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>tfw no synth
It's the same as plugging in a keyboard into a DAW, r-right guys? R-Right?
theres only a shitty promo video atm but its a sampler/ sample sequencer with effects and it looks like its going to be around the 500 dollar mark. im just excited if it works well
only used one once but it seemed cool
fair enough. mpcs just get costly after all the upgrades
very rudimentary but nice sounding. too bad youll probably never find one for a good price these days
There's almost no traffic on there, which isn't surprising really, but it would be interesting if it actually takes off. Also why is √64 banned, it's not like reddit is banned from using their name.
>tfw no bros to discuss dissonance on the musician board with
no i'm a brit, altho i've not used an sh-2 since 91 or something cos i only borrowed it off my mate darrell for a bit and then i dunno what happened to it
but those are the things i rem anyway
sp's are pretty cool. i had a sp202 and still have a sp404sx. the octatrack is just so user friendly for live and has so many features which i why i really want one. elektron is good with mapping out the features and with their screen layouts as well.
I picked up a Minibrute as my first hard synth, easily my favorite "dont focus and fuck around" piece of kit. Recording and processing it in Ableton is more joyful than fatherhood.
I'm planing on getting a Volcabeat myself, I was impressed most by the sound but the features are decent. I really want a TR-606 but can't justify dropping $600 on something that's basically a toy.
Also I want to get an Arturia Beatstep because a 16 step sequencer with as many features as it has with CV, MIDI, and USB, for $100 is just too good to pass up.
I'm hoping to make some interesting lo-fi synth music by using the beatstep to clock a Volcabeats while sequencing a little VCO I made.
With a few effects I could have a real nifty little rig for under $400
this thing is amazing! I remember getting one of the first units. Great synth only problem I have with it is that the filter would sometimes turn itself off
It's a Voice of Saturn, it's a kit and there's like a dozen versions out.
Ill probably post it in another thread, most of the stuff I do is geetar music but I'm really into old synth music like Cauldron and Silver Apples and I'm hoping to get more into stuff like that.
Right now I have in the way of synth equipment is a Minibrute.
>Ordered a Microkorg a few months ago so I could finally start making music.
>mfw I still can't be assed to set up Ableton and start working.
Reading your post made me feel guilty.
Getting to know a DAW is pretty exhausting but also rewarding even though you won't get tracks done the first day.
Just jump into it anon, after a while you'll start to see results. It feels great.
Well-tracking sine oscillators are non-trivial to create. They also have no harmonics so they're not especially useful for subtractive synthesis. Quadrature oscillators like the doepfer A-143-9 or the Intellijel Dr. Octature are the best sines you'll get these days in the analog realm.
If you want to play with sines, get an additive or FM synth like the K5000, DX7 etc. Digital does it better.
I love my volca keys. simple synth, but sounds good and is fun to use.
3 of the keys on my Alesis Ion don't work. I'm pretty sure I just need to clean the contacts, Anyone have any experience with fixing an Ion?
I jsut want a sine source with frequency control as a small piece of hardware, without going into the modular realm. i know it's a dumb specific request but it would be great for what i have in mind and in tandem with my other equipment. i have been using apps on my iphone as sine sources lol
Not the ion, but I've done keybeds before. You need to take the whole keybed apart, including the keys off. There's usually little bubble contacts that you need to take off, and clean with isopropyl alcohol. 90% is fine, but 99% isn't much more expensive, so I always use that. Reassemble the keybed and let it dry for an hour. Then place it back inside and try it out.
Works like 90% of the time.
ESQ isn't from the 90s but is an awesome board. Very easy to use, sounds great.
Best deal out there at the moment, imo, is the K-Station. They're like 100-200 tops, knobby but with some deep editing available with some menu diving. Most of the old gems have gone up in price with the resurgence of interest in synths that cheap analog toys have brought.
Kurzweil K2*00 series is a desert island synth and they're stupid cheap now.
