let the synthies hit the floor
I just recently finished my new album.
It's full of 80's synth galore.
Does anyone have experience with the roland sp series? When cobtroll it from midi, will it pause when recording/saving a sample? I want to see if i can use it as a looper ro save space and money.
Still moving stuff around but this is a config I am quite liking at the moment. As soon as I can get my 2i4 working again I can post some recordings or something.
>When cobtroll it from midi, will it pause when recording/saving a sample?
fuck I was tired when typing that.When I have a controller plugged into it, can I save a midi sequence as a sample without lag, or with little enough lag to do it live during a song?
i can never even finish a damn song.
guys how the fuck do i make a sikkk instrumental
i have the drums going good and a simple synthesizer going on in the back but now I don't really know how to progress it
i use garageband, I just can't find a good bassline at all and I have no clue how they get those simple 1hit hi hat sounds in hip hop songs
I have a specific model i've been searching far and wide for, I have about $110 saved up, I need at least another $100 to get them. I don't mind buying used either. Do you have any recommendations?
though my alternative choice were these small box like monitors that i've heard many good things about, can't recall the name though.
this is a nice plugin
I have two tapes that have some loops and stuff one of them only has it on part of it that I want to finish and re-dub.
Tape is really cheap I found a few stacks of unused decent tape at garage sales and when I bought this the guy gave me five reels of unused tape.
I usually use it for saturation or tape delay and I have a lot of neat experiments I want to use it for in the future.
It is definitely not completely necessary but I like having at around.
Really need an answer to this question, since I'm confused by the whole in/out shit with synths:
If I get a Microbrute and a Pulse 2, can the MB control the P2? Like, if I just had those two, an outlet to power them and some speakers, could I play them together (since the MB has a keyboard)?
Hey /mu/, I'm just starting to get into synths.
I don't have a massive budget and I'm wanting to make stuff similar to New-Wave (specifically Tears for Fears), just updated/less cheesy.
Is the ESQ-1 a good one to start with? Thoughts on it?
Yeah they would be wonderful for new-wave. They definitely sound a bit harsh at times but they are a dream to program and the keyboard is just great.
Here's some good demos of it but they only scratch the surface of the neat shit you could do.
$900 for a laptop - used for mostly bleep production.
Macbook w/ Logic
PC w/ FL Studio.
Which to get?
Well you can back up patches to your computer if you use a midi interface to dump the sysex or you can record them on tape I believe.
The cartridges are pretty expensive. If you can score an SQ-80 they can save patches to floppies.
As for the patches it takes time to make them but they really are a dream to use. You can easily route modulation to just about anything including expression pedals the modwheel or anything really. They really are quite nice to use.
I'd say get either that or a dx7
Hmmm, thanks. I'll look into it, that might work I'll have to do some research into the specs tho. I guess you just get the right cord with a mini connector on both sides, and hook them together?
NEW WAVE REVIVAL 2016
IS THERE HOPE?
i do. i haven't been able to finish a song all year, and i've been trying to get back into music by learning max, but it's taking a while.
i'm not lazy, i just lose faith in everything that i make. it seems like more of a self esteem issue than laziness. everything seems hopeless.
>i'm not lazy, i just lose faith in everything that i make. it seems like more of a self esteem issue than laziness. everything seems hopeless.
i havn't finshed a track in over 7 months probably.
>i'm not lazy, i just lose faith in everything that i make. it seems like more of a self esteem issue than laziness. everything seems hopeless.
Man I do the same thing. I usually end up just deleting everything I make.
I was hoping to get a nice little 2-piece setup that I could use live and fit in a backpack, since the microbrute is small and has keys, but also has a nice analog synth attached.
Unfortunately, I don't think the MB can control other synths. I don't know why the fuck they decided to leave out the MIDI Out, I guess because they thought it'd fuck over the MiniBrute sales? Kinda sucks.
Also, not being USB-powered is important (so dunno if there's a MIDI Box that you could plug into an outlet), I want a setup that doesn't require a laptop and can all fit in a backpack. I liked the microbrute 'cause it was small, cheap, but powerful. And the Pulse 2 doesn't have keys.
