Here's a guide for anyone wondering about this "new genre."
No memes please.
Only Illamasqua Mix is hipster j-pop.
how the fuck is tune-yards related to this thread
So is /mu/ just gradually moving forward chronologically in its "ironic" appreciation of retro music aesthetics?
First the 80s/early 90s appreciation with vaporwave, and now late 90s/early 2000s bubblegum pop with this shit. What's next?
vaporwave is cool. it's the cold optimist that looks at the past and says, "wow. some things may suck today, but a lot of things have improved over the years"
whatever the hell this is insists on being obnoxious, thoughtless, and hungry for cock. it is the musical manifestation of a tall, fat gay man with a fauxhawk.
>vaporwave is cool. it's the cold optimist that looks at the past and says, "wow. some things may suck today, but a lot of things have improved over the years"
Not really. It's just slowed down Diana Ross and fetishization of Windows 95.
Bubblegum pop is already a genre and it's much less electronic. This is EDM with pop elements mostly. It was tagged as UK Bass and UK Garage before it became this distinctly feminine
>In Marx-influenced p?o?l?i?t?i?c?a?l? musical philosophy, accelerationism is the belief that in order to generate radical change, the prevailing system of c?a?p?i?t?a?l?i?s?m? pop should be expanded and its growth accelerated so that its self-destructive tendencies can be brought to their conclusion.
Probably the coolest/edgiest way to describe the music.
It is though. It's electronic dance music made by producers, who occasionally collaborate with pop vocalists. Pop structures are very loosely used and pretty disjointed if they're used.
sup dipshit, I see that you failed to actually read the context of my post and also that you failed to comprehend that your shitty EDM is a subset of pop, making any mentions of "pop-x" both superfluous and completely retarded
feel free to end your life at any time
Brostep is a derogatory name that "true dubstep" listeners started using to call its increasingly popular American counterpart because it was primarily listened to by "bros". Nobody listens to brostep ironically.
Are you some classicalfag who confuses "popular music" with "pop?"
And I you shouldn't really expect people to "comprehend" posts when your posts are completely devoid of content. Literally all you did was say "holy shit" and post a reaction image. Go fuck yourself, namefag. You don't know shit.
>who confuses "popular music" with "pop?"
ironic, seeing as you demonstrably don't know what those phrases mean
>And I you shouldn't
>to "comprehend" posts
if you'll notice, I said the context *of* my post
>You don't know shit.
you don't know what rockism is
>ironic, seeing as you demonstrably don't know what those phrases mean
How so? Learn to explain your thoughts, you fucking twelve year old.
You have made zero points about anything. Congrats.
So I hit the nail on the head when I anticipated you to pull up the "trichotomy" of popular music, folk music, and art music. How does that suddenly make "EDM with pop elements" impossible or illogical? Yes, they're different fucking genres. Are you denying that genres exist because it's all just popular music? What is even your point?
Stay gone and kill yourself, please. You've always been the worst poser here and were driven out for a reason.
>so I hit the nail on the head when I anticipated that people who are smarter and more well-educated than me had already beaten my argument? yeah, wrecked
>Yes, they're different fucking genres.
no, EDM is a subgenre of pop, you dumbass
>Are you denying that genres exist because it's all just popular music? What is even your point?
such a dumbass holy shit
that's like saying "it takes gold and metal and mixes them together"
gold is a metal, so saying "metal" does nothing to give you more information, making it superfluous
like I fucking said (very clearly, I might add)
> were driven out
lol, you realize I never left, right ? can't wait for the damage control on this one
>Dance music and pop music are different genres
ignoring your desperate samefagging, this really isn't a debate
I am the only one with any rhetorical ground
The difference between EDM and pop music is so vague it's not even funny. Pop music has been incorporating electronic snares, drums and synths since forever, it's probably produced the same way as EDM too. Both are meant to be danced and both are for a general audience as opposed to a particular niche. The only difference that may exist is vocals, even though certain subgenres of EDM also use vocals, lenght, although radio edits are 3-4 minutes long, and song structure, even though some EDM may incorporate verse-chorus-verse structure too.
