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last thread died by natural cause
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first
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causes*
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I almost bought a CS5 for £300 on Gumtree a couple of days before Korg announced the MS-20 mini. Ended up getting the mini.
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forth for generative elite clan
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this one also seems dad to me too, whatsoever,my chance.
https://soundcloud.com/drvnet
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>>48128596
good choice
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>>48128596
How is the build quality on the MS20?

The CS5 seems built like a tank compared to the MiniS20
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>>48128600
any tips, tutorials, guides or etc for info about this kind of stuff?
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>>48128609
Okay, dodgy in parts. Most of the knobs are pretty solid, a couple are slightly wobbly. I couldn't imagine myself every breaking it though as I tend to treat it with care anyway. My only other gripe is the plastic nuts on the patchbay. The sound is fantastic though if you're in to that vintage budget analog mono sound and the patch potential is almost limitless.
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>>48128609
The mini is shit tier smd with fucking wobbling pleb knobs, no comparison to its own old version/or any old synth including the cs line.
Sound and tweakability/fun are awesome regardless
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>>48128683
>>48128603
sorry i might be obsessed with this thing
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>>48128650
>>48128683
Thx, seems like I'ma get this thing then
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>>48128626
there is a steep learning curve so don't bother if you want instant results
but if you feel like exploring:
if you have the cash and you already use ableton then get max and max4live,
if not then max itself is a good place to start
do all the tutorials, check out all the examples provided
the c74 mailing list are very helpful if you get stuck

there are a ton of max users making tutorial vids right now, and i expect a ton of free resources exist but i don't know of any specifically

if max is too expensive check out puredata, it's free and does a lot of what max does altho the learning curve is a bit steeper due to it being slightly lower level
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>>48128702
I consider getting one too or an aturia or a rebuild of the synthacon
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>>48128683
>smd

Yeah that's my other concern with mine - how easily it will be to repair when the components start to need replacing. They obviously aren't built to last forever like the originals.
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>>48128683
>>48128701
The effect is real fucking rad though
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>>48128746
>aturia
I had the Microbrute once, was fun, but somehow it just wasn't for me.

I want analog sound with digital modulation possibilities. :C
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is it still cool for me to post my track for feedback. the other thread died before i could post it.
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>>48128826
ofcc
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>>48128834
thanks man

here it is:
https://soundcloud.com/mono-fendai/curry-koka-noodle-riddim
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>>48128772
digitally controlled, all analog signal path synths exist
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>>48128772
You could have built a eurorack with digital modules to control it.
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>>48128746
plz explain this contraption

i make noisy distorted synthesizer based industrialesque music, tape loops, field recordings, various acoustic experiments etc

(i use two monosynths (ms-20/nanozwerg) and a sequencer to make over the top power chords)
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>>48128756
sadly, even this kit isn't and there aren't solder points inside, though theres plenty of space, if a non-smd fix is required/the only way
>>48128765
B)
>>48128772
I'd only buy it for the filter
You might like the nord modular
Theres absolutely no difference between analog and VA anymore soundwise, to lets say an advanced point. You cannot simply add mods to a digital machine like you would to an analog, thats the only thing, even with osc drift simulation nowadays. Most digital hardware synths are even better built than see:
>>48128609
>>48128683

Bass station2 has this kind of routing and patch saving. Not too fancy sound though.
The mutable instruments are pretty cool things aswell, digital with analog filter(s) and DCAs, concept rebirth of the ensoniq's and the Korg DW basically
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>>48128887
>eurorack
Isn't that shit expensive AF though
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>>48128899
cont
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>>48128899
>>48128910

you need to turn on the autofocus on your camera
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>>48128899
Cassette delay in the build
also post a soundcloud/youtube/whatever
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>>48128870

Would fit right in a 16-bit kung-fu game
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modulargrid time

http://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/79610
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>>48128903
Who are all those people
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>>48128899
Do you like Severed Heads?
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>>48128919
it's been like this since i smashed it don't think it's possible

>>48128923
have lots of stuff in progress but nothing for the public to hear
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>>48128945
wut
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>>48128924
haha thanks. i think?
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who's hyped for bazille?
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>>48128961
does this actually give enough signal with no preamp?
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>>48128948
a little too bleepy for me
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>>48129017
FUCKING HELL I NEEDED A STEREO CASSETTE DUPLICATOR FOR A DOZEN WHILE NOW GIVE ME
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>>48129007
yeah no problem. the magic of piezo crystals.
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>>48129025
mine is mono so mostly punk releases

if you're american there's lots of telex stereo ones circulating. way harder over here.
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Reporting. Starting to record some stuff I was working on today. Reel to reel is going to be back in commission soon as my belt got here but everything is still pretty gooped up so I need to clean that out. 2i4 might actually be working but I'm still unsure. ESQ-1 battery died so all my patches are gone but I did not really have a ton in there to begin with.