MicroBrute or MicroKorg? Never owned a synth before so only really looking for something to mess around with.
The monotribe also looks interesting but that ribbon keyboard looks super shitty.
Yeah, our bassist used to have one. It's the SH-09 (itself a precursor to the SH-101) with a second oscillator. If you're a fan of that Roland monosynth sound - and why wouldn't you be - you can't go wrong.
Check out this sweet case/paint job! This dude really looks after his synths.
Intellijel is swinging out of the fucking park lately. I've made room for a planar, dual adsr and I'm really trying to convince myself I don't need a metropolis. Awesome stuff coming out in euro from a lot of builders these days.
Korg Electribe ER-1
Alesis Midiverbs (x2)
Alesis Midiverb 2
Teac X-3r reel to reel
Digitech pds1002 delay pedal
Focusrite scarlett 2i4
Ibanez sc10 chorus
Behringer Eurorack mixer
You can mix on whatever you want but yes I do agree with you.
I'm not mixing/mastering hit records here, just making some jams for fun. I pl;an on getting some hs50 as soon as I can get some cash.
Oh yeah, I'm not hating on them or anything but after having those same headphones (ATH 700 if I saw correctly) for over a year I can easily say they are way too bright and have very little bass. I still put them on sometimes since they are fun to listen to but I would always be afraid to mix with them. Obviously you could just remix later, but it's not like I even have monitor headphones for my mixing either.
Also how about that hearing fatigue? Maybe I'm just a little bitch but after a few hours I can't barely listen anymore.
I rarely ever get hearing fatigue but hot damn do my cables get tangled a lot. My headphone cable is getting so stiff and these headphones are really busted up from the cable getting tangled on stuff.
Same. They actually broke on me a couple weeks ago from the cable snapping from the jack. The top pads were getting uncomfortable anyways and I already had a replacement. They lasted me a while but I really which I got the senn 558 or something instead.
Also on the topic of discussion what does everyone think about the reissue of the Korg Odyssey? Do you think it will actually be worth it or just a collectors item.
In due time. I really havent posted anything because I dont want to be one of those soundcloud bandcamp thread people.
I like to make house, deep house, dub techno type jams. I also like to make real spacey soundscapey stuff but that is more for fun.
Lately I've been just trying to make some electro to jam out with on bass since I havent been able to play with a band for a while.
I'll post a soundcloud full of random snippets I cannot manage to make into tracks whenever I get my interface working again. Asio4all can suck my dick.
I love this bb but I'm looking for a nice synth to purchase. Any ideas?
My biggest issue with making music is finding a central theme or aesthetic to anchor the kind of music I make.
Those threads are cool, but while I like the general idea of people sharing their WIPs, usually I don't find anything good there and I don't wanna be associated with that kinda stuff.
Someone once told me "make music to express, not to impress" and that changed the way I think about this kinda stuff.
Yeah I really agree with that. Mainly the reason why I can never get anything done is because I have not streamlined my workflow to the point where I can actually get things to come together cohesively. I usually end up making a bunch of patches and drum sequences and jamming out finding interesting sounds.
I cannot tell you how many times I've finished jamming and turned off my stuff completely forgetting to save it all. I'm also very harsh on myself and really hate a lot of my old recordings. I've really come a long way in only a few months though I've read a lot into how to arrange and layer things better and how to track into a DAW correctly. Its been a lot of fun and all I need to do now is keep working at it.
I know that feeling. I create at least one new Ableton sketch every day. I've heard the trick is to change focus to working on whole tracks, and forcing yourself to call something "complete".
>focus to working on whole tracks, and forcing yourself to call something "complete".
I can see how that would work and I can also see how painful it's going to be. I'll just have to work through it I guess.
I think having immediate access to the entire global landscape of music makes it intimidating. So, just make music you wanna listen to and then once you have enough songs, you can create an EP or Album which you can use to market the project.
