/Classical/ /Art Music/

>>48455549
No Anon. You mean /classical/. Not /artmusic/.

I haven't been listening to Baroque composers for a while. How about you guys pick the Baroque composer I listen to?

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>>48455549
Lets start with some beautiful Corelli

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VDX8e9JxQc

Favorite Purcell pieces everyone?

>>48455600
I mean both. Add in 'art music' to keep the autists happy.
I think you should listen to... Scarlatti. mostly because I know fuck all about him and would be interested to see what you come back with

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Glorious Schütz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9BB4g03nnk

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currently listening to praetorius' organ music from "musae sioniae", on a glorious mean-tone tempered organ.

might continue with matthias weckmann, one of schütz' most important pupils, one that lets you approximate how glorious schütz' organ playing and music must've been.

>baroque edition

I wish this would keep CLT out.

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>>48455992
Definitely going to check this out

>>48456013
one can only hope

Some nice Telemann:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQpoAraumYQ

Händel is probably the my favorite Baroque composer

>>48456267
Favorite pieces?

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>inb4 plebs get angry over the term art music and shit up the thread
>inb4 CLT
Vivaldi, hack or genius?

>>48456267
His Concerto Grossi are especially amazing.
(listening to Scarlatti's Concerto Grossi right now

the art of adolf busch - volume 1
https://mega.co.nz/#!LR82lQxR!gws7CNZZ268K3d0lGXHzGTLOXFQ9JLPW4vkQMZ7HXK0

because someone asked for a good remaster of the busch quartet's late beethoven: this set contains all of the late quartets, sans no. 13 in b-flat (which i could supply from other issues), as well as nos. 1 and 9. also included are schubert's 14th and 15th quartets, brahms' first two quartets, as well as his piano quintet, his piano quartets and the clarinet quintet. the sound has the typical limitations of the 30s and 40s, but the excellent mastering preserves the crucial overtones by not filtering out the surface noise - the detail and timbre of the playing is thus preserved. the performances are superlative, flexible and devoted to the smallest details, and the unique style of the busch quartet - even the timbre of their heavily bowed gut strings is immediately recognizable - is timeless.

frankly, if i had to pick a single collection of chamber music for a lonely island, it'd be this collection.

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>>48456391
whoops forgot the cover

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>>48456317
Genius red priest who was largely forgotten after the baroque period, and only rediscovered in the 20thC

>>48456317
I hate those idiots.
Vivaldi is fantastic.

>>48456391
if you're looking for a single performance to start with, go for beethoven's ninth quartet - it's a virtuoso performance (with no cuts or edits of any kind, literally live), yet the virtuosity of the ensemble is always in service of explicating the music's content.

i've never heard the fugue-rondo-finale sound more exiting.

>>48456317
if he was good enough for j.s. bach he is good enough for you

Baroque is only good in small doses

>>48456391
Decent! Does it have vinyl pops though? not really a problem, but kind of throws me off. I think I have the CD with Brahms piano and clarinet quintets.

>>48456317
Pretty good. Paganini is better though.

>>48456499
j.s. bach didn't have schoenberg or carter though

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Reminder that this is the best Art of Fugue and that poly-style has shit opinions.

>>48456632
Thanks ame

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>>48456647
:^)

>>48456632
that's not the best art of fugue though

>>48456667
Or maybe you're CLT. whatever. same thing.

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Some intense Purcell:

Music for the funeral of Queen Mary, which was played at Purcell's funeral:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9GrmokeHPY

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>>48456632
>Art of Fugue
>on piano

Honestly I never understand using a modern instrument for a baroque piece of music.
>Inb4 Bach helped work on the piano
Harpsichord, Clavichord, Organ, orchestra or nothing.

>>48456632
not even the best art of fugue on piano

>>48456391
goatest violinist that ever was goat btw

also listen to that gielen 9th i talked to you about, you're gonna like it

fun fact: gielen apparently used to have a survivor from warsaw as either the intro or the segway from movement 3 to 4 in beethoven's 9th. what a conductor. what a human beingé

>>48456555
doesn't have pops or excessive noise, it's a really great master.

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>>48456954
Amazing, thanks for the upload

I love how classical threads often devolve into which version of art of fugue is superior.

>>48456391
That would be me, thank you very much : )

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>>48456809
>gets btfo everytime you complain about this
>insists on posting it

>>48457428
i'll also upload the quartets that weren't issued by emi, nos. 7 and 13.

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Händel Trio Sonata:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP8BDg9lNzU

>>48456391
the music parlours transfers arent bad at all also, for ones that reduce noise

>>48456953
busch was a better ensemble violinist, but individually i like szigeti or huberman more for violinists from the same "generation"

>>48457496
I maintain that Musica Antiqua is the definitive art of fugue. That's always been my position, and so far no other version has come close.

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beethoven - string quartets nos. 7 & 13 (busch quartet
https://mega.co.nz/#!zUEx1JBL!eyBO6dc2dVImeVHylcfUT3U-F4dDi-7OfZn4FRuM3OY

the remaster of this issue doesn't rise up to the level of the japanese emi stuff i uploaded, but it's still serviceable, i could also offer another, private transfer of no. 13

>>48457572
maybe i need to hear more szigeti, i'm more used to his later, kinda sloppy recordings.

