No jazz thread?
Thoughts on recent listens?
Favorite solo from favorite album?
Do you play?
What have you been practicing lately?
Listens to Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music. Really liking it so far.
I play double bass myself and my studies have just started so I've just started practicing the basics.
pic related. Really really great.
What does /jazz/ think of Charlie Christian?
i finally got around to listening to Destinations Unknown after having it recommended weeks ago. it was pretty good but it didn't blow me away like i thought it would. what other modern jazz should i check out?
mostly Diz, Oscar Peterson and Ray Brown. Pic related is one of my favs in the CC series.
andrew hill comes to mind
maybe you've been listening to the wrong stuff, I'd try Bud Powell - Bud!
Charlies Christian's the man! I'm not even crazy about Goodman but his work with him is extraordinary. have you heard the jam sessions at Minton's album? features lots of bebop greats like Monk, Roy Eldridge, Hot Lips Page.
has anyone here seen "Jackie McLean on Mars"? Superb short film about his later career as educator and an out jazz evergreen. Essential viewing imo.
I wasn't crazy about that album on first listen but I've listened to it two more times now and it's starting to click. It's kind of traditional I guess but what they're playing is just on another level.
to me Coltrane is really the most shining example of what third stream jazz developed into. try listening to crescent or a love supreme. giant steps is probably my favorite of his hard bop records though.
>mfw this is what plebs actually think
go listen to basshunter.
Jemeel Moondoc is a rather unknown and underrated figure in the avant-garde jazz scene (much like the late Fred Anderson). As a player, Allmusic compares him to the likes of Ornette Coleman, Charles Tyler and Jackie McLean.
Anyway, great modern creative jazz. Recommended for people who don't care that much for the overblowers.
Mostly audition material for upcoming placements, really. It kinda blows because I don't have time to do most of my usual daily stuff, but listening to the other guys I'm pretty ahead of the game so I might be able to coast a little, inshallah.
Other than working on charts, mostly working on physical stuff. I have a goofy embouchure than might have to get changed in the upcoming year so I've been working on an aesthetically perfect setup--that way if I need to change it won't be like pulling teeth and I won't miss any work.
i have a copy of this, but i have not had an opportunity to listen to it yet.. looks like there is no guitar on it?
john voigt, plays an electric upright.. maybe that's what you're hearing? based on the lineup, i doubt he is trying to provide a traditional role or play anything that is considered traditional supportive harmony ..
lol i might just delete it
Currently listening to this. Very well recorded for 1955 and progressive music for then too.
Lately I've been trying to work on my left hand dexterity so I've been practicing sort of 2-part duets between my hands and trying to improvise thematically.
Lately I've been thinking Action! is his best.
Any of you Woody Shaw fans heard this album? What do you think about his takes on the Shaw tunes? What do you think about him using guitar for the tunes when Shaw almost never recorded with guitarists?
What's your favorite Charlie Parker solo? I've always been partial to this one for whatever reason. Miles' solo isn't that great though. And I think it's Duke Jordan on piano?
I love his version of Lover Man with Ray Brown on bass. not the heroin one, the good one. absolute classic.
pic related also has great moments.
I'm loving Thelonious Alone in San Francisco
Can anyone recommend me more jazz which is based entirely on a single player?
that's a fantastic record. his bass solos when coltrane was doing his really out live shows are also pretty spine-tingling.
anyone here heard trane live at the jazz gallery 1960? it's his first live show with mccoy tyner, contains some of the most expressive, dynamite solos of both men's careers.
well, not entirely solo, but mostly.
Man. Must have been great being a 20-year-old kid and taking a solo right after Charlier Parker. And by great I mean fucking terrifying.
I just read Miles' autobiography and Minton's Playhouse sounded like a brutal place.
Am I the only one who found this boring on the first listen?
it was really a take no prisoners kind of affair.