I'm totally late to this, but old digital synths are worth nothing these days. You can get amazingly deep, sophisticated gear for very cheap (though that's less true of effect processors).
The downside is that they're often difficult to use, and sometimes can be unreliable.
DX7, M1, JX8P, OBXa
If you want to stick to software you could write a hundred synthwave albums with just the Korg Legacy Collection (M1/Wavestation) alone. Add FM8, SQ8L, PG8X and you've got most every base covered.
My budget is under 500 and I took off the frame cause it feels better.
It wasn't a bad idea circa 2000 (and that's exactly what I did), but I don't see much point now. It makes a difference in workflow but there's nothing inherently magical about digital hardware.
But still, the Yamaha TG77, Roland JV2080, Emu or Ensoniq samplers, Kurzweil K2xxx series, Kawai K5, etc. are very cheap and powerful.
But none of those are "something forgotten from the 90s something that has potential". Most of the stuff in that category involves a lot of menu diving and manual reading. I'm not even saying that's bad; it doesn't bother me at all. But what's popular now is "muh knobs".
>"something forgotten from the 90s something that has potential"
>Most of the stuff in that category involves a lot of menu diving and manual reading
You never said it had to be easy.
Would it be worth investing for a hardware setup for use without a computer?
I was thinking maybe having it consist of a Moog Voyager and a DSI Tempest, but not really sure what else I would need.
>not fully developing your musical aesthetics before you begin making music
do people really do this?
After adderall studying manuals and tutorials for several days I started to really like the monomachine and it's been great ever since
Wait until DSI finishes programming the Tempest. It's still buggy.
I also would recommend not getting a voyager unless you have to get rid of a bunch of money as a tax write-off or some crazy shit. It's an excellent synth, but it shouldn't be your first mono.
>not taking inspiration directly from your tools and workflow
Starting from scratch, I can't recommend it. What does it really offer you that you can't get any other way? It's fine to dick around with cheap gear, decide that you like working that way, and gradually expand. But I don't see much point in diving straight into high end stuff unless you've already got something really, really specific in mind.
>letting your workflow define you
>not defining your workflow
m8 what are you doing
>mfw I was saving up for a p08 but, I caved and bought an ms 20 even though I already had a mono bass
>tfw thought that was going to be the first reply
Go to one of the /ck/ discontinued foods threads sometime. It's terrible. The only one I can think other than the altoids right now is the green colored ketchup, but there has been really good candy and shit that have been discontinued this past decade.
The GS1/2 didn't have the same ones. I'd imagine they must have been worse. And for how rare they are, they're not worth mentioning.
Your right, but software is capable of even more.
I'm not the guy claiming the DX7 was the best synth ever though, I was just pointing out the only noteworthy part about the DX7 compared to it's successors.
You have to own a Mac to record samples onto it. That's a huge downside for me.
I just need a sampler with the ability to create patterns on the go from samples on a SD card. Should I wait for the new Electribe, or is there something cheaper I should look into?
I don't know about creating patterns but the mpx8 might be the portable sampler you're looking for, but just know it's more of a sampler player with the ability to loop or add reverb.
Otherwise, just lug around an sp series or something.
I haven't used it, but loading samples isn't a huge pain for me as long as there isn't any delay when I hit the pad.
I've heard equal horror stories about the SP303, does the lag only happen when loading from a card or does it apply to recording too? if so then fuck
I want to get an ethereal post punk sound with a vst. anyone know how to do it? some examples of the sound I want
"Plainsong" by the cure
I've never bought any hardware synths but I built this last week
1 of 2 (front view)
Anyone else get weirded out when they play an acoustic instrument due to all the dynamics? I played a piano and the polyphony along with having different volume envelopes for each note was a trip.