>>48455600
listen to Charpentier

>>48457572
Francescatti is good too, especially in chamber music

>>48455739
Listened to Scarlatti's Concerti Grossi (or whatever the plural is. Never figured that out). Good pieces, but surpassed by Handel's. Might move onto his Cello Sonatas now.

and huberman well, i've only really heard him in the beethoven and tchaik vc. don't like either works

>>48457729
I'm having trouble finding Scarlatti that I like...
Let me know if you come across any gems

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>>48457811
The stuff I had heard from him that I loved were his keyboard sonatas. Schiff has a great recording of them.
Also, this 1st Cello Sonata is a fun piece I quite enjoy.

>>48457701
>Francescatti
Francescatti is great too. i just didn't include him because i consider the other guys more of an older generation of violinists

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>>48457911
>yfw the music on the "Originals" logo spells "D-E-C-C-A"

What's a good recording of L'Orfeo?

>>48457811
start with hantai's albums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VtBBM0YBN4

>>48457603
What is with the 'private transfer' of no. 13? I mean, how does it sound in comparisson? Is it another group performing or just another issue and the same quartet playing?

>>48458042
same performance, but taken from LPs.

>>48458008
I am also interested in this.

>>48457911
Thanks, I was aware of his keyboard sonatas, but will check out more.

Anna Bonn:
underrated female composer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkXaPJeI5VE

>>48458021
This is great!

>>48458008
Haim/Le Concert d'Astree
Garrido/Ensemble Elyma
Jacobs/Concerto Vocale

>>48455892
>Schütz
>organ
Elaborate. Though I guess if he was Gabrieli's pupil he must have at least dabbled with it.

>>48455686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ikKShu0uYM

Why is he so good with ground basses?

>>48458090
if you think its superior, i won't mind having it.

Yo. I'm trying to identify a piece I heard on the radio a while ago. I only remember a short bit but I know I've heard it before somewhere. Would a kind soul be able to point me in the right direction?

I employed my shitty whistling skills to get down what I remember:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s02HwiJ2PkRU

>>48458221
Yeah the keyboard sonatas were always Scarlatti's crown jewel IIRC.
>>48458449
Brahms Violin Concerto.
Here's a stellar recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBXBUjaC8xk

>>48458474
Is it just me or does the recording get worse every time you hear it?

>>48458474
Thanks a ton! That recording, though... beautiful.

>>48458474
>crown jewel
>he wrote 555 of them
it's literally basically the only reason why he's held up to the level of the other 1685 guys

>some people actually really 100% think that the serioso quartet isn't the best beethoven wrote
SOME PEOPLE, I FUCKING SWEAR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhstAEaWBl4

How bad is it that I overheard the first 30 seconds of this in a Simpsons episode and thought this was an overture from a Mozart opera?

>>48456735
Yes Poly we have all seen Clockwork Orange. Nobody is impressed.

>>48458021
>Hentai's albums

>>48458828
I... didn't even realize it was in clockwork orange.
I'm not here to impress people, so I guess everybody wins.

>>48458729
I think I prefer Quartets 4 and 10 (and of course 15)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1jEYFNhlx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejL43BmxL20

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>>48456632
You don't know shit.

>>48458756
Strictly speaking, aesthetically Mendelssohn was probably even closer to Mozart than Beethoven so perfectly understandable. At least you attributed it specifically to opera which was a medium Mozart wrote in a more proto-romantic style than his symphonies and chamber works.

>>48458998
Oh, good to hear. I consider myself pretty familiar with classical music and knew Mendelssohn was largely inspired by Mozart directly. It didn't seem too overtly romantic from just that first listen. Somehow I knew the piece was probably too interesting to be Mozart. Oh well.

Some beautiful Scarlatti sonatas on Harp:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brvlUVIVyis

>>48459390
Gorgeous!
BTW you should check out his Cello Sonatas. I liked them a lot more than his Concerto Grossi. Fun pieces to listen to.

>>48459435
Will do. I take it they are unaccompanied? fuck this romantic idea that a sonata must be accompanied by piano.

>>48459454
Actually, nope. It's accompanied by a chamber orchestra from what I could tell.

>>48455549
chillin' with Biber and Locke while ripping Bach cantatas

How are you this afternoon/morning, /classical/?

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>>48459564
pic related

this is actually the recording that got me into Biber in the first place. After hearing that arietta variata I immediately bought the MAK Harmonia Artificiosa. best decision ever

>>48459564
4:58 pm here. overdue for 4:20. time to travel back in time 38 minutes then probably play some SH3.
I've enjoyed listening to mostly Baroque today, with the odd Beethoven quartet thrown in.

What Locke pieces would you recommend?