I found a real neat pattern and made a patch to go with it for juno just now though so I'll see what I can do about recording it.
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>>48128945
>>48128963
art project from when I was in 8th grade
People from my town, mostly shopped or deformed
>>48129058
germany here, yes I couldnt find a single stereo one (which I'd need for electronic music)
only one in months to pop up in mono
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Kassettenkopierstation-fur-Kompaktkassetten-/171376062858?pt=DE_TV_Video_Audio_Sonstige&hash=item27e6cf318a
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>>48129088
use uk ebay. just ask the sellers if they're willing to ship overseas, they usually are.
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>>48129017
Some of their earlier stuff is quite industrial before they went more synth-poppy

http://severedheads.bandcamp.com/album/city-slab-horror

I find them quite inspiring in terms of how they get their sounds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX0goKMpB4Y
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>>48129088
>Leichlingen
I used to live in Opladen for quite a while
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>>48128998
fuckin ye
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>>48129154
LOLOLOLOL here we meet again
btw do you just recognise it, do I know you irl or did you find a hint, I am not recognising myself here
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>>48129198
on the banner in the background it says leichlingen (alter stadtpark), I only lived there for 2 or 3 month, I don't think we ever met
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>>48128904
there are fantastic and cheap modules too!
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>>48128930
hmmm interesting rack...
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>>48129302
kek bruder zum glueck ist das nicht /b/ hier
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I make industrial too, primarily with some cheap synthesizers I found in a bathroom. I took some rocks outs of my pocket and put them inside of a toilet paper roll and experiment to see what kind of sounds I can get.

Would you guys mind if I shared some stuff I've been working on?
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>>48128961
what's happening here pls explain
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>>48129412
piezo pickup going into a digital recorder. basically put the disk on to something and it picks up the vibrations
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>>48129412
It looks like a piezo pickup going directly into a sound recorder.
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Lets see if this gets bigger againby MET evening
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I got a shitty used CASIO with MIDI to learn how to play the piano, after 6 months it broke and I am planning to step my game up. I got really interested in composing and learning about music composing and I am planning on getting a synth.

I did some research and the Korg Kross appears to be the best on the price range. Am I being retarded or is this the thing I should get?
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So

Pulse 2 or Minitaur or Bass Station? Tried a MS20 mini which wasn't for me and the minibrute is... idk, not for me either. Which is the one to cop?
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>>48129737
KORG Kross is more of a workstation than synth though. That's okay if you want a workstation.
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>>48129774
I'd go with the pulse, the bass station is good but has a very basic sound
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>>48129821
What about Minitaur? Its a moog, but it seems limited as fuck.
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>>48129398
yes, please
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>>48129832
all moogs are limited as fuck, but I'd love one
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>>48129846
This one doesn't seem so limited tho
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>>48129832
>>48129858
is doesnt because its got memory, most of the buttons are for this part actually

I personally dislike the moog filter sound a lot, sounds too basic to me
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>>48129858
dont be fooled. it just has a bunch of buttons instead of rotary switches and stuff like that
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favorite native ableton plug in/vst?
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I'd love to get ya'lls opinion on the Waldorf Rocket. It's cheap, built like a tank, and the oscillator is digital though it has a VCF and VCA.

This fucking demo man, holy shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq0p8z9ht5Q&hd=1

Like, even though the osc is digital it still seems like it makes some fucking amazing sounds. Is it worth the buy?
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>>48130944
It's a cute little thing that can sound deadly.

If you are happy with ADSR restrictions, go for it
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>>48130944

Also another great demo, musictrackjp of course :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx-l7xUjXU0&hd=1

>>48130969

ADSR restrictions aren't a big deal as long as it makes a bunch of amazing sounds. I really just wanted to get everyone's opinion on it because the oscillator is digital, not a VCO or even DCO. Yet from these demos, and with the VCF and VCA, it seems like you can get some amazing tones out of it.

I know everyone is all circlejerking over VCO's and all voltage controlled stuff so that's why I ask whether it makes a difference or not, or if it's not that big of a deal for the osc to be digital.
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>>48131080

To be more specific: I'm deciding between getting this or the microbrute as my first synth (and mostly, first VCF), and I'm leaning towards the rocket even though the MB has a VCO. If there are other good options in the $300 or less range, I'd love to hear about them, though. But this is what I'm deciding between atm.
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>>48131120
With the MB you can also get toxic-awesome tones and you have more control, just saiyan.

As for the oscillators, as long as they sound good, I don't care. Filters are more important IMO.
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>>48128706

Link to your soundcloud? If it's so good I'd love to hear some of your work.
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>>48128772

Get a Waldorf Pulse 2 then. It's pretty much exactly as you described. It's even 4 (2 osc) - 8 (1 osc) voice paraphonic, with 8 modulation slots!
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>>48131710
I'm selling all my unused gear already, for that Pulse 2.

I'ma getcha, Pulse
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>>48128903
>Theres absolutely no difference between analog and VA anymore soundwise
Kek
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>>48131731

Seems to be unanimously liked around these parts, lol. Best analog synth under a grand imo. I mean, 3 analog oscillators! THREE!

Plus, the paraphony really did it for me. 8 voice analog synth for under a grand, yes please! Can't wait to make some 3 OSC basslines too. I'm starting my new summer job in a week, gonna be making $13/hr full time, should be able to afford it in 2-3 weeks, can't wait.
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>>48129858
yeah, it is. you don't get a moog for functionality, you get it because it sounds like a moog, which is the entire point of it. it's like a Stratocaster
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I know you guys are more favorable of hardware, but those that are computer users, what are some of your favorite vst's to use? Both instruments and effects?
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>>48129872

But what about how creamy and fat and warm and round and organic it sounds and other similar buzzwords?
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Is there an image floating around for people trying to get into bleep production?
Like entry-level synth recs that won't blow the bank (inb4 microkorg)?
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>>48132226
I cannot specify one synth for this matter, but there are better. I understand the overall image, but for monosynths I prefer something more clear. e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rflpxsjyEqU
Also, as predicted the thread woke up again.
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>>48132217

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I've been using NanoStudio for about 2 and a half years now as my DAW of choice, and the Eden synth is amazing (it's a 2 osc VA), and it's entirely free for PC/Mac (mobile version costs $20 for the full version but who gives a fuck, you don't need it and even if you wanted it [I got it lol] it's still cheap as fuck).