Seriously, would you call Justice's D.A.N.C.E a pop track, or an EDM track? This makes the whole "incorporating pop elements into EDM" a ridiculous statement. Both have been incorporating elements from each other for ages, and EDM is, in fact, derivated from pop music to sometimes the point of indistinguishability, as I posted before.
>>so I hit the nail on the head when I anticipated that people who are smarter and more well-educated than me had already beaten my argument? yeah, wrecked
Jesus Christ, you actually wrote this and though, "Yeah, that'll show him!"
No idea, meaning, or content was delivered through that sentence. Do you expect to convince me of anything? If not, why are you posting? Are you simply seeking attention? All you just said was "Well, I think I'm smarter than you, therefore fuck you and I'm right."
Do you know how that reflects on you as a person? Not very well. And it doesn't make anyone want to talk to you. It's no wonder that you were driven off this site and had to change your name and drop your trip. Please, for the sake of both of us, leave.
>no, EDM is a subgenre of pop, you dumbass
Oh, my bad, the avant-kiddie who never listens to pop or EDM actually knows more than me, a person who actually knows shit about that kind of music and spends tons of time listening to it.
THIS JUST IN, GUYS, THESE ARE THE SAME FUCKING GENRE!!!
>lol, you realize I never left, right ?
Do it now then.
>hooks, choruses, and "catchiness"
Have you heard the Justice track anon is speaking of? Or anything by Deadmau5, Avicii, Martin Garrix, all the stuff that is actually labeled as EDM by people on the streets?
>that's like saying "it takes gold and metal and mixes them together"
That makes no sense. Awful analogy.
So if I said, "This is like a mix of bossa nova and free jazz," would you sperg out? Because they're both derived from jazz?
I don't think there's any point continuing this discussion with you, sorry
lol you sure spent a lot of time huffing and puffing over a misconception that the person more smart and educated was me and not oh, I don't know, possibly the fucking doctor that wrote the article which I linked to you (which you probably didn't read)
>Oh, my bad, the avant-kiddie who never listens to pop or EDM
textbook ad hominem
>a person who actually knows shit about that kind of music and spends tons of time listening to it.
(poor) attempt to argue from authority
>THIS JUST IN, GUYS, THESE ARE THE SAME FUCKING GENRE!!!
I don't even have to look to know you're cherry-picking in desperation
unless you can:
a. refute the premise
b. provide equal evidence to back up your own claims
c. show yourself as a better source than the article I posted
then you're useless. just concede or get out already.
>That makes no sense.
it makes no sense because the original statement was terrible and made no sense
> Awful analogy.
here look guise I combined elements of [subset of x] and combined them with [total set of x] !
same analogy, same reality, same dumbass
>So if I said, "This is like a mix of bossa nova and free jazz," would you sperg out? Because they're both derived from jazz?
this is a straw man, because two things _derived_ from _one_ thing are not being combined ; the total set of things and a subset of that set are being combined
which has not does not and will not EVER make sense in this context
The distinction between EDM and pop music really comes from the fact that EDM is made for the club and for the DJ, while pop is made for the radio and the masses. They do have different musical conventions as well, obviously.
Tons of EDM is never given a formal release and is instead distributed directly to DJs and clubs. It can be very underground and non-commercial.
I'm not obligated to read texts you link me without paraphrasing or describing at all.
EDM is not a subset of the "pop" I was referring to. Yes, it's a subset of popular music. No, it's not a subset of radio "pop" songs that are distinguished by prominent choruses and hooks. Modern day radio pop songs developed differently than EDM developed even though they can be roughly traced back to the same source.
It may look like I tried to "argue from authority," but the reason I said that was because you've provided no explanation of your own as to why EDM a subgenre of pop music, other than "I just know better than you."
Not really, a club audience is a specific and targeted audience and it calls for specific conventions.
