They're a pretty underrated band I think. They have a gothy image that people like to write off but they've actually made some pretty solid albums. Fuck that faggot Bam for appropriating their logo. He's such a skidmark.
Him's an underrated band that got overshadowed by bam, same thing with cky..I grew up with both bands and saw cKy 16 times..I wish they'd settle the bullshit and make some more music again..carver city was fucking awesome.
>>49834937 >They're a pretty underrated band I think. They have a gothy image that people like to write off but they've actually made some pretty solid albums.
this. love metal, deep shadows and brilliant highlights,greatest love songs vol. 666, and dark light are great albums..the video for "wings of a butterfly" got some play here in the US for a while..I should go see them again before they call it quits.
I liked everything up until Screamworks. It's a decent album, but not really as good as their earlier shit. Tears on Tape is alright, though. >Venus Doom is best album >>49835136 >did He just started another FFU US tour.
>>49835191 had no idea, I know he pissed the guys of cKy off for booking ffu show's as cky shows..people were expecting some motherfukin' cky and get some shitty cover band..shame cause bam actually made some of the music for the skits in the cky videos, and it isnt bad.
>>49834989 This. I knew this neckbeard kid who was into them in HS and he acted like he was so deep and dark because he liked shitty metal and HIM. It's for faggots who think Nightmare before Christmas is one of the greatest films of all time.
>>49835191 I havent listened to screamworks yet, I was told it was pretty much a dadrock album(even though HIM can be legitimately called dadrock now) and had no interest in it..how bad is it on a scale of 1-10?
>>49833750 I fuckin' love em, but seriously Ville Valo's lyrics become tiring as you progress through their discography and once you listen to them at least four times you can distinctly tell what is filler and what is not.
And Ohhh boy once you discover what the filler sounds like, you get angry about how much of it there is.
>>49835822 Wow, Screamworks is fucking terrible, go kill yourself. The HIM I knew died after releasing love metal. It's a shame that Ville Valo's voice just won't be the same because of all the cigs he smoked, but idk, HIM has a special place in my heart. Fuck the haters. Oh, and they've got some reissues coming up with a bunch of bonus tracks, I'm really excited to hear them. Probably the last time I'll ever care for something the band has released :((((((((.
>>49836297 And it's nothing about the band being mainstream. the quality of the music dropped after Love Metal. Anyone with ears can tell you that. Releasing newer shittier albums doesn't mean evolution.
>>49836327 Valo was shamed into disliking it, he was pretty proud of it when it was released. Their PR was spot on with promoting the album on popular television and radio play.
He wrote it for a mexican bin of plastic and sharpie tattoos, and is probably ashamed of that aspect of it too.
Definitely Valo was pressured into never playing it, the press, and all of their old-time fans could not stand its accessibility and its lighter edge and probably would let Valo die of alcohol poisoning if it meant a dark deep gothic album.
>>49836333 I always assumed Finnish metal was way more manly then the genre of love metal.
>>49836365 I always assumed once Warner got them, they were forced to change their sound because the label wanted to market it to a larger fanbase.
I don't think the quality changed, I think they just decided to take a turn with their sound. It was definitely darker, and was marketed towards teenage boys and young-adult men but eventually was pushed towards young girls because HIM got so many groupies.
I think its pretty easy to tell where their efforts are being placed within albums. Wherever there is a hit it definitely sounds different in comparison to filler.
>>49836415 No, he wasn't. He literally didn't care for it, after 5 weeks when it wasn't selling as much as he thought he would, he gave up hope on it. Screamworks was Ville thinking he could make it big in the US and failing miserably. He even got the producer for all of The Used's stuff to make the sound for him, that's why the end result sounds so fucking bland and uninspired. You're literally the only person I've ever met who'd rate Screamworks on the top of HIM's discography, that's insane. I'm willing to bet that was the first album you listened to when you set your eyes on it at your local hot topic, fgt.
>>49836491 Ville tried to go into full mainstream mode with Dark Light. I think he didnt quite archieved what he was hoping for, and that led him to depression and drug abuse, hence the "darkness" of Venus Doom.
>>49836528 No no no no, that was a big success, it was when HIM made it big in the United States. Look up the sales for that album. Venus Doom and everything after is a disappointment, sale's wise, for Ville. He's been bitching about music piracy since 2007 now, not realizing that the reason that people aren't buying the albums is because the music fucking sucks now.
>>49836523 Okay so all that PR, and interviews about him praising the lyrics and the artistry of the album don't count as him caring about it?
He had a video of a track by track about it goddamn
That album was his favorite thing until the reviews came back.
And he stopped caring about it when KVD rejected his advances.
It was him trying to make a decent album and put way too much concentration on one outcome of its creation, and it ending badly. So all of it ended badly.
Also i'm speaking as someone who listened to Razorblade Romance as their first album and worked their way upwards.
