>Char is the greatest character in Anime history. >He has

It's debatable whether Char is the greatest character in anime history.

I think Zanscare wins because they have a super weapon that is capable of brainwashing an entire planet.

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>tumblr
>>Char is the greatest character in Anime history.
>writing all this in greentext for no reason

>>13857269
What about ZAFT though?
They are literally an army of super soldiers.

Or OZ? they have the numbers and the staying power.

>>13857253

Zanscare, probably.

Zanscare has the backing of Jewpiter, like the Crossbone Vanguard. It also has immensely powerful MOBILE SUITS?? and Newtype Christ herself at the helm.

What about a Char fight, though?

Char (Sazabi), Zechs (Epyon), Katejina (Gottrlatan), Rau (Providence), Iron Mask (Rafflesia)?

>>13857281
Char IS objectively the greatest character in Anime history
Have you not been watching origins anon?

>>13857289
With the Char fight... I think zechs has the edge with the epyon.
Char is too technologically inferior to the others.
He is a victim of his time.
But he is a better pilot than the rest

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>>13857290

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>>13857312
>ignores empirical facts
>ignores objective reality
>implies char is NOT the best

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shout out to the worst char clone that barely even interacted with the protag

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>>13857318
Casval, put your trip back on.

>>13857331

Might have something to do with the fact that for the first 45 episodes he WASN'T Char. He was the Dark Quattro to Mu's Light Quattro.

His character up until that point was of a caring enemy commander who legitimately wanted his boys to do well and come home, with some hints of treachery and double-dealing.

Come the finale and he's decided to be Rau le Genocide because MUH GENES.

>>13857345
His whole character legitimately stops making sense around episode 30

>>13857356

Isn't Episode 30 KIRAAAAAAAA ASSRAAAAAAM

>>13857367
Can we just not talk about it?

>>13857289
Char wins because he is a newtype and our hopes and wishes will be on his side
(Unless they suddenly kill him and start moving astronomical objects)

>>13857377

I just ask because Rau doesn't show up until the next one where he's all like "Hey Athrun I know you're feeling sad, but you beat your friend, he was really strong, huh? You got a medal. And a promotion! And hookers."

Why has nobody said zeon?

>>13857396

Because Zeon is vastly outclassed tech-wise by everything on that list except ZAFT, which is just bizarro Zeon anyway

>Once the Angel Halo is mass produced
Zanscare Empire

Gotta go with OZ.

Hear me out fools:

Atleast 10 Leos get blown up PER EPISODE, which means that there is an endless horde of them (essentially)
Also, in the first episode of wing, we see that as long as a leo has a competent pilot it is AS GOOD if not BETTER than any other zaku equivalent.
Throw in the tallgeese and the various other suits that OZ has lying around (ares, Taurus, cancer) and the fact that OZ is a global organization who conquered and oppressed the space colonies... you have some pretty nefarious villains with huge amounts of staying power.
They can lose 10 suits a day, and keep throwing more at you.
They also barely have anywhere near the amount of political strife these other BS organizations have. (Except the vanguard)
So I say OZ

>>13857399
Everyone is forgetting that zeon spent the entire OYW shitting out random mobile suits, each one far better than the last and each one being able to adapt to a specific scenario better than the last.
Look at how amazing the gelgoog was, for example.
The more technology zeon is exposed to, the faster they can shit out these suits and win the war.
Of all the factions listed, zabi ruled zeon has the most flexibility.

>>13857399
>bizarro Zeon

unlike zeon, zaft acualy was capable of getting shit done without mass genocide.
And where the spacenoids where constantly bitching about how they where better then earthnoids while getting assfucked by earthnoids 24/7, the coordinators actualy where better then the naturals.
And lets not forget that the zaft was minding its own business until blue cosmos started nuking their colonies, they where actualy peacefull and still would be if the naturals left hem alone.

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>>13857445

>>13857457
>unlike zeon, zaft acualy was capable of getting shit done without mass genocide

Yes, hence Bizarro Zeon

Superman shoots nuclear fire out of his eyes and saves people

Bizarro shoots beams of ice out of his eyes and sometimes kills people

That's Bizarro

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>>13857281
Remember that time you were an edgy faggot who doesn't contribute to threads?

>>13857399

The whole list is basically bizarro Zeon, with the exception of Oz.

>>13857467

Yeah, Oz is Bizarro Feds

>>13857462
your comparison really doesn't make sense here.

Yeah, Oz is like "what if the titans won?"

>>13857459
Best sniper/spotter team in history

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>>13857474

It's simple

Superman is a walking genocide machine who could Colony Laser the planet with his face, like Zeon, while Bizarro isn't, like ZAFT, and looks weird, like Hirai

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>>13857476
>mentioning zeta

>>13857482
your just stacking a lot of stuff on that doesnt make any sense either, use some none /co/ material.