Between that and audacity I can pretty much do anything the big boy DAW's can do, for free (legitimate free, no pirating). I'll likely eventually move up to Reaper, but even that is technically free (as long as you don't mind the "hey buy me" screen that pops up for a couple of seconds), and it's only $60 to actually buy it so even that's cheap as fuck for a fully-featured DAW.
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>>48132300
Quick entry-level synth tier list:

1. Waldorf Blofeld
2. Free VST synths like Synth1
3. Every analog monophonic synth released in this decade
4. Alesis Micron / Akai MINIAK

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199525. MicroKorg
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>>48132300
nice dubs, just post this, has a lot of knobs
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>>48132315
I'll check out nanostudio, if you are against pirating, though I'm sure you've heard this before already, check out the line of free TAL products as well as kvraudio and pluginboutique, they both have sections that get uploaded for free vst's all the time.
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>>48132308

Is it an east coast thing? I woke up and had my coffee and got onto /mu/ looking for the bleep production thread (I'm keeping up with these now, <3 them and want them to be a regular thing where we can discuss production and synths and shit like that) around 10 AM EST, now it's almost 1 PM and I still check back occasionally as I do other shit on the web.
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>>48132408
No, europa gets from work/school/sport now
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>>48129832
It is limited. It's - as the name suggest - a bass synth. It's octave range is at the lower end. Not really suitable for leads or high notes.

I keep bigging it up, but check out the Vermona Mono Lancet. It can be expanded with eurorack modules (if you buy the expander). You can build an awesome synth over time but start with something that has the basics and sounds really good. The filter is fucking awesome.

Check out the demos at the end of this article:

http://greatsynthesizers.com/en/test/vermona-mono-kick-lancet-lead-and-groove-synthesizers/
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>>48132385

Thanks for the tip, I'll check those out.

I'm not only about free btw, cheap is also fine, thus the eventual switch over to reaper. Also plan on getting this for my drum rack solution, it's only $50 but does basically everything: http://www.onesmallclue.com/poise.php
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>>48132473
>'m not only about free btw, cheap is also fine
kvr and pluginboutique will be a good tool for you then, their search filters are really good and you can set price limits, it's perfect if you want to look for alternatives and such to a specific vst or instrument/effect.
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>>48132217
FabFilter One, too easy to get amazing sounds from and amazing value
and every TAL plugin
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>>48132696
yea the fab filter line is really good, especially that vst with dual filters on it
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>>48132898
the volcano
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Anybody want to collaborate with me? I have 2 main sample-based ideas i don't know how to execute because i'm not used to electronic production.
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You guys have gotta see this video. Never heard of this werkbench thing before, but now I'm fascinated by it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVw0N4V9M-Y&hd=1
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>>48133056
That's not what a collab is. You're doing a Goldie, and that's only okay if you're rich enough to make it worth people's time.

Take your time to learn a DAW so you can actually do something in a collab.
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>>48132564

Yeah, again thanks a ton, after you told me I went to all of those sites and bookmarked them lol. :)
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>>48132696
>>48132898

It's only $64 holy shit... I'm not the guy you were responding too, i'm the free/cheap guy, but thanks for the heads up, definitely getting this.
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>>48133056
I'd maybe. Show me what you have, there is a chance it could turn out as a remix in the end
see
>>48133105
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>>48133080
it's like Ableton Live for the iPad
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>>48132346
Do you know how to get Synth1 running in Garageband?
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>>48133105

Not that guy, but how do you think collabs done over the internet should go?

Right now I made a song and someone wanted to make a remix, so I gave them the stems and let them do what they want with it. I suppose that's one way. Or, I've also created beats that I've released for free download for rappers or singers to do vocals over.

Would doing different parts be a good idea? I'd like to start a series of threads on /mu/ where we do actual collabs. I was thinking I could basically do one part, like a bass line or a drum track, that I release for free, and then the idea is for people to take that and either finish the song, or at least add one more part for it and release it for other people to add parts to.

Thoughts?
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>>48132696
i'd also like to add the FabFilter Micro too, it's a nice self oscillating filter but it also saturates very nicely too

still very cheap too
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here's a tip: don't spend money on plug-ins.
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>>48133223
install the audio unit component and it should be there under audio units in the instrument meny
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>>48133189

Sounds pretty damn sweet.

Also, what does that make NanoStudio for the iPad then? Reason? 'Cause of the included awesome synth and all...
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>>48133269
Here's a tip: don't listen to this guy
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>>48133269
or get a job
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>>48133234
I like to agree on general things, like a tempo or genre, start making parts. If possible, share the project; most of the times, it's easier to bounce things to audio at every turn due to people not having the same versions of DAWs/VSTs.

Dropbox shared folders help a lot.
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>>48133286
>>48133319
spending money on something that isn't tangible is stupid and a waste.
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>>48133269

Are you 12?

I mean, I certainly understand that there are plenty of overpriced plug-ins that you should avoid entirely, and you shouldn't buy a bunch that you'll never use (better to carefully select a few that you'll use all the time), but there's plenty of very good and cheap VST's out there that are certainly worth the money.

