>>13856998 How bad is 3 supposed to be? I've only seen the first two and the reboot but I've heard that 3's status as a piece of shit is legendary. I like the jetpack he gets and am gonna get the NECA figure and you can't stop me!
The first Robocop is great. When I saw it as a kid, I only remembered the gory violence, but as an adult I see the story of a man losing his humanity and his struggle to regain it. Also, I had seen GaoGaiGar somewhere between those two periods, so rewatching Robocop seeing the parallels between Murphy and Gai was fun.
I was disappointed with Robocop 2 when they backtracked on Murphy's development. Then the rest of the movie was an after school special.
It commits the worst sin a film can make: It's boring. It's really bland, and feels cheap. Nothing about it is in any way memorable. It lacks a villain or much drama for most of it. Everything looks like Toronto which takes me out of the film.
>Hey, I know that corner >Hey, that's University of Toronto! I walk by there all the time.
>>13860840 If it ever gets subbed, you could possibly look into Jiban. It's essentially a Japanese version of Robocop. In the meantime, the closest thing to that is Winspector, with its episodes about the robot sidekicks dealing with having human emotions.
>>13863759 >people endlessly shitpost about the hand before the movie is even out >that scene happens I mean it was still bad, yeah, but it wasn't totally thoughtless. I understand just how Robocop was trying to modernize the tale, but they didn't really follow through enough. It had some good ideas and I think it was possible to make a good Robocop remake out of them but they just gave up and made it a generic action flick with dad feels.
>>13863721 Actually that was the same character. Hector Ramirez, the notGeraldo character, appeared in all Sunbow shows in the 80's, technically making all of them in the same universe. See: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hector_Ramirez
>>13865207 Gaban? Jesus, nigga... He's not even a cyborg...
8 man --> The Six Million Dollar Man --> Cyborg 009 --> Robocop --> Jiban --> Robocop 2 --> Rescue Heroes --> Robocop 3.
The fact is: the cyborg cop concept is japanese. Robocop created the genre in cinema for adults, but Jiban make it pretty edgy for a tv kid show, both in style, mobility and firepower.
By the way, Verhoven's Robocop cloned the jetpack and smart gun, and Padilha's Robocop cloned the red visor and motobike... It's a cycle, but - in general - Jiban is still an upgraded version of the old Murphy.
>>13863657 I hear people who were underage when they first saw the movie say this all the time, and I still don't get it. That's the least goriest scene in the film, happening to a guy who totally deserves it. What makes that more traumatic than Kenny or Murphy's deaths?
>>13865207 To be honest, I really dislike Robocop's exposed mouth. I understand that it's there to make it visible that there is still a man in there, but it just kinda ruins the design to me. Really wish he had a little removable mask to go over that sometimes, or something. Not crazy about the slit visor either, it just reminds me of Cyclops.
>>13868618 What an odd opinion. Covering the mouth in my opinion would just make it more bland. Now its both a distinction that its a halfman-half robot, elsewise it would just be a robot. Not to mention the warm hue of the skin is a great compliment to the overall cool-coloured pallete of the rest of the body. Its really well designed.
He should have a little Optimus Prime mouth guard that closes automatically when shit gets real. You know, like Viewtiful Joe. That way we can have lips for important dramatic moments, but we don't have the whole "why don't they aim for his chin?" problem.
>>13868618 THIS. During the movie, it's more "human" (and better for narrative) see his mouth. However, during action, it's complete dumb. One shot in the middle of his teeth and... bye. Maybe a protection used in action scenes sounds better (and more badass, if well done, like Optimus Prime's mouth opened/closed).
>>13868364 >those Japanese designs look like straight garbage next to Murphy. Comparing tv suits from 1979 and 1982 with a cinema suit from 1987. LOL... 1987 Murphy's design > 1989's Naoto's design? You have shit taste, anon... Just accept it.
>>13869558 Jesus, man... We all know it, but we are talking about cyborgs taking tons of machinegun bullets in the chest (and probably face) and staying alive. Ordinary human cops will die in any situation.
The "protected mouth" is practical and cool for a cyborg. It's useless for a human, lol.
>>13869745 This. They basically stretched his face over robot skull. Besides, think of all of the punishment Murphy took throughout the films; small arms fire through his fake mouth isn't going to do much.
>>13869619 >cyborgs taking tons of machinegun bullets in the chest (and probably face) and staying alive.
Apparently getting popped in the mouth is very unlikely since that's exactly what happens in the Robocop. You can claim plot armor, but the first rule of shooting a target is to aim for center mass (torso area). Even people that don't handle guns much instinctively do this.
>>13870475 It's not even really his face, it's synthetic. When they have his former wife come see him (Robocop 2 i think) and he tells her to touch it, she's surprised that it's cold. Robocop says "They made it....to honor him."
>>13870547 Well, I assumed its synthetic nature would be a given. >>13870550 Has got it right though in that he wanted to spare her as much pain as possible by making the break as quick and final in her mind as he could.
I'm looking those "combat scenes" from mid cinema/tv watcher perspective and you're looking it as a mech addicted. Some one say earlier: "Murphy's mouth is dead material made of metal with shit and blablabla". Jesus, it's a small dialogue line from Robocop 2. Ordinary people who watched Robocop 1 in cinemas don't even knew it... By the way, he eats that baby snot from movie 1 using (theoretically) his mouth, so...
...in essence, what I'm trying to say is simple: the mouth, even for a cyborg like robocop, is one of the few exposed organic parts, without protection. Visually speaking, it's a vulnerable spot, so........ the mouth protection (jiban type, optimus prime type, whatever) is more plausible (tactically speaking) in action scenes.
On the other point, the mouth exposed is better in dialogue scenes. Obviously.
In general, a mix of both (maybe a movable protection, like optimus) could be the best type.
>>13873477 >Jesus, it's a small dialogue line from Robocop 2
Dude you can clearly see it's just skin grafted over metal from one of the most important scenes in the first movie >>13869745 If you're gonna run your mouth about a flaw at least know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>13879066 yeah Rubbercup needed a bit more than just when Batman wanted him black because tactical if it was trying for that like when they had the line about "we've never lost a blue code person" I expected their death to be preceded by a gag about them being downgraded to green code or something.
>>13879265 Yeah, you pretty much nailed it. I can live without the ultra-violence of the original, but they also didn't match the satirical tone of the Verhoeven films. And personally I didn't like the direction they went with the new one. I don't understand why they kept the hand and but also he starts out knowing he was turned into a robot while the Verhoeven version was more of a machine learning to regain its humanity.
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