Getting just a controller seems kinda lame, and many are USB-powered. I may just have to spend the extra $200 and get the MiniBrute instead (though the special addition [SE] looks nice with the step sequencer)
my music got a 10/10 BNM
you forgot to add my post number >>48113090
I finally caved in and got myself a SoundCloud. I don't think you'll ever get SC popular when you aren't an EDM producer but here's my sometimes slightly /bleep/y stuff
Cleaned up the mix on 2 songs, wish I would have a possibility to play these songs live though :<
you gotta believe
it has CV out, and I think there are modules that convert CV to MIDI from Doepfer. also rumour has it that korg are discontinuing the MicroKorg and gonna replace it with an analog key synth
but you can't look be looking at 'analogue or not' synths, if you want a poly then look for polys, if you want a mono look for monos. you have to really decide what you want. analogue is nice and everything but it doesn't have any functional benefits so you may be limiting yourself.
Guys... help me...
I can't decide between the mono synths under a grand with DCO's vs. VCO's. I keep reading forums about "cold" and "precise" vs. "warm" and "alive", yet VCO's tend to have fewer features and/or cost more...
FFFFFFFFFFFFF- WHAT DO I GET?!? Some people say it matters and that you need VCO's, some people say it doesn't, I'm so fucking confused guys... fuck.
Logic has nice synths, but ultimately is no better than ableton. Learn to use ableton and you're set to go. The main benefit to mac in the music world is firewire/thunderbolt since usb streams data in packets which causes problems with midi input.
You got used to it. And that dude's screenshot ain't that messy.
>tfw into sampling
>join the based generative electronics side
i've been trying. again, i'm learning max, but it's difficult. i did make a shitty little generative jam with some m4l plugins, but it didn't really turn out how i would have liked.
it looks messy after switching to ableton live a couple of years ago.
esq is legit as fuck but you have to be able to put with the faults of an older synth
When the battery dies it whipes the memory and all you have is a single patch nothing else is left
>tfw everyone is working with modern DAWs and you're stuck with an old version of Sonar
>what did you envision?
i was hoping for something that would generate music based on a root rhythm, or a set of rhythms, but the plugins could only generate midi events at random, switching between different note lengths. that's why i'm learning max myself. instead of using plugins.
what the shit is this
>generate music based on a root rhythm, or a set of rhythms
oh word! researching that similar area. the visual programming started bugging me early on but then I found that you can interface Max with Java and so I started writing my modules in that
>I found that you can interface Max with Java and so I started writing my modules in that
wow, i was unaware of that. does it change the way max works, or do you still have to learn all the commands?
That doesn't help as all I've got is youtube demos, not the real thing...
Is VCO osc drift really THAT important? I was interested by the last thread that talked about the waldorf pulse 2, but it has DCO's so I'm not sure if it'd be better to get the MS-20 mini, Minitaur or Slim Phatty instead?
Definitely want at least 2 osc's
why do they have microphones attached to them? what do the mics do? i only have experience with '80s equipment, and i haven't done much research on microkorg, but it's pretty annoying seeing those mics sticking out like that.
>do you still have to learn all the commands?
depends on what you want to do. I have the java modules set to send bangs to other stuff (midi output, sound generation) but the generative meat is all embedded in the java bits.
The program files folder for Max should have a \java-doc directory with an api, patch examples, and an html tutorial
>Synth is the best thing to come out of the 80s
I'm new to production. I could buy a tx81z for like 60 euros. is it worth it? I know it only has 4 operators, so does it have particular quality a vst like fm8 can't offer, in terms of sound? I want to do mainly drone/ambient stuff.
John Frusciante uses Renoise, I tried but it was ugly/confusing as fuck.