If you have a regular job it really shouldn't be an issue to spend a couple of hundred bucks to get set up. I mean, the cost of Reaper, Poise, and FabFilter One together are less than $200 in total, hardly breaking the bank and you could make an entire album with just that and other free VST's and plug-ins like TAL and the built-in Reaper FX and such.
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>>48133371
Music isn't tangible
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>>48133276
I figured out a different way, thanks.
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>>48133371

What the fucking fuck kind of logic is this?
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>>48133371
I seriously hope you don't dream of having music as your job ever.
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how about investing in drum hardware? any good recommendations that arent outrageously expensive? because i can't seem to find any. (im ignoring the volca beats and rhythm wolf type stuff, but idk...)
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>>48133402
None lol
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>>48133437
interface
studio monitors

everything else after that is whatever you want to do. Even if what you want to do is use circuit bent speak and spells you need something to properly record them and hear if that recording is not shit or not.
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>>48133399
but the records are. i don't buy mp3s.
>>48133402
i'd rather save my money for something that i can physically touch and build a relationship with.
>>48133418
i'm not saying that i don't use plug-ins, i'm just saying that i'm not dumb enough to actually pay money for them.
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>>48133269
i dont
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>>48133482
>i'd rather save my money for something that i can physically touch and build a relationship with.

you need to get a waifu
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>>48133482
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>>48133482
>this guy builds relationships with vinyl
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sorry if i hit a nerve with you dipshits that actually decided it would be a good idea to flush your money down the toilet, but to each their own.
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>>48133464
I dont mean to be a dick, but that's the least helpful advice you could be in response to that question. I am genuinely just considering what options i /could/ have in regards to drum computers. certainly, i should make the decision for myself, on my tastes and workflow, but it's good to have input from others to see what is availble that i might have missed. think: the octotrack, tempest, and miami are all very different in style, but there are probably more things in their categories i just havent learned about
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>>48133523
#suckadick420
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>>48133523
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>>48133553
>>48133593
lol. expected responses from plug in buying dumb-dumbs.
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>>48133651
>trying this hard
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I want to make music, but I can't play any instruments and DAWs just frustrate me, even though I've given them a fair shot.

Are there any alternatives?
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>>48133709
am i really trying hard? all i did was make a post saying that buying plug-ins is a waste.
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>>48133711
Being rich and pulling a Goldie.
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>>48133711
yeah: change your fucking attitude or give up music all together.
>I WANT TO BE GOOD AT MUSIC BUT SINCE I'M NOT GOOD RIGHT AWAY I GIVE UP
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>>48133437

From what I've heard, the Korg ER-1 is a good choice, though personally I'm getting the ES-1 instead and doing sampling for my beats.

They're all around $100 or so.
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I'm the noob from the last few days

There's an ESQ-1 on ebay for $300, pull the trigger??!??!
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>>48133761
I told you that I gave DAWs a fair shot, as in using one almost every day for six months. I don't like them. It's not about the quality of what I'm making. I just don't like how I have to make it.
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>>48133794
300, if metal version and all working is OK
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>>48133810
>fair shot
doubt it. and honestly, if you can't get comfortable using a DAW everyday for 6 months then you must have brain problems.
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>>48133735
>he keeps fucking responding
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>>48133881
den pimmel reiben
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>>48133881
and you're responding to every post i make, so...
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>>48133711

>Are there any alternatives?

Yeah. I heard Badminton is pretty easy to get into.
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>>48133902
I made one of the image responses earlier so you;ve annoyed at least three people enough with your pretty silly opinion to merit tongue-in-cheek reaction faces. how about we all just quit and agree to disagree. but seriously bro, you don't really have any honor to lose or defend, youre on the internet. we disagree, and that's that.
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best way for a poorfag to make bleeps?
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>>48133902
>doesn't realize different people are fucking with him on an anonymous imageboard

honestly just wondering how many posts you'll respond to that respond to you at this point.
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>>48133853
>if you can't get comfortable using a DAW everyday for 6 months then you must have brain problems.
It's not that I'm uncomfortable with them, it's that I don't fucking like them. If someone really doesn't like something, then it's retarded to say that they must have brain problems for not liking it six months later. Don't be such a fucking asshole.

>>48133944
I know for a fact that there ARE alternatives (sibelius, for example). I'm basically just asking if any of them are worthwhile.
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>have been using logic pro for 4 years
>want to switch to Ableton because it's better for what I'm trying to do
>try to get into Ableton at least once a year but just get annoyed with it's interface and quit

Is Ableton really that good for production comparatively to Logic Pro? Is it worth switching if I find the interface annoying?
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>>48133991
Pirate a DAW and plugins.
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>>48133991

NanoStudio. Free, great VA synth, and they even have a section of their website that offers a bunch of free sample packs. Really simple and easy to use interface, great for beginners to learn synthesis.
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>>48132458
Sweet. Ill look into it.
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>>48133991
DIY or pirate how you prefer. Alt is getting a lil newspaper job
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>>48134011
Sibelius is for notation. It's worth nothing if you want to make bleeps and the best thing ever if you have to write for an actual orchestra. It's not an alternative, it's a whole different kind of thing.
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>>48134011
>it's that I don't fucking like them.
well guess what - you're going to have to learn to like them.
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>>48134052
Yeah, I guess I should have specified that any kind of program for making music is something that I'd consider.

I just posted here because it's the only production thread.
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>>48134011

Sounds like you should get into hardware, then. What sorta budget are you working with, and what kind of music do you want to make?