>>48459138
>too interesting to be Mozart

Words cannot express

Captcha: ignorance nciffain

>>48459564
Still negative on life but I'm making do I suppose. Friend (pretty much the only patrician one) shared a neat string quartet on Facebook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-izg3Jb7WuM

>>48459602
not too versed on his shit. The music for The Tempest is ai'ight, but not a masterpiece. The Broken consort anon posted a while back was cool from the excerpts I've heard

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Bertali, kind of lesser known:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8p9rolham8

also +1 titclassical cover for the collection

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>>48459774
damn we need to get a chart started

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>>48459838
YES!

A rec chart that has almost nothing to to with the music... pure /mu/

>>48456632
Can I have a download link for this please?

Also, /r/equesting Schubert's lieds, particularly Death and the Maiden and/or Die schöne Müllerin

>>48459892
lrn2google

http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1929216

>>48459892
There are none regrettably. You have to order the CD.
Unless you mean a FREE download...

If you're going to want people to search the music for you, at least be buying it.

>>48459871
damn that's that dead jew conducting
didn't know he was into tits
rip

>>48458828
Clockwork Orange or not, I still think it's a great song

>>48459596
Got a link m8?

anything like the planets suites?

>>48460552
http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1355096
cd 8 iirc

>>48460707
Yeah, just found it. It's probably a horrible remaster. Thanks anyway.

>>48460742
it's just a rerelease m8

Recs for your favorite recording of Stavinsky's rites of spring. Extra props if it's on record. Literally my favorite piece.

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Any better recorded Scriabin than Sofronitsky as far as Piano Sonatas and Etudes?

Also, what do you guy's think best Pictures at an Exhibition is? I have Richter's 1958 live recording on Great Pianists, is there something better?

>>48460692
Mahler and Bruckner?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvfh_mjPLlQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiVpGZltx9o

Hey /classical/,

Complete /classical/ pleb here, but I'm really enthusiastic about learning more. Is there like a /classical/ essential chart anywhere or any personal recommendations anyone can give me? I have really dug the whole minimalism thing e.g. Phillip Glass and Steve Reich for awhile, but have only recently started to look into the old masters like Beethoven and have been surprisingly blown away. Symphony No. 3 in E flat major gave me actual goosebumps. BUT unlike a lot of contemporary classical artists, I've noticed it's a little more difficult to find anything resembling a conventional album when it comes to people like Beethoven and Mozart. Honestly, I've only ever had luck finding stuff like "Best of Beethoven".

Which recordings should I look into?!?! ty bbs.

handel's organ concertos are amazing, haven't listened to them in a long time though
>>48461366
what is your problem with sofronitsky?

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>>48461452
There is the CLT chart, and a few others, plus the pastebin in the OP

>>48461509
thx bub, I'll look through it 4 sure.

>>48461452
Here's some mega links.
https://mega.co.nz/#!1V8TSDwL!e5er4zSSyB3kPArCUM02-1KXzlyOkfgfJl6XE9w5orY
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w

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>>48461449
>Celibidache

>>48461350
markevitch (many), fricsay/RIAS, steinberg/BSO, rosbaud/SWR, monteux/BSO, and more i cant remember.

>>48461637
Wow, that's a ton of shit. Thanks so much man, I really appreciate it.

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>>48461452

>>48461656
>Wes Anderson

>>48461366
better? nope. just a lot of alternatives which are not the same.

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>>48461676
>steinberg
lyl that name.
Not that anon who asked but which Markevitch recording would you recommended? I've only listened to pic and Boulez.

>>48461680
Joke's on you, Wes Anderson sucks

>>48461717
trust the piano exppert

>>48461366
also for the pictures at an exhibition, no there isn't any better pictures of an exhibition, just different ones. try horowitz's own adaption, maria yudina, moiseiwitsch, kapell, all of which you can sample on youtube

if you're looking for a better recording in better sound, i recommend weissenberg in salzburg or petrov.

>>48461350
Chailly/Cleveland

>>48461747
try this. http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4271107

or

http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4603964

there are also other recordings, more primal but in worse sound

>>48456735

Some of Purcell's greatest. I had thought that "Remember not Lord our Offenses" and "Hear my Prayer O Lord" (which are Purcell's two best anthems) were included, but was mistaken.

But the funeral music as a whole is just stunning.

>>48455892

Schutz is the bomb. His Symphoniae Sacrae are great

>>48456317

Pretty based. I've got The Academy of Ancient Music and Andrew Manze's CD entitled "Concert for the Prince of Poland". In 1740, Frederick Christian, Prince Elector of Saxony, visited Venice and the pieces on the CD were performed as a concert for him. The CD itself is a wonderful recording of Vivaldi, but the historical context makes it more interesting too.

>>48461366

>implying there is anything better than the Sofia recital

Away with ye

>>48461449

>Celi Bruckner

Are you wanting him to die of old age whilst listening?

>>48461933
I'll go with the first one on the grounds taht Testament is the GOAT label.
Thanks.

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How can I improve this?
https://audioboo.fm/boos/2339182-classical-excerpts
It's PARTS OF 'the enigma variations'. Bits are chopped short, original is 25 minutes but that site only allows 10 minutes so plz ignore discontinuities/short gaps and jumps occasionally. Thanks a lot /mu/

>>48462154

Improve it how?

>>48461366
Try Vosekrenskys interpretation of his sonatas, I've never heard a more god like rendition of his 4th.