"But after playing dates with the Hines Orchestra, sidemen Gillespie, Parker, Webster and a few others slipped off to a club in Harlem called Minton's Playhouse where they jammed for hours. Gillespie recalled, 'There were always some cats showing up there who couldn't blow at all.' One was a tenor player they called 'Demon' who tried to dominate the jam sessions. Gillespie called him 'The first freedom player – free of harmony, free of rhythm, free of everything!' One night, when Demon was playing chorus after chorus, Teddy Hill, the manager of Minton's, stood in front of the bandstand with his arms folded and yelled, 'Demon, get off my bandstand!' Gillespie said, 'We began to work out some complex variations on chords and we used them to scare away the no-talent guys.'"
not really. it was the first jazz album I ever heard probably, and I only ever liked the lead-off track and title track. the rest is kind of meh. try their live at carnegie hall album, it's much more inspired.
is that Teddy Kotick on the cover w/ Bird?
it's definitely not Tommy Potter and i'm pretty sure it's also not Curley Russell, both who are credited on the record
*shrug* .. maybe it's Curley Russell.. though i believe he was generally photographed with a much lighter bass and i believe his skin was also somewhat darker
also: My favorite Parker solos would be Live at St Nick's poor sound quality, but fucken-A .. burnin .. Roy Haynes too!
yea man.. i wasn't trying to disparage his work with JC
no. it IS kinda boring, though i cannot really hate that band or brubeck himself..
he does look kind of white... but it might be curley.
have you heard misterioso by monk? roy haynes and monk were so great together. almost telepathic. too bad they couldn't find a better bassist, not to discount abdul-malik but his playing just isn't up there. and man johnny griffin, what a fucking solid blower.
anyone here tend to get old popular jazz tunes stuck in their head? right now I can't stop listening to Cab Calloway's "A Bee Gezindt" really funny song, and it cooks.
i constantly get tunes in my head.. especially when listening to singers.. not really a particular favorite and i don't like most of her stuff, but i was checking-out a Blossom Deary record and i really like the way she sang Deed I Do
and anytime i put on a Billie Holiday record, i generally end up learning the words to something i overlooked previously - I'll Never Be The Same; I Wished On The Moon; Sugar; Foolin Myself; When Your Lover Has Gone etc
makes sense, only it's kind of irritating to me, guitars being kind of fixed pitch and all and having perfect pitch.
blossom dearie, been meaning to listen to her.
eh.. i generally don't like her voice all that much .. she seems to have a really flat or limited range of expressiveness and sounds almost like a little kid..
personally, i'd rather listen to Billie Holiday.. or Abbey Lincoln.. also heavily dig Helen Merrill -- what a badass
Can you jazz guys help me out with something?
I like this very mellow, just sax and piano ambient jazz
Is there a certain sub genre to this? Or is it just a regular paino sax instrumental. Also if you guys have anything similar I would love to hear it, thanks.
/daily/ poster here. I'm not familiar with jazz, so I want to make september a jazz month. I wanted to organise the month in a way, and I decided to break it down both by instruments, and subgenres. The subgenre restrictions are self explanatory, the instrument restrictions mean I'm going to listen to an album by an artist playing that instrument, solo, or with a band, or an album where that instrument shines. This is the setup I have now. Right now, I'd like to know if this looks doable or not, as in will I be able to find an at least half decent album for each day. If not, what changes should I make to make it easier on myself? I have doubts about the guitar and drum weeks, but I didn't want so many wind instruments on there, but if necesseary, I'll replace those, and anything else, really. If anyone has any recommendations, I'll gladly accept those as well.
I'm still fairly new to the genre but I'd like to start trying to play some jazz since it sounds so fun to play. I have a keyboard so I thought I'd give it a try playing some jazz piano. I only really know the basics of theory like major and minor chords and some scales.
So where do I start with jazz piano? I don't really have money to take lessons.
Here would be my picks for you if you're interested.