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>>13857488

It's simple

Goku is a walking genocide machine who could Colony Laser the planet with his hands, like Zeon, while Turles isn't, like Zaft, and looks weird, like Goku

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>>13857483
To be fair char was in zeta

Bumping 4 interest

>>13857557

This is /m/. Threads can last for days here.

No need to bump for interest. Eventually someone will take interest if there's aught to discuss.

>>13857559
this, can go for weeks.

>>13857559
Sorry. Used to /b/

>>13857705

/b/ and /v/ move much faster than the speciality interest boards like /m/ or /u/. In an /m/ thread discussions take place over the course of a week unless it's

1. A currently airing show
2. Gundam Seed/Destiny
3. About waifus or some shit
4. A bait thread

>>13857710
Can we get this stickied?

>>13857308
I don't know.
Epyon is a great suit, but it has no ranged armaments at all.

So next to Rau, who has omni directional lazers flying all over the place, Zechs just wouldn't be able to compete.

if Rau goes down first though, then yeah, Zechs pretty much takes it by default.

>>13857731

Katejina's MS is basically a powered up grunt suit with all of two weapons of any note - her beam wristblades, and the fuckoff huge gigacannon it's strapped to. It's basically a faster, smaller, much frailer Sazabi with much more powerful close and long range weaponry but incredibly limited utility. Katejina was able to butcher the Shrike team with sneak attacks, and kill Odelo, but when she came up against an actual opponent Usso pushed her against the wall. While the attack that technically finished her was a Newtype brain blast - the sort of thing no Chars can do - it stills stands that Katejina's Gottrlatan was almost snapped in half by the V2 even without the Newtype shenanigans.

Rau's Providence fought evenly against the other most powerful MS of the war and came out alright, nearly scoring a mutual kill. His funnels let him shred an experienced pilot in an older generation MS, giving him a significant advantage against Chars without experience in multi-directional attacks (Char survived the Qubeley and the O, so he's got the best chance of surviving Providence's funnels).

Zanscare wins, they destroyed the most Gundams on screen.

>>13857744
Iron mask's Rafflesia fills a similar role to Rau's providence but in this fight its size gives it a pretty big disadvantage.

Not only would it be more vulnerable than anything else to both Rau's Dragoon's and Zech's cleaving, but it's shear size and the fact that it'd be shooting at pretty much everything all the time would make it much more likely that the others (baring maybe Rau) would acknowledge it as a collective threat and form a temporary truce to focus on taking it down first.

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The fed dies would win because they have an innumerable amount of the incomparable rgm79 GM
Feddy pride

>>13857786

The Rafflesia, although mobile, also happens to provide a massive target for the second biggest beam gun in the fight, the Gottrlatan's.

With the amount of beam bullshit that's going to be flying around in an All Char Superstar Melee, armour is a total non-factor.

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Reminder that Char is a pedophile for little newtype girls.

>>13858006
Somebody needs to animate this and call it something clever, using the word char as cleverly as possible.


Inb4 super smash char

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>>13857996
Feddies represent!

>>13858012
wasnt he trying to look for a new mother?
whasnt that the point of lalah?
Or do i remember it wrong?
His mother wasnt even a newtype, she was a bar dancer.

>>13857253
>He has inspired many clones

Not really. It's more like the Gundam franchise keeps recycling the same archetype over and over again.

If Char inspired other CHARs, then Amuro inspired Kamille, Judau, Kira, etc. Bright Noa inspired Synapse, Murrue, Hardy, etc. Fraw inspired Fa, Rain, Atra, etc.

The "masked figure" is a common trope. Most wear it to create an air of mystery. When a CHAR is wearing a mask, they often don't need it. It's more of an overt way of showing that the character has ulterior motives. In most militaries, if some faggot starts walking around with a mask insisting that he be called a different name, you can bet that hes going to get the mask slapped right off his face.

>>13857253
Certainly not Zeon, since Char is actively murdering their leaders.

>>13857494
>A GM beating more than a single Zeon suit
>onscreen

Whoa, what's this from?

>>13857464
Yeah.
But now you're that faggot.

>>13858089
Until he becomes the leader of Zeon.
Then they do really well.

>>13858097
0081 game

>>13858107
But that's neo zeon
Not zeon
So it doesn't count ;^)

>>13858072
He wanted lahla to be a mother to his children

>>13858130
I could never love you- char to lalah

>>13857253
>He has inspired many clones... which begs the question:
You mean Ryo Asuka with a bucket on his head?

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>>13858140

>>13857287
Those supersoldiers couldn't defeat the earth fleet full of usual people. Their superiority is questionable for me.
>>13857269
This superweapon is useful only against planet, not the hostile ships.
>>13857289
>backing of the Jewpiter
When this meme will end?
Also, the Zanscare should have the team of Chars: Duker Iq, Katejina and Chronicle.

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First why is all of that in green text?