It's on Rutracker

>>48462226
Precisely the question, dear watson. :D

Well, any way you see fit.. What's wrong with it shall we say...

>>48462281

Just get a better recording of the Enigma variations.

>>48455549
Glass's Concerto Fantasy for Two Timpanists and Orchestra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnw0IHgjE2E

i fucking love timpani

>>48461366
What recording r u talking about?

>>48462297
No... I mean improve this actual piece. Just gimme some hate/criticism on it, not recommend me some other shit, lol. Thanks for listening at least BTW dude.

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There has never been a good female conductor or composer.
Prove me wrong.

>>48462401
Leonard Bernstein was good at composing as at conducting.

>>48462401
Well now that you mention it, I never heard of one either. Though Nanerl Mozart was probably under-rated... :)

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>>48461350
>>48461747
>>48461933
>>48461676

Doesn't /mu/ like the G?

>>48462401
>tfw I can't prove you wrong

>>48462401

Fanny Mendelssohn wrote some ok stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti1eZ2B63Ro

>>48462401
Unsuk Chin is great.

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>>48462358
Anyone?

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>>48461350
I like this, at least partly for the nice analog sound.

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>>48462401
Anna Bonn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkXaPJeI5VE
Julia Wolfe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5CRr6S1ojI
Lera Auerbach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rjf9USjtaM
Galina Ustvolskaya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90gYt43IljA
Eve de Castro-Robinson
https://vimeo.com/68986729
Kaija Saariaho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPnNZydMYEI
Not to mention Hildegard, Clara Schumann, the Boulangers, Delia Derbyshire, Caccini, and countless others lost in time/obscurity.

>>48462154
C'mon classical /mu/
( ? )
No-one got anything?

>>48463145

What do you want? It doesn't sound like anything much, just some really low quality brass and wind stuff

>>48463392
It's actually synthesized entirely, by me.
I'm just trying to see how to improve the sounds, and sound design. And I didn't originally mention this, because obviously half of you are pretentious fuckwits (Half aren't) who would be like "Oh - I knew it wasn't real instruments", so judge it differently and not give me the feedback I'm looking for, (how to make it sound more realistic and better) just wanker judgements and opinions, rather than critical listening.

Thanks for replying at least, Anon.

>>48463444

Well I can't hear much in the way of string timbres coming through there. It just sounds pretty muddy. I know very little about what you can do with synthesizers, but if you're aiming to make it sound more "natural", you could try to improve the clarity

>>48463444
If you want high quality orchestral sounds you have 2 options:
Record a real orchestra with good mics/preamps/mixers and a recording engineer on site.
OR
Buy high quality samples from a company like East West, VSL, Spitfire Audio etc. Then write with them carefully in a DAW. Note this will never sound exactly like a real orchestra, and has severe limitations, but can do passable work for TV or Film, and serves good for mock-ups.

>>48463477
Thanks Anon. Appreciate it. I've only tried to do brass and winds actually, strings are even harder (for me currently) to synthesize. I'm also not very familiar with classical music in general which doesn't help but sound design and synthesis is a passion and joy of mine.

Yeah, I guess the worst part is the bass, low end and mids. I could do a much more realistic job with expensive sample library based on recordings of real instruments, but that's not the exercise. And there's also lots of FX and production techniques I could use too, to 'cheat' but my goal is recreating convincing realistic orchestral stuff purely with synthesis. (A lofty goal if I've ever made one!)

A 'turing test' of sound design, if you will. So you can see why I didn't just mention this in the first place I'm sure.

Thanks again.

>>48463444
refer to https://rbt.asia/mu/thread/S48426364#p48440024

>>48463490
Thanks very much, but I'm aware of this, and have Project Sam stuff and other high quality kontakt libraries. Totally NOT the point, at all. Cheers for replying tho.

>>48463578
"We don't owe you shit."
Fair enough. I thought amongst people who listen to intelligent music, I might find some people actually interested in this kind of thing on here. I still belive there is, but you're obviously in the first half.

The synth used here in case anyone is interested BTW, is Sytrus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Jr0BI_bIg

>>48462401
>saariaho

>>48458474
is it me or can this orchestra not play

>>48464633

It's a joke link. It's a truly horrendous rendition of the concerto

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>tfw no qt3.14 g.f. Handel to cuddle with while listening to Water Music

Just leaving this Handel piece here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuSiuMuBLhM

>>48462531
Do you even Mitsuko Uchida CLT?

>>48465715
>conductor or composer

>>48465715
>Mitsuko Uchida
>conductor
>composer

>>48462401
Wendy Carlos

>>48462401
Conductor: Marin Alsop.

Composer: ...for some reason I'm blanking.

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>tfw thirteenth variation in BWV 852
>tfw best Bach organ interpreter next to Alain

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>>48466114
*582

>>48462401
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQQnmqc4Fus

recently played the passacaglia for unaccompanied violin from biber's rosary sonatas
amazing early multiple stops work and ideas so prevalent in later music
underrated/10

>>48456317
The Four Seasons is one of the greatest things I've ever heard in my life and I don't understand why anyone would hate Vivaldi. Can someone please give me an actual valid reason to hate Vivaldi?