>>49836528 He is way too proud of that gold record. Honestly, he should just produce music Finnish people would like and keep his success there.
>>49836555 Screamworks is god-tier lyrically. That is one of the huge reasons I regard it as one of their best. Because their worst albums are exhausting lyrically. I don't want to hear "baby" every three lines.
>>49836585 They keep disappointing their fans expectations, they go doomy with Venus Doom, then poppy with SW, then mediocre as fuck with ToT They have little trust for them.
>>49836735 Ville's out of touch with the fans. He had a chance to release a demos/rarities compilation two years ago but thought it was a better idea to release a singles collection that no one wanted.
And Ville cares about the album to the extent that it sells, not to the point where he really feels much for the music he made. Every interview I watch with Ville lately is always focusing on the album sales, it's sad really.
They never play afternoon festivals or day festivals, I live in a sort of isolated area and the venues are at least four or five hours away. Sure I could make the trip but gas money and staying in the city is not worth it.
>>49836932 I saw them live opening up for cky, they were fucking awesome and loud...ville said "there's a band coming up next, they're 4 very sexy guys from philly"(talking about cKy who was headlining)..and the crowd went NUTS..this was on the viva la bands tour years back..good times, good memories.
>>49837156 >black Sabbath cocksucking personality He's still a black Sabbath cocksucker. TOT is supposed to be HIM trying to bring back the Black Sabbath vibe they had on the first couple albums. About that.....
And TOT sounds sonically better then Screamworks, come on now. At least, it's an attempt, rather then HIM selling out mercilessly ala Screamworks.
>>49833750 I first picked up Razorblade Romance because of the Bam Margera sticker on it. I wasn't amazed by it at first. However, I grew to really love their stuff, especially Greatest Lovesongs. I'm going through a period of post-breakup depression, so HIM helps me out alot
>>49837264 TOT is awful, All Lips go Blue is awful, Love Without Tears is a pitiful joke and embarrassing for Valo, Hearts at War was the worst one; I almost set my copy of the cd on fire, I don't understand how much disgusting filler and slurring could be allowed.
Valo's emotions are so mixed the entire album and not in a good way, he decides to be a crooning SW romantic at one point, and then becomes bat-shit pig shit disgusting pre-venus doom drunkard.
Screamworks was great sonically, it had great progression with a great opener and ended in a very soft way. It was a detailed album and was put together very well.
TOT is HIM having three minutes left on their test in class and putting down any answer that sounds plausible.
>>49837400 Lol at the metaphor at the end. If TOT is HIM having three minutes left on their test in class and putting down shitty answers, then Screamworks is HIM copying down the answers from a kid in class who has no idea what he's doing.
It's bland Americanized pop-rock with clean production that makes me want to gag. Ville fired a producer during Dark Light for making it sound too Americanized but he decided that it'd be a great idea for Screamworks. The best thing to come off Screamworks is the last song, which is a pure accident. and doesn't sound like it even belongs on it.
>>49837678 >Going from pop-rock to techno Yeah, the progression is just perfect.
I'll agree that SW shows how sober Ville is in the studio in that he's lost the ability to make music since sobering up. It's no coincidence that ever since he stopped drinking his music has sucked. He started drinking after TOT came out, probably because he realized that it didn't sell 1000000 copies like he thought it would.
Only problem with TOT is it's just too damn short for the amount of time HIM had to make it.
Pig shit disgusting thing to say he was drunk out of his mind during TOT and you can hear his slurring, even if the studio attempted to cover it up. In the vid where they announced their south america tour they were still recording TOT and he was disgusting with the hobo beard he was drinking during then as well. He has been drinking since his girlfriend came into the picture. Which was well before TOT happened.
Valo makes good decisions when he is sober, he performs live well because he cares about the people spending money on him, but when he did Helldone 2013 he ruined the show and fell off the stage and cussed fans out.
He hasn't lost his ability to write music, sobriety in studio let him attempt different things with his confidence. TOT was music made because he couldn't stand the thought of HIM's oldie fans lashing out at them again. Which was fucked up because bands change. They experiment.
Yes he wanted american success yes that is where the direction of SW went, but it was an album that I still think is way more listenable to in comparison to some of the garbage they have put out.
Shame on HIM for trying to make some money.
TOT is the worst album they've put out, they didn't even try to go back to their roots completely they just went into the studio and made fillers. Valo knows what fans like, he does. And he did the opposite during SW because he didn't care about what they thought
>>49837936 Helldone 2013 is one example of a fuck up. Ville was drunk all the time back in the early years and put on great shows. Ville doesn't make good decisions sober, he's more influenced by making money now then making good music.
I'll agree with the thought that Ville didn't give a shit about the fans when making SW. I can just hear the band begging to be played on the radio when I listen to it.
>>49838095 Helldone 2013 isn't the only example, its just the only one that had fans coverage and way more media discussing it because press back in the early 90s 2000s was controlled and people didn't have smart phones or high speed internet.