>Electronic dance music (also known as EDM, dance music, club music, or simply dance) is a set of percussive electronic music genres produced primarily for dance-based entertainment environments, such as nightclubs. Dance music is generally produced for the use by DJs, sometimes by the DJ themselves, who then performs a live-set of their own music arrangements, or plays tracks from different artists in a rhythmic pattern in their DJ mix, progressing from one song to the next, often looping parts, adding samples or using sound effects to entertain
>produced primarily for dance-made entertainment environments
>generally produced for the use by DJs
>etc etc specific musical conventions
This is not the same as a pop song, which has:
>an aim of appealing to a general audience, rather than to a particular sub-culture or ideology
Club culture is a sub-culture.
>an emphasis on recording, production, and technology, over live performance
EDM is for live performance by DJs.
>a length often between two and a half and three and a half minutes
EDM is more often very extended in length.
>the verse-chorus form and the thirty-two-bar form, with a focus on melodies and catchy hooks, and a chorus that contrasts melodically, rhythmically and harmonically with the verse.
This isn't part of EDM.
Not required for EDM, which lacks a vocalist almost always
These are two different musical styles which CAN meet.
I originally stated that this genre, which I doubt Friendo has listened to, combines the standards of the two. It is played by DJs and made by producers for a club environment, yet it also has a tendency to add the element of the modern "pop star" who adds pop conventions into the song.
Friendo would much rather argue from a vague and reductionist standpoint, but if you actually listen to the music, it makes sense.
Lady Gaga makes electropop which is pretty much the meeting point of EDM and pop.
Genres are not perfectly drawn out lines that are objective. They're simply ways of describing music.
>They're simply ways of describing music.
>>49449042 wants to point out that his original point out that Sophie or QT or whatever is "combining the elements of EDM and pop music", which is ridiculous, since both are such interchangeable genres like you so dearly pointed out, so thanks.
fuck you fucking faggots making charts for everything and making up genres . first of all exposing anything good to people on /mu/ devalues the music substatially, second of all, your chart is retarded. just say 'the pc music label is good' and leave it at that. half of that shit is just mixes and singles. what are youd oing im going to ddos this fucking board so hard i know like 3 different people with massive bot nets. third of all, i knew about all this shit ages before you guys fuck you
ok here medal
its a copper medal and not gold to point out youre a loser
>devalues the music substatially
Hipster faggot. Stop being insecure about what you like.
>just say 'the pc music label is good' and leave it at that.
Sophie isn't on PC Music, and people keep posting garbage tracks as entry points, which could turn people away.
I guess the Black Eyed Pease are also electropop because people dance to it. And Katy Perry and Rihanna too and whatever fucking shit they play at the radio that has heavy use of beat machines and synths and stuff.
You could say that pop music is often danceable but nope, it's just electropop "where EDM and pop meets".
it was actually cool before p4k got ahold of it, now its just a bunch of retards thinking its 'ironic'
the sounds goal is so precise and accomplished that it brings a tear to my eye but these faggots are going to scrobble it along side their p4k and mu bullshit bands and next thing you know pc music is going to be washed out
Vaporwave was actually a decent genre until p4k got their grubby hands on r + 7 and /mu/ went apeshit. Fuck pitchfork, no one on this board would give a shit about anything if it wasn't for them.
>im not even that mad, im part of like 10 different underground online music scenes, this shit is just the tip of the ice berg. lol I'll always be ahead of you faggots
It's quite sympol. The structure of these songs are not typically like most [[[electronic music songs being put up on soundcloud or being released on labels that will die out in a year or two]]
IE: abnormal groups of measures, the breakdowns, the samples, the beat breaks themselves. Taking into account every other popular electronic music style being produced at the moment, this is top notch. Whether youre enjoying the style or art direction or not is not my concern, you have to give credit to its originality.
Another enticing aspect of this sound (im mostly talking about PC music) is how the sounds is 'released' and marketed. They have a web page for each new single, often themed: see QT, others. It creates an (i hate using this word) aesthetic space for the music for the user to enjoy. It has multiple dimensions, its not just a chipmunked pop song.
As far as art direction goes, I can't relate. I see a lot of track suits, hoop rings, mostly urban UK clothing, which isn't an oughts thing. The style still persists, but back to my point.. I can't relate nor speak on lyrical themes but I enjoy how precise they've got the sound and how its being, in a way, marketed to the listener through their aesthetic.
