those albums and it's easier to just start again, which is what gallifrey did.
Tell me which ones to remove then. It's not hard, there are few albums.
Also, I will try to merge charts with gallifrey.
Which one should I listen to first?
Sure would be easier if these were numbered.
I rolled 34, which is Ozric Tentacles - Erpland. I've already listened to it actually. My impression was that it these are very talented musicians and excellent improvisers (if they're improvising.) But I didn't find it very entertaining or exciting. It works fine as background music, but when I try to really listen it's 2mellow4me.
Re-rolled and got 21. Babu - Anabelas is going on my to-listen list.
I have to add some little things, but this is how it looks so far.
I thought you meant Wilson solo stuff.
Porcupine Tree was already added.
In the next version they are :3
Ozric was very interesting, they know how to make very interesting sounds.
>Re-rolled and got 21. Babu - Anabelas is going on my to-listen list.
That one is pretty cool. It could be described as Avant-Symphonic with Jazz Rock
I have a pretty good chart but can't post it because I'm on my phone
There was stuff like Oceansize, Riverside, Gazpacho and Karnivool. Just check out any artists on Kscope and InsideOut Music
Sup guys sorry I'm late, nice to know people miss me.
I can't believe I didn't think of this before. BRB doing my chart like that. It means my awful photoshop skills don't come into play
Gazpacho, recent Marillion, Mice on Stilts, Antimatter, even Anathema. Kscope is a great label for that atmospheric sort of stuff
I'm going to leave a whole bunch of sections wide open for you to put shit in
I'm currently trying to condense it down a bit, I'm thinking of including links to some "further listening" charts, and maybe only include 2-4 albums from each subgenre
Why not just use the one I'm already making? It has everything, with the exception of the Download links and samples. Just tell me which ones to add and we will have the perfect Prog chart.
>I'm thinking of including links to some "further listening" charts, and maybe only include 2-4 albums from each subgenre
I already have that covered under the album notes, with specific recs for more stuff similar to the album's genre.
Why do you want to make a new chart when there's already one?
I think it's easier if you just told me the most important Alternative Prog albums and then add some notes on my Doc for further listening.
Hey fag, last thread I told to listen to this.
Have you listened to it? What do you think? Why isn't it on the list?
As a person who never was really into prog, I want to start by the classics sure, but at the same time albums with a more abrasive, beginner-friendly approach, I loved In the Court of the Crimson King and that's the only Prog album I ever listened.
You are right.
I think Brain Salad is more important, especially because it's influence in video game music.
Still, Premiata Forneria Marconi is there, which is a combination of Yes and ELP (before they released their best albums)
Sorry, forgot to listen.
I will put it on my phone right now!
Gentle Giant's Octopus is a very good start.
Check the bottom two rows of this chart >>50828186
Make a Rising would be the ideal first choice.
Haven't heard, but on a related note, Owner of a Lonely Heart by Yes is very good.
I have to say Genesis' 80s pop period is miles away better than Yes'. You still hear all that retarded Invisible Touch shit. Plus Abacab and their self titled are actually fairly decent. And they never put out anything as putrid as Big Generator.
Of course, only King Crimson made it through the decade without embarassing themselves (of the "popular" prog bands)
Put some goddamn Renaissance and Caravan on there already.
Turn of the Cards and In the Land of the Grey and Pink. Is it too pop for you or something? Nine Feet Underground is one of the best prog compositions ever.
Also, no Camel?
I still have to listen to Renaissance, but why Camel and Caravan? They add nothing new.
>Is it too pop for you or something?
Pop is cool. There are two Prog Pop albums in the chart and Gong.
That wasn't me. I never use that kind of sarcasm.
Exactly. You have HatN and Gong.
Personally, I love Camel and prefer it to Soft Machine, but you have to draw the line somewhere or else the list gets too long or too focused on one subgenre. And IMO Soft Machine belongs on that list more because of its historical significance.
The list says essential prog, not groundbreaking prog. How are you gonna tell me In the Land of the Grey and Pink is not essential prog. It's miles better than fucking Third, which is like shitty jazz fusion. You've got 60 albums there, and you only want to put one from one of the most productive progressive scenes there was?
Maybe it's essential, but every other album in the chart is more esssential than it.
Third has a lot of historical importance and is considered one of the best by a lot of Progressive Rock sites. Calling it "shitty jazz fusion" only makes your point seem less convincing (not because you
Also, there are a lot of other Canterbury albums that are more diverse and groundbreaking (yes, being groundbreaking is important, because one of the reasons I made this chart was people saying that there was no good modern progressive rock, and I mean progressive as in moving forwards).
I'll give it another listen tomorrow and reconsider it though.
Fine fine maybe I got a bit too vitriolic, but I just personally prefer the first two Soft Machine albums to Third. I really don't see why Caravan isn't considered groundbreaking at all, its not like all members of the Canterbury scene sounded alike.
Even if you don't put them on the list, I recommend to anyone who wants to hear good melodic prog rock to check out Caravan, particularly In the Land of Grey and Pink and For Girls Who Grow Plump in the Night.
On a different note, can Procol Harum be considered prog? Their first album was groundbreaking and is a clear influence on many on this list.
I'm still trying to find a way to put very good albums that aren't groundbreaking on the chart. Maybe using a second one, or the Notes system from the Google Doc.