Zanscare wins
Now let's look at why.
Zaft is using battery power for their pirmary suits. Neutron jammers are worthless since everyone else uses fusion reactors which most mobile suits use. Never mind that they're smaller in numbers than Zanscare, Zeon, and OZ. That throws them out.
Crossbone Vanguard is just too small compared to the other factions.
After the 2 first round losers you've got Zeon and OZ
Both of these faction have a good level of technology. They both have share numbers comparied to the first two. Zeon, personally I think would pull out between the two because of all of their crazy prototypes. However, I wouldn't be surprised and OZ winning the same was the federation did. That's only because OZ at it's peak actually controlled the whole world.
Finally we come Zanscare.
Its got by far the best technology. It has the numbers gamethat zeon would have. It has the newtypes. There is just too much going on here.

>>13857289
If I can change Zechs from Epyon to Tallgeese III. I'll take Zechs. Considering it has the Epyon system, the whip, along with vulcans, and a beam cannon.

>>13857731
The epyon system should help deal with that. Also Also every other character is a newtype. Funnels just aren't going to help as much as they should. Though we see that almost every time a competent pilot faces funnels in the franchise.

>>13858161
It's in green text because I accidently posted it in /co/ got bitched at aggressively until I deleted it.
I used the quote function to transfer it here.

I didn't realize it would green text until I posted it.

My bad

Is Choco Birdman the best Char?

>>13858183
Protoman from the Megaman series is best char

>>13858183
Mickey Simon.

>>13858183
>>13858187
Edmond Dantès is the best Char.

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>>13858142
>smash memes

>>13858183
Vega is the best char

>>13858183
Spider-Man is the best Char.

>>13858224
I think you mean Superior Char

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>>13858220

Vega isn't a CHAR.

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>>13858239
I mean Mom Char you big dummy.

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Say what you will about the man, he's got a pretty dope theme song:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo4UKgqqDoA

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Why has nobody said it yet?

casval rem deikun is best Char you stupid fucks

>>13858263

Because he's an asshole and pedo. This is especially made obvious in Zeta and CCA. At least in 0079 he was somewhat passable as a character.

>>13858297
>to be a good character you have to be a nice and proper person
What's so passable about him in 0079.He's a total creep.

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>>13858297
>asshole
That's true, but how would you act on his place?
>pedo
That's meme.

OZ has the best MS in that hypothetical war and the best pilot of the Char clones. They win. They don't have to worry about pilot fatigue with the MD system and the Taurus is faster than everything else on the battlefield. The Virgo has the best defense on the battlefield which can only be beaten by overwhelming power or strong melee. But if they stack the defensors that doesn't matter.

Zeon dies first. They have shit units for this battle ZAFT only has Providence that provides any fire power with the rest of their suits having less than stellar combat records. It goes down to Zanscrace, the Vanguard and OZ.

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>>13858341
>OZ
>implying
Nobody has a chance against the faction with Dragon Ball Z Gundam

Besides nowhere does anything ever mention how fast a Taurus is

>>13857253
Zanscare.
You can laugh, but those wheels can make even a Zolo fucking invincible.

>>13857253
My money is on ZAFT and their army of coordinators. It's like if UC had perfected their cyber-newtype process and mass-produced it, it's an UC army wet dream. And as much as people say that Zanscare has the tech, we can't really properly compare the performances of technology through universe lines.

>>13858341
this is such a wingbabby meme answer it hurts reading it.

>>13857289
This zanscare, their MS are pretty damn scary, and if its msv they get the Zanspine too.

>>13858393
and Second Victory which is just a Zanscare made V2-lite

>>13858341
The main problem with OZ, is who the fuck is OZ.
The early show OZ, which takes over the world.
The Romefeller foundation OZ, that loves mobile Dolls?
The Treize Faction OZ?

>>13858156
Because the earth fleet had a *considerable* advantage in numbers. Even so, they were kicking their asses until they managed to get a working MS for naturals, which evened things out a little bit(!)
That should be surprising in itself since, now even with the parity in technology, the earth alliance is still not winning, despite their still much higher numbers.

In short: Nope, ZAFT really was that good.

>>13858309
>What's so passable about him in 0079.

Because we didn't know just how seedy and delusional he really was back then.

>>13858421
It's not his fault.Making fun of people with mental deficiencies is not cool.

>>13858405
For that matter, tho, which ZAFT it is also matters. Is it the ZAFT with Ginns and cgues? Or is it the ZAFT with Cgues and GuAIZ? I'd think it should be best possible version but best ZAFT is neither of those, but rather the ZAFT with ZAKU Warriors, ZAKU Phantoms and Goufs. But that ZAFT doesnt have Rau and instead is lacking a Mwu on the Akatsuki for a Char clone. Unless you want to instead put Rau on the Legend since that's sorta what they did by putting Rey in it.