Thanks. Want i want to know is: despite having less operators, being it hardware, has it some "magic" over an advanced synth as fm8?(being it digital, i know it's less likely).
i barely have an idea what I'm doing
how do i write things in 16ths, 24ths etc?
i like the workflow of tx81z but i'm not typical, most people find it tedious
the sound of old yamahas is slightly better for me, but it's less perfect by modern standards, being at a lower bitrate
it gives everything more bite and edge
i would say get it but be prepared for a slight learning curve with the interface
there is probably a computer based editor for it tho
microkorgs are quite bad
Hey guys, I'm would like to buy my first Midi Controller but I'm stuck on which one I'd like. So far my too options that I liked best are the:
>Akai Professional MPK Mini-25
>Akai Professional LPK 25
Both are good prices, 25 keys, and I think have velocity sensitive keys.
>Which do you think I should get?
well guys, theyre cheap as fuck for their versatility. Has a decent vocoder, has a super clean sound, thin sounding i guess but then again does everything have to sound super phat? They really are work horses and easy to bring around and fuck around with. The microkorg being so popular has introduced a lot of people to synthesis if thats a good or bad thing i dont know, but im sure there are tons that just use the presets. Its cooler to have a microbrute obviously but synth geeks always snicker at cheap, popular synths and its kinda juvenile. Dont be snobs.
>clunky layout and stupid tiny keys
>not enough routing options in the matrix
honestly its really just an underwhelming synth. if someone wants a small hardware keyboard synth theres other things to choose from that i would say are way better like a k station or a micron
I have an MS-20, it's great. You can get some crazy noises experimenting with that patch bay and the filters are fantastic. You can get an aggressively abrasive sound from pushing the resonance (peak) to their limit. If you like tinkering and strange fx you'll love it. It's great for techno and early industrial sorta stuff.
well im not sure its so much of a demand but more they make sure people new to the world of these kind of things see their stuff first. they often leave out features to make the stuff seem more user friendly
I dont think it would be economically wise for a company to release something elaborate and not user friendly, costly to make, and sell it for cheap. Look at the sh-101. Its super simple and really easy to grasp but has a really cool rubbery kind of sound to it. Having super elaborate programming or synthesis fucks up workflow and producers tend to not like that.
Can anyone help me figure out my mini nova? I bought it as my first synth and I have no clue how to program it. I wish I bought an 80's synth. Also, is it dumb to program it on a macbook air? I was trained classically. I've studied music theory and I play piano and accordion, but I love indie music so I'm trying to synth. I'm s bad with technology, though. I love hip hop so I'd love to learn production as well.
i didnt mean super elaborate. the micro korg has the most shit modulation routing options, no latch button, volcas dont have midi out or through,shit like that. really basic stuff.
those things. the small synths i mentioned about that cost the same as a microkorg have them, even older korg stuff like the ea and er1's have more options than a volca beats and they are like 100 bucks. its just annoying that korg looked at where they could cut corners when selling stuff to people based on them being ignorant.
the korg volca series was funny because it was taunting roland all while selling for cheap, youre right about the electribe series though, those are really cool and are just gaining popularity even though theyre kinda ugly. Volca beats is cool just for its appearance, its bass drum and programming imo.
So I'm looking into getting my first synth and I have some questions and concerns.
First, I would strongly prefer an analog synth, but barring that, analog filters.
Second, I would like polyphony/paraphony (even if it's only two voices) but it's not a dealbreaker at all if I can't get that.
Third, I'm mostly going to use this to make drone and noise recordings, so the weirder the synth, the better.
Fourth, my friend has a few synths with a "randomize" button on it. This is a very appealing feature that I'd love to get, but once again, not a dealbreaker.
The most important thing is that it will actually tickle my thick, bassy drone needs. I want it to be able to generate interesting and usable sounds so that I don't just give up on synths altogether (I play bass and this is my first foray into creating electronic music even though I listen to quite a lot of it).
I've poked around and the Nova Bassstation II and the Arturia Minibrute seem to be strong beginner synths, but I've heard that the Minibrute has had some shoddy manufacturing lately. I've also used a Korg MS-20 Mini and was pretty impressed, but I'm wondering if that might be a little much for a beginner synth. On the other hand, I'd really love to just dive right in a get a strong synth right away, and the $600 price tag is totally doable.
Any advice? Thanks in advance.
