I don't get vaporwave. If the genre is a paradoy or critique

>>48584524
>appreciated as art and not music
This makes no sense. Music is an artform.

>>48584524
ALSO: pic related was orignally Ecco jams vol. 1 but I couldn't use it because it was already posted and I forgot to fix my post. I don't like Floral Shoppe.

>>48584551
art as in like performance art as opposed to listening to it because you like how it sounds.

>>48584524
You can like a brand of music and not take it seriously you know.

Like vaporwave and lil b.

>>48584587
Well yeah but that's my question. So do most people who enjoy vaporwave like how it sounds but don't take the whole anti-consumerism thing seriously?

>>48584524
Originally it was a conceptual genre that was so thickly based in artistic appropriation and postmodern irony that it blended a few different ideas and as the sort of critique you were describing. It explored themes of commercialism and nostalgia.

Now, though, it's been latched onto by a bunch of tumblrfags who keep trying to play up the vaporwave aesthetic and they're keeping the genre alive long after it should have just died. It's really passe now.

Can we talk about how shit Floral Shoppe is? He literally just took really commerical radio music from the early 80s, slowed it down in FL Studio or a similar program, and then give it a cover with a bunch of trendy Tumblr imagery.

> If the genre is a paradoy or critique of consumerism

It's not, that's just what it erroneously says on Wikipedia because of a stupid article written by a guy who doesn't even listen to vaporwave

>>48584616
It wasn't conceptual to begin with. The conceptual part came after to rationalize it all. It came from internet nerds instinctive desire to create "new age fun with a vintage feel". This instinct drove people to make bad art and do obnoxious things and so they had to intellectualize it after the fact.

>>48584639
This is why I don't like Floral Shoppe. At least Eco Jams has interesting composition and the samples are enjoyable.

Floral Shoppe seems so lazy and the samples aren't even interesting.

>>48584616
>tumblrfags
this is generally who popularized the genre in the first place though
i don't know about james ferraro or OPN, but all the other artists are exactly that

>>48584670
I'm pretty sure the point was always that it was ironically bad. Vaporwave is cripplingly postmodern and ironic. It's kind of the point, even from the outset.

>>48584524
It's propaganda; you're supposed to hate it.

>>48584616
>It explored themes of commercialism and nostalgia
this is on the right track. we are living in a brand society. you remember some good parts of your life because of brands.

also, every decade has a zeitgeist. the 2000- 2010 is one of terror, cold steriel architecture, empty technology, commericial globalism, etc. so people grabbed stuff from beter times. first is was sincere, then people made it ironic. and people really don't care anymore.

macontoch plus is sincere i think. it's sounds to good to be ironic, the musician who made really like the sounds.

Its probably just 2deep4me, but I really don't get how vaporwave is supposed to be a critique of 21st century consumerism/corporatism.

>>48584639
fucking this, floral shoppe is so fucking shit and what made me hate vapidware.

>>48584848
it's the feel good sounds. it aims for the same feeling you get from buying stuff.

>>48584639
>tumblr imagery
But nowhere on the cover does it mention checking your white privilege and dismantling the patriarchy.

>>48584883
The album floral shoppe is shit, it's kinda part of the joke.

420 is legitimately a good track, on a pretty bad album

I like Weird Al parodies of original songs and like how those sound so

This thread is now vaporwave general.

Where do you see vaporwave going in the future? Is it dyeing? Is it dead? Has it been dead for years?

Can it break into the mainstream? If it can what aspects of it? The sampling? The sound? The artistic commentary?

>>48584894
I'd love to listen to Vapor-noise.
Basically, take an accessible pop song and turn it into an inaccessible harsh-noise track.

>>48584906
It's in Japanese. :P

>>48584894
Well that's simpler than what I was thinking. I was under the impression that it was something along the lines of capitalism/commercialism becoming such a huge force, that what is being analyzed as art (the vaporwave music in question) could simply be comprised of audio samples of commercial music. Some sort of 2deep4u commentary about how capitalism itself is now being analyzed as art. I don't know.

