>Sanders doesn't even have a weapon out What was he expecting to do, convince Norris to give up with a plate of his secret blend of herb and spices roasted chicken? Or just act as a cover for Karen's beam SABER?
>>13869439 >Just how many Gundams were there in the OYW?
If you go strictly by high-canon (the animations only), the number is about 30 by my count. Besides Amuro's unit, 28 of them are Ground Types cobbled together from RX-78's spares. Then there was Alex developed towards the end of the war.
>>13869730 >>13869730 >>13869735 The silly thing about this is how accurate the v-fin remark is. While the RX-79[G]s were supposedly finite because they were using up leftover parts, the RGM-79[G]s were supposedly built almost identical to 'save costs', and thus presumably use the non-finite, non-Gundam parts.
Now, the GM is supposed to be 80% identical. The only visible differences are the head, the back-rack, and that multi-launcher in the chest. The latter two never really show up in anything else. In fact the only parts to get wrecked and not be completely repaired at some later point were the heads - Sanders leg, Karen's torso and arm, various weapons, all of them got replaced. Shiro's got field-based with a bunch of shit, but most of the difference was in the head and some slightly different armor.
So ultimately, it seems that the 'leftover parts' they were trying to use up were 20 spare Gundam heads.
>>13869439 uhmmmm RX-78 The other two RX-78's that were used for G3 like 20 Ground Gundams RX-78-4 RX-78-5 RX-78-6 2-3 Gundam Pixies BD-1, 2, 3 (Do they count as Ground gundams?) Alex So like...30 gundams
>>13869692 >Isn't it SLIGHTLY better than the OYW-era basic GM? Aside from armor materials and a SLIGHT advantage in generator output, no. The base RGM-79 runs faster, puts out more thrust, weighs significantly less, actually has a surplus of replacement parts and doesn't have to cannibalize shit from rekt units to function, and can operate in space.
The RX-79[G] is one of the least well-performing MS the Federation fielded during the OYW. Comes with being a pre-production rush job, though personally, I think that's part of it's charm as a series protagonist suit; when it goes up against a Zaku, you really get the feeling like it could actually lose.
>>13869980 >Kojima's battalion had 20 units, but there were 8 more serving elsewhere. Why the fuck were most of them sent to that unit anyway? I mean they could have been sent to Odessa or someshit since that runs concurrently with 08th
of course we're just stupidly overthinking all of this though
>>13869439 Going by the numerous OYW spinoffs, one can assume that there were about 100+ Gundams of various types if one includes things that are of dubious canonicity due to their fucking retarded power in the same single year (like the FOUR Riders series, each of which rivals the fucking Alex, which is already pants on head better than the RX-78-3, much less the RX-78-2, and rivaled by the GM Sniper II series of which god knows how many were made for ace pilots) while Zeon is somehow magically 10 years ahead in MS design (in mass-production standards, maybe; that's about it).
Don't ask how many Gundams there are. There are as many as there are Zakus apparently, since you need only create another MSV and say it was YET ANOTHER black ops project of the Federation to create an impossibly advanced Gundam that never made it into the Federation's sole Newtype (and even that's fucked over with the Augusta Institute) pilot's hands.
>>13870184 >Why the fuck were most of them sent to that unit anyway? Because the Federation got word of Zeon developing a doomsday weapon that could end the war and shit their pants, so they sent all their functional MS to Kojimbles and friends to investigate and neutralize.
>>13869916 >BD-1, 2, 3 (Do they count as Ground gundams?) Yes. Even BD-1 is technically built under the RX-79 designation, so it counts as one of the 20 RX-79[G]s fielded during the One Year War.
>>13870203 I don't know where you're getting this but it's wrong. There were originally 7. Three were converted into RX-78-2s and sent to Side 7, two of those got rekt by the Zakus, and those two were cannibalized and frankengundam'd into a single unit (RX-78-3) and used to test the Magnetic coating later applied to the surviving RX-78-2.
FA-78-1 was never built, and instead the three Heavy Gundams were built as a completely new RX-78 frames mounting a thicker armor design to accomodate the FA-78-1's original intended function with none of the flaws, which created an almost completely different unit.
>>13869633 How the fuck are they supposed to? It's easy to capture the MS; moderately harder to capture its weapons, particularly if they're not attached to the MS or otherwise in use at the time (you don't exactly store MS with their rifles, it seems).
Even if they stole beam weaponry, Zeon didn't technically have the technology available to recharge their E-caps (they could probably rig it, but it'd take some actual R&D that they may not have had available in the field) aside from the beam sabers. >games contradict this though, but obviously Zeon captured GMs and very few can use beam spray guns, so they were either a logistical hurdle or are just non-canon in various ways
With the defection of Dr. Minovsky(?), Zeon has to go the long way designing beam weaponry. A GM has nowhere near the generator ability to sustain its own beam weaponry, and takes an undefined amount of time to charge its beam sabers after they're depleted directly from its backpack mount. The e-cap technology disallows needing it; it's just like a normal gun with a magazine that needs to be replenished after emptying it; you don't actually feed the gun itself with your own force/willpower/etc.