What you should really be asking is what is the most fun and "instant gratification" sort of hardware sub-$1000. Probably something with a sequencer, so I'd likely recommend getting a Microbrute since it's all analog and only $300. Maybe get a Korg ER-1 with it so you have drums and synth, all for under $500.

Maybe a Korg ESX if you just want one thing, I'm pretty sure that does both drums and synth right? Pretty sure one of those electribes does.
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>>48132458

Seconding this. Great 2 VCO mono synth.
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>>48133991
Caustic, my nigga.
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>>48134118
Thanks for the recommendations. I haven't really considered hardware much. I'll be sure to check those out.
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>>48134013
yes. ableton is hands down the most flexible DAW. i guess im biased because i learned Ableton first and know it extremely well. i recently dove into Reason and have basically learned how to use it, but holy shit I hate it because of the patching and generally wonkiness with routing. Ableton makes those things so much easier. it does have probably the highest learning curve, but once you get it, so much is possible, so much can be done so quickly
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>>48134020
thanks I'll try it out.
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>>48134011
You sound like a really huge bitch. Pic related.
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>>48134246
>HAHA he doesn't like to do things our way
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>>48128556
what do you all think of the volca series?
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>>48134305
Want 'em bad.
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>>48134142
It really is. It seems to fly under everyone's radar which I can only assume is because it's a boutique synth. It's pretty close soundwise to the celebrated Roland monos of old with a very Moog-like filter, I love it.
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>>48134322
I have the beats and keys, I am wondering if the bass is worth it. So far they sound really phenomenal and coupled with ableton, its really incredible what they can do.
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>>48134281
>HAHA he doesn't like anything that actually takes time to learn and is only interested in immediate satisfaction
>HAHA he wants to be a musician without doing anything musical
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>>48134156

Np, man. You're just lucky I'm understanding. Try to be less grumpy next time you're asking people to help, or get more into the details of what exactly you don't like/what you're looking for for music making.

Remember, we're all anonymous here. It's easy for people to be dicks with no repercussions, so if you piss people off they'll quickly turn on you. It's not about who's right or wrong, but whether you get the info you're looking for or not.
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>>48134281
If you think it's normal for anyone to not want to learn an instrument or a DAW but still want to make music, I don't know what to tell you other than you're literally retarded.
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>>48134180

Reaper is technically the most flexible DAW, but you have to create your own work flow instead of having one given to you.

But yeah, Ableton is probably the most flexible for beginners.
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>>48134370
>not want to learn an instrument or a DAW but still want to make music
I already know how to use two DAWs, both of them relatively well.
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>>48134370

literally. like, you should probably see a doctor and give back your drivers license.
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>>48134419
>still want to make music

Then bang some keys, dammit
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>>48134305
The snare on the volca beats is the worst sounding snare Ive ever heard on a drum machine lol
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>>48134337

And honestly, at roughly the same price as the MS20-mini, I'd rather have the lancet than the mini.

http://www.analoguehaven.com/vermona/monolancet/
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>>48134305
the bassline is really dinky. the beats sounds fat, but the strip is a fucking terrible controller for percussion. tiny buttons would have even been better. i think the beats should have been bigger. The keys sounds amazing, is a touch noisy (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) and would recommend, but really only if you have an external way of controlling it (midi keybaord or midi out of DAW thru interface)
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>>48134492
I have both...
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>>48134482
its really terrible, I agree. There is a mod available that I might have to do. until then I just sub a virtual one
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>>48134482

Also the Korg ER-1 is both cheaper and sounds better. Dunno why people think the volca series is good, they're pretty junky from what I've heard.
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>>48134514
its pretty cool using a full keyboard with that thing. I agree on all points with the beats though.
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>>48134516

Fair enough! Lol.

How's that MFB 522 treatin' ya? :)
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>>48134492
600+ dollars for a 2 oscillator monosynth
>monosynth
fuck naw
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>>48134536
I think they're good for making analog accessible, getting the kids hooked and stuff.
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>>48134536
I have had trouble finding one for a while though
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>>48134516
that's that drum box up front?
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>>48134536
I got a Korg ER-1 a few months ago and its so much fun, the delay and mods on it let you create some insane sounds.
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>>48134586

If you've got a better idea for the money for VCO's, I'm all ears.

Like I've said previously, I'm saving up for the Pulse 2, which has 3 osc and paraphony, but that has DCO's (which I actually prefer personally, but I know some people will bitch about that).
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>>48134626
shit now I want one. Thanks a lot anon >:(
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>>48134586
That's a pretty standard price. It's cheaper (in the UK) than a Minibrute and that only has a single VCO. Sounds better too.
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>>48134536
>Korg ER-1
>cheaper
lol wut
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>>48134593

Guitar Center has one used, there's also one on ebay atm i believe. Just gotta look around.

Probably shouldn't have said this since I plan on getting the ES-1 they have, if any of you fuckers gets it ahead of me I'll punch you in the dick through the internet i swear on me mum.
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>>48134664
hes right though, you can find the ER-1 for 130 online, whereas the Beats is 150
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>>48134664

Volca stuff is $150 a pop I believe, ER-1 is usually $100, with the added benefit of not sounding like shit.
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>>48134673
lol thanks m8
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>>48134527
What's the mod called. love my beats but would do anything to make the snare sound better
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I want to start making bleeps should I cop a mini keyboard? I own a casio cdp120.
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>>48134566
It's great, the closest I could get to an 808 on a budget anyway.