See parts 31 thru 41:
>Practical Percussion Synthesis
>Synthesizing Drums: The Bass Drum
>Practical Bass Drum Synthesis
>Synthesizing Drums: The Snare Drum
>Practical Snare Drum Synthesis
>Analysing Metallic Percussion
>Synthesizing Realistic Cymbals
>Practical Cymbal Synthesis
>Synthesizing Cowbells & Claves
quite the opposite.
Trackers were used before GUI Daws and piano rolls.
Piano rolls are quicker and easier and visually orientated.
trackers are obsolete.
you can do the same shit with fl studio that you can do in renoise. but they have different workflows were renoise is qwerty keyboard heavy and fl studio is utilized with point and click.
oh man this is really good, i like it a lot actually
please point me to similar bands, i really like the sound of the vocals and the thick guitar drowning everything (this is not like my bloody valentine, the valentine are much more...idk, i really like that "ON ICE" part, its like in your face i guess?)
Finally got my x0xb0x. Now I want some kind of drum machine or sampler, I've been looking at Electribe ESX because I like the style of it but not 100% for on the choice. Still looking for anything that is relatively cheap but good.
GUYS HELP ME
What drum machine/vst can I use to get that delicious sound in the beginning?
Nothing in the FL Presets sounds good.
Hell, ANYTHING from that album - what did they use?
Probably one of these will have a similar sound set.
Not sure what drum machine it is, but music in the 80s was recorded to tape which colored the sound of everything so you might want to try using something to simulate tape saturation on a few drum samples.
hey guys, loving these threads and how popular they're getting, keep it up!
that said, i'm new to all of this shit: can someone please explain to me why people are so crazy about analogs over digital synths? particularly VCO's? is it really that big of a difference?
i've got a budget of $1000, though I'd prefer to spend less than that. i want to get just ONE analog synth to do everything i need, though mainly bass. pulse 2 looks interesting but idk what's the difference between DCO and VCO or if it matters. same with the bass station II. minibrute only has 1 VCO but costs as much as the bsII which has 2 DCO's and a bunch of other additional features, including saving patches and 2 different filters. seems like the bsII has more stuff for less money but is still analog, so what gives?
all you need is an 8-track, or even just a regular tape deck and an rca-3.5mm adapter. the difficult part is you can't erase it or edit the tape, so you have to record onto a new tape every time you add an effect. unless you're recording the tape onto your daw just for the drums.
>mfw the microbrute has no midi out
Does anyone even use Reason anymore? I love the modulation and sound design options to death but fuck is the Reason layout pure fucking shit. They really need to clean up that interface.
hey guyzz, I already know the basics of Ableton Live, and I have a couple of songs that I'm proud of.
However, in every producer threaad, there are loads of talks about plugins, different routing methods, gear, shit like that
My question is, how do I go from basic Ableton knowledge to learning more about the effects, how to use them, the routing, etc?
first of all, the majority of the analog synths youre gonna be able to get new for under a thousand dollars are monophonic, meaning they can only play one note at a time (no chords). you might be able to find something vintage that is polyphonic, like maybe an alpha juno 2 or a poly 800 (not really that good though). the bass station II, the micro/minibrute, the MS-20 are all monophonic, so they wont do everything you want.
the difference between a DCO (digitally controlled oscillator) and a VCO (voltage controlled oscillator) is that a DCO is an analog oscillator that has it's frequency controlled by a digital controller, while the VCO is all analog, where the frequency is controlled by an analog circuit. the DCO is still an analog oscillator, it just is more stable and doesnt have the "drift" that VCO's do, which some people say adds character to an analog sound.
for reference, all of the roland juno keyboards have DCO's, but those are still some of the most popular analog boards. its really not something to be too worried about.
now analog versus digital is a matter of opinion. regardless of what others say, analog does sound different that digital, and very few digital synths have been able to capture the analog sound. as to which is better, thats a matter of preference. it depends on what type of sound youre going for. one is not better than the other, there are some digital synths out there that are some of the best boards you can get (the nord lead series comes to mind).
but in the end, it all comes down to personal preference. hope that helps.