>>48584958
>:P

>>>/out/

>>48584972
From what I'm understanding it has no meaning and people are desperately trying to attatch meaning to it. Probably why no one can settle on a definition and it makes no sense.

>>48584945
Vaporwave isn't dead because now it's a cool, unique looking thing for people who want to look like hipsters to use. It should have died a little after Floral Shoppe came out.

>>48584987
>>:P
>>>/evil/

>>48584972
That's kinda the initial theme, but if you listen to some newer vaporwave (macross 82-99 etc) it kinda loses those themes and is more just bad 80s 90s chopped and screwed.

Which is an improvement if you ask me.

Vaporwave was originally conceived purely for its aesthetic as a relation to the work of James Ferraro, Daniel Lopatin, and Skeleton.
The accelerationist and social critique were later applied by one of its creators (Vektroid), but not in any particularly serious manner.
Copycats then adopted the aesthetic as well as the social critique in various capacities
What you are then left with is a fluid mix of people appreciating just the sound, just the aesthetic, just the politics, and any combination of the three. None of any option is better than any others, and all are valid appreciations of vaporwave.

>>48584950
That's essentially V/vm though

>>48584945
I could see bits of it breaking into the mainstream. Depends on your definition of mainstream. If you mean mainstream as in people other than /mu/ even know what it is then yeah. If you mean like actually popular and on the radio then probably not.

I could definitely see people manipulating its sound into something more popular. But if it stays in its current form it will just stay an obscure footnote in musical history.

>>48584615
there is no anti-consumerism. You are autistic.

honestly i go total pleb and just enjoy it without trying to attach a meaning to it or whatever. i just like the sound.
i think in general the groups are split. people who genuinely like it, people who like it for social purposes, analyzers, etc. all three are present in all music fan groups
i guess to accept and enjoy it as a critique would be like enjoying a good argument for something you oppose? you don't agree but you understand.
that or i just misunderstood everything you were getting at. just throwing in my two cents.

>>48585099
lol dude I was asking a question. People constantly talk about the anti consumerist aspect of vaporwave and it makes no sense to me. How does that make me autistic

>>48585051
This check out V/vm

Why is it whenever you faggots make a thread about vaporwave you only mention James Ferraro or Macintosh Plus? Seems like you shitpumps listened to a couple albums and became scholars of the genre overnight. Educate yourselves shitlord cis scum.

>>48585427
I clearly stated I don't know anyting about vaporwave. I've heard eccojams and floral shoppe. I liked eccojams but not floral shoppe. What should I listen to next?

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>>48585099
>There Is No Anti- Consumerism You Are Autisic

Why is it whenever you faggots make a thread about vaporwave you only mention James Ferraro or Macintosh Plus? Seems like you shitpumps listened to a couple albums and became scholars of the genre overnight. Educate yourselves shitlords.

>>48585442
http://espritfantasy.bandcamp.com/
http://bbrainz.bandcamp.com/
http://cybereality90.bandcamp.com/
http://miamivice.bandcamp.com/album/palm-haze

Here bro. I think most of it is free. More than enough albums to keep you entertained. Enjoy.

>>48585149
It's literally just situationist dada art except postmodern

if you understand that you understand why it's anti consumerist, and really, you're halfway to understanding vapourwave in it's entirety

the other half is having used to internet in the early 2000s and understanding the aesthetic

>>48585763
thanks

>>48584639
she*

>>48585763
Really liked miami vice

i think it is probably meant to be more than a little tongue in cheek. except for like that speed racer album lol

>>48587657
Yeah, that's one of my favorite vapor albums alongside Esprits- ?girls?only? EP.