>>48465775
>>48465916
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM8CFR01KwQ

>>48466441

Boring. I agree the 4 seasons is great but his Concerto for Two Trumpets is not and I hear that shit all the time on the radio smh

>>48466455
Concerto for Two Trumpets is hype shit m8.

>>48466441
Novelty of his melodically driven music soon wears off after the nth pressing. A lack of coherence in the concerti due to the contraction of the progressive contraction of the riternello and lengthening of the episodes. Rather impulsive treatment of the thematic material, marked by an arbitrary selection of motives to develop and modification of the riternello without cause. Very lightweight slow movements. Lack of balance between soloist and orchestra in the solo concerti. Rather unremarkable output of sonatas. Sacred music of questionable merit when compared with his contemporaries. And bad borrowing practices where he took music from others essentially unmodified (unlike Handel). In short, it's the personality of the music instead of the refinement of their construction which captures the audience, not that it's a bad thing, but it's not a diet you can live solely on.

Alright, who just posted le ebin firetruck maymay on a /v/ thread?

>>48466447
doesn't make her an actual conductor.

>>48467379

Nevermind, it was CLT

>>48467473
Which vile /v/ game does he shit up?
I never go there...

>>48467533

It was a thread about the best soundtrack in a Western Game. The OP included a picture of Beethoven.

Two anons posted about how Holst and Shostakovich were so much better than Beethoven, which was pretty funny

>>48467379
>>48467557
haha oh wow is it dead? I want to see.

>>48462401
ruth crawford seeger...

>>48467774

>>>/v/254351702

>>48467799
So, just another reason to never go to /v/?

>>48467807

Pretty much

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>you share a website with people like this

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>>48468133

These ones too

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>>48468133
>>48468420
yfw I posted those. was aiming for maximum b8 ;)

I'm on a funeral march binge, weird as it sounds, give me some funeral marches, I've heard the one in Eroica (of course), the one in Beethoven's 12th sonata, the ones in Mahler's 1st and 5th symphonies, the b-minor chopin one, siegfrieds funeral march and the one from some romantic trombone concerto. Also, has anyone here tried writing a funeral march? Maybe got any tips?

>>48468489
Best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJi_rb9D8I4

I've never tried to write one... interesting. Now that I realize I've never written one, I'm going to have to have a try.

>>48468467
fucking hell I had a feeling when I saw the filename.

>>48468489

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funeral_march

I'm going to recommend the Diabelli funeral march for M. Haydn, the Grieg funeral march, the Dead March from Saul (Handel), the Kodaly funeral march in Hary Janos, that Purcell funeral march from the Queen Mary funeral music and the 2nd movement of the Brahms Requiem

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also
>mfw somebody posted the "Mozart is shit" copypasta in that thread

>>48468623
hopefully heckled some jimmies
>HE SAID CAGE WAS BETTER THAN MOZART
needless to say the meaningless words "avant teen" were thrown around soon after.

so funny

>>48468133
>you fall for bait this easily
you have been browsing for what, 4, 5 months and still haven't learnt?

>>48468701
More than that (didn't trip then), but I'm just too trusting of people in general.

Jon Cage is shit. His autistic use of silence is generic and repetitive as fuck; all of his pieces are boring and silent, mostly in silent keys devoid of sound; and his music

>>48468721
oh, so you probably haven't noticed that /classical/ posters falseflag posts lauding modern music/trashing traditional music to create a marginalized hivemind and make sheep like you spout idiotic words like "avant-teens"
word of advice

>>48468770
Hell I dunno man, I just come here to discuss classical music.

>>48468799
so it bothers you when someone spouts the "firetruck" word but not "avant-teen"? sounds quite hypocritical
but ok, you'll learn eventually

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daily reminder

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>>48468770
>/classical/ posters falseflag posts lauding modern music/trashing traditional music to create a marginalized hivemind
This is what conspiracy theorists actually believe.

>>48469997
>making epic maymays based around tripfags
Stop. That's encouraging their shit.

Dvo?ák's String Quartet no. 12 on WCRB right now
http://audio.wgbh.org:8004/

Der Rosenkavalier on at the moment. I know opera without visuals is a bit lacking, but you might as well enjoy some Strauss

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_three

>>48469997
/classical/ overrates mozart so much that nobody even considers haydn, sammartini and salieri anymore despite them being superior composers

>/classical/ play the victimised elite but in reality are the impotent privileged, failing to manipulate the manpower available
You know it to be true. If the tripfags used even half their talent for shitpostery towards community OC this would be one of the best boards on 4chan. Think how much posturing their memes cause around here. Classical is now the biggest "patrician" community instead of obscure rock music. People are scared to love the "firetruck" romantics and glorify the classical period instead. /bleep/ has so much shitposting and now people can write off entire genres as >muhtimbres. The list goes on.