The whole point was to use the two together with no laptop for live performance, that would require a computer =/
I'm basically looking for a cheap analog synth with at least 1 VCO and a keyboard that has MIDI Out. Mini keys are fine, it just has to have keys since the pulse 2 has nothing to play it with. And, again, no computer, just 2 pieces of equipment (3 if you count the ER-1 I'm gonna get :).
thanks for the response, really appreciate it. monophonic is fine, mostly want it for bass (and maybe leads) anyways, since i otherwise do drums and guitar. plus i can always multitrack that shit in the studio.
DCO vs. VCO doesn't sound like that big of a deal so i think i'd rather get 2 DCO's instead of 1 VCO, but
>waveshaping, oscillator core, and amplitude
wat? please explain, or link me to a good online article or something, i have no idea wtf this means in terms of analog shit
DCOs decrease in amplitude as frequency increases. There's a in compensation, but it's not linear. A VCO has linear amplitude across all frequencies.
A DCO outputs in the range of microvolts. Some VCOs operate up to 10v peak to peak. This affects filter characteristics, namely distortion/saturation.
As for waveshaping, DCOs are a square core that can be waveshaped to other waveforms.
VCOs are either saw core or triangle core depending on the circuit and respond to modulation in different ways. They also use different waveshaping methods than each other and DCOs.
All of this affects "the sound" in some way.
>tfw literally have my entire album organized and outlined in a line item list but too much anxiety to start sequencing
any /bleep/ brethren dealing with this? how the fuck do you get over it?
yeah. i work with samples and i have all the samples organized down into tracks and key, but i still have a shitload of anxiety to put shit down on the timeline. i've been making music for 7 years and i still deal with an irrational fear of failure.
>being anxious about laying things down in the timeline
i can see having anxiety over making a recording of your performance because if you fuck up you have to start all over again but m8 it's just placing stuff in the timeline what's the worst that could happen
>what's the worst that could happen
i can actually hear the ideas and realize they were complete shit to begin with and that i'm a failure as a musician and i should just work at starbucks for the rest of my life?
yeah i know, like i said i've been doing music for quite some time, and despite the fact that i've developed a process that works for me, i still have a really hard time dealing with the disconnect between the idea in my head and what it actually sounds like. just in my personality i guess.
Quiet? Couldn't you just boost the volume?
Also wouldn't that be more reliant on the VCA? Like, the Pulse 2 has 3 DCO's but the amp and filter are both VC (VCA and VCF). Oscillator is just what determines the waveform, no?
I mean, I love the way the Pulse 2 sounds and all of the really awesome modulation options, but I really really want to understand this shit before I actually drop the $800 on it.
>i still have a really hard time dealing with the disconnect between the idea in my head and what it actually sounds like
it helps to not develop "ideas in your head", but instead learn to play with your instruments, synths, and samples and simply work with the sounds you've got. Like changing synth parameters until you find something you like, and then working with it. It's a lot easier than trying to actually recreate sounds you hear in your head. Instead, just work with what you come up with via experimenting.
That said: you can also learn to beatbox. I learned naturally just because my subconscious constantly comes up with new music whether I want it to or not. I'll often have my ipod on me and I'll record beatboxed drum beats I've imagined and really like, and hum like, the bass or the general chord progression, and then I'll listen to that in the studio as I make a song. You could try that.
Also, I mean... there's always weed. Coffee and weed is all you need, man. It's the perfect cure for writer's block. Vape it or eat it, and get a sativa or hybrid strain if possible. You want a head high.
If you live in the U.S. lots of states have it decriminalized or have relatively easy to get medical MJ. Check your local laws. If you live in the bible belt you're probably fucked, but oh well.
Listen, I tried elaborating, and you asked me to dumb it down. I'm not sure what you really want here. They behave different, and if you just did a little bit if reading, you could have found that out by now.
Anyone know how to fill the space in between tracks?.. i have a lot of instruments in my track but its all still sounds really flat. I'ml new to production so i'm still learning how to do some things!
...can the sampler be a drum machine, tho?
I mean, I want something for drums for my live setup, idk which would be better for the purpose. Like, you could load in drum samples right? Or is it really not for the purpose?