1. Woody Shaw- Cassandranite
2. Chet Baker- Chet Baker Sings
3. Lee Morgan- The Sidewinder
4. Miles Davis- E.S.P.
5. Freddie Hubbard- Red Clay
6. Don Cherry- Mu
7. Ornette Coleman- The Shape of Jazz to Come
8. Sam Rivers- Contours
9. Stan Getz- West Coast Jazz
10. Joe Henderson- Page One
11. Wayne Shorter- Speak No Evil
12. Joe Henderson- Multiple
13. Eric Dolphy- Iron Man
14. Cecil Taylor- Unit Structures
15. Andrew Hill- Point of Departure
16. Bill Evans- Sunday at the Village Vanguard
17. Horace Silver- and the Jazz Messengers
18. Herbie Hancock- Maiden Voyage
19. Chick Corea and RtF- Light as a Feather
20. Craig Taborn Trio- Chants
21. Sonny Sharrock- Black Woman
22. Pat Martino- Exit
23. Jim Hall/Bill Evans- Interplay
24. Grant Green- Solid
25. Johnathan Kreisberg- Nine Stories Wide
26. Pat Metheny Group- s/t
27. Derek Bailey/Dave Holland- Improvisations for Cello and Guitar
28. Billy Hart- Enchance
29. Tony Williams- Lifetime
30. Chico Hamilton Quintet in Hi Fi
Well the first step is just to get your piano and theory fluency up to a higher level. You've got to be intimately familiar with the piano and with the harmony. Practice your scales until you can do every major and minor scale quickly in two octaves without even thinking about it. You're going to be able to want to play all your major and minor chords immediately in any inversion too.
Then to work on your theory I'd recommend finding some online resources to figure out how to do Roman numeral analysis. Practice with Bach chorales until you can just look at the piece and start analyzing it harmonically.
Then you're about ready to start playing jazz.
Chet baker doing it big on this track, 1:00 in marks his part and it is extraordinary. Though I am just a chet baker fan.
Also been listening to soil and pimp, a pretty badass japanese band that plays super fast songs
This month I've been using numbers, but given how little I know about jazz I think I'll have to come up with a different method. I don't think I'll be able to rate them beyond "I enjoyed this" and "I didn't enjoy this". I'll try though.
They told me the same thing over at /daily/ when I came up with the idea. I decided to listen to these, as well as The Shape of Jazz to Come this month to prepare for september. I listened to Kind of Blue already, and I downloaded the rest. I'll listen to all of them this week.
I'd recommend looking into Jackie McLean. He definitely has a more Ornette approach to playing but his music tends to stick more within the realm of hard bop. Check out Let Freedom Ring and One Step Beyond. Both incredibly good records.
Man this is pretty fucking good. I have a bunch of Jackie on my hard drive, but I never touched the stuff before.
Just found a folder with Bud powell playing tempus fugit. This one is good, But and chet made some good songs together too.
I don't think any of the tracks from this are on youtube but this is worth checking out. I'm pretty sure its on spotify.
I think it was the first jazz album that wasn't free that I thoroughly enjoyed (I didn't listen to a lot of jazz, free or otherwise, so that's not saying much). It was relaxing, but engaging, I didn't have to struggle to pay attention. It was great, I loved it.
Bumping with some good shit.
What do you guys think about the Live at Smalls series? Any favorites? Anybody ever watch their live streams on their website? How fucking good are Ari Hoenig, Will Vinson, and Johnathan Kreisberg?
A little too fusion for my tatses but decent stuff none the less. For some reason I hate fusion jazz with a passion.
>those feels when you can't listen to all of miles davis work without cringing
What about Ray Bryant, anybody like him? Not the most progressive player or anything but awesome in his simplicity.
Also I found out the other day that Duane, Robin and Kevin Eubanks are his nephews.
honestly? each member of voyager is one of my favorite if not my favorite on each instrument, and I really am not a fan of that album. it's too self congratulatory and it doesn't come together as a coherent album. I'm finally checking out the new album after some initial resistance to buying it (pic related) and I'm still kinda disappointed. for completely different reasons. I could point people to a dozen albums where all 6 of these musicians sound so, so much better
you should set aside a day for modern jazz (i.e. modern tuesdays) especially when 3 of your days heavily overlap; post-bop, cool and modal.
Sax: Walter Smith III - Casually Introducing
Trumpet: Terence Blanchard - Magnetic
Piano: Aaron Parks - Nemesis OR Robert Glasper - Double Booked OR Brad Mehldau - Largo
Guitar: Kurt Rosenwinkel - Star of Jupiter OR Nir Felder - Golden Age
Drums: Brian Blade - Season of Changes
thanks for doing this btw
based as fuck
the only other two i have are bernstein/goldings/stewart and will vinson, which are both pretty different but solid albums. punk bop is my fave though. don't sleep on tigran's playing either... his solo on green spleen is fucking nuts
>not Modern Monday and Free Friday
Yeah I was also thinking there is a lot of overlap between post-bop/hard bop/modal. And then between avant and free jazz too. It would be a cool idea to do a modern or bebop or pre-bebop day.
