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I just recently finished my new album.
It's full of 80's synth galore.

https://superlust.bandcamp.com/album/subaru-magic-basic-4

Does anyone have experience with the roland sp series? When cobtroll it from midi, will it pause when recording/saving a sample? I want to see if i can use it as a looper ro save space and money.

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Still moving stuff around but this is a config I am quite liking at the moment. As soon as I can get my 2i4 working again I can post some recordings or something.

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Synth paddle bump

What's with SoundCloud and their stupid share bots? Why can't SC take care of that

>>48106330
Because they generate ad revenue

>>48104545
>When cobtroll it from midi, will it pause when recording/saving a sample?
fuck I was tired when typing that.When I have a controller plugged into it, can I save a midi sequence as a sample without lag, or with little enough lag to do it live during a song?

bumparump

anyone have or tested out an Analog Four?

any you guys have writers block?

thinking about getting some monitors since i use headphoens but then again I was thinking of getting a native instruments machine. what's more important?

>>48107660
Maschine might be nice if you have a specific use in mind, if you don't then you could wait on getting one till you get more important things

>>48107708
yea I can already picture the buyers remorse from getting the machine, I think i'll just continue searching fro a good deal fro the monitors

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>>48107647

i can never even finish a damn song.

>>48107866

what kind are you thinking?

guys how the fuck do i make a sikkk instrumental
i have the drums going good and a simple synthesizer going on in the back but now I don't really know how to progress it

i use garageband, I just can't find a good bassline at all and I have no clue how they get those simple 1hit hi hat sounds in hip hop songs

>>48108284
I have a specific model i've been searching far and wide for, I have about $110 saved up, I need at least another $100 to get them. I don't mind buying used either. Do you have any recommendations?

though my alternative choice were these small box like monitors that i've heard many good things about, can't recall the name though.

>>48108317

get a better DAW, like Logic

>>48107647
Nope. That's an excuse lazy people use.

could someone direct me to a studio tour vid going into detail about how their studio works

>>48109592
Watch the studio tour with legowelt. His tour was hilarious and he is a funny dude.

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Sure is quiet round here

so i been away for awhile. these threads just the old synth fetish threads or are there actually people who take making bleeps seriously in here now?

>>48110673
a lil bit of both

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this is a nice plugin

>>48110728
yeah but it doesnt have a dedicated controller made of wood so i dont care

>>48110725
scene. i might pop in once in awhile when i'm feeling useful.

>>48105711
how often do you record to tape? can you even afford it?

>>48107660
acoustics are the most important part of a studio, so monitors

>>48110885
I have two tapes that have some loops and stuff one of them only has it on part of it that I want to finish and re-dub.

Tape is really cheap I found a few stacks of unused decent tape at garage sales and when I bought this the guy gave me five reels of unused tape.

I usually use it for saturation or tape delay and I have a lot of neat experiments I want to use it for in the future.

It is definitely not completely necessary but I like having at around.

>>48111142
yea that's what I'm thinking. I can't wait to hear the difference

What are some piano and brass VSTs that don't sound cheesy and shallow?

>>48111232
what piano vst are you currently using?

>>48111303
Iowa Piano

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Really need an answer to this question, since I'm confused by the whole in/out shit with synths:

If I get a Microbrute and a Pulse 2, can the MB control the P2? Like, if I just had those two, an outlet to power them and some speakers, could I play them together (since the MB has a keyboard)?

>>48112438
Pulse 2 seems to have no CV or Gate In so I guess not.

Maybe there's a trick to enable this kind of control when you plug the MB to the Ext In jack, I dunno

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Hey /mu/, I'm just starting to get into synths.
I don't have a massive budget and I'm wanting to make stuff similar to New-Wave (specifically Tears for Fears), just updated/less cheesy.

Is the ESQ-1 a good one to start with? Thoughts on it?

>>48112438
Microbrute has no midi out

>>48112521
ESQ-1 is a great 80's synth. But it has enough stuff to make modern sounds with, too

>>48112521
Yeah they would be wonderful for new-wave. They definitely sound a bit harsh at times but they are a dream to program and the keyboard is just great.

Here's some good demos of it but they only scratch the surface of the neat shit you could do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2V0c3gPb2Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncIoh2CP3Lc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLVNAnzDhR4

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Hey guys

$900 for a laptop - used for mostly bleep production.

Macbook w/ Logic
PC w/ FL Studio.

Which to get?

>>48112529

Yeah, but the minibrute does.

I'm so fucking angry right now >:|

I don't think any other small analog synths exist in that price range tho, wtf am I gonna do, fuuuucckk

Have anyone done live performance stuff before?

>>48112568
For a beginner, how hard is it to make those neat ass patches?

And are cartridges obsolete?

>>48112581
I think the Microbrute's USB port can send MIDI messages

>>48112591
Easier than you think.

And yes, they became obsolete in the 1990's.

>>48112581

Bleh, I might just get an Alesis Micron since that has MIDI Out. VA instead of true analog, but still...

>>48112591
Well you can back up patches to your computer if you use a midi interface to dump the sysex or you can record them on tape I believe.

The cartridges are pretty expensive. If you can score an SQ-80 they can save patches to floppies.

As for the patches it takes time to make them but they really are a dream to use. You can easily route modulation to just about anything including expression pedals the modwheel or anything really. They really are quite nice to use.