Point is, if you wanna divvy it up like that it gets too complicated. I say make a mish mash that remains representative while also the most powerful version you can. (So I'd say Rau in the Providence, but ZAKUs and ZAKU phantoms and Goufs for mooks)

>>13858442
Zaft at the end of the day is useless no matter what due to the limited operation time of their mobile suits. It really doesn't matter which faction they're fighting, when they have to recharge their grunts while the Other factions grunts are still going.
Zaft only has a hand full of true nuclear powered suits, so they're going to be overwhelled no matter what. Never mind the ships in the CE are diesel electric.

tl;dr
Fusion Powered Suits> Zaft

>>13858318
>how would you act on his place?

Step 1) I'd start off by telling Garma exactly where White Base was instead of getting him killed. Char's had no beef with Garma -- Garma actually treated him as a friend. Allowing Garma to detroy White Base would have been pivotal in the war and may have even led to winning the war in Zeon's favor.

Step 2) Wait until the Zabi siblings eventually stab each others backs.

Step 3) Assassinate the last remaining Zabi and usurp power for myself.

Step 4) ?????

Step 5) Profit.

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Throw in the vultures and space army from Gundam X as a faction too

>>13858460
I'd say they have developed their operational procedures taking into account recharge times, so I don't see how that could be a factor. If you have an army which needs to rest, you devise tactics that allow for rest while also allowing for whatever effect you're looking for on the battlefield (say, making sure you can sustain aggro by using waves of mooks and relief units and such). Point is that, although I certainly agree that it's not something that should be downright ignored I don't think that it factors in as much as you're implying. They would simply have a different way of handling mobile suit warfare than other factions, rather than being inferior at the one an army without those operational requirements would devise.

>>13858486
They would just have to use line relief, and mixed forces to hold territory.

0079 (and 08th) proved that you can't win a war with just mobile suits. You need an occupying force.

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>>13858318
>>pedo
>That's meme.

It's pretty much headcanon at this point. Gyunei had him pegged and he probably isn't the only one.

>>13858460
A second point to consider would be that even if other factions do have infinite energy Mook MS, that's most likely not a factor in most engagements for a couple of reasons: 1st, engagements may simply be resolved too fast for operational time to matter, and 2nd and most importantly, you still don't have infinite operational time even if you do have infinite energy MS, because your pilots don't share that privilege. So even if encounters last long enough for operational time of mooks to matter (remember that we don't really know for how long mooks in CE can operate, we know PS units eat energy like crazy, but mooks are apparently more efficient in their energy use), it may be an entirely moot point, given the needs of the human pilots inside those mook suits.

So, as I said, point well taken, but probably not as pivotal as you presented it.

>>13858475
Okay.
Degwin Zabi has killed your daddy and your mommy have ended up locked in a tower to death. Char wanted not just to overthrow Degwin. The point was to make him suffer. And the best way to do it is to kill his favorite child - Garma.
Zabis won't start to fight for power until there would be conflict between them. The war is at the stalemate yet the ruling family is okay with the things. How to make them think about finishing this war fast and make them argue? Kill their favourite child and sibling.
Gihren was satisfied with all until he started to argue with Degwin. Kycilia was always competing with Gihren, but she wouldn't try to move her brother away. Dozle had no ambition to be the supreme ruler. Garma was naive and wasn't much of a threat. A great tool though.
If Zeon would win, this would only improve the position and reputation of Zabi. And then comes the lost son of Deikun. Nobody can be sure that that's him. People have no reason to follow him.

>>13858495
Based anon.

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>>13858486
>>13858511
You're missing the second major problem for Zaft. They're a tiny faction in terms of sheer numbers. The PLANTS are small.
You have to account for both of these factors together. Shorter operational time and Less soldiers over all to keep fighting. While factions OZ, Zanscare, and Zeon can have almost massive military thrusts going at any given moment. ZAFT has to play numbers and keep a good fraction of their forces in base to maintain as this anon pointed out >>13858495 , they have to maintain a steady relief sytem. In a battle similar to A Bao Qui, Solomon, or even Odessa they're at a huge disadvantage. That kind of battle is guaranteed to happen in a war like we're hypothesizing about. As we know from real life wars, the factions who shit out things the best always win.

>>13858527
I don't think he is such a calculating person.He just went for Garma first because it was easy and he had the opportunity.
His modus operandi is "just fuck around and take advantage of whatever happens".
He has no clearly set goals,gets easily distracted and is generally reckless and full of wild notions.
He never wanted power or anything like that.

>>13858156
>When this meme will end?

After you kill yourself.

>>13858556
I agree that their numbers are probably their biggest disadvantage, but that thread wasn't about numbers but operational time (I take your point that they should be taken into account together, but I didn't bring it up then because we were discussing a different thing). Besides, we don't know how small their numbers actually are. We know they're smaller than the earth alliance, but that's about it. They still have an important edge on troop quality (and if you want to talk endurance I bet a coordinator pilot has much greater staying power and tactical flexibility than a regular human pilot) and arguably an edge on tech over at least some of the other factions (certainly Zeon, for example).

In terms of how their nations would handle the "total war", however, or if we're considering "the homefront" aspect of a total war or not, I don't know how to take into account.

