Let's talk about Michael Jackson.
Opinions on him? Genius? Overrated?
Favorite albums? Favorite Songs?
Worst Albums? Worst Songs?
>Opinions on him?
Probably the best super-mainstream pop artist of all time, nobody is more deserving of the "King of Pop" accolade than he is imo.
Bad, Off the Wall, Dangerous
Leave Me Alone, Rock With You, Dirty Diana, Smooth Criminal, Human Nature, Liberian Girl, Remember the Time
Does that new one count? That was terrible.
I dunno about worst but I always felt like the title track on Thriller was really overrated
>All pop is overrated OP.
And yet the greatest pop album of all time has largely gone ignored.
Even though the rest of the album is total garbage, I think the title track from "Blood On The Dance Floor" is one of his best songs.
Favorite songs are Billie Jean, Rock With You, Human Nature, and Working Day and Night personally.
i'm a music scrub without the vocabulary to talk about why i dislike certain songs, but i'll give it a shot
most of my dislike comes down to the vocals. i normally like michael's voice alright but there's something he's doing in this one that he's not doing in, say, smooth criminal that rubs me the wrong way. i don't like the guitar much, but there's a certain funk guitar sound i don't like automatically
i know pop music isn't musically adventurous but billie jean in particular feels pretty uninspired. i only remember it because it gets stuck in my head for days
I saw Thriller on the big screen at the Seattle EMP museum awhile ago and forgot just how genius that video really is.
That being said, the song itself I never thought was all that great, compared to the rest of the album.
Billie Jean is one of those songs that once you see him perform it live, it enhances the song and you can't really separate them anymore. I can't listen to that song anymore without picturing the glove and the hat and the moonwalk with it.
He's a genius, and underrated if anything. There will likely never, ever be a life quite like Michael's to grace the world of music.
This is a man who from the age of 6 years old, was learning how to sing in a band with his brother's, performing in strip clubs and seedy bars, amateur talent shows, anything to try and make a name for themselves. According to his family, even as an 18 month old baby, Michael had the ability to hear a tune and start singing the tune of it, even if he couldn't say the words. When Joe Jackson was managing the band, even though Michael was 6, he made him the lead singer instead of his 10 year old brother Jermaine, because it was glaringly obvious that he had some kind of innate talent for singing his brother's just couldn't match. In his own words, even as a child, he had the ability to watch someone do a dance, and then emulate it perfectly after viewing it once. He actually learned to moonwalk from young black kids in the ghetto, and just started copying them and making it look more 'smooth'. This is a man who at the age of 12, had 4 number 1 hit singles in the United States.
He propelled music into a form of entertainment that could be more than just singing, dancing and playing instruments. Videos like Thriller and Bad seem to tell a story along with the music. Michael wasn't just some pop singer doing what everyone else told him to, far from it. Thriller likely would have never been made as it was without Michael constantly fighting for creative freedom. He wanted his music, his performances, his videos, his movie all to be spectacles that piqued your imagination. He would go out on stage and perform Thriller, then come back to a home filled with ancient Greek paintings and listen to Tchaikovsky and Prokofiev. As a 25 year old.
"We Are the World" raised tens of millions of dollars of humanitarian aid for starving and sick children in Africa. He was possibly the world's greatest philanthropist.
He was truly the GOAT.
And yet, there are still people who think he was just another mindless pop star or a passing fad of the 80s. So yes, he's underrated even if Thriller, Bad, Off the Wall and Dangerous are some of top best selling albums of all time. Even if he's one of the most celebrated musicians ever, there are still people who would dismiss him as a plastic surgery addict (far from the truth), a pedophile (an outright lie) or simply another run of the mill pop musician.
Few people seem to understand just how intelligent, talented and revolutionary Michael actually was. It wasn't until after he died that people started to look at the big picture and realize how huge of an impact he actually made.
Not everyone will agree on something though. By your definition there are millions of underrated artists. Going further, any band or artist you like is actually underrated, since there will most likely be a healthy population that disses them.
Until he's universally recognized as the greatest musical entertainer of the 20th century, he's underrated. Because that's really the only title that matches how good he was, even "King of Pop" feels like too small a title for him to wear.
He's not the King of anything. He was one of the Fab Four, which is good enough a title to hold. But his solo career wasn't nearly as popular as the Beatles as a group was, even if Wings was pretty popular for a while. Not close to Michael's level, after a while Paul had to do songs with Michael to gain a wider audience.