I'd say get either that or a dx7

>>48112625

Hmmm, thanks. I'll look into it, that might work I'll have to do some research into the specs tho. I guess you just get the right cord with a mini connector on both sides, and hook them together?

>>48112628
Just get a small MIDI keyboard + a MIDI box for the 2 anal logs or something.

>>48112640
Yea I was looking into the DX7 and the ESQ-1 just appeals to me more, plus on the average it's cheaper.

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NEW WAVE REVIVAL 2016

IS THERE HOPE?

>>48112794
Better than commercial EDM, HA!!!

>>48112818
I do like SHM/Axwell/Sebastian Ingrosso (they're more House though) though.

>>48112571
>mac
lmfao

>>48112438
you can always route the midi through your DAW, I'm sure Ableton will let you but I haven't properlly gone into MIDI with other DAWs.

>>48112794
>what was chillwave
it's all about the 90s now

>>48112628
seems like a strange alternative to the Microbrute... they're worlds apart synths

>>48112985
>chillwave
literally nothing like new wave

>>48107647
i do. i haven't been able to finish a song all year, and i've been trying to get back into music by learning max, but it's taking a while.

>>48108461
i'm not lazy, i just lose faith in everything that i make. it seems like more of a self esteem issue than laziness. everything seems hopeless.

>>48105711
post your music

>>48111232
Alicia's keys is probably the best piano.

>>48113159
You first

>>48113159
Like I said in that post as soon as I get my 2i4 working I'll post some recordings.

Plus my stuff sucks you probably wont like it anyways.

>>48113159
>>48113233

We should all post our music

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mfw working on pop masterpiece

>>48113392
ok

https://soundcloud.com/mailey/uvb-76

>i'm not lazy, i just lose faith in everything that i make. it seems like more of a self esteem issue than laziness. everything seems hopeless.

this x10000

i havn't finshed a track in over 7 months probably.

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>>48113439
>i'm not lazy, i just lose faith in everything that i make. it seems like more of a self esteem issue than laziness. everything seems hopeless.

Man I do the same thing. I usually end up just deleting everything I make.

>>48113025

I was hoping to get a nice little 2-piece setup that I could use live and fit in a backpack, since the microbrute is small and has keys, but also has a nice analog synth attached.

Unfortunately, I don't think the MB can control other synths. I don't know why the fuck they decided to leave out the MIDI Out, I guess because they thought it'd fuck over the MiniBrute sales? Kinda sucks.

Also, not being USB-powered is important (so dunno if there's a MIDI Box that you could plug into an outlet), I want a setup that doesn't require a laptop and can all fit in a backpack. I liked the microbrute 'cause it was small, cheap, but powerful. And the Pulse 2 doesn't have keys.

Getting just a controller seems kinda lame, and many are USB-powered. I may just have to spend the extra $200 and get the MiniBrute instead (though the special addition [SE] looks nice with the step sequencer)

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>>48113392
my music got a 10/10 BNM
drillkicker.bandcamp.com

>>48113439
you forgot to add my post number >>48113090

>>48113392
>>48113431

I finally caved in and got myself a SoundCloud. I don't think you'll ever get SC popular when you aren't an EDM producer but here's my sometimes slightly /bleep/y stuff

https://soundcloud.com/danielkostuj/sets/funf-frivolitaten

Cleaned up the mix on 2 songs, wish I would have a possibility to play these songs live though :<

>>48113439
>>48113459

you gotta believe

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Working on some Hardtechno

>>48113553
FL Studio looks so ugly with all those envelopes in separate tracks and all the bits mixed up in the same tracks like that. it's so messy.

>>48113536
that url bar and spotify

I hope you left them on purpose

>>48113489
it has CV out, and I think there are modules that convert CV to MIDI from Doepfer. also rumour has it that korg are discontinuing the MicroKorg and gonna replace it with an analog key synth

but you can't look be looking at 'analogue or not' synths, if you want a poly then look for polys, if you want a mono look for monos. you have to really decide what you want. analogue is nice and everything but it doesn't have any functional benefits so you may be limiting yourself.

Guys... help me...

I can't decide between the mono synths under a grand with DCO's vs. VCO's. I keep reading forums about "cold" and "precise" vs. "warm" and "alive", yet VCO's tend to have fewer features and/or cost more...

FFFFFFFFFFFFF- WHAT DO I GET?!? Some people say it matters and that you need VCO's, some people say it doesn't, I'm so fucking confused guys... fuck.

>>48113392
https://soundcloud.com/ryunocore/80-glitch-mob-bass/s-JspyX
I started making this in between jobs yesterday or so. The saw comes from 3xOSC.

>>48113615
Just get what sounds good yo

>>48113594
>I hope you left them on purpose
nope, this is a completely legit screenshot. go to the url yourself, it's real.

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>>48113646

>>48112571
Logic has nice synths, but ultimately is no better than ableton. Learn to use ableton and you're set to go. The main benefit to mac in the music world is firewire/thunderbolt since usb streams data in packets which causes problems with midi input.

>>48107647
>>48108270
>>48113090
join the based generative electronics side
>>48113553
>hardtechno
>vengeance essential endustrial 3
ew

>>48113693
Abelton > FL Studio ????

>>48113697
>join the based generative electronics side

b-but how

>>48113735
yes

>>48113693
>logic has nice synths

that's debatable

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>>48113579
>messy
You got used to it. And that dude's screenshot ain't that messy.
>tfw into sampling

>>48113697
>join the based generative electronics side
i've been trying. again, i'm learning max, but it's difficult. i did make a shitty little generative jam with some m4l plugins, but it didn't really turn out how i would have liked.