>>13858625
I forgot to close my point: As I said, we don't know how small "small" actually is. We can probably guess correctly that they're smaller than the rest of the factions, just like we can probably guess correctly that OZ would be the biggest one in terms of numbers, but we don't really have much info on the actual differential beyond that. So maybe it doesn't matter as much as we both have been thinking.

>>13858645
Why assume OZ as the biggest, unless you're inflating numbers with MDs. They did have control of the entire Earth sphere, but they mostly fought non-MS units. People give OZ way too much leeway

>>13858562
Maybe you're right about the power.
But calculating is something Char had to do.
>no clearly set goals
Avenge daddy, make his dream come true, find a caring newtype woman.
>distracted
By what? Fighting against Gundam is his assignment, not wish.

>>13858657
Fair enough. The size of OZ really is not that important, since we all seem to agree that it's around the size of the bigger factions.

I posit that it is bigger than most tho. OZ comes from an AU with a healthy earth, instead of the war-torn, barely holding together Zeon or Zanscare earths. With that in mind, there's good reason to believe that they have access to more troops than other factions do.

>>13858645
We do have at least some numbers for the PLANTS actually
243,721 died at Junius Seven 7. There are 120 PLANT colonies - 1 (Junius 7) so 119.
Now let's assume Junius 7 being an Ag colony is small so let's guesstimate 350,000 for each colony.
350,000 x 119 = 41,650,000
I'm going to Say Zaft could Be 50 Million max.
We know in the UC, That Sides populations are in the billions.
You can kinda see the problem here.

OZ at it's peak ruling the earth and Space has everyone. They're playing the greatest with numbers Advantage that's indisputable.

>>13858359
The show says that the Taurus has 8G of acceleration.

>>13858387
Yet you have no counter argument.

>>13858699
It is war-torn though, there were still wars going on at least within Zechs' and Noin's lifetime but before Wing started.

>>13858706
Zaft also controls parts of the earth tho. It still may not make up for the difference, but it should count for something.

Still, if they're THAT small (and I didn't think they were) that makes the troop quality point stronger still, since they were able to sustain (and win) long wars against what's obviously a much, much larger force.

>>13858724
The EA didn't even have MS until SEED began. Then they had the Strike until the Daggers were developed. ZAFT was winning against planes and tanks for most of the war.

>>13858728
Most of the first war. The second war was MS on MS from the start.

And still, with those kind of small numbers, no amount of killed planes and killed tanks would make up the difference. They *must* have still been fighting at a numerical disadvantage once the daggers came along.
Either that or they're bigger than 50 mill.

>>13858751
So what are we talking here? First war ZAFT or second war ZAFT? A combination of both?

The EA having a number advantage didn't mean shit as we saw. Shinn was blowing away Windam by the dozens and EA pilots as a whole haven't been shown to be competent in the animated material unless their name is Sven or Mwu. The Druggies and Extended were shit. Shams and Muddie were shit. One died beam spamming until his battery ran out and the other got eaten by a robot dog. I don't count Kira as an EA pilot but if we do then they have 3 competent pilots.

>>13858724
>>13858751
Keep in mind though they don't actually get troops from the areas they control on earth. Some Resources sure, but not loyal coordinator soldiers.
Their victories are three fold it's not just about superior soldier, which we all agree they had.
1. Neutron Jammers gimp earth Alliance. Nuclear energy is gone for them, and Fusion doesn't Exist in the CE. This takes away basically all their air craft carriers, and cripples their production at the start of the war. Never mind the civilian energy crisis EA nations are also dealing with. Neutron Jammers really fucked up the earth.
2. Early on the Earth Alliance is dealing with Zaft super weapons, mobile suits. This is another huge advantage for Zaft.
3. They are Genetic Supermen at the end of the day.

In destiny you also need to keep in mind.
The Atlantic Federation Microwaved most of the Eurasian federation's forces at Alaska in the last war. They're again playing with worse, and the Neutron Jammers still haven't been completely dealt with.

>>13858788
Yeah, I was taking into account the n-jammer stuff and whatnot, but that doesn't factor in the inverse relationship of numbers vs supersoldiers Zaft apparently has going on for it in a bigger way than I originally thought. Such small numbers mean that the supersoldiers really ARE that effective, especially once the daggers get introduced and Zaft is still not getting curbstomped.

I take your point about a good chunk of the Eurasian federation being fried before the start of the second war, but not the one on how they were playing with worse. The EA just didn't have the deuterion beam units, which weren't that big a factor on the war anyways considering they were stolen before the war started. Also, what was left of the Eurasian federation was happy playing around with their new, horribly named MAs like the Zamza Zah and the Ramba Ral or whatever the fuck the other one's name was. Also the EA had the Destroys.

So I guess my point is that their small numbers are (apparently!) not that big a deal, since they could still sustain that second war against a competent opponent who still has leagues of numbers over it, even without a strong Eurasian federation.