Haven't heard them, but it looks interesting.
The Free Pop Electronic Orchestra - A New Musical Experience
>Something with the sonic lushness of MPP
Not as extreme, but it uses a lot of electronic sounds. So, check!
>with the funkiness of Headhunters
>with progressive song structures
No, I wasn't. That's not what being sarcastic is about.
Why so bitter though? Why do you have to care so much for people you don't like?
Is anyone here checking the Google Doc? (goo-dot-gl/rKs35Y)
Remember that you can add comments on it.
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I'd pick Hot Rats since I think it's a far better album, but since you're going by some other criteria of being "groundbreaking" or "essential" (in other words sounding like shit or being boring), sure, go with Uncle Meat.
The problem with Hot Rats is that it doesn't really fit the Prog definition.
>you're going by some other criteria of being "groundbreaking" or "essential" (in other words sounding like shit or being boring),
I'm using a combination of both, and personally, I do find Uncle Meat better.
And none of the albums on the chart are shit or boring, you just have narrow tastes.
I'm just fucking with you, I get where you're coming from but maybe we can also make a list of prog albums that are more accessible, more of an introduction? People need some time to get into this kind of music, and I think it would be easier on them to start with Fragile instead of Close to the Edge, for instance. Or Gentle Giant's self titled instead of Octopus. That's how I got into it anyway.
You've got Mahavishnu Orchestra and that's clearly jazz fusion. Plus Third is basically jazz fusion too. Clearly the line between jazz fusion and prog rock is hard to define, and pretty much any Zappa album that could be considered prog could also be considered jazz fusion.
Alright fuck here we are. Did it in google docs, but it shat all these ugly lines everywhere when it exported
Now we argue about which to swap out
So they're ain't no D/Ls in the pastebin link in the chart. Is it a WIP or something?
I feel like a douche asking for spoonfeeding, so I'll share a couple of things in the mean time.
Camel - Snow Goose (2013)
>re-recording of the 70s classic prog album, worth a d/l if you're curious.
>I'm just fucking with you
>I get where you're coming from but maybe we can also make a list of prog albums that are more accessible, more of an introduction?
I'm working on it, don't worry. I'm going to put an asterisk to the least/most accessible ones, so that people who want to get into Prog listen to the easy stuff, or the experienced ones want something more challenging.
>People need some time to get into this kind of music, and I think it would be easier on them to start with Fragile instead of Close to the Edge, for instance.
That's a fair point. On the google doc I will put a Liked? Go for X Y DIdn''t liked it? Go for W, V. Do you get what I mean?
>Or Gentle Giant's self titled instead of Octopus. That's how I got into it anyway
Self titled is pretty bad compared to the rest, and not really that accessible
>You've got Mahavishnu Orchestra and that's clearly jazz fusion
It's Prog Jazz Fusion. The difference is that Hot Rats sticks to a single theme in it's songs, while MO uses a lot of themes per song.
>Plus Third is basically jazz fusion too
Same for Third, and Third is not only Jazz Fusion, but Canterbury
>Clearly the line between jazz fusion and prog rock is hard to define, and pretty much any Zappa album that could be considered prog could also be considered jazz fusion
Multi-sectional songs is the key to differentiate those
Define Prog then
Just because Wiki,RYM, PA, or whatever says it's a certain genre doesn't really mean it is
>Premiata Fomeria Marconi - Per un Amico
Never heard of it before, listening to this for the first time...
It's okay, not quite my cup of tea though. I'm enjoying it, but I don't think I'll come back for a second listen.
The Flower Kings - Desolation Rose
>hey you wanted some neo-prog thread, here you go, with some symphonic prog in there for good measure
Haken - The Mountain
>Should I go with Uncle Meat?
Probably Burnt Weeny Sandwich since it has "the little house i used to live in" and that's the closest Zappa gets to being prog. Or maybe Roxy & Elswhere
Riverside - Shrine of New Generation Slaves
> Polish Prog Metal
Red Queen to Gryphon Three is pretty essential if you ask me.
Also, I know most people don't really consider 10cc prog, and I suppose they aren't, but Sheet Music is definitely a great art rock album.
I wasn't ready for the feels.
I really like the Muffins.
I've had them on the HD for a long time, and I knew I liked them, but I finally started retreading some albums like 185 and Manna/Mirage and I adore the sound.
I guess I really have a love for the Canterbury Sound and the RIO Sound.
Anyone given this one a listen? I'd recommend it.
Nearly all the Gentle Giant albums have similar ratings on RYM, would that be the best one? Want to pick one that covers their sound pretty well and is a good entry
I think it's miles better but I hated Aquarius so maybe not for you. Visions is better than both though.
I plan to add links to further listening under each of the subgenres, so I'll definitely put that in for folk. Also Harmonium, which I was considering putting in over Comus because it's probably more prog, but I personally prefer Comus
u guise fucken serius
Didn't really think of them. But they would be under Krautrock probably and that would require dropping one of Can/Faust/Neu, which are pretty much the core three of the genre, and I don't want to expand specific subgenres too much in this initial chart
Also Amon Duul II would probably be above them
Holy shit, I completely forgot about Harmonium. I don't wanna write the name of the album, but it's the one of the five seasons. it's a beautiful album, and hard to decide between that and Combs.
God you guys all suck
I'll probably repost these at the start whenever we next have a prog thread