Yeah, no. The only two that even come within his orbit are Elvis and Paul for the title of "Greatest Musical Entertainer of the 20th Century". Louis Armstrong has made many songs that were great and still remembered, but his albums didn't sell or have the same kind of universal appeal Michael's did. You wouldn't likely hear many young kids these days finding Armstrong's music that appealing, but there are still kids these days who like Michael Jackson despite never being born in the 21st century. His music had very universal appeal. Miles Davis is better suited for arguing for title of "Best Jazz Musician of the 20th Century" along with others like Mingus, Coltran, Hancock and the rest; jazz is a great genre but it doesn't have universal appeal, and only sometimes does it have danceability. Bob Dylan was a poor musician and an even worse singer; whether or not his lyrics were that profound is a matter of debate, but just due to the fact that his singing and music isn't very good is enough to disqualify him from the title instantly. Elvis comes close because of the huge influence he had on rock and roll and live performances, but I don't feel like his music really has that much staying power. I can't think of any single person I've met in their 20s or so that likes Elvis as a musician; but I know a ton who all claim to love MJ. Yes, MJ was more recent, but again, his music had universal appeal. You would see kids, teens, 20-40 year olds, grandparents even at an MJ concert or who would, even today, call themselves MJ fans. This is why Paul is the only real competitor for it, and I would say on the basis of Paul not having contributed as much to dance and music videos as Michael did (I know he did some films and music videos with the Beatles, but he didn't make as many or as imaginative videos as Michael), he's not really quite as his level. No insult to Paul, he's a great musician and has made some great albums over the years, Mike just surpasses him to me.
but the world's best electropop album isn't even 'underground mainstream'
honestly and truly the only person who comes close to him in my mind is Prince. He's 2nd in command.
just got this a week or two ago. I can't stop listening to it. My God it is amazing and the remaster is dimensional. I love the intros outtros. Its crazy to think how Paul Maccartney appeared on this album and Off The Wall.
>tfw that GOAT tracklisting
>First is Girlfriend
>then She's Out of My Life, she leaves him and he feels terrible
>I Can't Help It is a jazzy kind of groove, he meets a new girl and can't help but be drawn
>It's the Falling In Love is him realizing that he loves falling in love with the new girl is better than the whole break up with the previous girl
>Burn this Disco Down just pumps you up again and the album goes out with a bang
it's honestly hard to call which is better between Thriller and Off the Wall.
Elvis can't compare to either of them. He was a decent singer who performed old blues songs, and songs written by professional songwriters. He's no better a musician than all the people before and after him that recorded the same songs.
it really is hard to call. Especially because many people are sick of the hits on Thriller, with exceptions between Gotta Be Startin Somethin and PYT, whereas Off The Wall has a lot of songs you don't hear too much anymore, like the song Off The Wall which is up there in the top 5 greatest MJ songs.
It's true, it's understandable because it's the Biggest Selling Album of All Time™, but the radios have kind of played Thriller songs to the exclusion of a lot of MJs other discog. Bad and Dangerous have a ton of great songs too. HIStory and Blood on the Dance Floor are weaker, but they still have a few great tracks/remixes.
Yeah that's why he was constantly being played on radios decades, constantly. That's why all 50 of his This Is It stadium concerts in London sold out within hours of going on sale. That's why people instantly started forming vigils and singing Michael Jackson songs out loud in the streets, from memory the day he died. That's why Thriller 25 sold enormously when it dropped in 2008, just a year before he died. That's why he had on of the highest grossing concerts of all time for the two 30th Anniversary concerts in 2001 with tickets selling out within 5 hours, despite some of the tickets costing $5000.
People never forgot Michael. People will never forget Michael.
I was born in '91 and I remember singing Michael Jackson songs with my parents in the car years before he died. I'm actually really glad my parents got me into MJ, he's one of my top 5 musicians now.
when they did the autopsy, apparently most of his natural afro hair was balding and gone. he was a 50 year old man who had a wig attached to his hair most of the time.
Thriller and Off the Wall are his best albums, although Bad and Dangerous are good too. Best song is Man in the Mirror or Billie Jean.
History and Blood on the Dance Floor are significantly weaker. I couldn't pick a worst song, but basically every song besides "Rock My World" on Invincible just sucked. Also all his songs about God sucked.