Has anyone bought one of those entry level ($100-250) tube preamps and ran their tracks / equipment through it? I've thought of getting one just to give a little more character to my tracks.
Reason 7. I tried Ableton and Fl Studio before that and i was super comfortable with Reason the first time i tried it so i stayed with it, but like i said its all personal preference.
imo I'd get the ES-1 over the ER-1. The ER-1 has a really weak snare and it would get to a point where you can't get any new sounds out of it, while you can sample literally anything with the ES-1 and theoretically never run into the problem where everything sounds samey.
Anyone have any comments about this plugin? Monark for Reaktor.
Guys, I want to get into bleeproductions ! Help me plz !
>What do I need to get started ?
A Midi-Key probably, but how many keys are really needed ? 49 or 61 ? Should I get a plain one or one with faders, drum pads etc. ? Any recommendations ? I'm a student, so I'm broke as fuck, gimme something good but inexpensive!
What DAW to use ? I want something which can do various things like EDM, Hip Hop and other beat-oriented music ... Any suggenstions ? Preferably MacOS based, but Windows okay as well.
Any good studiospeakers in the 50-200€ range ? Or do my normal headphones do the job as well for the beginning (sennheiser hd 419) ?
Should I get anything else for the start ? Pre Amp for guitar and bass recordings ? A drum-machine or some VSTs or something like NI Complete ? (tho it's expensive as fuck ;()
I'll get my midiverb 1 in a few days.
Also had the sony mp5 for a while. Best.Effects Unit. Ever. Even beats the Eventide big ass ones in some points.
Its doing more work here than the Casio
For now anyways, I process using Ableton and sometimes supercollider codes. Also tape loops, easy to calculate delay.
Only thing I'd reccomend is a nice little midi controller with faders and pads, you'll most likely not going to type notes in manually with that kind of music. Further a headphone amp with proper pressure, pc output is too shitty in most cases. Pirate Ableton/Flstudio/Cubase, work with them, buy the one you like if you're into karma.
Also I'm bored, doing max 12 Characters names in the SQ 80's beautiful display if anyone wants
Guys. I think we should work on a pasta with useful information for the OP in these threads. We seem to be getting a lot more new users and they all come here asking things like "What is the best DAW(for x type of music)?" or "I want to become a producer, but I have no talent, what do?"
Ah thats awesome. I've seen a few relatively cheap maybe I should pick one up and give it a shot.
As for midiverbs I got two broken ones for free and finally found some power supplies for them. Was able to repair 2/3.
How'd you manage that photo? It's really neat. I've always wanted to print stuff on my esq-1 display.
Holy shit 3? They're hella rare here in germany, aswell as mp5's can you get me a spare one if you find like 2? I'd even take taxes and all shit for one (if you meant the sony, not the casio)
Also pic is just long time exposure (Night mode on my cam)
Do it, yamaha FM's are damn rad.
Also this is by far the best librarian on PC I've ever used:
How do I make bleeps like Eomac and Gesloten Cirkel?
If I get this third one fixed I'd be happy to rid of it. As for the mp5 I passed up on it because I did not know much about it. Saw one for 90 bucks on craigslist.
These original midiverbs are fairly common here but the power supplies are IMPOSSIBLE to find if you don't manage to get one with your unit. I also have a midiverb 2 but that is still broken.
Also what kind of camera? I've been lusting over an entry level DSLR for years. That new pic I took I had to color balance so bad because my phone camera is so shitty.
You talking about the trumpet? I would start with a square wave and put it through multiple filters, first one would be a 12db/o low pass filter with high resonance and some attack, then send it through a band reject filter to remove the mids and then a 24db/o high pass filter at something like 500/600hz. Also put some saturation on there.
That's my shot in the dark.
It's a 50€ canon lol, opposite of fancy basically.
As far as i know its a +/0/- power supply, I see what you mean, though a modular/fi railed one could work, I'll have a look inside mine anyways
its 2k14, get that trumpet dry, look at the wavefrom, make single, less harmonic splits of that in some additive synth/maybe FM and map thoses mix to velocity