I was of the impression that their small number should have been a bigger deal, btw. But the way you put it, their small number was barely an issue, and their soldiers are apparently so good they count for about 100 regular soldiers or something insane like that (again, not what I thought at all when we begun this exchange).

>>13858849
Dude, we don't even have enlistment numbers for either side. In large battles ZAFT didn't seem outnumbered at all. I doubt the staff took into account that ZAFT would logically have less troops than the EA. The only time ZAFT was outnumbered was in battles involving the Minerva which is a common Gundam thing. The main ship against a larger force.

>>13858849
I'm going to be completely honest about my opinion on ZAFT and the PLANTS' size. I think it's just a case where Fukuda didn't think about what he was doing.

>>13858906
>implying fukuda ever thought/thinks

>>13858156

Duker Iq wasn't a Char. Duker Iq was one of the three separate aspects of Ramba Ral, the other two aspects being expressed by Wattary Gira of the Gira team and the Tiger of Space, Gottwalt Hein

>>13858393

Zanspine is broken as fuck and shouldn't count

>It's a Zanscare suit
>That's just a souped up version of the Victory 2, complete with Wings of Light
>But BETTER
>and with bug eyes

In all honesty Zanscare has the best tech all around especially if we count the Zanspine however if we're counting Katajina as the Char then they are at a disadvantage she is an good pilot but not exceptional and the Gottoralion is a shit MS Zechs is a great pilot but if he is in the Epyon then well the lack of range gives him a massive disadvantage but he has the larger force Rau has the best balance of range and melee and good armor but by the time he has it he is crazy as fuck and not at his best plus Zaft's tech just cnt cut it OYW Char loses for the same reason but if its CCA Char then he has a better balance than Rau and his experience gives him a solid edge but his force becomes the smallest if we're going all Char clones then the best is honestly Greham Aker due to skill and the large well trained A-LAWS force seeing as they can curb stomp any non gundams

>>13859266
Zanspine isn't even animated. If we were counting MSV then OZ would get Hydra and ZAFT would get Testament

>>13859317

Plus Katejina is automatically at a disadvantage because none of the Chars are 13 year old boys, removing her drive to fight

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>>13859388

Just as Usso was, Char is immune to the Neneka corps' power

>>13859394
Nah, along with his pedophilia he has a thing for physically abused brown girls that get vaporized.

>>13859388
Man, they look like a bizarro Shrikes there.

>>13859438
If only the Shrike had 2 brown girls

>>13859448
But it had 3.
Franny, punch to the cockpit and beam to the face.
Redheads, but still brown.

>>13857253
I still think Full Frontal needs a haircut.

>>13859438
They need Terasawa's redesign

Wheels flatten everything.
Zanscare wins.

>>13857289
Zechs probably wins, better pilot, better suit.

>>13858156
But Hostile Ship were pilot by people. Angel Halo can mindfuck people on entire planet.

>>13857253
I have to go with Zanscare Empire

Have the dumb-down Colony Laser, Keillas Guille.
Fucking land battleship yo, with fucking tyres.
Hordes of scary hi-tech MS
And Angel Halo can mind wipe everyone on the battlefield if needed

>>13860692
Yet nobody tried to attack the League Militaire fleet with Angel Halo. It would be more useful.

>>13860729
Because Angel Halo would mind wipe everyone on earth. LM on earth, EF on earth, Everyone.
Why would they mind rape a small insignificant fleet while they can mind rape everyone on Earth

>>13860736
Because this fleet is a huge threat

>>13860765
So they will mind rape that fleet then

Why is Zanscare the most out there when it comes to designs, they have wheelies for MS and ships, beam chopper MS, dragon MS, beam maces, flying platform guns

>>13860779
But they didn't raped the fleet .
After great battle the Zanscare army was defeated, Angel Halo is blown up, the leaders are dead and the queen's daughter is settling with top ace of LM.

Char is gay.

>>13858080
>In most militaries

In a genre full of bipedal hulking masses of metal?

>>13860794
You're saying that like if Char never had sex with Lalah. And like you wouldn't like to be on Char's place

>>13860788
>>13860788
Because Angel Halo main mission was to mindrape everyone on Earth. They don't bother with the small insignificant LM Fleet. The only force that can topple the Angel Halo Fleet was the EF fleet that was underway to join the battle. LM have to sacrifice 2 ships and shitload of aces for Usso to infiltrate Angel Halo and save Shakti.

And Angel Halo was never destroyed it was broken up to small pieces. The only reason it done that was when Shakti desired peace, not mind rape and the fact she listen to noise of dead Newtype surrounding her.

>>13860809
>insignificant
There's no such thing as insignificant enemy fleet. Even the worst admirals of all the UC wouldn't be so stupid.
>sacrifice
Whatever. The victory is achieved, the enemy is done for.
>it was broken up to small pieces
If the weapon broken and unrepairable, then it's destroyed.