Forgot to add that the fact my notes weren't getting stolen when I used to long release pedal and it was creating all these dissonances was really cool along with the natural reverb of the hall.
i just got the korg monotribe in the mail a couple weeks ago, i enjoy fucking around on it alone but can feel its kindof lack of power on its own, im looking for somehting i can buy to use with my monotribe, was thinking maybe the korg monotron? any recomendations
Definitely not the monotrons. They're great for weird sounds, but not for any melodic, bass, or pad work.
The volca series uses the same sync system as the monotribe. The keys also make a great lead synth.
You might also want to check out any of the recent crop of monosynths
Yikes. I've been trained in piano (as well as voice, drumset, and percussion). I didn't get into synthesizers until the end of high school. It seems weird to me because I'm so used to full polyphony and articulation. I'm also pretty snobby when it comes to midi controllers.
I wasn't pissed or anything. I just thought you were genuinely taking the piss, and remarking that the nature of the instrument seems ordinary to myself. No need to get all defensive.
I'm actually the opposite I only really got into electronic instruments and never acoustic ones so the ability to not be burdened by the limits of the technology is really weird to me. I actually feel really detached to all the pieces in the way that a composer would to units in an orchestra
>the nature of the instrument seems ordinary to myself
ordinary really only because the piano was one of the first instruments, not because the sound it emits is anything close to the purest
>the ability to not be burdened by the limits of the technology is really weird to me
remember there are plenty of human limitations that machines blaze right through. like human beings are the absolute worst at keeping time
and? my philosophies are still valid
There is an intimacy to be had with acoustic instruments. I can't feel a synth the same way I can feel hammers hitting strings, or physically bending a note. Still just a tool though. Always nice to have a full toolbox.
The piano was very far from one of the first instruments. Do some research dude.
As per your philosophy, that's neat. But minimalism is more associated with classical composers like Steve Reich, Philip Glass, and John Cage
that's true, however there's a precision to machine instruments that acoustic instruments are unable to replicate. and there's really no argument to be made over which is the more subjectively superior musical characteristic, intimacy or accuracy. you may not be able to 'feel' a synth but that is but one selection of preferable qualities.
>The piano was very far from one of the first instruments.
but it still came before the synthesize. there's a very simple litmus test for instruments capable of achieving purity of sound: can it make a sine wave without overtones? if it can do that, any number, any combination of said instrument can replicate more complex sounds
>minimalism is more associated with classical composers like Steve Reich, Philip Glass, and John Cage
and the piano was more associated with Beethoven not your half & half digital meets organic glitch hop bangers, what's your point?
m8 you wot?
>not respecting others opinions
>trying to silence people
am I going to have to meme on you?
>But minimalism is more associated with classical composers like Steve Reich, Philip Glass, and John Cage
>What the literal fuck are you on about?
i am literally asking you the same question
>Music isn't about mathematical purity.
With any artistic medium you'll invariably find some people searching for the smallest logical construction within it that still yields a captivating product, that's what minimalism is. And seeing as music literally is nothing but mathematical phenomena occurring within the medium of sound, a search for mathematical purity is very much a search for the very atomic principles of all musical construction
triangle waves are alright in my book too tho
discourse is healthy within any artistic field. i don't know when or why exactly people have gotten so congratulatory, so pat-on-the-back as of lately, but arguments about the validity of one's own artistic philosophy being above the validity of another's used to be commonplace ways of sharpening your own understanding of the matter at hand.
>"The trouble with most of us is that we would rather be ruined by praise than saved by criticism."
Norman Vincent Peale said that. so if you ain't have anything but 'hey man nice track follow me i follow back' to add, i suggest you sit down and listen up
Q: what seems to you more likely when i said "I'm a minimalist"
>A) I'm exercising my own personal use of the word or
>B) I'm either Steve Reich, Philip Glass, or John Cage posting on 4chan
I just wish the idiot wouldn't shit up all of these synth threads. He should go make his own threads about shit only he wants to talk about. At the very least, he could post this music he's always on about, but he's never done that, all he ever does is talk about what he thinks is "right"
I was going to start with a Beatstep and a Microbrute, as well as a mixer and some pedals. Is this a good idea, I'm a beginner but I've been messing around in Reaper for a bit and I'm ready to drop money now.
i can't help all this uniqueness, i can barely handle being this much avant garde
lol uh huh right m8, would you like to back that theory up with at least anything?
see figure 1
well someone's got to
>one guy with a setup
>one guy who went to a modular convention
>one guy with an SP404
definitely a captivating thread. god bless the autoarchives
So leave if you don't like it. You don't have to make it shittier here.