>>48113759
learn max/msp

>>48113797
it looks messy after switching to ableton live a couple of years ago.

>>48112521
esq is legit as fuck but you have to be able to put with the faults of an older synth

When the battery dies it whipes the memory and all you have is a single patch nothing else is left

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>tfw everyone is working with modern DAWs and you're stuck with an old version of Sonar

>>48113797
it looks 90s/early2000s as fuck

>>48113900
Just pireate and upgrade, yo.

>>48113759
max msp is a GOAT entry point
>>48113826
>but it didn't really turn out how i would have liked
what did you envision?

>>48113910
not nearly as bad as cubase, protools, or reason

>>48113926
But... ma conscience.....

But seriously, maybe I should get Sonar X1 for my laptop

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>>48113970
dude

>>48113945
>what did you envision?
i was hoping for something that would generate music based on a root rhythm, or a set of rhythms, but the plugins could only generate midi events at random, switching between different note lengths. that's why i'm learning max myself. instead of using plugins.

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>>48114005
what the shit is this

>>48114005
wow, i just noticed how dated that looks. i don't even know how i didn't notice that back when i used it every day.

what daws did flatlander use to produce tms?

>>48113910
Yeah, and the funniest thing is that I still use FL since 2002.

check this dude, he's using some fucking ms-dos shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DrP3R1npu8

>>48114028
>generate music based on a root rhythm, or a set of rhythms
oh word! researching that similar area. the visual programming started bugging me early on but then I found that you can interface Max with Java and so I started writing my modules in that

Anyone have a Mininova? Would you recommend it over a Microkorg?

>>48114172
>I found that you can interface Max with Java and so I started writing my modules in that
wow, i was unaware of that. does it change the way max works, or do you still have to learn all the commands?

>>48114202
theyre pretty comparable. mininova will have better resale and it has a latch button though

>>48114202
It's better than the microkorg, but that's like saying eating mcdonalds is better than eating shit. Sure it's better than shit, but it's still mcdonalds

>>48113632

That doesn't help as all I've got is youtube demos, not the real thing...

Is VCO osc drift really THAT important? I was interested by the last thread that talked about the waldorf pulse 2, but it has DCO's so I'm not sure if it'd be better to get the MS-20 mini, Minitaur or Slim Phatty instead?

Definitely want at least 2 osc's

>>48114238
why do they have microphones attached to them? what do the mics do? i only have experience with '80s equipment, and i haven't done much research on microkorg, but it's pretty annoying seeing those mics sticking out like that.

>>48114287
Vocoder

>>48114287
they have vocoders in them. you can remove the mics/use other mics of you want though

>>48114287
The mics are there because the synths also function as vocoders. Vocoding vocals sounds cheesy but if you run percussive stuff through a vocoder it actually sounds p. neat

>>48114309
or run other synths through them

>>48114214
>do you still have to learn all the commands?
depends on what you want to do. I have the java modules set to send bangs to other stuff (midi output, sound generation) but the generative meat is all embedded in the java bits.

The program files folder for Max should have a \java-doc directory with an api, patch examples, and an html tutorial

>>48104434
Synth is the best thing to come out of the 80s

>>48114333
>80s
wut

>>48114333
jesse-smiles-before-eating-chicken-nugget.bmp

>>48114330
could you upload the interface you use? it would probably be very helpful.

>>48114333
Synthesizers, as you know them, came from the 60s. The one in the OP was from the 70s.

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>>48114333
>Synth is the best thing to come out of the 80s

>>48114350
80s synths are really good

>>48114376
that synth is from the early 70s. but yes, there are good 80s synths as well

>>48114350
>>48114351
>>48114358
>>48114363
Sorry guys I woke up not too long ago and still shaking the cobwebs loose.

I MEANT to say that 80s synth is best synth

I'm new to production. I could buy a tx81z for like 60 euros. is it worth it? I know it only has 4 operators, so does it have particular quality a vst like fm8 can't offer, in terms of sound? I want to do mainly drone/ambient stuff.

>>48114408
FM8 is modeled after the DX7, that has 6 operators.

TX81Z are more like a rack version of the DX11

>>48114408
for €60, it's definitely worth. i don't really know anything about fm synths, though, because they're really weird and not for me, so i don't know the difference.

i really love FM8
it's not exactly the same sound but it's so much fun, and i find new things in there easier than in a dx

>>48114202
Mininova sounds better and is two part mulitimbral (can play two different patches simultaneously with keyboard split or sequenced via MIDI), so yes it's better.

>>48114534
Oh sorry it's not multitimbral, I'm not sure where I got that idea. Still better than a Microkorg though.

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where mah renoise bros at

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>>48114715
John Frusciante uses Renoise, I tried but it was ugly/confusing as fuck.

>>48114471
>>48114423
>>48114472
Thanks. Want i want to know is: despite having less operators, being it hardware, has it some "magic" over an advanced synth as fm8?(being it digital, i know it's less likely).

>>48114809
like fm8* sorry for my english.

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>>48114715
i barely have an idea what I'm doing

how do i write things in 16ths, 24ths etc?

>>48114867
just curious, what the appeal of trackers in this day and age?