>>48587828
About 2 tracks into girlsonly and I'm liking it so far, thanks a lot for the heads up anon

>>48584524
>If the genre is a paradoy or critique of consumerism

People these days are too stupid to realise when they're being mocked.

>>48584639
Except chopping and screwing done on Floral Shoppe is done very well, to the point where many of the songs become dissociative soundscapes.

>then give it a cover with a bunch of trendy Tumblr imagery.

Jesus fuck dude. You realize that shit became trendy BECAUSE of Floral Shoppe using it, right?

>>48587977
Also, fucking just realized the album was released on my birthday.

It was destined.

>>48584639
>He

edgy.

we got an outlier here quick lets reprogram to our liberal agenda sjw crew

JUST. ENJOY. THE. MUSIC.

>>48588105
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>>48587977
anytime babe ;)

>>48588105
What if you can't?

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Yeah I know that /mu/ is bots now.
This fucking proves it
Fuck all the shit music on this website

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Don't think of vaporwave as a parody or critique of anything because it's not.

Also I just want to say that the Wikipedia page is dumb and you shouldn't believe what it says about the meaning or message of vaporwave. I think people latch on to those beliefs because they want to justify their liking of the genre or try to explain it to someone and just say that, idk. People also call the genre ironic, which is not true most of the time. I guess you can believe what you want, it doesn't matter anyway.

>>48584906
>>48588052

>fedora tipping intensifies

vaporware is music for vain people that don't find it worth listening to something that isn't hip anymore.

Take Floral Shoppe, why not just listen to the original songs? Because it's not cool to listen to cheesy 80's music, they don't come with an artsy cover and aren't underground.

>>48588312
Go listen to music you do enjoy. This is pretty basic stuff.

>>48584799
>the musician who made really like the sounds.
Go away Chuchesta.

>>48584524
It's a bunch of over sampled 'music' teenagers enjoy to seem cool. Just a passing trend nothing more.

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is this vaporwave?
http://businesscasual87.bandcamp.com
or broporwave?

>>48591541
essential broporwave

>>48584524

I enjoy it in ironically and enjoy it as an affirmation of capitalism

>>48591575
Unironically******

>>48584524

I enjoy it Unironically ....as an affirmation of capitalism. It is also the last music genre to be created by man similar to how capitalism is the final political philosophy (see Fukuyama)

>>48584575
Its music that has many similarities to conceptual art.

Stop trying to pigeonhole things, it is useless.

Vaporwave is such a sham genre. There is literally no effort or talent involved in making this kind of music. You basically just take some shitty 80s r&b pop song and make it as slow as possible. The whole "it's a parody of consumerist america" is bullshit, it has such an aimless and nonsensical direction, using 80s music with 90s artwork, and the occasional le epic windows 95 sounds. It's no parody, it's dumb ironic hipster shit making sure to utilize the most trendy shit possible, and you faggots eat this all up.

The album artwork is random shit from the 90s, but the music is basically slowed down 80s r&b, this genr.

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>>48591611
But muh proletariat revolution

noise is a more pretentious genre than vaporwave

It's another one of those things, where "artists" make something that completely sucks, and then pull some "deep" bullshit about the art out of their asses.
If your art is any good, then you don't need to sit and constantly tell everyone what it means.
I can record my farts and the sound of me blending my shits, put a techno beat under it, and explain to everyone in great detail that it's about politics, because they won't be able to figure it out, because it's just farts and shit blenders and techno, and yet it'll be lauded as a work of high art. People have latched onto the idea that, just because you don't understand it, means it's good.
Countless artists have tackled the issues that vaporwave claims to be about, and have done so in far more tasteful ways, and have created works of true art. Slowing down Diana Ross and having Windows 95 album covers is not art.

>>48591367
wow, gj actually said something i agree with

>>48593755
>80s music with 90s artwork

yes, because it's made by millenial kids who have no idea what the fuck they're doing.

It's like 99% aesthetic wankery, 1% music.