Seriously, what is so bad about making your own thread where people will actually come to discuss the subject you desire?
Well go give it a try. It will be much more welcomed by the people who do care enough.
You might also want to check out /classical/, since they might be more of a challenge for you.
hey that's a good meme
looks like there's no /classical/ so I'm stuck in the same shithole i helped bring back to life even tho there's still barely any talk of synths.. posting this cause the next revolution in EMD production happens in sequencing, not synthesis
There's no synth discussion because you killed it
>sequence goes forward direction
>sequence goes backward direction
>sequence goes forward direction
>sequence goes backward direction
>sequence goes forward direction
>sequence goes backward direction
oh lordy it's even worse that i could've imagined
this sort of shit makes for the corniest melodic content ever
>I haven't heard of it before
>it must be bad
The sequence reverses when it reaches the end, like ping-pong. Great for Euclidean rhythms and other cool stuff. Not so great for dance music.
expressionistic and interpretive =/= abstract
meanwhile, bleep is all about the abstraction of musical constructions into purer, more functional, and ultimately much more elegant forms
Fuck yeah, I've been waiting for an excuse to bust out this picture of Jordan Rudess. Every time I think he can't get worse, he just outdoes himself.
I mostly use a DX27, Mutable Instruments Shruthi and a Blofeld, wavetable and FM are definitely my favs right now, I wanna get into modular so bad but money's a little tiny issue right now.
as far as sequencing, for what I do the alesis mmt-8 is perfect, i usually run the internal sequencers of my shruthi/microbrute/Vocla bass with the dx27 and blofeld performing whatever duties i want them to.
i still haven't modded my volca beats yet, i honestly can't stand the snare on it, but the kicks are godly, i'm okay with the boss dr-770
other than that it's an old mackie 1604 mixer, tascam 424, some old cassette deck i found at goodwill that works wonders, 2 alesis 3630 compressors, and a quadraverb and whatever effects i can find for dirt cheap. no computer involved in most of my stuff
but seriously wavetables are the fucking best, anyone here have experience with the waldorf microwaves, the microwave XT is my dream synth honestly
it costs money to sign up, but lynda.com is great for learning software, they have a few tutorial series' on sound & music as well, you might be able to find rips of their videos on youtube though.
Is there a synth out there that is about 24 keys , really lightweight and portable, and has the ability to record/loop stuff without being hooked up to a computer?
nah bruh, id go with *puts on raybans*
the samsung tablets if i could
for real though how much do they sell for, id rather have the original than a crapple with lagging lemur software
iOS actually has pretty low latency for audio and midi, plus it has tons of development for the platform. You don't need to like apple, but don't pretend like it isn't a good option.
i just dont like supporting companies that have dissapointed me in the past
the problem i have (although i havent researched it) is that i run all things windows,
wouldnt there be discrepancies if im running lemur iOS software in an ableton live session with a windows computer?
Why are people still using VAs?
As far as i know there's no difference between them and vsts unless you go virus or nord?
Also if you want to record midi in a daw it's extra work for VAs since midi and audio is combined for vsts.