>>48134623
It's a Yamaha QY20 MIDI sequencer. I've been trying to avoid computers but the damn thing was just too fiddly and the screen sucks with no backlight so I'm using Seq24 now:

http://www.filter24.org/seq24/
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>>48134673
honestly, I was looking for a cheap/easy way into analog and the volca series delivered.
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>>48134586
I would by all means say Pulse 2.
i would say volca keys but only as a joke. lol... i suppose you guys are right, but i just cannot fathom the idea of paying that much money for something monophonic. i have the minibrute, but it use it in weird ways because of the audio input, and feel like i can get more mileage out of it than i could possible get out of the lancet. different strokes, etc
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>>48134664
I got mine for $136 on ebay free shipping

ER1 For verification
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>>48134722
this is it, I believe
http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2014/02/20/korg-volca-beats-snare-mod/
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>>48134740
i do not understand why you would use that shit for midi.
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>>48134756
some guy was selling an ER1 for 20 bucks in san jose. I wish I picked it up.
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>>48134747

idk, I guess, I mean personal taste is always an issue. I just feel like you'd be better off with an ER-1 (or something similar) and a MicroBrute for that purpose.

But hey, while we're on the subject: do you have a soundcloud, or some place where you've uploaded any songs you've made with the volca stuff? I'd love to hear some songs made with them with good fidelity.
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>>48134897
I'm not sure what you mean. You're not sure why I'd control the synths via MIDI? Or you're not sure why I'd use those sequencers?
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>>48134941
im sorry man, I dont yet. I am still in the 'figure out how this shit works' stage before I start uploading anything. But I lurk here often so I will post when I think im ready.
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>>48134926

Deals like that always make me wary. Something must have been busted in it to sell it for that cheap, seems too good to be true.
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>>48134977

Alright man, good luck.
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>>48135030
thanks. loving it so far.
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What's a good site to buy vintage equipment for a decent price that ISN'T ebay/craigslist?
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>>48135066
ebay/craigslist
:^)
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>>48135066
real-life.com/garagesales/index.php
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>>48135147
fuck im brilliant some times
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>>48135147
>Implying I don't live in a town full of meth addicts and white trash
good joke though, ngl.
Believe me I've tried.
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>>48135219
Mh maybe oranise some hauls in a nearby town with yourself and friends/family
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>>48135257
no, my entire area is just like my town.
i live in fresno, ca
"the city addicted to crystal meth".
all the surrounding areas for 200 miles are the same shit.
online is the only hway.
guitar center is the only decent music store.
you know how shitty that is?
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check ebay. I got my er-1 for 30 bucks off some japanese seller with 50 dollar shipping.
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I want to get a hardware synth, but I generally make post-rock ish stuff, and a lot of synths I've looked at don't seem to have an appropriate range of sounds for anything like that. Recommendations?
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so i have this idea of producing some semi-aggressive electropop with Nick-Cave-ish vocals.
What type/genre of sound does /mu/ think would fit in? I am thinking of something like NLDW but not that agressive
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>>48135475

Honestly, I'm just going to continually recommend the Waldorf Pulse 2 for anyone asking what first hardware synth to buy.

This demo should both be good for post-rock stuff, as well as showing off how creamy the bass can sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwgnPRLEeJk&hd=1
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>>48135315
I've always avoided Japanese sellers because I thought Japan used a different power standard than the US; is this not true?
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>>48135680
I bought my own ac adapter for it and it works just fine. They all take 9v DC at 1 amp
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>>48133521
kek'd
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>>48135596
if you do it ironically it might be cool
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>>48135800
Doing anything ironically is not cool. Fuck off.
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>>48135830
doing stuff ironically can be pretty funny
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>>48134634
Please tell me you're the guy who asked for laymans terms then wanted better explanation about the difference between VCOs and DCOs
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>>48136354

I am, but I still think the Pulse 2 is a better value even though it's DCO's. Just my opinion, I still have your post saved in a text file ;)
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>>48136354
>>48136713

Also I'm pretty certain all VCO analog synths under a grand are mono. Pulse's paraphony is quite nice, plus the modulation features and build quality, and having 3 oscillators... seems like a worthy trade of DCO's (still analog oscillators tho) instead of VCO's, but getting all of those features as well.

I probably won't buy another synth until I save up enough for the Sub37.
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>>48136713
FY,I I wasn't saying one was inherently better, I happen to think that the pulse is a great synthesizer. I just find it odd that I went into such detail and you ask for layman's terms, and when I simplified it if, it was not a satisfying answer for you
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>>48133482
jesus fucking christ
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>>48136890
I cannot think of any truly polyphonic analog synths under a grand, unless you go with an 80s poly, even then your options are limited
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>>48136926

Because I don't understand stuff like amplitude, volt peaks, distortion/saturation (as it applies to analog circuitry), waveshaping and square vs. saw/triangle "cores". I just know basic stuff like infinite resolution vs. "stepping", oscillator drift, stuff like that.

It's funny 'cause I'm going into electronics engineering, but I'm not going to get into Signals and Systems and Physics III (which is mostly electrical) stuff until next year. Part of the reason I've been wanting to get into analog gear is to learn more about electronics in my spare time.
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best synth ever bump
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>>48138453
kek
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>>48138453
correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't digital synths just glorified VST's?
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>>48138542
Gaia is worse than most VSTs.

But no, not all digital synths are glorified VSTs, for a multitude of reasons.
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wait wait wait...

so I just looked up the Volca Bass.