>>48114809
i like the workflow of tx81z but i'm not typical, most people find it tedious
the sound of old yamahas is slightly better for me, but it's less perfect by modern standards, being at a lower bitrate
it gives everything more bite and edge

i would say get it but be prepared for a slight learning curve with the interface
there is probably a computer based editor for it tho

>>48114285
>hating on microkorgs
hows summer break treating you so far?

>>48115012
wut. its the people that want a first synth that are often into microkorgs. they do what they do but theyre pretty underwhelming synths. certainly overhyped

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>>48115012
microkorgs are quite bad

>>48115012
Are you trying to convince us or yourself that it's good?

>>48115091
Why?

>>48115091
>>48115074
Shit... I bought a microkorg about a year after I started messing around with producing.
I had fun with it but boy do I feel like a sheep now.

>>48115091
What about the MINIAK?

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Hey guys, I'm would like to buy my first Midi Controller but I'm stuck on which one I'd like. So far my too options that I liked best are the:

>Akai Professional MPK Mini-25
>Akai Professional LPK 25

Both are good prices, 25 keys, and I think have velocity sensitive keys.

>Which do you think I should get?

>>48115355
Fuck, not the MINIAK - I meant the MS20

>>48115296
it's only sheepy if you do sheepy stuff with it
there's plenty you can do with any synth besides whatever most people think you should use it for

>>48115074
>>48115091
>>48115139
well guys, theyre cheap as fuck for their versatility. Has a decent vocoder, has a super clean sound, thin sounding i guess but then again does everything have to sound super phat? They really are work horses and easy to bring around and fuck around with. The microkorg being so popular has introduced a lot of people to synthesis if thats a good or bad thing i dont know, but im sure there are tons that just use the presets. Its cooler to have a microbrute obviously but synth geeks always snicker at cheap, popular synths and its kinda juvenile. Dont be snobs.

>>48115249
>weak VA
>clunky layout and stupid tiny keys
>bland effects
>not enough routing options in the matrix
honestly its really just an underwhelming synth. if someone wants a small hardware keyboard synth theres other things to choose from that i would say are way better like a k station or a micron

>>48115296
its a nice place to start.

>>48115368
Can ANYONE help me?!

>>48115458
i could care less that its popular. korg has made some smart marketing choices, look at the volca series. there really are better options in the same price range >>48115490

>>48115376
I have an MS-20, it's great. You can get some crazy noises experimenting with that patch bay and the filters are fantastic. You can get an aggressively abrasive sound from pushing the resonance (peak) to their limit. If you like tinkering and strange fx you'll love it. It's great for techno and early industrial sorta stuff.

>>48114912
Ridiculously fast workflow.

>>48115547
They're polar opposites I guess, but I'm contemplating that or an ESQ-1

>>48115533
sure, korg understands theres a demand.

>>48115640
well im not sure its so much of a demand but more they make sure people new to the world of these kind of things see their stuff first. they often leave out features to make the stuff seem more user friendly

>>48115729
I dont think it would be economically wise for a company to release something elaborate and not user friendly, costly to make, and sell it for cheap. Look at the sh-101. Its super simple and really easy to grasp but has a really cool rubbery kind of sound to it. Having super elaborate programming or synthesis fucks up workflow and producers tend to not like that.

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Can anyone help me figure out my mini nova? I bought it as my first synth and I have no clue how to program it. I wish I bought an 80's synth. Also, is it dumb to program it on a macbook air? I was trained classically. I've studied music theory and I play piano and accordion, but I love indie music so I'm trying to synth. I'm s bad with technology, though. I love hip hop so I'd love to learn production as well.

>>48115091
lol that setup. Btw your sound is sterile as fuck lifeless and that's ok.

>>48115930
i didnt mean super elaborate. the micro korg has the most shit modulation routing options, no latch button, volcas dont have midi out or through,shit like that. really basic stuff.

>>48116065
>im trying to synth.
this thread is top notch.

>>48116065
making patches on an editor is just fine. honestly, read the manual and look up any terms you dont know.

>>48116110
>>48116114
Okay. Also, what kind of synth would you recommend for someone who is awful with technology?

>>48116086
they are $150 dollars what do you want.

>>48116156
korg monotron

>>48116177
those things. the small synths i mentioned about that cost the same as a microkorg have them, even older korg stuff like the ea and er1's have more options than a volca beats and they are like 100 bucks. its just annoying that korg looked at where they could cut corners when selling stuff to people based on them being ignorant.

These threads, man. Lmao. Still no one talking drums seriously. Errybody wanna keyboard and sum analogue oscillators Lmao. Probs get ur drums from vengeance packs.

>>48116203
Okay, thank ya.

>>48116304
yea cuz you totally can make drum sounds with a keyboard synth.....

>>48116255
the korg volca series was funny because it was taunting roland all while selling for cheap, youre right about the electribe series though, those are really cool and are just gaining popularity even though theyre kinda ugly. Volca beats is cool just for its appearance, its bass drum and programming imo.

>>48116333
Lmao, brerbrer, I don't know what u tryin to say but I think u missed my point neway.

>>48105711
Is the 2i4 necessary over the 2i2 to get your 106 and ESQ into your DAW? I've been looking for an audio/midi interface for a DX7 but I've heard mixed things

>>48116497
lol these questions. you could just use your 2i2 with a mixer dude.

