>>48018692 bad relationship with his parents, was in an israeli prison for I think dealing hash when he was 14, did a ton of fucked up, graphically sexual performance art when he was in New York in his 20s. abused audience members at early live shows.
>>48018719 Yeah. He spent FOUR and a HALF months in FUCKING adult Israeli prison at 15 years old (turned 16 during that time) for selling drugs when he was still a child after he was sent to Europe to live with his father.
>"Every night, I would hear and see this young Arab boy being raped repeatedly by 20 or so different guys, in the mouth, particularly. It would be dark, and there was a huddled mass working him over, and he would be crying and protesting. Then he would shuffle across the concrete floor in his slippers, go to the communal sink, throw up, brush his teeth and shuffle back. The other prisoners would snicker a bit, and this process would repeat itself the next night."
>"So Michael, you were in an Israeli prison. What was that like, being in an Israeli prison?!" >"Well, I remember there was this Arab kid in there. Maybe like, 16. Every night the prisoners would take turns raping him. So I went to sleep every night hearing the sound of this kid being orally and anally raped" >"......OKAY! MOVING ON!"
>>48018672 yeah. anyone who's read any of pic related, or listened to hard rock, knows he's got problems. there's an extent to which you can make an act of being disturbed, and it's nowhere near the places gira's been.
>>48019024 [...] >Shortly before entering adolescence, Gira’s parents split up; his father moved to Europe, then Indiana and his mother slowly spiraled downward into alcoholism, drinking away the holdings and neglecting the young boy. Soon, at 12, he began delving into the world of drugs. His delinquency culminated into getting busted during junior high with a pocket full of Seconals; to avoid a lengthy sentence in juvenile hall, he was required to live with his father in Indiana, which Gira recollects as “an armpit”.
>Around 1969, Michael Gira moved to Paris with his father, where Gira began hanging out with hippies, panhandling (though he didn’t need to), and taking drugs. At one point he was jailed for several weeks (as a minor) for vagrancy, abandoned by his father in hopes of teaching the young boy a lesson. After a stint at a tool factory in Germany which he chose over a prestigious school in the Swiss Alps, Gira ran away, hitch-hiking through Greece and Yugoslavia until arriving in Israel at the age of 15, selling hash first on a collective farm, or kibbutz, and later (after a near-bust) a hostel, where he was finally taken into custody by Israeli police.
>Gira was incarcerated for a month and a half in Jerusalem without formal charges before a civil rights lawyer found out about his case. Released without bail, he hung out in Jerusalem, mostly panhandling or selling his blood before his trial, in which he was sentenced to another two months in an adult prison, where he depended heavily on his luck and quickly acquired shrewdness to avoid being gang-raped. Gira recollects, “Total time was only about three months, not much really, but enough to get me thinking later about TIME (one’s own control of it) being the most valuable thing one can possess...” [...]
>>48019103 This. Gira is legit fucked up. If it wasn't for Swans (in general) I would have no doubt he would've turned into a serial killer.
Thank god he mellowed out the fuck out when he got older. Meeting Jarboe and calming down his musical output, going into more esoteric realm (circa SFTB) was probably the best thing to ever happen to him.
I forget what its called but do you guys know about his early speeches? They're like, three stories about something. Really vague sorry. Just spoken word segments about stories he wrote. Theyre fucking awful. About this fat kid who ate his own shit and was repeatedly raped and beaten in masturbation and stuff. Sounds cheesy but I genuinely wish I never heard it. Can't find it because I forget what its called.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ysyB_rhAWs >Recorded in Michael's bedroom February 1984. >Tape consists of two long monologues from Michael Gira and Lydia Lunch. >Limited edition of 200 (hand numbered)
I recall reading somewhere that there was a group of hippies that accepted him in the Israeli prison he was at, who protected him from being raped. Not just his own "shrewdness". Can't remember what I read that though.
>After a stint at a tool factory in Germany which he chose over a prestigious school in the Swiss Alps, Gira ran away, hitch-hiking through Greece and Yugoslavia until arriving in Israel at the age of 15, selling hash first on a collective farm, or kibbutz, and later (after a near-bust) a hostel, where he was finally taken into custody by Israeli police.
Holy shit, my life is so fucking dull and boring.....
>>48022114 No, I wasn't talking about that. The way he talks, the way he, as you said, jarringly switches topics and that thing that is apparently his "catch phrase" or whatever at the end is cringe worthy to me. Not my thing I guess, but he has to be doing something right.
>>48019412 I live in the Czech Republic, and here you can actually buy a beautiful, hardcover translated version for like 3 euros. I couldn't believe it, but yeah, now I'm in possession of The Consumer for 3 euros, albeit a translated one, but the translation is actually really good (read the original too as the pdf file)
"I ended up in Israel, and spent a year there. Three-and-a-half months of that were in jail for selling hashish. They put me in an adult prison. I was the youngest person there by far, and I had long blonde hair, an obvious victim. I was 15 when I went in jail, and I might've turned 16 while I was there." Those overwhelming feelings of duress, isolation and claustrophobia will later appear in the distinctive Swans sound. "I spent a month and a half in jail before anyone even charged me, just by myself, being held on suspicion of terrorism. People would come and leave, come and leave, and I was still by myself. Finally a Westerner who was there got out and sought out a lawyer who took my case on, and got me out on bail right away. After that I was out in Jerusalem for another month, panhandling and selling my blood for food. Then I got sentenced and spent another month in jail." Looking back on those early years, Gira now says, "I think that episode has a lot of connection to what happened later. Just the experience of being confined makes you realize the urgency of time, and how much life is about how you use your time, and how urgent it is that you use that time in something that is adamant, in something that feels powerful and real to you. That's been a credo ever since. I've had a lot of shit jobs throughout my life, but I never got tied down in something that was crushing me."
Every night, I would hear and see this young Arab boy being raped repeatedly by 20 or so different guys, in the mouth, particularly. It would be dark, and there was a huddled mass working him over, and he would be crying and protesting. Then he would shuffle across the concrete floor in his slippers, go to the communal sink, throw up, brush his teeth and shuffle back. The other prisoners would snicker a bit, and this process would repeat itself the next night. So that song is sung through my idealized, romanticized version of this young saint. It’s kind of a love song in the sense that it’s about sex and passion through his eyes. So in that sense it’s a typical love song. I guess this experience, seeing this kind of thing at such a young age, shaped my perception of human nature, and love, in a way–Christ, I didn’t even have pubic hair yet.
gotta say i really dont understand this kind of people / music / art whatever. okay so some bad things happened to you in your life, maybe even things that dont usually happen to a person. does that mean that you have to base your whole worldview on this? it only makes you seem like a weak person that gets affected by anything bad around him
i can understand making some albums about it and expressing it, but when you have like 20 albums that are all like 'oh the world is such a bad place waahh' then it loses meaning and its just like, yeah ok guy.
>>48024724 im an eastern european that was born right after communism fell and have lived the first 15-20 years of my life in extreme poverty and with bad health. chances are ive seen more bad things than you and im still positive as fuck
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