You should check this one out. It's similarly badass.
Hey guys, I'm hard into classical as a saxophone, piano, and double bass player, but lately I've been wanting to get into jazz. What are some great entry level albums. I've tried quite a few, like headhunters, but I just don't like it, there's no substance to it. But I love Sinatra and most big band/orchaestral jazz. Any recommendations? Thank you!
serious answer, check out this album.
Give this a listen. I bet the classical musician in you will appreciate the musicianship and the subtly layered, contrapuntal style of composition.
you always post this thread, I'll have to actually listen to it.
BTW JTG: mutracker might be having a jazz contest soon, it would be cool for you to upload some shit and share it
I want something like this, but even more excessive. What should I listen to?
talking shit on herbie isn't going to win you any favors, lmao... his music is definitely more substantial than sinatra.
anyway since you like big band music obviously check that shit out. old and new; i imagine you're somewhat familiar with duke ellington, basie and the like (if not check them out), but more modern big band music can also be great. gil evans, maria schneider, darcy james argue...
otherwise, just a guess, but you might like some cool and early third stream stuff, since it's more composed and formally thought out. miles davis' birth of the cool, the modern jazz quartet, lennie tristano, gunther schuller
Joe Lovano - Sounds of Joy
It's a rare record and it's fucking great. Anthony Cox goes ham on the bass and Ed Blackwell is always off the chain. Lovano, of course, kills it.
I'm going back to music school in two weeks, and seeing how I'm just going to be learning Charlie Parker shit there I've been trying to listen to as much interesting stuff and incorporating that into my playing. So I'm just kinda playing standards and trying to phrase like Lovano and some other guys I like
wow, that's really embarrassing. I think that's just the first song name I saw while scrolling through my library and I typed it by accident. Ambrose's new record might be a good choice because it's so different than his others, but by and large I tried to get a diverse array of albums and Ambrose is already somewhat represented on Walter's album, since their musical styles tend to be pretty similar. (I guess there is overlap on some of the other albums too though.) I considered Christian aTunde Adjuah but it's a pretty long album. Terence's new joint is really good if you haven't checked it out.
i've heard some terence and i'm down with it, not that record tho. i'll check it out. i just thought those guys might be more exciting, but i hear you on the walter thing, and lenght
You should check out the Captain Black Big Band
Yeah the compositions themselves are so complex and intricate. It's almost more like big band music. And I think they perfectly blend in so many of the different styles of jazz into one cohesive sound. Yeah the interplay is just unreal too.
Wow, I've never heard anyone say anything like that. Because I agree, they're some of my very favorite musicians. And stuff like Daylight at Midnight, III, and Sounding Point are some of my favorites, as well (plus any lpethora of records that Eric Harland has been on). What albums are you thinking of when you say that?
Walter Smith III: Casually Introducing, III and most likely Still Casual
Taylor Eigsti: Daylight at Midnight, Let it Come to You, Conviction (Kendrick Scott album)
Julian Lage: Gladwell, Sounding Point
Eric Harland: anything
Harish Raghavan: any of Ambrose's albums
and Nir Felder who was on Vipassana has a great album of his own from this year as well
What are some great clarinet players? I only know of Eric Dolphy and maybe one or two more.
I prefer more melodic stuff, without many "random" notes (whatever, I don't like harmony-less improv.), and I've been in love with the sound of this instrument.
BBNG isn't terrible or anything but I don't think they're great. The hip hop and pop covers are a cool idea but I think they could push the arrangements a little more. They're not bad but I think their technical abilities aren't the greatest.
Never listened to Squarepusher
Here are some favorites of mine that use string sections-
Gene Bertoncini- Concerti
Gil Goldstein- Under Rousseau's Moon
Radio.string.quartet.vienna (any of their albums)
John Escreet- Sabotage and Celebration
Vijay Iyer- Mutations (not really jazz)
As for sax quartets, I don't know any who play jazz.