CLT complains all arguments boil down to >muhfeels but doesn't try to change it. /mu/ could have a wikia. It could be like soundcloud comments on waveforms except annotations to classical and DAW notation instead. They could include hyperlinks to Wikipedia and Grove where CLT copypastes all his arguments from. Instead of complaining because not everyone has the same liberal arts degree as him he should bring his knowledge to the contexts of the board. This way people would be talking about the same specific parts of songs instead of >muhharmony>muhfeels>muhadhominem thinking they're talking about the same thing.

>>48470353
>them being superior composers
Mozart confirmed for underrated.

>>48470353

I still rate Haydn very highly. I've been meaning to listen to some more Salieri, I think I heard one opera and wasn't overawed by it. More of a Gluck fan for classical opera, which I suppose is something we owe Sammartini for (in a way) since he taught Gluck.

Never actually seen Sammartini mentioned in a /classical/ thread before though, so I don't think it's a case of no longer discussing him, just that he's never been discussed

>>48470353

>superior

lqel

Why Bach, When Handel?
Why Mozart, When Sammartini?
Why Beethoven, When Schubert?
Why Chopin, When John Field?

>>48471312

Why not both

>>48471312
>Why Bach, When Handel?
see>>48471366
>Why Mozart, When Sammartini?
Are you joking?
>Why Beethoven, When Schubert?
see >>48471366
>Why Chopin, When John Field?
Because Chopin's melodies and harmonies are more intricate.

>>48471312
Why Handel when Rameau?

>>48470450
#rekt

Who's the dopest nigga at playing Mozart on a fortepiano? I want to see how it sounds. Or is it not worthwhile?

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>>48462401
That was Easy

>>48469332
Fuck off ame

>>48472593
Hildy is my waifu.

>>48466011
...im not going to argue this

>>48466011
>female

>Koroliov will perform the entire Art of Fugue live in Berlin on December 9th
damn I wish I could attend

>>48474014

I'm going to be faffing about on the continent in December. I know a qt who's living in Berlin, so I might have to see if I can attend and crash at her place.

I could go to the Goldberg Variations concert in 2015, which is a bit closer to where I'm going to be.

>>48474267
bootleg Contrapunctus XI pls

I'm really curious though as to how his interpretation has changed after 24 years.

To all the faggots who hate Piano Concertos post-Classical era:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS7d8fI9hPw

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>>48474267

Interesting hall layout

https://rateyourmusic.com/board_message?message_id=5368150

top kek

>>48474811

>It's boring. Unless it is Burnout Paradise OST classical music selection

I was curious as to what this entailed, so I had a look.

>Air on a G String
>'Minuet' (?) - Boccherini
>Eine kleine Nachtmusik - 2nd Movement
>Flower Duet from Lakmé
>Ave Maria (Meditation) - Gounod
>Nutcracker Ballet Suite: Dance of the Mirlitons
>Carnival of the Animals - The Aquarium
>Horn Concerto No. 4 - Mozart
>Sleeping Beauty Ballet Suite - Waltz
>Hebrew Slaves Nabucco
>Symphony No. 9 - Dvorak
>Clair de lune
>Moonlight Sonata - 1st Movement
>Piano Concerto No. 21 - Mozart
>Water Music Suite No. 1 - Air
>Carnival of the Animals - The Swan
>Habanera Carmen
>Horn Concerto No. 3 - 3rd Movement
>Triumphal March from Aida
>Water Music - Suite No.2 In D Major
>The Four Seasons, Spring - 1st Movement
>Hungarian-Dances No. 5

>>48474811

>
3. There's not much social incentive. Being a music nerd has strong ties to establishing and expressing identity. Because of the lack of distinguishable history and cultural markers, there aren't many statements one can make by gravitating towards classical music and certain classical artists, and there's very little potential to branch off into groups (Beatlemaniacs, Metalheads, hip-hop heads, etc.) and communities such as this one.

>>48474811

>honestly, the dynamics are something of a hurdle for me. You know, you have to crank it up to even hear the quieter parts and then the loud parts are too loud. (Music Criticism.)

hahahahahahahahahah

>>48474811

>the majority of classical music has no rhythm. you can't ever dance to it! so me, who loves dance music the most probably (more dance pop than edm but anyways), i'm a little stranded when it comes to classical music.

This topic is the gift that keeps on giving

>>48475169

heh

> I think I have a really really bad association with classical because I was raised in an extremely formal, rigid, tense, emotionless home growing up. Classical music comes across to me as mirroring a lot of these characteristics. Stuffy, rigid, formal.
>I've spent my life ever since I was a teenager enjoying the escape from all of that.

>>48475369
Jesus of fucking Christland.

>>48475724

It gets better

>i dislike the lack of repetition of phrases in most classical music. i like having a theme to return to sometimes. so i like a lot of minimalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upNuCeu3nes

Given that this is my favourite Piano Trio, I am thinking I need to listen to more Piano trios. Give me more piano trios guys!

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Rate his symphonies from most based to least based

>>48475875

Go and listen to Schubert's Piano Trio No. 2 in E-flat right now. One of the best ever written.

I've been enjoying Saint-Saens' Piano Trio No. 2 as well recently, so that's probably another one to listen to.