Ay Lmao people still putting their thousand dolla synths through hundred dolla interfaces Lmao like record your Vsts through a webcam why don't u

>>48114322
oh shit poor mans modular

So I'm looking into getting my first synth and I have some questions and concerns.
First, I would strongly prefer an analog synth, but barring that, analog filters.
Second, I would like polyphony/paraphony (even if it's only two voices) but it's not a dealbreaker at all if I can't get that.
Third, I'm mostly going to use this to make drone and noise recordings, so the weirder the synth, the better.
Fourth, my friend has a few synths with a "randomize" button on it. This is a very appealing feature that I'd love to get, but once again, not a dealbreaker.

The most important thing is that it will actually tickle my thick, bassy drone needs. I want it to be able to generate interesting and usable sounds so that I don't just give up on synths altogether (I play bass and this is my first foray into creating electronic music even though I listen to quite a lot of it).

I've poked around and the Nova Bassstation II and the Arturia Minibrute seem to be strong beginner synths, but I've heard that the Minibrute has had some shoddy manufacturing lately. I've also used a Korg MS-20 Mini and was pretty impressed, but I'm wondering if that might be a little much for a beginner synth. On the other hand, I'd really love to just dive right in a get a strong synth right away, and the $600 price tag is totally doable.

Any advice? Thanks in advance.

>>48115091
what synth is that in front of you?

>>48116533
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>>48116083
samefag.
get the fuck out.,

>>48115406
hi, autechre

>>48116786
Chill brer three those are me don't know the rest think this writing style just contagious y'know

>>48116083
nah, i think it's pretty good. much better than most shit house that's being made these days.

>>48116875
never mind, i just got past the first song and it's pretty boring.

>>48113536
>drillkicker.bandcamp.com
shit sucks. theres no beats. just same shit. I can make this shit in 5 minutes.

>>48116918
>theres no beats

>>48113553
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>>48114118
I dont know why you guys use the playlist so goddamn much. I make songs in one pattern then line all my songs on the playlist.

>>48116304
>>48116333
http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/synsec/

See parts 31 thru 41:

>Synthesizing Percussion
>Practical Percussion Synthesis
>Synthesizing Drums: The Bass Drum
>Practical Bass Drum Synthesis
>Synthesizing Drums: The Snare Drum
>Practical Snare Drum Synthesis
>Analysing Metallic Percussion
>Synthesizing Realistic Cymbals
>Practical Cymbal Synthesis
>Synthesizing Bells
>Synthesizing Cowbells & Claves

>>48115558
quite the opposite.
Trackers were used before GUI Daws and piano rolls.
Piano rolls are quicker and easier and visually orientated.
trackers are obsolete.
you can do the same shit with fl studio that you can do in renoise. but they have different workflows were renoise is qwerty keyboard heavy and fl studio is utilized with point and click.

>>48116985
i can make your stupid synthsizer music in 5 minutes.

>>48117145
but you didn't, so it's irrelevant

>>48117145
Anybody can make stupid beats in 5 minutes

>>48114202
is this even a question? mininova is amazing. the arpeggiator is awesome, and it's just generally more versatile. plus the modwheels arent complete fucking garbage

>>48113549
>https://soundcloud.com/danielkostuj/sets/funf-frivolitaten

oh man this is really good, i like it a lot actually

please point me to similar bands, i really like the sound of the vocals and the thick guitar drowning everything (this is not like my bloody valentine, the valentine are much more...idk, i really like that "ON ICE" part, its like in your face i guess?)

Finally got my x0xb0x. Now I want some kind of drum machine or sampler, I've been looking at Electribe ESX because I like the style of it but not 100% for on the choice. Still looking for anything that is relatively cheap but good.

>>48113536
i wouldnt give it a 10, but it's definetly BNM for me, cool beans bro

ok guys I'm this close to buying an octatrack. Does anyone have any experience with it? I'm aware of the steep learning curve but this could really step my bleep game up I think

>>48118898
think yee. it isn't actually that new, though.

>>48118541
You can normally get Korg ER-1s on eBay for dirt cheap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM9q8NQTtu8

Good choice on the x0xb0x, they're lots of fun.

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GUYS HELP ME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OAH1wSYZNw

What drum machine/vst can I use to get that delicious sound in the beginning?
Nothing in the FL Presets sounds good.

Hell, ANYTHING from that album - what did they use?

>>48119536
>Nothing in the FL Presets sounds good.

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>>48119536
Probably one of these will have a similar sound set.

>>48119536
this is b8, right

>>48119645
nah
just incredibly novice

>>48119536
>>48119632

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCY-zBmd5Po

>>48119536
Not sure what drum machine it is, but music in the 80s was recorded to tape which colored the sound of everything so you might want to try using something to simulate tape saturation on a few drum samples.

>>48119670
oh, well at least you admit it, so i'm fine with that

>>48119699
How difficult is it to record on tape?

hey guys, loving these threads and how popular they're getting, keep it up!

that said, i'm new to all of this shit: can someone please explain to me why people are so crazy about analogs over digital synths? particularly VCO's? is it really that big of a difference?

i've got a budget of $1000, though I'd prefer to spend less than that. i want to get just ONE analog synth to do everything i need, though mainly bass. pulse 2 looks interesting but idk what's the difference between DCO and VCO or if it matters. same with the bass station II. minibrute only has 1 VCO but costs as much as the bsII which has 2 DCO's and a bunch of other additional features, including saving patches and 2 different filters. seems like the bsII has more stuff for less money but is still analog, so what gives?

i'm confused...