I do personally think he is just becoming a vapid uninterested greedy shell of himself. He is lucky that he has cocksuckers like Metal Hammer backing his shit up while he complains that the band isn't making money and Gas's wife is posting her latest Gucci purchase
>>49838517 Screamworks is very well written, inspires me that's for sure. Them metaphors and allusions are off the chart, Love the Hardest Way, Katherine Wheel, In the Arms of Rain, Happiness... All top tier killer jams.
>>49838656 I listen to that one when I walk in the rain. Living in Seattle increases the level of great that this album has.
>>49838658 Ah that sucks, never mind then. It is absolutely nice to know that there is someone else on /mu/ that loves Screamworks though. I loved In Venere Veritas, and listened to Screamworks almost every day for three months last year. I think i'm actually a little too obsessed with it, but I find different things in it every time y'know? Anyway you get an internet high five from me.
>>49838711 No, that doesn't have to be it. I listened to Screamworks every day for the longest time, there's always something new to it, whether it be the way the guitars are layered in Disarm Me, or the popcorn machine littered throughout the album. I've never even known this album registered on /mu/'s radar before, this such a weird coincidence.
>>49838758 Talk about huge coincidence, i've never met another SW fan that is this passionate about it. I actually contemplated on writing one of those 33 and a third books about it because of all the different little things you can find in it. I mean the layered voices in the first track, the keyboard that is just incredible throughout the entire album, the cryptic lyrics. Why is this the one that is your favorite? How come it is your favorite out of all of HIM's discography? I genuinely am curious now.
>>49838826 It's my favorite for many reasons, it was the first album release I really followed up until release for one, because I was a really big HIM fan leading up to it. Secondly, the lyrics linked up with some really weird events in my life that I really thought wouldn't come up in the lyrics of music I liked. Love the Hardest Way, Like St. Valentine, Acoustic Funeral... All examples. Ville wasn't kidding when he described the album as a sonic Valentine's card. There's so many little parts to it too, like the fact that Linde was bitten by a spider and that is what gave birth to Foreboding Sense, or the little Jane Austen reference in Scared to Death... It's deep. And then the fact that Ville could take these studio versions that coalesced into one solid effort as a band, and consolidate them as a personal acoustic effort all while he had a head cold is a sure sign that this is personal. I think that's the big part of this record is how personal that it all shows through. Ville spent months holed up in his Finnish castle touching up on just the acoustic demos of this album. To me, it feels like an album that sounds so much more personal than anyone could imagine. But to most, it's just a pop rock record. Up until this thread, I had no idea any one felt otherwise.
>>49839022 I wish you had a last.fm account now damn. Did you ever feel like really weird things were happening in reality after the release of the album? Like references were showing up everywhere? Maybe hearing about St.Catherine of Alexandria or finding out about that Life magazine photo of that woman who jumped off the building into a car? When KVD admitted she was the one that it was written for, I sort of went back to her video interviews from then pre-screamw"orks especially and she'd make references to love that sounded a lot like what came out of Screamworks. I definitely saw the influence there, and I felt like Ville put a lot of detail and effort into the lyrics not for the fans but definitely for KVD. But it just made me appreciate it more because the songs had one meaning and then a completely different one the next. How can you go from "Dine on Glass, Wine on Blood" to "Of all that’s been lost now, Let them bleed,Just let them" on TOT. I was so disappointed. Screamworks was like love with a menacing edge y'know? Looking back, HIM's other albums were great sonically, but this one had this sense of play and games combined with really great loudness. Even now, I can isolate the guitar in Katherine Wheel and appreciate it by itself. I applaud albums that can make my ears do that.
>>49839202 Anon, I got shivers reading your post. I'll never forget the page 43 fiasco, or Kat Von D. Look, I made a last fm account just for this.christiansen28 it is. Or just email, included in the name field. I'm actually starting to feel weird that someone else was as involved and paid as much attention to the album release as I did. Really, Seattle is not that far from where I am.
A band with a god-tier singer and some pretty talented instrumentalists, but who write like 2/3 pretty good songs per album and then some silly repetitive shit-tier filler.
Love Metal > Razorblade Romance > Greatest Lovesongs Vol. 666 > Dark Light > Venus Doom > Screamworks > Tears on tape > every fucking album in the universe > Deep Shadows and Brilliant Highlights
Ville's both lyrics and songwriting really improved a lot ever since Love Metal. It's probably the only album of theirs I can listen all the way through and legitemately enjoy/not cringe too hard. Sadly it peaked there and went on a steady decline ever since (well at least they didn't touch the levels of shit reached at Deep Shadows yet again). Don't really get all the praise for Venus Doom.
>>49841768 yeah he's a trainwreck, along with the rest of them. it's like they're stuck in the early thousands.They have this delusion that people care as much as they did in the past. they're all washed up alcoholics and durg addicts.
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