If, ignoring the incredibly appropriate label already supplied by, hey whaddaya know, the label name; I would refer to it as: 'Girls Grime'
If you want more Mr. Anthony Fantano, I can provide a long essay and send it via email
>Addressing me as Anthony
>IE: abnormal groups of measures, the breakdowns, the samples, the beat breaks themselves. Taking into account every other popular electronic music style being produced at the moment, this is top notch. Whether youre enjoying the style or art direction or not is not my concern, you have to give credit to its originality.
Cool beans, I could record sounds of my dog shitting and it would be original
>Another enticing aspect of this sound (im mostly talking about PC music) is how the sounds is 'released' and marketed. They have a web page for each new single, often themed: see QT, others. It creates an (i hate using this word) aesthetic space for the music for the user to enjoy. It has multiple dimensions, its not just a chipmunked pop song.
That's great, but if I wanted to listen to a normal genre, it wouldn't need to be supported with some aesthetic webpage that shits out the same thing over and over.
The bottom line is that there's no meaning to this tedious, counteraesthetic genre. It's honestly great that your favorite music review site gave this trite garbage BNT, but you're worshipping a site that named arianna grande BNM and put beyonce in the list of the top 100 songs of the decade so far. If you wanted to make high-pitched, overenthusiastic edm, you should do so with out the screeching, vapid pop vocals. This isn't an avant-garde movement, this is /mu/ getting its rocks off because p4k gave the trash pop they were to embarassed to admit to liking in the 90's a BNT.
Hello you all, I discovered this music through soundcloud originally, before pitchfork wrote about it, probably around last year sometime. Thank you for inquiring. I am not a ' fan drone ' although I enjoy the music to an extent. I find it sad that you are completely dismissing it and comparing it to a shitting dog. I'm sure you would love to listen to a 'normal genre' right about now, so go ahead I'm not stopping you. However, ignoring this music shows that you're either scared or old. These PC music girls would stab you for chatting shit.
Quote from a PC Music artist:
>Tinder's not cute at all. My thumb muscles only have the ability to move left so when I wanna swipe right I use my tongue and then when the time comes to go on the date I'm bed-ridden with the germs from my phone being inside my mouth :'(
The funny thing is that no matter how much you shitposters try to drag this through the mud, it will have absolutely no effect on the artists and their impact. They're going to keep putting out music whether you like it or not, and posting "lel it's meme pop" will do nothing about it. Whether you like it or not, the future is coming.
I wouldn't call this music futuristic, it is incredibly contemporary, but you're right about everything else.
What do you listen to then? Please tell me, really sternly and hard, how its 'serious and emotional folk music,' or, thrash metal. Because that's the vibe I'm getting from you. I actually don't care don't tell me.
>Hello you all, I discovered this music through soundcloud originally, before pitchfork wrote about it, probably around last year sometime.
>hank you for inquiring. I am not a ' fan drone ' although I enjoy the music to an extent.
Good for you, no one here is stopping you from enjoying something
>I find it sad that you are completely dismissing it and comparing it to a shitting dog.
I'm never completely dismiss genres, but this is hardly anything interesting or respectable.
> I'm sure you would love to listen to a 'normal genre' right about now, so go ahead I'm not stopping you. However, ignoring this music shows that you're either scared or old.
Heart of the problem right here, I'm neither scared nor old. I genuinely think this music is trash, there is little that's actually redeemable about this genre and /mu/tants are defending it because p4k gave it a BNT. They wouldn't give this tedious nonsense the time of day if it weren't for that trash website. Congrats on being ahead of the curve on this new genre, but it's genuinely not good. Enjoy it if you like it, but you're just enjoying vapid 90's pop
It has nothing to do with this thread, please go away.
>autists quoting every single bit of text the person they're responding to wrote
Go back to whatever shitty forum you came from.
What makes it a meme? I enjoy some top 40 songs, although I'm usually late to discovering them because I don't actively listen to the radio. Sounds like you're out to get the 'evil hipsters' for no reason. I wouldn't call this hipster music. The people making this stuff are very sincere.