3 fuggen VCO's with a VCF and VCA all for $150? do my eyes deceive me? what's the catch?

i'm just looking for a solid analog mono bassline machine, does it having 3 VCO's make it as awesome as it seems that would make it?
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>>48138823
It certainly punches above it's weight taking price in to consideration but it's not that great. I'm sure it's fine if you just want to make basslines and you're not expecting it to sound like a 303.
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>>48138823
more does not equal better.

sh-101 only has one vco and sounds way better.
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anyone know where i can get a decent free synth plug in for ableton live?

also when i side chain compress in ableton i always get a click, is this just because ableton compressors suck?

my stuff if you wanna check it out, improving my production a good bit if you compare my new song to older stuff but if love some feedback/improvements

https://soundcloud.com/huntr33
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>>48139310
most decent plugins are not free but you can look here for free plugins
http://www.kvraudio.com/
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>>48139364

yea i know but id like to mess around on some free ones before making the upgrade to decent ones, thanks man
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>>48139310
http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?id=405
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I traded a hit of LSD for a mpk akai mini. I play keyboard and drums so I'll pick it up real fast but I can't get it to work. I'm very bad with computers
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>>48139414
thanks man, will check it out in a bit
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>>48139496
All I can suggest is to make sure the MIDI channel it's transmitting on matches the channel of the instrument you want to control.
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>>48139013

>more does not equal better.

what *does* it mean, then? having multiple VCO's, i mean? why doesn't it mean it's better? what does having 3 VCO's actually do? i thought it would make the sound thicker since you could play them all together and detune them and shit.

i'm just looking for best bang-for-the-buck mono analog bass synth I can get. it can have other features of course, but i really just want to hear what all of the analog fans are talking about with how much better analog sounds compared to digital, applied to monophonic basslines.

i've mostly been debating between the ms20 mini, mono lancet and minitaur. 3 might not be important, but i think having at least 2 VCO's is important so you can detune them and get that nice analog beats effect.
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>>48139412

So are you saying you're looking for demos that give limited features and give more features when you buy them, then?
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>>48139830
Not all oscillators are the same and more is not always better.

That being said the volca is great bang for the buck wise unless you can find an amazing deal on some vintage monophonic synth or something.

>i've mostly been debating between the ms20 mini

Do that.
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>>48139895

really? why do people have such a hard-on for the ms20 mini? is it because of the mod patchbay or something?

i've heard both that the minitaur has some of most insane room-shaking bass tones of any analog mono, and that the lancet may even sound better than the 'taur on the low end (plus not being limited to C4). The mini doesn't even have velocity sensitivity and only a mod wheel + a button, and of course there's always the build quality issue with the knobs that everyone always mentions.

why do you think it's the superior mono synth, especially for basslines? not saying you're wrong, but just want to have a better understanding since i can only afford one atm and want to make the right choice, and understand why i should choose it over the other two (both of which are also 2 VCO synths, the minitaur even has the moog filter)
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>>48140431
Because the ms20 can do much more than just analog basses because of its healthy amount of modulation options while having the patchbay.

If you want to get something that can cover a lot of uses while still being good for basses get the ms20 mini. If you want to get something completely specialized for basses get a lancet or something.

Also having an ms20 filter that you can patch anything through is incredibly useful.
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>>48139830
>>48139895

As an owner of both the MS20 mini and Mono Lancet, I'd get the Lancet. It's by far the nicer sounding synth for bread and butter sounds - and basslines which is what he wants it for.

Modulation options are far more limited with the Lancet without expanding it with modular equipment though.
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is the 303 Groovebox any good?
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>>48140826
mc-303?

if youre gonna get a roland groove box it has to be the 909
but if your looking for a production station like that its better to go software
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>>48138453
a new challenger appears
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>>48140546

know of any good videos which really show off the patchbay capabilities, though? like, stuff that can really only be done because it has that feature?

i'd be much more interested if i could actually hear what kinds of wizardry it can pull off because of the patchbay, a lot of demos i've seen only do really basic things. also, i don't intend to get any sort of a modular setup any time soon. maybe a microbrute, but that's about it (but it's still something).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A84DcUim2yw of course this is a youtube video, but it certainly is capable of making some nice deep, fuzzy tones (though i'm not sure if they're as deep and earth-shattering as say a minitaur until i hear it irl). if i could see some cool patchbay videos, that would probably sell me, though.
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>>48141249

this is actually a great example of "cool patchbay stuff", applied to bass even, that i really like the sound of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A84DcUim2yw&feature=player_detailpage#t=314
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>>48141065
>software
could you rec me something?
I dream of making dub techno, even though I never got into /production/
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I found out about the Kaossilator 2 two hours ago and can't get it out of my mind. Is the microphone any good? I like the sounds in it, but I'd like to use it for recording sounds for sound design too.
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Tomorrow I will have the chance to play with the prophet 08 and prophet 12. If I like them I'll probably add them to my workflow when I get the money in a month or two. Does anyone have any experience with these and their versatility/sound? I am looking for something truly polyphonic and good that will last me forever. any recs on alternatives that could match the 08 or 12 are very accepted.
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>>48142591
>advice
Sped more time on the 12, the 08 is pretty underwhelming compared to the 5.