Then Brahms Piano Trio No. 3 in C Minor, and Mendelssohn's Trios No. 1 +2 (then see if you can spot the link between Brahms' 3rd trio and Mendelssohn's 2nd)

>>48475766
top ueu

Reminder that >we hate the harpsichord.

>>48469997
I wonder what will happen when CLT finally realizes he is a simpleton. Suicide? Violent Rampage? Sexual Dysphoria? Maybe a combination. Personally I would put even money on him shooting up his local Philharmonic in a red slip and high tops.

>>48475766
I couldn't read last the second page. Visiting RYM makes me appreciate /mu/.

>>48475875
https://mega.co.nz/#F!rIpCAaQZ!aTvW9RkCGE80x-Q5TBQfgg

>>48475936
4 3 2 5 6 1

>>48476155
>4 3
Since when? And why?

>>48476003
I am noticing a familiar motiff in the first movement. Are you sure Schumann has not used this motiff as well?

Well Der Rosenkavalier has finished. Glyndebourne were sounding in good voice, although just listening to opera (unless you know the particular opera very well) isn't really that fulfilling.

Tomorrow's Prom is bretty good.

Gnosis - Tavener (World Premier)
Violin Concerto No. 2 - Bartók
Symphony No. 10 in E Minor - Shostakovich

The Prom will be performed by the BBC Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Ji?í B?lohláve. The Bartok concerto will be played by soloist Isabelle Faust

Leaving aside the obvious >Shostakovich, this is going to be a great concert. Sir John Tavener, who died earlier this year, is a mystic/sacred minimalist in the same sort of vein as Arvo Part, who is well-appreciated in /classical/. Along with Gorecki, these three made up the triumvirate of sacred minimalism, and the premiere of a Tavener piece (unfortunately posthumously) should be very enjoyable.

The Bartok concerto should be great too; Faust has been a fantastic interpreter of Bartok's violin oeuvre, so the chance to hear her play will be wonderful.

>>48476252
In which? The Brahms or the Mendy?

>>48476252

In which trio?

>>48476363
The Mendelssohn. I've definitely heard that theme in the fist movement before and I think probably in a Schumann piece. Unfortunately I put it on while doing other stuff. It was in a classical thread and I was busy playing a board game which was timed.

>>48476210
A couple weeks ago. It had always been a close call.

>>48476467

Which Mendelssohn trio, 1 or 2? It's possible that there is something in common, but the link I was talking about was between Mendelssohn and Brahms

>>48476629

Although Schumann was purportedly a big Mendelssohn fan (and a fan of the first trio in particular, after Mendelssohn revised it to be "more Schumannesque")

>>48476701
I meant the second one. I am looking into this now.

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Just listened to the 3rd quartet. When does it start getting real good?

>>48476898
When you get to the qwintet ;^D

>>48476739
Actually Poly can you help me out here? I think you may have provided the link.

>>48470393
upvote

>>48472471
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDoRYw6uKQc

I like Ronald Brautigam.

>>48476941
I love the quintet, but the first three quartets wasn't particularly special.

>>48470393
I think you are vastly overestimating CLT's abilities.

>>48476330
>just listening to opera (unless you know the particular opera very well) isn't really that fulfilling
(not true, by the way)

>Arvo Part, who is well-appreciated in /classical/
(not true, by the way)

>>48477203
>(not true, by the way)
(not true, by the way)

>>48477203
Put the trip back on CLT

>>48476898
~12 or so

>>48477241
>implying that's my catchphrase

>>48472471
andreas staier

>>48477143
Also the Trout Quintet is boring and highly overrated. Its basically an overly elaborate version of the lieder with some other padded movements. Death and the Maiden is a great work though.

>>48477203

I have no problem listening to an opera, I'm not going to shy away from listening to radio broadcasts of them, but to claim that taking out the visual element of an artform which relies on both visual and aural elements does not affect the experience is being contrarian.

And on the Part note: go to the archive and search 'arvo'. The overwhelming majority of posts (on /mu/, not just /classical/) are extremely positive towards Part.

>>48477296

Turn the trip off CLT

>>48477203
EH? I learned of Arvo Part from /mu/....

>>48477113
I don't care that period instruments are uncool. The unexpected sound difference from a regular Steinway is neat.

>>48477143
Probably because Schubert composed them in his teens.

>>48472471
>>48477113
>>48477302
+ Alexei Lubimov

>>48477321
>Its basically an overly elaborate version of the lieder [sic]
>only one of the four movements derives thematic material from the song

I'm not even defending the piece but get it together.

>>48477490
Okay Chris...

Which is the most Classical (era) piece from Stravinsky's neo-classical period or even neo-classicism in general?

>>48477321
>boring and highly overrated
chuckled

>>48477490
>I'm not even defending the piece
You should though, it's great

>>48477338
>to claim that taking out the visual element of an artform which relies on both visual and aural elements does not affect the experience is being contrarian

I'm claiming that opera recordings can still be fulfilling even if they aren't accompanied by a staging. If someone insists on DVD/Blu-Ray when they want to hear an opera then they're cutting themselves off from decades of excellent singing.