>>48593755
>>48594846
this sums it up. i like opn vaporwave, and some of the less trendy stuff like digital natives, but everything else is just pointless bullshit

>>48591367
>>48594757
this. i really feel vaporwave is mostly about the "aesthetic" than about the music. i was sorely disappointed with floral shoppe

>>48585051
or stock, hausen, and walkman
or john oswald

depending on how much of a purist you are

The only good vaporwave was made in 2010 and 2011

Am I the only one who liked Floral Shoppe?

>>48595053
i did

Vaporwave artists mostly just rebrand the old music.
/mu/ says it's about "aesthetics", well, those people are kinda right, because the only thing this genre is trying to do is to convince you it has nostalgic feel, atmospheric sound and so on and sometimes it works.

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>vaporwave is pointless
>2deep
>trying too hard
>vaporwave isn't real enough
You guys hate it because you're afraid that vaporwave is more pretentious than you.

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>>48584524
>appreciated as art and not music
>appreciated as art and not music
What?

Its a novelty genre, the forerunners of the genre are all jumping ship now that the market for vapourwave is over-saturated with albums that sound similar to theirs.

>>48595588
hopefully they go back to making original music

they can still latch onto the aesthetic, but instead they should go for a pc music/bubblegum bass sound, taking the vaporwave aesthetic and combining it with jpop/trance/uk bass/trap/house to make this beautiful genre

>>48595551
It's making a statement, not a song.

>>48584639

I liked Floral Shoppe because of the synth melodies played in some of the tracks. Chill and mellow. They remind me a little bit of the melodies in The Man Machine.

But no, I don't really get the genre

>>48595615
In economic terms the entry price to the vapourwave market is very low, all you need is some semi-obscure 1980's RnB, audio editing software and not very much skill. And people will eat this shit up and share it with people who have similarly poor taste online. Getting out now allows INTERNET CLUB and Macintosh plus to retain their somewhat authentic vapourwave cred.

For an anti-capitalist vektroid sure does act like a rational agent.

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Is this album considered vaporware?

>>48584524
>art and not music
I think a better way to word it is it's meant to be appreciated as art and not entertainment. That said I don't really like vaporwave.

>>48595615
theres lots of vaporwave influenced trap/808 music

I personally enjoy it these days pretty unironically. The really slow chilled beats coupled with old synth sounds looped over create a really nice chilled vibe when done well (Internet Club, Chuck Person). I'm not a fan of the more funk based shit that has been churned out lately though.

>>48595867
yep that funk-whatever-it-is-called vaporwave follow up is giving me headaches with these stupid filters

>>48595867

Did you enjoy Floral Shoppe? And did you find any other artists that you like? I downloaded Ecco Jams vol 1 but I didn't like it that much.

I'm asking because you seem to have the same view on the genre as me.

>>48595862
i mean the pc music scene is original music, not just repurposed chopped and screwed

>>48595727
yeah, thats my main problem with it. the good vaporwave and the bad is just kinda mashed together. anyone with photoshop, obscure sample music, and fl studio can shit out a vaporwave release in half a day. theres no effort to it - which is why i love pc music. it may have come from vaporwave, but the music they make is original, catchy, and giddy, with lots of potential and a diehard fanbase

and i think pc music "gets" its own concept a lot better than vaporwave does

>>48595922
Could you explain to me what pc-music is? or what it is that differs it from vaporwave? i think i missed something...

>tfw one of your favourite jewtube music channels has latched on, and now he only posts vaporshit

If you're here, fuck you, Vision.

>>48595906
>>48595867
It's funny because I get headaches from Chuck Person and some other older stuff while sincerely enjoy more easy-minded and funky music.