A Zaku Sniper has to mount another generator that could power another MS just to power its beam rifle.
Zeon has to skip e-caps entirely and figure out a way to get an MS that can directly feed minovsky particle bullshit and energy directly to its beam weaponry from the palm from the generator, which is finally succeeded in the Gelgoog and other even-less-mass-produced prototype MS from Pezun, the Chimera Corps secret R&D wing, etc.
>>13869692 >That said they should have kept doing that thing of putting Gundam heads on grunts just to fuck with zeeks. Eh, that could backfire really, really easily. A GM has only relatively better survivability than a Zaku II past paper specs. You try putting Gundam heads on too many ground-pounder MS and you're going to have a lot of more skilled Zeon pilots who suddenly start collecting "gundam" heads and showing that Gundams aren't something to be afraid of if you're careful.
a somewhat out of date(and somewhat speculative in terms of connections in some areas) but still pretty relevant image(we need some dedicated and skilled bastard to create a new version that is up to date)
>>13870288 when you see one of those bubbles with letters or words in them, it's meant to indicate that where it leads to is on another part of the chart, sometimes with an arrow indicating the direction to look in(in that specific case it leads into the Prototype Rick Dias/Gamma Gundam)
>>13870294 it is, but when you're tracking a continuity as heavily developed as Universal Century, it's kinda necessary, it'd be a lot simpler for a chart for say After Colony for example
>>13870287 >They should have just made Ground and Space based Z'Goks I know they just gave up on backwards-adding "canon explanations" but it's really goddamn odd that mega-particle weapons on Zeon MS just up and die once we go into space.
One would figure that if the added mass of the Dom series matters less so that we can gut the legs and add more armor and thrusters for space fighting, one could just assume they can add sufficient extra cooling systems to space-refit Z'goks (which was the immediate problem moreso than just the gogg/z'gok/hygogg/z'gok-e's generators).
One can just assume that MiP, their private contracting company that made them, just didn't have the MS-manufacturing R&D that Zeonic/Zimmad had. Either that, or they were greedy and fed R&D bucks from the Zabis into continually more stupid space Mobile Armors.
>>13870287 >They should have just made Ground and Space based Z'Goks. Zeon would have won if they used Z'Gok superiority. While Zeon could never really conquer anything much farther than the coastline with an MS strategy like this, they'd at least have it. The Johnny Ridden MSV-R manga translated by Nozaku gives the impression that Zeon NAVY had near unbridled control over the seas during the OYW until they stop receiving resupply from space and are left stranded.
>>13870316 They pretty much did. The colony drop destroyed most of the EF navy, Zeon's blitz on California captured a huge chunk of their subs and their primary (only?) submarine production facilities, and the battle of Hawaii destroyed almost all that was left of the EF navy.
>>13870309 >One can just assume that MiP, their private contracting company that made them, just didn't have the MS-manufacturing R&D That doesn't quite work, because in Igloo it's shown they're perfectly capable of upgrading a Z'gok into something worthy for space fighting if just not particularly agile (the Rick Dom is fast but not agile though so it's in good company). BY STRAPPING ROCKETS TO IT and calling it the ZUgok.
>>13870347 Because apparently MiP can do what Zeonic and Zimmad can't do all by its fucking self...and stopped doing anything useful from there. >asstons more powerful than anything Zeonic can produce up until the fucking Gelgoog >even MORE POWERFUL generators than what Zimmad can produce, and while they overheat, they don't EXPLODE
MiP is the company that literally could have saved Zeon, but they shit the bed somewhere after creating the highly powerful aquatic MS of Zeon (which have generators even more powerful than that of nearly TWO RX-78-2s) because they cannot be fucking bothered at all to: 1. Attach space rockets to aquatic MS which technically should have no problems functioning in space because it's more or less just like the fucking water save for gravity. 2. Develop fucking cooling systems so that Zgoks and friends can actually fight toe-to-toe with GMs in nearly all variables.
>>13870309 Water is a hell of a lot better at cooling than absolutely nothing.
>>13870316 Which is little odd because it was established ages ago that aquatic MS were basically made obsolete by the EF navy getting their shit together and hunting them out of the oceans, explaining why there is like 3 of the fuckers in the entire rest of UC. But for a while until that happened Zeon did control them, sure.
>>13870338 The Ze'gok is basically a mobile armour and the MS part has less firepower than a standard Z'Gok.
Pulling out the beam saber doesn't automatically ignite it. He could be holding the saber handle and waiting for an appropriate moment to activate it, which would save him the time and hassle of pulling it out and then activating it should he need it. Going in to combat with literally no weapons to hand is just dumb - but then, the entire team had to act like morons to make Norris look cool so it's no surprise.
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