Isn't it theoretically smarter to get a midi keyboard and drop money on analog gear instead if you want a cleaner workflow for digital synths?
i want a teaspoon
why wouldn't you want to go VA over vst, granted i fucking hate VA synths just cause all the ones ive used either sucked or had malfunctions in transmitting midi to ableton or the sounds/software never could load up in ableton
i cant fucking stand vst synths with midi keyboard controllers though...i need something physical to fuck around with
granted, getting a midi keyboard with a moog rack module, etc instead of the the whole analog synth is obviously best imo, its cheaper, more desk space, and then when people enter your studio they will think you work for nasa
i don't understand the midi for VA statement tho, im also sleep deprived haha
i know that, i just never got that far because the midi on both VAs i bought got so fucked up that turning an LFO knob created thousands of notes per second
>it sounded cool as fuck with this chimey, piano filtered sound i created, deadmau5 actually has used similar sound, idk bout the production method
i never got to the part of rendering it to audio since the synths were so fucked up...generally is it via the soundcard/amp, or another audio interface?
kk i figured, i was just too pissed about the hardware fucking up that badly to even go further into it
both of them were rolands...at least one of them was like the juno-d i think...
they were lent to me by a friend, but the guy he lent to previously fucked them up somehow, the audio probably worked but after spending ~12 hrs trying to somehow fix the midi (even with meh midi-usb cables it wasnt the problem)
that was a frustrating ass day, especially when returning the synths and telling my friend that his $1000+ equiptment is utter shit
>kk i figured, i was just too pissed about the hardware fucking up that badly to even go further into it
>both of them were rolands...at least one of them was like the juno-d i think...
>they were lent to me by a friend, but the guy he lent to previously fucked them up somehow, the audio probably worked but after spending ~12 hrs trying to somehow fix the midi (even with meh midi-usb cables it wasnt the problem)
>that was a frustrating ass day, especially when returning the synths and telling my friend that his $1000+ equiptment is utter shit
>im not even replying to the right posts >_<
got a pro 2 cause i want to get into modular. but now i don't know where to begin with modulars. what are some fat analog oscs? im trying to use these sweet filters
Got this a while back its a casio synth with three modwheels still don't know if I like it yet sounds awesome just a bitch to program unlike my alpha juno 2 which i luv
heres a sample of casio vz 1
Motherfucker arrived this morning
Monomachine is easily one of the best digital synths made.
I've never touched a 1 or 5 but the 816 was dead silent compared to the 7. I got mine from a composer and it was a studio queen, regret selling it but it was getting ready to have a host of problems. Power supply was pretty near needing a rebuild and there were already burst caps on multiple TF1s. If I were in the market for an FM synth today it would be the TX802 or TG77.
OP1. It doesn't loop like a loop recorder but you can sound-on-sound record loops in its "tape" recorder. It's great for making jams on the go, battery life is ridiculous.
Hot, I keep thinking of dumping my other rack monosynths and getting one. How's the paraphonic mode? Anyway, Noisebug and Pittsburgh Modular direct both have the Cell48 and 90 cases on sale. They're a cheap way to get into a reasonable case. I'd get a pair of oscillators, a few filters, a dual VCA and some kind of modulation. To be honest, I would begin with the filters first so you can run the Pro2 through something more wild.
Awesome synth, dem envelopes.
Noisebug has the modular dock for this for like 100bux. That's half off new, if you ever were thinking about euro, go grab it. There doesn't seem to be a lot of Vermona stuff out there and if/when it's discontinued the price jumps like a bastard.
...didn't know how much space I had left
>so you can run the Pro2 through something more wild.
Look at the doepfer wasp filter, phase shifter, intellijel korgasmatron. More milquetoast but still good are the doepfer A-108 and mutable ripples. Latter is nice because it's got a VCA too. You might also want to consider just going with voice modules, a pair of Atlantis would be a hell of a way to start a modular system. In a 90HP case there'd be room for the flip flop you'd want for the Pro2's gate out and you could play it duophonically. Ghetto oberheim two-voice. "Ghetto" is still ~$1200 but hey, it's modular.
>its a sampler/ sample sequencer
Hey, it's actually a music production station with synth engine.
Can't wait to see in-depth demos of the thing.