I don't know about this. I'm conflicted. It's kind of vaporwave, but more "modern day," and I can't tell if it's being critical of pop culture, or if it sincerely likes pop culture.
This seems much more cynical and satirical. But I still can't tell because I read the Radio Tank Mix interview, and this guy seems to like radio pop.
Yeah, I was listening to some stuff by Sophie and I thought it was all the same, specifically Lemonade and Hard and thought it was all the same. Now I'm listening to some other stuff.
Not really into it because fucking annoying vocals but I can see that /mu/ is gonna be all over this.
>tfw i got to see sophie, ag cook, and qt live before any of the hype
>tfw it was the most fun i'd ever had at a show, even though i went alone
as much as i came to love all the metatextual stuff the more i got into it, it really is just incredibly enjoyable dance music on a base level. the people at the show ranged from little kids to young hipster socialities to older hispanic women, and all were dancing in a group in front of the table sophie and cook were spinning at.
the shitstorm on here really did all take off when pitchfork gave QT that BNT, and all the shitposting related to it has left me feeling pretty sour, not that it affects if and how i'd enjoy the music, but it does really amplify and expose the rancid cynical form online discussion can take, especially on sites like this. it seems most of the ire here is for pitchfork or the hype manufacturing cycle online, none of which have to do with the music or the artists themselves.
i dont know why i found myself surprised by this fact. if anything this whole debacle (even though it's nowhere near the ground /mu/ will seemingly inevitably drive it into yet) has taught me to second guess being shitty or better-than (ie shitty) in respect to music people enjoy that i don't. cuz im sitting here reading all these comments and thinking that if half of the people talking shit in this thread were there that rainy evening to experience the songs i heard live, (only a very few of which have been released so far by sophie or on the pc music label) you would feel differently about this whole situation.
lmao yeah, see, i have posted about this before, i figured mentioning the show would out me in some way, but i can't tell if you're being ironic and shitting on me for wanting to discuss this stuff with other people who might be interested online. probably are. ok.
Jesus christ I can't believe I read all that
anon is right, though, you're just being incredibly childish
Actually, both of you are being incredibly childish for arguing this fervently over something so pointless
Go outside or something, you sad fucks`
I've said this countless times, this place is definenley not the forum for it, even though I wish wholeheartedly that it could be, it always ends in people shitting over each other in discussions that don't go much further than trying to brand these dudes and the limits of their influences. And wanting to fuck the girls in the images.
Also the constant need to be spoonfed is fucking disgusting, there's always some in each thread.
"So... uh ... where do I download the music?"
Basically all of pc musics releases are up for grabs at their page,
If you were interested you would search for it, but you're not fucking entitled to it.
i guess i know that (it is fucking 4chan after all) but the one thread out of a hundred that i emerge from having had an interesting, enlightening discussion keeps me coming back.
oh to have more irl friends with similar interests in less immediately accessible artistic subcultures
>the shitstorm on here really did all take off when pitchfork gave QT that BNT, and all the shitposting related to it has left me feeling pretty sour, not that it affects if and how i'd enjoy the music, but it does really amplify and expose the rancid cynical form online discussion can take, especially on sites like this. it seems most of the ire here is for pitchfork or the hype manufacturing cycle online, none of which have to do with the music or the artists themselves.
im not sure when memefork best new meme'd this meme genre but there was blatant viral marketing going on and the funposting was in reaction to the viral marketing
i'd say the viral marketing started a few weeks prior to the bnm and that the bnm just triggered an influx of senseless faggotry/dronehumming. alot of people actually enjoyed the music the weeks prior aswell
So, right, over the last two weeks on here or so this music has been described as the combined sonical experiments between nightcore, bubblegum dance, vaporwave, chav music, jam citys classical curves and the rest of the night slugs rooster, hudson mohawke-rustie-other maximalists, kpop, jpop... am i missing something?
ag cook mentioned max martin in some interview, but who gives a fuck about what the artists think haha am i rite fuckers
I made it because I want people to know there's a more experimental side and a more poppy side. People seem to just be posting Hey QT over and over, which makes everyone thing the entire "genre" is in the same vein.