>>13860823
>>13860823
>There's no such thing as insignificant enemy fleet
During the battle for Angle Halo, LM have 1 Battleship and 1 Cruiser with limited MS. The Angel Halo was defended by 2 main fleet, one of em was the Angel Halo Defense Fleet and the other one was the Motorad Fleet or something. LM was there as the first wave delaying the Zanscare for the EF reinforcement who were on route.
Why would they waste it on a single LM fleet when they can mindrape everyone in a given area that is same as Earth.

>The victory is achieved, the enemy is done for.
Zanscare still have a considerable amount of ships left after Reinforce Jr explode.

>broken and unrepairable, then it's destroyed.
Except its not, the Angel Halo broken to little pieces before the Zansacre assemble them and fly up to the sky due to Newtype Shenanigans

>>13858906
I'm not going to disagree.

Anyhoo, my original point before we got into it with numbers and stuff was just that ZAFT is not really in as bad a shape in this battle as people had been making it out to be. I'd go so far as saying they might have a good shot at the crown, even.

>>13859317
Zaft has positron cannons on mooks, what are you talking about "can't cut it"? That's the type of overwhelming weaponry in Zeonverse that made a very unexperienced Banagher on a non-awakened Unicorn give Full Frontal and his squad some real trouble. Zaft has mooks all over the place shooting that kinda shots. Laser and plasma weaponry is so present in CE that missiles are hardly used by anyone, and have hardly any effect in battle beyond as a tool for spreading defensive particles, or as downright nukes.

Maybe it's the way the mook suits reference UC backwards what makes people think their tech is subpar, but it should be clear that the ZAKU of Zaft is leagues and bounds beyond even late-Zeon stuff, nevermind the original Zaku I of the OYW. Same should be true for, say, Zaft's version of the Gouf, by extension.

>>13860912
What positron cannons on mooks? Aside from that Zaft units are still incredibly heavy compared to late UC and other AU units. CE has a ton of advanced technology but the suits they are on are still way behind most series. They haven't mastered shrinking technology and still rely on batteries for most everything.

>>13860912
>Zaft has positron cannons on mooks

They don't, anon. The only MS equipped with positron cannons are extremely new MS like the Calamity or nuclear MS like the Freedom.

By the end of the war ZAFT had just gotten around to giving their new frontline MS (the GuaIZ) proper beam sabers and beam rifles, roughly mirroring Zeon's late deployment of the Gelgoog.

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>>13857253
>Char is the greatest character in Anime history.

But that's wrong

>>13863360
>>13863161
Let's not forget Zanscare have MS capable of independent flight and beam shields on every unit

>>13863373

And space wheels

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>>13863374
and creepy bug eyes, somehow Zanscare is all over the place design wise but remain unified by these eyes. Like there are wheelie MS, chopper MS, Dragon MA, flying disc w/gun attachment MA, Shy MS but the bug eyes are always there

>>13857253
Zeon, due to the numbers advantage

Most of the rest of those factions fielded hundreds at best whereas Zeon had much more at its disposal

>>13863389
Zeon depending on which incarnation has some of the worst tech of all the factions

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>>13857253
A-Laws wreck everyone with Space Laser

>>13863374
>Space Wheels

A shame, a rag tag Federation forces can blew them off and won the war

>>13863389
>Zeon, due to the numbers advantage

Except Zanscare has the same numbers advantage (like Zeon, they control an entire Side) AND they're tech is more advanced than Zeon's.

Not to mention that even if Zeon outnumbers Zanscare slightly, the average Zanscare grunt has such better tech that whatever limited numerical superior Zeon has wouldn't make much of a difference.

>>13863360
The Gunner ZAKU has positron cannons, and Gunner ZAKU are the most common mook by far on the second war.

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BEST ANIME CHARACTER EVER

>>13867901

Yeah I forgot that Destiny existed for a second, which is why I'm all like "but ZAFT only managed to put beam weapons on MS near the end of the war!"

>>13867901
Those are not called positron cannons. Just beam cannons.

>>13870098

I think he's going off the fact that the Agni cannon has the same beam colour as the Lohengrin/Tannhauser mounted by the Kusanagi, Archangel-class, and Minerva

Which is silly

>>13870098
Then they shoot positron beams.

Beam weapons in CE are green. Positron weapons have that blue-red hue thing, and rail cannons are yellow. This is consistent throughout the series. No reason to doubt it's the case.

>>13871476
That isn't the case. It's officially called a beam cannon. Freedom's are called plasma cannons. The Archangel's are called positron blasters. They are different weapons. They are animated the way they are to show that they are stronger than normal beams. All physical projectiles in Seed are yellow and weaker beams are green. Unlike you think vulcans are railguns or that the Mobeus has railguns.

>>13857253
Tekkadan could beat all of them

>>13857331
They had him be Mu's rival for all the show until the last few episodes since Kira had to be the one to save the day. Actuallly Kira saved nothing, he just took out Rau since SEED needed a final boss and taking him down was MC privilege.