>>48466100
>I'm always shocked when Marin Alsop is part of a good performance. Her years at the head of my local symphony were painful. She's everything you want in a conductor—except when she's on the podium. I still shudder at the thought of her bizarre tempi in the First Mahler symphony. And the less we say about her "jazzy" Messiah each Christmas, the better. Yet she chose such interesting repertoire, communicated with audiences beautifully, and reached out to donors and new listeners so well! She'd make a great general manager for a wealthy orchestra and then they could let her conduct, say, a New Year's or Easter concert each year. But never Christmas shows!

>>48477766

True. I personally like to have familiarised myself with an opera before I can listen to (and thoroughly enjoy) it without any visual stimuli. Usually it's so I can understand the broad plot of an opera. I wasn't familiar enough with Der Rosenkavalier to be able to do that when listening to it today, which took away from my experience of it.

However I do agree that people who insist on only watching opera are making a mistake, particularly when the overwhelming majority of iconic opera recordings were made before the age of video recording.

>>48477630
Never been one of my favorites.

>>48477625
Symphony of Psalms?

>>48478000
It's not his best (which actually doesn't say much), but it's still a great piece!

>>48478255
Sounds like fuckin Händel

>>48477625
probly Rake's Progress

How was Rosenkavalier on the Proms?

>>48478422

Pretty good. As I mentioned yesterday, there had been a fair bit of talk about the woman playing Octavian because a number of critics said that she was too chubby and dumpy for the role, which I think was a bit of an overreaction on their parts, but they then got loads of shit from all the fat activists around the internet, which was even more embarassing.

But yeah, it was a Glyndebourne production, so it was of high quality. The orchestra was sounding good too, Ticciati conducted them well it would appear

>>48478624
>Ticciati conducted them well it would appear

I'd never even heard of the guy.

>>48478691

He's a UK based conductor. He's been the principal conductor of the Scottish Chamber Orchestra for about 6 years now, so I've seen him a number of times conducting that. He's still pretty young (born in '83) so he's still establishing himself, but he's definitely on the rise.

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Favorite living performer or conductor.
Why is she so based?

test

>>48479209
You did it.

>>48479209

Oh goody, more trips

>>48479050
Yeah, Faust is great.

Off the top of my head:
Maria Joao Pires
Zoltan Kocsis
Garrick Ohlsson

All my favorite conductors are dead.

Did it work?

>>48479050
Georges Prêtre (89)

Ivan Moravec (83)

>>48456427
http://www.last.fm/music/Theoptic+Honey/_/the+red+priest
>the red priest
lol

Mendelssohn was better than Mozart. There I said it.

>>48475070
>and there's very little potential to branch off into groups (Beatlemaniacs, Metalheads, hip-hop heads, etc.) and communities such as this one.
implying true mahlerians aren't crazier than any other subset of music fans

>>48475936
4, 5, 3, 2, 6, 1

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Just for OP.

>>48477203
I would agree with this. Opera [mostly] leaves me cold.
And Pärt is well appreciated here.

>>48476898
>>48477296
>When does it start getting real good?
>~12 or so
Jesus christ what's the point?

As for the whole Schubert/Mendelssohn trio thing, Schubert considered Mendelssohn's first piano trio to be a high point of 19thC chamber music. Mendelssohn wrote it in a Schumannesque style, and Schumann himself revised the score

>>48482299
= I'd say. I listen to more Mendelssohn than Mozart so, probably Mendelssohn just wins.

>>48480335
FIERY RED PRIEST!

>>48477625
Probably his string quartets. They're like pastiche Mozart...

>48456809

Yes, because a black and white artistically stunted viewpoint is what every composer of the diverse, rich and transcendentally orgasmic baroque period wanted. The worlds movement forward will always be stagnate when those as dim witted as you exist.

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>tfw the best interpretation of Clair de Lune has an unhealthy audience

>>48489416
Coughs and throat-clearing all through the performance?

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Can someone tell me what interval this is?

>>48490042
Whats the clef?
In treble clef, major third
In bass clef, perfect 4th
in alto clef, major third

>>48490149
Sorry I forgot to mention it's a treble clef.
So you're allowed to go down on the staff when counting the interval?

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>>48490175
Always count from the bottom.

A, B, C#.
Just playing that on the piano I know its a major third.
The other option (if you don't have an instrument around, or its a cunty interval) is to count semitones. See pic.

distance from A - C# is 4 semitones. a major third.

>>48490175
bass clef has different notes so some steps are off`. a to c sharp is a fifth

>>48490259
Thx, bruh bruh
I got confused because I assumed it needed to be read from left to right.

>>48490281
sorry yea. this >>48490259. i was thinking steps

It would be cool to have a multiplayer piano with sheet music as well....

Made a room on multiplayer piano anyway
http://www.multiplayerpiano.com/%2Fclassical%2F

>>48490343
so much no

>>48487502
>Schubert considered Mendelssohn's first piano trio to be a high point of 19thC chamber music
That's really interesting seeing as how HE DIED BEFORE MENDELSSOHN EVEN COMPOSED IT YOU STUPID IDIOT.

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>>48491250
What the fuck was I talking about Schubert for? Schumann... Schumann only. My mistake