>Sanders doesn't even have a weapon out What was he expecting

Smashing board

>>13869324
>What was he expecting to do

He's piloting a giant robot.

>>13869347
Even so, it's not a super type. He can't punch the enemy robutt to death.

>>13869354
Didn't stop banana

>>13869354
>He can't punch the enemy robutt to death.
Why? Shiro did.

>>13869347

See that would mean something if Norris wasn't also piloting a giant robot.

>>13869324

Just how many Gundams were there in the OYW?

>>13869324
I would say that he's planning to use the chest-mounted guns, but he's holding his shield right in front of them.

>>13869370
Banana had to trouble NOT punching robots to death.

>>13869439
Not an EXTREME amount, but way more than makes sense if you take all side materials as canon.

To be fair though, Ground Gundams weren't all that powerful.

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>>13869439
Not enough, the GP01 should have been rolled out during the OYW seeing as though it looks a lot like the Ground Type

>>13869324
He'll use his rocket punch, duh.

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>>13869439
>>13869462
Yeah Ground Gundams are just GMs made for psychological warfare.

>>13869500
cant fool me you faker!

>>13869500
Is that Satan's GM?

>>13869500
>tfw most of these units were shot down by their own side
>one squad was even blown up by missiles launched from the Musai that LAUNCHED them.

WHAT'S THE MATTER COL. SANDERS?

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>>13869550

PREPARE GUNDAM....prepare Gundam, for Ludicrous Firing!

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>>13869517
Fucking Zeeks.
>Sir the enemy has beam weapons should we get our own?
>Nah fuck that Heal Sabers and Bazookas.

>>13869633
heat*

>>13869633
>Heal Sabers
Is this a Health Sword?

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>>13869640
Yeah it's used to repair your unit's head section as seen here.

>>13869324
what if the answer was yes, then what

>>13869439

From screentime you would have thought there were more Gundams than GM

>>13869500
Isn't it SLIGHTLY better than the OYW-era basic GM? That said they should have kept doing that thing of putting Gundam heads on grunts just to fuck with zeeks.

Even better: give the one-of-a-kind prototype a GM head and watch the Zeek collectively shit their pants. It works once but damn if it isn't hilarious as fuck.

>>13869439
I know there's an image floating around where a few anons did a tally, I think the grand total was something like 30?

>>13869692
They're pretty much Ground GMs and at that point weren't they the standard? GM Type-C had to outperform them I'd imagine.

>>13869730
They use some spare parts from the RX-78 line so I imagine they must be SLIGHTLY better, no?

>>13869735
Oh man that V-fin advantage.

>>13869747
So what does the V-fin *DO* anyway in a Gundam? Is it purely decorative or does it have antennas and shit in them?

>>13869439
>Just how many Gundams were there in the OYW?

If you go strictly by high-canon (the animations only), the number is about 30 by my count. Besides Amuro's unit, 28 of them are Ground Types cobbled together from RX-78's spares. Then there was Alex developed towards the end of the war.

>>13869769
V-fins are antennas. That's why Ez8 has a big ass antenna instead of a V-fin.

>>13869640
"Don't worry my strikes will heal you for negative damage!"

>>13869633
Ramba Ral's Gouf has a beamsaber in MSG.

>>13869853
>Ramba Ral's Gouf has a beamsaber in MSG.
Isn't it just a Heal Sword? Was that changed?

>>13869730
>>13869730
>>13869735
The silly thing about this is how accurate the v-fin remark is. While the RX-79[G]s were supposedly finite because they were using up leftover parts, the RGM-79[G]s were supposedly built almost identical to 'save costs', and thus presumably use the non-finite, non-Gundam parts.

Now, the GM is supposed to be 80% identical. The only visible differences are the head, the back-rack, and that multi-launcher in the chest. The latter two never really show up in anything else. In fact the only parts to get wrecked and not be completely repaired at some later point were the heads - Sanders leg, Karen's torso and arm, various weapons, all of them got replaced. Shiro's got field-based with a bunch of shit, but most of the difference was in the head and some slightly different armor.

So ultimately, it seems that the 'leftover parts' they were trying to use up were 20 spare Gundam heads.

>>13869439
uhmmmm
RX-78
The other two RX-78's that were used for G3
like 20 Ground Gundams
RX-78-4
RX-78-5
RX-78-6
2-3 Gundam Pixies
BD-1, 2, 3 (Do they count as Ground gundams?)
Alex
So like...30 gundams

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>>13869916
Blue Destiny Units don't even have Gundam in the game. Plus BD-1 is a GM. Also are 4,5,6 and Pixies actually canon?