>>48119754
The actual recording part is easy, it's finding a cassette deck/reel to reel machine and some tape that's time consuming. I was talking about using a tape VST effect, though.

>>48119754
all you need is an 8-track, or even just a regular tape deck and an rca-3.5mm adapter. the difficult part is you can't erase it or edit the tape, so you have to record onto a new tape every time you add an effect. unless you're recording the tape onto your daw just for the drums.

>>48119837
>the difficult part is you can't erase it or edit the tape, so you have to record onto a new tape every time you add an effect.
u wot m8

tape can be overwritten without a problem

>>48119873
oh, i didn't know that. whenever i've tried to record over cassettes, it kept the original audio.

>>48105711
holy shit a new picture. looks clean m8. good job.

>>48119912
Your erase head is probably busted.

>>48119935
yeah, my cassette deck is garbage. whenever i start it up, one of the channels is silent, and i have to switch a bunch of stuff periodically to get stereo.

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>>48112438
>mfw the microbrute has no midi out

>>48113193
meh, NI has better shit than that though. At least personally, to me Alicia's Keys is cool but I like the depth of the giant and their other stuff

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>>48119979
>daisy chaining your synths

>>48118974
Anyone? Or any other elektron gear?

>>48113970

Does anyone even use Reason anymore? I love the modulation and sound design options to death but fuck is the Reason layout pure fucking shit. They really need to clean up that interface.

>>48120222
do it. my friend + music making partner has one and the possibilities are endless. you wont regret it.

hey guyzz, I already know the basics of Ableton Live, and I have a couple of songs that I'm proud of.

However, in every producer threaad, there are loads of talks about plugins, different routing methods, gear, shit like that

My question is, how do I go from basic Ableton knowledge to learning more about the effects, how to use them, the routing, etc?

>>48120285
I mean, all I know is how to drag different instruments, how to change the envolopes of them kind of, compression and EQing, but I want to expand. How do you guys do it?

>>48119810
first of all, the majority of the analog synths youre gonna be able to get new for under a thousand dollars are monophonic, meaning they can only play one note at a time (no chords). you might be able to find something vintage that is polyphonic, like maybe an alpha juno 2 or a poly 800 (not really that good though). the bass station II, the micro/minibrute, the MS-20 are all monophonic, so they wont do everything you want.

the difference between a DCO (digitally controlled oscillator) and a VCO (voltage controlled oscillator) is that a DCO is an analog oscillator that has it's frequency controlled by a digital controller, while the VCO is all analog, where the frequency is controlled by an analog circuit. the DCO is still an analog oscillator, it just is more stable and doesnt have the "drift" that VCO's do, which some people say adds character to an analog sound.

for reference, all of the roland juno keyboards have DCO's, but those are still some of the most popular analog boards. its really not something to be too worried about.

now analog versus digital is a matter of opinion. regardless of what others say, analog does sound different that digital, and very few digital synths have been able to capture the analog sound. as to which is better, thats a matter of preference. it depends on what type of sound youre going for. one is not better than the other, there are some digital synths out there that are some of the best boards you can get (the nord lead series comes to mind).

but in the end, it all comes down to personal preference. hope that helps.

>>48120362
Actually, the main differences between VCOs and DCOs is waveshaping, oscillator core, and amplitude. Drift is just yet another component.

>>48112972

The whole point was to use the two together with no laptop for live performance, that would require a computer =/

I'm basically looking for a cheap analog synth with at least 1 VCO and a keyboard that has MIDI Out. Mini keys are fine, it just has to have keys since the pulse 2 has nothing to play it with. And, again, no computer, just 2 pieces of equipment (3 if you count the ER-1 I'm gonna get :).

So I plugged my microbrute into my computer with a USB cable, and used it as a controller keyboard for my memefeld. I used midi-ox. It took less than a minute.

Does this satisfy anybody?

>>48120564
it would be great if someone else explained that better than i did. i only have a rudimentary knowledge of what is different.

>>48120362

thanks for the response, really appreciate it. monophonic is fine, mostly want it for bass (and maybe leads) anyways, since i otherwise do drums and guitar. plus i can always multitrack that shit in the studio.

DCO vs. VCO doesn't sound like that big of a deal so i think i'd rather get 2 DCO's instead of 1 VCO, but

>>48120564

>waveshaping, oscillator core, and amplitude

wat? please explain, or link me to a good online article or something, i have no idea wtf this means in terms of analog shit

>>48114105
probably ableton I seen some pics where you could clearly see it on his laptop

>>48120627
DCOs decrease in amplitude as frequency increases. There's a in compensation, but it's not linear. A VCO has linear amplitude across all frequencies.

A DCO outputs in the range of microvolts. Some VCOs operate up to 10v peak to peak. This affects filter characteristics, namely distortion/saturation.

As for waveshaping, DCOs are a square core that can be waveshaped to other waveforms.

VCOs are either saw core or triangle core depending on the circuit and respond to modulation in different ways. They also use different waveshaping methods than each other and DCOs.

All of this affects "the sound" in some way.

>>48120036

I'm pretty sure Ivory 2 is the standard, no?

>>48120222

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8S0zqLCyYg

You're gonna wanna sub to this guy's channel.

You're welcome.

>>48120036
If I want to fiddle with piano sounds and get muh parameters, the giant is good. But when I just want a good piano, Alicia's keys

>tfw literally have my entire album organized and outlined in a line item list but too much anxiety to start sequencing

any /bleep/ brethren dealing with this? how the fuck do you get over it?