>alternatives
Lolnoep
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>>48128899
>>48128910
I'm jealous of your set up
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>>48142634
>08 is underwhelming

I've heard from plenty of people that the 08 is more preferable from the 12. although their reason was that 12 didn't sound vintage enough though. But I have plenty of vintage synths already and want something more modern.
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so what VST synths do you guys love?

between ACE, DiVA, and Zebra 2 i haven't been using anything else or really intend to. I might get absynth since it seems pretty neat.

i'm just curious to see what you guys all are looking at or use.
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>>48142634

Really? The 08 is underwhelming?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPy5GXul1AI&hd=1
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>>48142942
>compared to the 5
Quit twisting my words.
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>>48142942
>open saws
Wow, if that was your argument for the 08 not being underwhelming, then I have no idea what synth couldn't pull that off
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does the oberheim matrix 6 strike anyone else as one of the best synths of the 80s within a decent price range?
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>>48130944

What would be the VCO (DCO is cool, but analog osc) version of the Rocket?

It looks like so much fun with all of those knobs and the low price point. This demo was great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPy5GXul1AI&hd=1

I just wish it had analog osc instead of digital, is there anything like that? I'm digging the whole 1 knob per function thing.
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All I have is a synth a laptop and a amp I have no idea how to bleep. Where do I start
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>>48144441
>record your synth with an interface or mic up your amp
>keep overdubbing

just like bleep
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>>48144948
I'll do what I can with what I have because I have no interface
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>>48145153
if you have nothing to record tracks with, then you are limited to just what you can make with your synth and amp. which is still a lot of fun, you can learn a lot that way. you could possibly even go to your local thrift store and buy a 4 track recorder or something for like 30 bucks if you're lucky
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>>48145153

Just get a Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 (don't make the same mistake I made and get the 2i2, which doesn't have the MIDI I/O ports, fml), they're cheap as fuck.
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>>48145378
>Focusrite Scarlett 2i4
I saw one of those used a while back for around $80 but I didn't get it in time
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>>48145378
why aren't you using your midi ports? i don't play piano and use midi to send all the note information to the synths when i can't play the parts properly. they're very handy
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>>48142888
>absynth
I like it a lot but I'm not too fond of how it does modulation.
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>>48145608

The 2i2 doesn't have MIDI ports, that's the point. I use MIDI all the time, but since I fucked up I just got a USB to MIDI cable instead.
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>>48145733
oh i misread your post sorry
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looking to buy a polyphonic hard-synth. Tell me why I shouldn't get an Elektron A4.

My current pros:
Small - good for a college kid
Built-in, half-decent fx - don't have to buy fx pedals
Built-in sequencer - can't keyboard for shit, so I can fake like I can.

Current cons:
Only 4-voice polyphony - feel like that'll get eaten up pretty quick
Supposedly rough ui - not sure how tru ethis one is
I'm fairly new to the synth world - might be a twitch reaction to buy the new shiny toy without looking at what's already out.
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>>48145755

np brochacho
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>>48145832
oh, and i already have a ms20 mini, if that make a difference.
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Would the Rocket pair well with other synths?

Kinda bullshit that the ms20 mini doesn't have midi out, and thus it's keyboard can't control other synths. Same with the microbrute.

Really smitten with the Rocket after seeing
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqmTABLGapU
But I'm really looking to pair it with an analog synth that has keys that can play it, not sure what to go with.
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Hey whats a good cheap synthesizer for ambient and electronica music?
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>>48145832
because hard ware is dead do it all with soft synths
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>>48145832
A4 is great. Can do all the classic polysynth tricks, big unison even with different patches if you like, interesting filter layout. It doesn't get compared to this often but I look at it like a SEM Four-voice. The basic architecture is not dissimilar, though of course much more possibilities on the A4.
>polyphony
If you're sequencing the four note polyphony isn't bad since you can P-lock even patches to every step. Straight playing is when you notice. If you want to grab a fistful of chord then it's not going to work out. For that kind of playing you're better off with a VA or good S+S though, really. Analog polyphony isn't cheap.
>UI
It's elektron, you either love it or hate it. It's very straight forward, matrix style editing. The only menu diving you'll have to do is for setting up more advanced features like CV duties. I think it's very easy to navigate but I cut my teeth on old shit boxes so everything these days is easy.
It would make a very good companion to your MSmini. It lends itself to a much smoother sound, and would be able to sequence the MS via CV.
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>>48146056
Never got the hype for this thing. Looks and sounds uninspiring, to me at least.
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Are these monitors the best for a ~$300 budget?
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>>48131983
kek to ya kek, actually
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>>48146084
Blofeld
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>>48133119
also bookmark bittorrent. Lots of free VSTs, very high quality.
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>production thread
>devolves into gear threads
>implying you need hardware
>implying soft synths aren't superior
>implying sylenth1, U-He Diva, NI fm8 & massive aren't the only synths you'll ever need, ever.
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>>48133482
i like you.
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>>48146348
come on dude, it's just about having fun
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>>48134701
lol i have an ea-1 from forever ago. collecting dust. I went totally softsynth and never looked back.
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>>48135147
>real-life.com/garagesales/index.php
404 page not found, you fucktard
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>>48128600
bumping for generative elite clan
whatever the fuck that means
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>>48142888
anything by Native Instruments.
anything by Korg
anything by Waldorf is okay
anything by arturia
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>>48146249
If I have a midi keyboard (axiom 49), should I still consider getting the a-keys over the a4? (if you have experience with the two, no shops around me have them)
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>>48146733
If you've got the dosh, it's definitely an upgrade. Individual outs aside, having the integral keyboard makes sequencing a little bit easier. Hold down step, press keys, the notes for that step are lighted. Yes it works the same with an external keyboard, but you don't get the LEDs. Unless you're going used, I'd probably stick with the AK. Used you could probably find the desktop version for 900-1000, so it'd be quite a bit cheaper.
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