>>13869943
name*

>>13869439
Enough to fill side stories for centuries

>>13869943
no
BD-1 is a ground gundam with a GM head. The prototype was a GM but since the BD system was installed in its head they slapped on something else

>>13869943

BD 1-3 are all RX-79 family

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>>13869966
>>13869974
Next you'll say Zeta Zaku is a Gundam and not a Zaku. This world has gone mad.

>>13869916
>>13869943

When you actually start counting MSVs, manga, games, etc., the number is no longer definite.

Out of the animations that actually cover the OYW (0079, 0080, and 08th MST), the number of Gundam that fought during the OYW is about 30 most of which were Ground Types.

>>13869916
>like 20 Ground Gundams
Kojima's battalion had 20 units, but there were 8 more serving elsewhere.

>>13869979

The proportions of that thing are hideous.

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>>13869986
Sorry, is this better?

>>13870009

Yes, actually.

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>>13869692
>Isn't it SLIGHTLY better than the OYW-era basic GM?
Aside from armor materials and a SLIGHT advantage in generator output, no. The base RGM-79 runs faster, puts out more thrust, weighs significantly less, actually has a surplus of replacement parts and doesn't have to cannibalize shit from rekt units to function, and can operate in space.

The RX-79[G] is one of the least well-performing MS the Federation fielded during the OYW. Comes with being a pre-production rush job, though personally, I think that's part of it's charm as a series protagonist suit; when it goes up against a Zaku, you really get the feeling like it could actually lose.

>>13869324
Why does his Ground Gundam have a white V-fin? animation error?

>>13869980
>Kojima's battalion had 20 units, but there were 8 more serving elsewhere.
Why the fuck were most of them sent to that unit anyway? I mean they could have been sent to Odessa or someshit since that runs concurrently with 08th

of course we're just stupidly overthinking all of this though

>>13869916
There were supposedly like 12-15 RX-78-1s running around.
Also there was Heavy Gundam and B Gundam

>>13869324
Why is the GM head left a different white? They have parts but they don't have paint?

>>13870217
Rush repair job, No time to paint.

>>13869439
Going by the numerous OYW spinoffs, one can assume that there were about 100+ Gundams of various types if one includes things that are of dubious canonicity due to their fucking retarded power in the same single year (like the FOUR Riders series, each of which rivals the fucking Alex, which is already pants on head better than the RX-78-3, much less the RX-78-2, and rivaled by the GM Sniper II series of which god knows how many were made for ace pilots) while Zeon is somehow magically 10 years ahead in MS design (in mass-production standards, maybe; that's about it).

Don't ask how many Gundams there are. There are as many as there are Zakus apparently, since you need only create another MSV and say it was YET ANOTHER black ops project of the Federation to create an impossibly advanced Gundam that never made it into the Federation's sole Newtype (and even that's fucked over with the Augusta Institute) pilot's hands.

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>>13870184
>Why the fuck were most of them sent to that unit anyway?
Because the Federation got word of Zeon developing a doomsday weapon that could end the war and shit their pants, so they sent all their functional MS to Kojimbles and friends to investigate and neutralize.

>>13869916
>BD-1, 2, 3 (Do they count as Ground gundams?)
Yes. Even BD-1 is technically built under the RX-79 designation, so it counts as one of the 20 RX-79[G]s fielded during the One Year War.

>>13870203
I don't know where you're getting this but it's wrong. There were originally 7. Three were converted into RX-78-2s and sent to Side 7, two of those got rekt by the Zakus, and those two were cannibalized and frankengundam'd into a single unit (RX-78-3) and used to test the Magnetic coating later applied to the surviving RX-78-2.

FA-78-1 was never built, and instead the three Heavy Gundams were built as a completely new RX-78 frames mounting a thicker armor design to accomodate the FA-78-1's original intended function with none of the flaws, which created an almost completely different unit.

>>13869692
According to Terry Sanders, it was better than the GM[E] (Early Type) that he used in space. He nearly jizzed his pants when he first used the Ground Gundam.

>>13869633
How the fuck are they supposed to? It's easy to capture the MS; moderately harder to capture its weapons, particularly if they're not attached to the MS or otherwise in use at the time (you don't exactly store MS with their rifles, it seems).