>>48121091
By sequencing do you mean composition/arrangement?

>>48121120
yeah. i work with samples and i have all the samples organized down into tracks and key, but i still have a shitload of anxiety to put shit down on the timeline. i've been making music for 7 years and i still deal with an irrational fear of failure.

>>48121168
>being anxious about laying things down in the timeline
i can see having anxiety over making a recording of your performance because if you fuck up you have to start all over again but m8 it's just placing stuff in the timeline what's the worst that could happen

>>48121202
>what's the worst that could happen

i can actually hear the ideas and realize they were complete shit to begin with and that i'm a failure as a musician and i should just work at starbucks for the rest of my life?

>>48120780

uhhhh....

what?

in layman's terms?

>>48121225
then you just keep at it until you do something that sounds good

nobody can just shit gold 100% of the time m8

>>48120768

Would you say you've... seen footage of this?

>>48121231
VCOs loud
DCOs quiet

Among other things

>>48121287
godammit

>>48121257
yeah i know, like i said i've been doing music for quite some time, and despite the fact that i've developed a process that works for me, i still have a really hard time dealing with the disconnect between the idea in my head and what it actually sounds like. just in my personality i guess.

>>48121312

:^)

>>48121303

Quiet? Couldn't you just boost the volume?

Also wouldn't that be more reliant on the VCA? Like, the Pulse 2 has 3 DCO's but the amp and filter are both VC (VCA and VCF). Oscillator is just what determines the waveform, no?

I mean, I love the way the Pulse 2 sounds and all of the really awesome modulation options, but I really really want to understand this shit before I actually drop the $800 on it.

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>>48121287

>>48121335

>i still have a really hard time dealing with the disconnect between the idea in my head and what it actually sounds like

it helps to not develop "ideas in your head", but instead learn to play with your instruments, synths, and samples and simply work with the sounds you've got. Like changing synth parameters until you find something you like, and then working with it. It's a lot easier than trying to actually recreate sounds you hear in your head. Instead, just work with what you come up with via experimenting.

That said: you can also learn to beatbox. I learned naturally just because my subconscious constantly comes up with new music whether I want it to or not. I'll often have my ipod on me and I'll record beatboxed drum beats I've imagined and really like, and hum like, the bass or the general chord progression, and then I'll listen to that in the studio as I make a song. You could try that.

Also, I mean... there's always weed. Coffee and weed is all you need, man. It's the perfect cure for writer's block. Vape it or eat it, and get a sativa or hybrid strain if possible. You want a head high.

If you live in the U.S. lots of states have it decriminalized or have relatively easy to get medical MJ. Check your local laws. If you live in the bible belt you're probably fucked, but oh well.

>>48121403
Listen, I tried elaborating, and you asked me to dumb it down. I'm not sure what you really want here. They behave different, and if you just did a little bit if reading, you could have found that out by now.

>>48121287

ooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooHHHHHHHHHHHHH

SNAP

Electribe ER-1, ES-1, or EA-1?

>>48120872

Yeah I've come across a lot of this guy's stuff while checking out octatrack shit on youtube. That demo is great

>>48121973
Depends on if you want a drum machine, sampler, or synthesizer.

Anyone know how to fill the space in between tracks?.. i have a lot of instruments in my track but its all still sounds really flat. I'ml new to production so i'm still learning how to do some things!

>>48122133
A song isn't like an additive synthesizer, the more you add won't make it spud better.

>>48122133
EQ?

>>48122281
Sound*
I have to admit, autocorrect is getting creative

>>48112571
You could build a pretty nice PC system for $900. Not portable, but will be able to run anything.

>>48122066

...can the sampler be a drum machine, tho?

I mean, I want something for drums for my live setup, idk which would be better for the purpose. Like, you could load in drum samples right? Or is it really not for the purpose?

>>48122133
Pads.

Has anyone bought one of those entry level ($100-250) tube preamps and ran their tracks / equipment through it? I've thought of getting one just to give a little more character to my tracks.

>>48122338
The ES-1 interface seems primarily focused on sequencing one-shot samples, so it will work well as a drum machine (assuming you can get good drum hit samples)

>>48122367
ART tube MP $30

I highly recommend it. I mostly use it for mics and organ, but it basically makes anything sound good.

>tfw try to do shit with Ableton
>tfw do nothing cause I dont know how to use it
>tfw want to make music but no talent

>>48122569
Then try another daw, i tried multiple before i settle d for one i was really comfortable with.

>>48122597
Which one did you choose in the end?

>>48122613
Reason 7. I tried Ableton and Fl Studio before that and i was super comfortable with Reason the first time i tried it so i stayed with it, but like i said its all personal preference.

>>48122368

I guess the question is: is the analog drug synth worth it, compared to samples? As in, creating your own sounds instead of just sampling existing ones?

>>48122747
imo I'd get the ES-1 over the ER-1. The ER-1 has a really weak snare and it would get to a point where you can't get any new sounds out of it, while you can sample literally anything with the ES-1 and theoretically never run into the problem where everything sounds samey.

>>48122824

Thanks man, sounds like a good point. Will do.

>>48113425
>masterpiece
>fruity Lopps
pick one

>>48122133
white noise can help

>>48114408
I had a TX81z way back in the day. It was good, IMHO for cold electronic bell-and-marimba-eqse sounds, and sort of industrial sounding noise stuff.

what's a good budget condenser mic? most google results are from like 2008 and probably out of date

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Anyone have any comments about this plugin? Monark for Reaktor.