>>13857345
Rau is basically Fukuda taking X Frost brothers, fusing them into a single character and putting a mask on his face.

>>13857356
Nah, it did make sense but the way his motivations were revealed were clumsy as fuck. We saw him a few times suffering from some condition and hinting at serious backstabbing intentions.

>>13857253
Zanscare probably has the most advanced tech alongside the most advanced beam defense options right?

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Judges Char as greatest character based on clone count
Tries to define superior clone based on its organization's power
Pic related has hundreds of clones in-universe and out of it, is literally part of a club of terraforming gods
MFW GREATEST CHARACTER EVA

>>13874271
They are.
They can make Beam-Rotors, Battleship with Tyres, Laser Canon that can snipe anyone from space and a Mind Fuck Machine

>>13857289

Katejina. A stronger newtype than Char, has piloting skills that rival Uso's, and has the best suit. A natural talent since she has only has like two months of piloting experience or something.

The Zero System is pretty much useless on newtypes that aren't pitifully weak.

>>13874613
How did you come to those conclusions?

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>>13874628

Nearly kills Uso when she's in one of her lesser suits and he's in the V2, had enough read on him to cancel out his beam with hers, can consciously use telepathy and has shown better range in identifying targets during battle than I remember Char ever showing (comparing the battle in episode 49 of Victory to any of Char's), her odd ass reaction to Angel Halo in general, was capable of decisively beating Marabet in her first shown sortie even after a sneak attack and cuts off her beam saber wielding hand, saves Cronicle a number of times, and so on. Using a tire as a surf board once means she's the best, really. Doesn't Victory take place entirely in 4 or so months?

Newtypes work by reading the intentions of the pilot. How would the Zero System be any good at predicting the movement of a pilot that's working off the movement of the pilot it's feeding information to? Gottrlatan has the strongest fielded weapon, can block all the opposition with the beam shield, and her suit's plenty fast.

>>13874658
>Newtypes work by reading the intentions of the pilot. How would the Zero System be any good at predicting the movement of a pilot that's working off the movement of the pilot it's feeding information to?

Zero System predicts every single outcome of a battle. We've seen Zero System combat Zero System before. Zero System constantly updates. Newtypes get flashes periodically. This just becomes a competition of I out predict you. It's just a matter of Zechs closing in. Epyon has the speed and armor to do so.

>>13874670
>Newtypes get flashes periodically.

This is stylistic effect, although they're not constantly aware. Even as early as MSG you have Amuro seeing exactly how an enemy is going to move without a newtype flash occurring on-screen. It's the same in Victory if you read the Fuala's dialogue while fighting Uso once.

>We've seen Zero System combat Zero System before.

Newtypes work by essentially reading the opponent's mind, though.

>>13874687
>This is stylistic effect, although they're not constantly aware. Even as early as MSG you have Amuro seeing exactly how an enemy is going to move without a newtype flash occurring on-screen. It's the same in Victory if you read the Fuala's dialogue while fighting Uso once.

>Newtypes work by essentially reading the opponent's mind, though.

Yet newtypes still lose all the time. Whether it's against a weaker newtype or an oldtype like Yazan. Newtypes still lose. Battles still come down to skill instead of precog.

>>13874687
>Newtypes work by essentially reading the opponent's mind, though.
I'm going with the Zero system melting the pilots brain. Let's just see the Zero system predict courses of action which include the enemy pilot astral-projecting themselves across the battlefield and reaching into your mind to fuck with it.

I mean, just imagine Katejina with psychic powers on the level of Judau and Scirocco.

>>13874687
>Newtypes work by essentially reading the opponent's mind, though.

So then it'd be a race to see whether someone would die first or getting mindraped?

>>13874695
Someone who has mastered the system wouldn't have that happen to them. Those types of results would be filtered.

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>>13874692
>Battles still come down to skill instead of precog.

Definitely. Rau and Iron Mask are outclassed in this department. Is it me, or did it take the latter quite awhile before he realized he was attempting to kill his own daughter?

Eypon's lack of range just kind of fucks it over in terms of options. Its heavy armor is its saving grace, but it wouldn't survive a hit from the mega beam cannon. Good luck hitting it with it, though. Anyone got a webm of Zechs going to town on Mobile Dolls before self-destructing?

>>13873096
Well yeah I guess railcannons and vulcans are both yellow, but they're also animated pretty differently so you can tell.

Did Char inspire a real life funeral like Raoh?

Exactly

>>13857253
OZ with full production of Taurus and Muh Tallgeese.

>>13858384
>their army of coordinators

But their army was not entirely made of coordinators.
That is if those coordinators awakened.

>>13857253
Is Liquid snake from mgs a char clone?

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>>13858012
>>13858140
>>13858297
>>13858497
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>>13863367
>>13868043
>>13874597
>>13877998

>>13857253
Vagan

They'll just get into coldsleep and wake up when everyone else finished killing each other

>>13878418
what