Even if they stole beam weaponry, Zeon didn't technically have the technology available to recharge their E-caps (they could probably rig it, but it'd take some actual R&D that they may not have had available in the field) aside from the beam sabers.
>games contradict this though, but obviously Zeon captured GMs and very few can use beam spray guns, so they were either a logistical hurdle or are just non-canon in various ways

With the defection of Dr. Minovsky(?), Zeon has to go the long way designing beam weaponry.
A GM has nowhere near the generator ability to sustain its own beam weaponry, and takes an undefined amount of time to charge its beam sabers after they're depleted directly from its backpack mount. The e-cap technology disallows needing it; it's just like a normal gun with a magazine that needs to be replenished after emptying it; you don't actually feed the gun itself with your own force/willpower/etc.

A Zaku Sniper has to mount another generator that could power another MS just to power its beam rifle.

Zeon has to skip e-caps entirely and figure out a way to get an MS that can directly feed minovsky particle bullshit and energy directly to its beam weaponry from the palm from the generator, which is finally succeeded in the Gelgoog and other even-less-mass-produced prototype MS from Pezun, the Chimera Corps secret R&D wing, etc.

>>13869692
>That said they should have kept doing that thing of putting Gundam heads on grunts just to fuck with zeeks.
Eh, that could backfire really, really easily. A GM has only relatively better survivability than a Zaku II past paper specs.
You try putting Gundam heads on too many ground-pounder MS and you're going to have a lot of more skilled Zeon pilots who suddenly start collecting "gundam" heads and showing that Gundams aren't something to be afraid of if you're careful.

>>13870227

This nigga gets it.

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>>13870266
Looking at this hideous mess of designs makes me really wish they'd just reboot UC with a new name and stick with it and ensure that it makes sense over its own conflict eras.

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>>13870252
They should have just made Ground and Space based Z'Goks. Zeon would have won if they used Z'Gok superiority.

Need an arm for doing shit? Rip one off and slap a Zaku arm on that shit.

Pic unrelated I have no Z'Gok pictures.

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>>13870266
>Physalis developed into the Rick which became the Psycho Gundam.

wut.

>>13870288
>>13870266
That chart's a fucking mess.

>>13870241
There's an 8th RX-78, it just doesn't have any lineart (yet, until they use up the other 7 and need a new OYW series).

Also the series info and MSV numbering disagree as to whether or not RX-78-2 meant an upgraded model, or the 2nd unit produced.

>>13870288
when you see one of those bubbles with letters or words in them, it's meant to indicate that where it leads to is on another part of the chart, sometimes with an arrow indicating the direction to look in(in that specific case it leads into the Prototype Rick Dias/Gamma Gundam)

>>13870294
it is, but when you're tracking a continuity as heavily developed as Universal Century, it's kinda necessary, it'd be a lot simpler for a chart for say After Colony for example

>>13870287
>They should have just made Ground and Space based Z'Goks
I know they just gave up on backwards-adding "canon explanations" but it's really goddamn odd that mega-particle weapons on Zeon MS just up and die once we go into space.

One would figure that if the added mass of the Dom series matters less so that we can gut the legs and add more armor and thrusters for space fighting, one could just assume they can add sufficient extra cooling systems to space-refit Z'goks (which was the immediate problem moreso than just the gogg/z'gok/hygogg/z'gok-e's generators).

One can just assume that MiP, their private contracting company that made them, just didn't have the MS-manufacturing R&D that Zeonic/Zimmad had. Either that, or they were greedy and fed R&D bucks from the Zabis into continually more stupid space Mobile Armors.

>>13870287
>They should have just made Ground and Space based Z'Goks. Zeon would have won if they used Z'Gok superiority.
While Zeon could never really conquer anything much farther than the coastline with an MS strategy like this, they'd at least have it.
The Johnny Ridden MSV-R manga translated by Nozaku gives the impression that Zeon NAVY had near unbridled control over the seas during the OYW until they stop receiving resupply from space and are left stranded.

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>>13870309
>continually more stupid space Mobile Armors.
Probably this. Newtype hype actually killed Zeon.

I guess all according to keikaku.

Translator's Note: Keikaku means plan.

>>13870266

This is precisely the reason why Hollywood is obsessed with reboots and why Disney axed the Star Wars EU.

>>13870316
They pretty much did. The colony drop destroyed most of the EF navy, Zeon's blitz on California captured a huge chunk of their subs and their primary (only?) submarine production facilities, and the battle of Hawaii destroyed almost all that was left of the EF navy.

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>>13870323
>I guess all according to keikaku.

I believe the word you meant to use was "planen."