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Is this count as vaporwave?

vaporwave critique parody capitalism aesthetics ironic post-consumer post-internet hypocritical vektroid eccojams originality Art Philosophy OH MY FUCKING GOD EVERYBODY SHUT UP FOREVER ABOUT THIS JESUS CHRIST

>>48595743
it's rather synthy hypnagogic pop closer to john maus, nite jewel, geneva jacuzzi etc. it's a thing of early 10s

>>48595979
pc music is a label that is run by a.g. cook, who is a cohort of producer sophie. the label's style of music is like a fusion of uber catchy, poppy, "cute" music like jpop and 80s pop, but with a bassy, post-pop edge to it. there's also elements of trance and house depending on the producer. usually its called bubblegum bass or post-pop

they use a vaporwave aesthetic in the sense that it has these super corporate imagery, with lots of pink that emphasizes the themes they use. its my new favourite genre

they have sites for every one of their releases. check out the sites/ the songs, here are some of my favourites

Dux Content - Like You
http://likeyou.pcmusic.info/

A.G. Cook - Keri Baby feat. Hannah Diamond
http://keribaby.pcmusic.info/

Hannah Diamond - Pink and Blue
http://pinkblue.pcmusic.info/

>>48596118
Thank you very much. Sounds interesting. Ill definitely check it out

>>48596162
check out the hannah diamond one first, it really sums up pc music well

>>48596084
The definition of "vaporwave" has been stretched out more than a 12 year old Brazilian prostitute's anus. So sure, why not.

>>48596118
>http://keribaby.pcmusic.info/
>some people still use auto-play on embedded SC links

Fucking niggers.

is this vaporwave general now

is there other shit that sounds like the cleaners? like stuff that has a hip hop vibe in that beats and production style yet is still noisy sounding.

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>>48584524
vaporwave sucks, i need to get rid of some of these tapes i never listen to

>>48596846
backtracker

>>48595862
Could you or someone give examples? That sounds interesting.

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>>48584575

>music must fit into my preconceived box

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>>48596846
yeah, i just threw away my old stack of garbage

>>48595545
said the most pretentious anon ITT

>>48597073
I mean I only bring it up because of how hypocritical the whole vaporwave ideology would be if it wasn't just performance art. With something like death grips, which really isn't that out there, the performance aspect makes sense and doesn't seem generally retarded as a whole. But DG is pretty in-boxy anyway.

>>48596846
>>48597148
um...i'll take those from y'all if you dont want them

If anyones actually serious about dumping that shit let me know lol.

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>>48596118
This is actually pretty fresh.
Im loving that playlist called "Top 40".
Maybe vaporwave still has some life left in it.

vaporwave is dynamic, you are obviously not. go listen to metallica or something

Vaporwave is all about nothing, so it's really hard to pin any kind of meaning when the genre (at least the canon) is not really cohesive at all. All of the greatest releases touch the subjects of nostalgia, post-modernism, materialism and I'd even say post-internet, where music becomes just a blend of all this ideas and turns into "vapour", just an accessory to instant gratification, no content at all. Artists then vary their approach: some use repetition and sample hits from the past while giving it an abrasive atmospheric feel, others choose a more futuristic approach where we can project our present, some just try to screw with the familiar and choose a "glitchy" aesthetic, less melodic and pleasant.

I'm fascinated with vaporwave and everything about its aesthetic and concept, it's so relevant in the 21st century. It's a shame that we have some great releases and lots of garbage underneath, it seems like either you understand what you're trying to achieve and produce a solid record or you ripoff the big names and do what they did but worse.

>>48585047
underrated post

>>48588505
um nope. there has been various shit other than wikipedia that proces that vaporwave is a critque of consumerism

>>48589532
>implying i didn't search for the samples used in Floral Shoppe and don't appreciate and listen to those songs now

>>48588124
>svg
giggled a bit

post-irony

How long do I have to wait until k-pop based vaporwave is a thing

>>48600454
hopefully forever

>>48600454
make it now

>>48600454
http://zoomlens.bandcamp.com/track/after-school-smoke-room-remix enjoy

>>48602701
You lied to me anon