>>48127150
I like it, but I find myself limited by it a lot of the times. The sound is pretty nice though. Great for monophonic analog-ish basses and creamy leads.

>>48127168
What does it sound like? From the layout it looks like a MiniMoog wannabe.

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>>48105711
Hello friend

>>48124120
>dumbness
>being on 4kanal, specifically /mu/
choose one

though after all i hope this a pretty joke of yours

>>48127886
eyyyyyy

You're the guy with the comfy setup with the dx7 and four track right?

I'd love a tx802 because I dont think I can handle any more keyboards. You use any effects?

Guys, I want to get into bleeproductions ! Help me plz !

>What do I need to get started ?
A Midi-Key probably, but how many keys are really needed ? 49 or 61 ? Should I get a plain one or one with faders, drum pads etc. ? Any recommendations ? I'm a student, so I'm broke as fuck, gimme something good but inexpensive!

What DAW to use ? I want something which can do various things like EDM, Hip Hop and other beat-oriented music ... Any suggenstions ? Preferably MacOS based, but Windows okay as well.

Any good studiospeakers in the 50-200€ range ? Or do my normal headphones do the job as well for the beginning (sennheiser hd 419) ?

Should I get anything else for the start ? Pre Amp for guitar and bass recordings ? A drum-machine or some VSTs or something like NI Complete ? (tho it's expensive as fuck ;()

Nice, this thread is still going stong

>>48118249
Are you the Pet Rock guy on SC? Sent you some PMs

>>48127931 Ye.
I'll get my midiverb 1 in a few days.
Also had the sony mp5 for a while. Best.Effects Unit. Ever. Even beats the Eventide big ass ones in some points.
Its doing more work here than the Casio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62bg8j05bzA .
For now anyways, I process using Ableton and sometimes supercollider codes. Also tape loops, easy to calculate delay.

>>48127950
Only thing I'd reccomend is a nice little midi controller with faders and pads, you'll most likely not going to type notes in manually with that kind of music. Further a headphone amp with proper pressure, pc output is too shitty in most cases. Pirate Ableton/Flstudio/Cubase, work with them, buy the one you like if you're into karma.

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>>48127886
Also I'm bored, doing max 12 Characters names in the SQ 80's beautiful display if anyone wants

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Guys. I think we should work on a pasta with useful information for the OP in these threads. We seem to be getting a lot more new users and they all come here asking things like "What is the best DAW(for x type of music)?" or "I want to become a producer, but I have no talent, what do?"

>>48128024
BONERALERT

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>>48127995
Ah thats awesome. I've seen a few relatively cheap maybe I should pick one up and give it a shot.

As for midiverbs I got two broken ones for free and finally found some power supplies for them. Was able to repair 2/3.

>>48128024
How'd you manage that photo? It's really neat. I've always wanted to print stuff on my esq-1 display.

>>48128037
Yep, we need pastebins and flowcharts and shit

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>>48128058
Holy shit 3? They're hella rare here in germany, aswell as mp5's can you get me a spare one if you find like 2? I'd even take taxes and all shit for one (if you meant the sony, not the casio)
Also pic is just long time exposure (Night mode on my cam)


>>48127931
>>48127886

Do it, yamaha FM's are damn rad.
Also this is by far the best librarian on PC I've ever used:
http://www.vstforx.de/index.php/disco-news-blog/29-goodies/92-vstforx-presents-herr-mueller-s-dx7

>>48113984
get reaper if your such a moralist

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How do I make bleeps like Eomac and Gesloten Cirkel?

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>>48128129
If I get this third one fixed I'd be happy to rid of it. As for the mp5 I passed up on it because I did not know much about it. Saw one for 90 bucks on craigslist.

These original midiverbs are fairly common here but the power supplies are IMPOSSIBLE to find if you don't manage to get one with your unit. I also have a midiverb 2 but that is still broken.

Also what kind of camera? I've been lusting over an entry level DSLR for years. That new pic I took I had to color balance so bad because my phone camera is so shitty.

can i post a track to get some feedback on? you guys know your stuff more than the average soundcloud thread dweller

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsMAwPzacjc
How difficult would it be to synthesize this sound?

>>48128252
You talking about the trumpet? I would start with a square wave and put it through multiple filters, first one would be a 12db/o low pass filter with high resonance and some attack, then send it through a band reject filter to remove the mids and then a 24db/o high pass filter at something like 500/600hz. Also put some saturation on there.

That's my shot in the dark.

>>48128205
Yeah!

>>48128197
It's a 50€ canon lol, opposite of fancy basically.
As far as i know its a +/0/- power supply, I see what you mean, though a modular/fi railed one could work, I'll have a look inside mine anyways
>>48128252
its 2k14, get that trumpet dry, look at the wavefrom, make single, less harmonic splits of that in some additive synth/maybe FM and map thoses mix to velocity
>>48128298
maybe that

>>48128326
>It's a 50€ canon lol, opposite of fancy basically.

Still miles ahead of my shit heap

>>48128368
Do you have a fucking one way cam?

Also thread is kill

>>48128509
>Also thread is kill

Time to jump ship

>>48128556

>>48128509
Somewhere yeah I dont think it works anymore. Also thats why I was talking about cameras. Need a new thread soon.