>>13870309
>One can just assume that MiP, their private contracting company that made them, just didn't have the MS-manufacturing R&D
That doesn't quite work, because in Igloo it's shown they're perfectly capable of upgrading a Z'gok into something worthy for space fighting if just not particularly agile (the Rick Dom is fast but not agile though so it's in good company). BY STRAPPING ROCKETS TO IT and calling it the ZUgok.

>>13869324
He has chest guns.

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>>13870338
Why is Zeon Aquatic R&D so good.

>>13870347
Because apparently MiP can do what Zeonic and Zimmad can't do all by its fucking self...and stopped doing anything useful from there.
>asstons more powerful than anything Zeonic can produce up until the fucking Gelgoog
>even MORE POWERFUL generators than what Zimmad can produce, and while they overheat, they don't EXPLODE

MiP is the company that literally could have saved Zeon, but they shit the bed somewhere after creating the highly powerful aquatic MS of Zeon (which have generators even more powerful than that of nearly TWO RX-78-2s) because they cannot be fucking bothered at all to:
1. Attach space rockets to aquatic MS which technically should have no problems functioning in space because it's more or less just like the fucking water save for gravity.
2. Develop fucking cooling systems so that Zgoks and friends can actually fight toe-to-toe with GMs in nearly all variables.

>>13870309
Water is a hell of a lot better at cooling than absolutely nothing.

>>13870316
Which is little odd because it was established ages ago that aquatic MS were basically made obsolete by the EF navy getting their shit together and hunting them out of the oceans, explaining why there is like 3 of the fuckers in the entire rest of UC. But for a while until that happened Zeon did control them, sure.

>>13870338
The Ze'gok is basically a mobile armour and the MS part has less firepower than a standard Z'Gok.

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>>13870352
It's funny because Acguy uses the Zaku-II's reactor but still has mega particle beams.

Reminder that Zeon made these things. They even have cooling systems. Someone dropped the fucking ball somewhere.

>>13870359
Are you just too retarded to understand the difference between water cooling and a fucking vacuum?

>lel just make an equally effective cooling system fuck thermodynamics

>>13870372
Not saying that. Like they made the Big Zam right? How do you miss the fucking step between Acguy and Mobile Armors.

They went and made shit like the Braw Bro, Bigro, Zakrello, and Big Zam. In fact the only good one for general warfare would probably be the Zeong.

>>13870397
on the other hand, even the smallest Mobile Armor is the size of at least 2-3 Mobile Suits, and uses at least that much resources too(often more), so it isn't quite so simple

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>>13870416
I feel like if they didn't add so many gimmicks onto shit they would have did a lot better. Probably should have just made a big mobile suit then tried to scale down as much as possible.

Guess that's what happens when you have idiots trying to push melee focused mass production units late into the war like the Gyan.

>>13869324
>>13869325
>>13869347
>>13869354
>>13869370
>>13869413
>>13869419
I can't breath
Never change /m/

>>13870345
Wouldn't the shield be in the way?

>>13874857
He has arms holding the shield.

>>13874868
In front of his chest.

>>13874875
He can move them.

>>13874918
Then the shield wouldn't be doing anything.

>>13875285
It would be until then.

>>13869864

It's a beam sword in 0079 but other material rectoned into a heat sword.

>>13869324
Those MS have a beam sabre stored in each leg, considering they only have enough power to last two minutes it's a good idea not to pull one out if you can't use it.

Also Sanders was only packing the 180mm cannon, not exactly useful in a human shield scenario.

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>>13869354
The fuck did you say?

>>13876455

Pulling out the beam saber doesn't automatically ignite it. He could be holding the saber handle and waiting for an appropriate moment to activate it, which would save him the time and hassle of pulling it out and then activating it should he need it. Going in to combat with literally no weapons to hand is just dumb - but then, the entire team had to act like morons to make Norris look cool so it's no surprise.

>>13869775
Thunderbolt has pushed it to 31 then, and will push it to 32

>>13876490
Thunderbolt is an AU, not OYW.

>>13876499
>Thunderbolt is an AU, not OYW.

No. Thunderbolt is UC and takes place during the OYW.

>>13876490
>will push it to 32

So I guess there's another Gundam besides the FA-78?

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>>13876475
>Going in to combat with literally no weapons to hand is just dumb
Nigga this is 0079, weapons are for sissies.

>>13876634
Atlas isn't during the OYW anyways. It's also about GT-FOUR levels of plausibly canon, there's minimal chance they'll keep animating Thunderbolt that far.