Why do anime fans hate mecha so much unless its Code Geass? I'm not going to try saying most of the shit I like is high class art or anything but what makes moe/waifu shit so highly rated in comparison?
They like it because they think it's revolutionary in being dumb and camp and not trying to be realistic because normalfags hate mecha anime for -being unrealistic-. To them, Geass is "we get it, us anime fans amirite?" completely letting the whole nature of the show as a melodramatic piece go over their heads.
They don't even know why. I've talked to a lot of people that eat up stuff like sword art online, code geass, attack on titan and will actually sit down and watch idol shit. Whenever I ask them why they don't give mecha a chance they can never give me a good answer. It's always a "well I don't know. It's just not something I'm into." When I ask why they liked Code Geass I always get "Well the robots weren't that important"
Because you're a whiny little retarded shit who thinks it's okay to make meta threads. Either kill yourself or leave and never come back; either way, this board will be better without you here to bring it down.
>"Why don't you like mecha anime?"
>"They're all the same"
>goes on to describe traits of Evangelion
Mecha fans can't go 20 minutes without seeing robots hitting each other, which in fairness makes a certain amount of sense. But when a majority of people around here start genuinely bitching that there isn't an obligatory robot fight every single episode and claim that nothing is happening purely because robots aren't hitting each other then you start to doubt the judgement of the board.
that restores my faith in the board, you simply think their view should align with YOUR board
It's more that I don't think there is value in the views of someone who is trying to critique the narrative themes of a show and the effectiveness of its character development when at the same time he's calling a show shit because the gattai scenes weren't dope enough and robots didn't explode enough.
But that's my problem I guess.
Personally I have never disliked a mecha show as long as what's happening outside the robots is fun and interesting. However when that fails, I look to the robots and plead, "Give this show something worth watching. I don't care about the story anymore, it is beyond saving. But good battles would save this, if only just a little." Obviously I want both but I don't complain (much) about the robots until the story is worthless.
>the fact that the board is moving away from quality mecha entries and literally telling each other to abandon rational discourse to fellate what would essentially be the Highschool DxD or ImoCho of mecha is restoring my faith in it
out of all the problems this board has now, you tasteless gobshits are the worst.
Because they're afraid of the social stigma attached to watching glorified half hour toy commercials for children, which is ironic considering the average popular anime is also there to sell merchandise.
>Studies have shown that everybody who isn't /m/ likes everything more than /m/ does.
Kek, explain why people like Wing so much then you dumbass.
I knew this was going to come up. I meant MORE SO than the social stigma attached to anime in general. It's telling how niche the genre is when the best complement mainstream critics will give is: "it's pretty good...for a mecha show"
(fuck you ANN).
They treat the mecha as window dressing and focus on the characters and plot. They do the same with EVA, same with Gurren Lagann. Which is pretty silly honestly because when you get right down to it mecha are window dressing in EVERY anime ever, the only unifying feature they have in common is being a thirty minute toy commercial. The amount of mecha shows where you could replace the robots with superpowers or guns or something without intrinsically detracting from the main narrative is tiny, they only have robots in them because robots are much more visually entertaining than AMuro shooting a gun for 42 episodes, and because they are useful in selling merchandise.
They assume the rest of mecha anime is just a toy commercial for kids while inventing excuses for themselves for justifying how what they are watching is not, even though it categorically is most definitely a toy commercial for kids.
Not for me.
My primary arguments against it are the extremely lazy cut-and-paste of 19th century america for a setting and half of the character designs being stupid looking caricatures. As idiotic as they were, Cancer's group was still passably designed. The floofy french general and Ulysses S Grant cosplayer were just too much.
Not to mention Corin Nander and his two cronies who all felt like they belonged in a parody of Gundam and not in an actual series.
Sometimes having a mandatory fight in every episode backfires, especially when they have no effect on the relative strengths of the factions involved and are just the requisite five minutes of PEW PEW RUN AWAY. In this respect, I'd take Turn A's reduced portion of battle over G-Reco's mandatory pointless skirmishes any day.
Because most people at the end of the day aren't mecha fans. It's a niche, it's not for everyone. You'd have to have some pretty elitist mindset to think it's purely from some "because they're plebs" standards.
They like Geass because the mechs took a backseat to the drama.
I feel like it's very odd that we consider mecha "niche" when we have our own board dedicated (with some exceptions) to it.
Also, when you trace the lineage of many big and "influential" series, it tends to come back to mechshit.
>is being a thirty minute toy commercial.
Did RahXephon have a notable toy program? (I'm seriously ignorant about that, but the show was no toy-commercial).
I believe the designer of the Fafners explicitly stated he designed them to be difficult to make into toys.
Nothing about Fafners are difficult to make toys out of.
They're just really unsightly with that God forsaken asymmetric torso.
Seriously just fuck off with that torso design god damn.
I like how quick modern anime fans are to pull the toy commercial card when most, if not all of the recent popular anime are light novel or manga commercials. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with light novel or manga commercials, just as there isn't for toy commercials.
>Why do anime fans hate mecha so much unless its Code Geass?
Dude, not only is your statement not actually true...that show is old. Newer mainstream mecha anime have been made since then.
I agree with this point of view. I can watch lengthy 70s MotW purely based on the fact that I know the giant robot is going to walk out... let's say four to six minutes near the end of the episode at the absolute latest, and the fight is probably going to be quite brutal. Even though there's no plot going on, that action can still hold me. I can also watch a lengthy show that only uses mecha action rarely and carries itself on the plot - Dougram is the obvious example here, but Ideon sort of counts too, its fights were usually really short and the show runs on its plot and setting.
But if you're trying to sell me something that has piss action sequences AND piss plot? Yeah, no, fuck that. I got suckered into Tobikage and will probably be suckered into more like it, but there's no way I spend a single cent to support that shit.
>I feel like it's very odd that we consider mecha "niche" when we have our own board dedicated (with some exceptions) to it.
I believe the original intention was to get /m/ things off a different board, probably /a/.
>"I don't like mecha but I loved Gurren Lagann"
>"Why can't other mecha anime be like Gurren Lagann?"
I'm not even hating on GL. I found it fairly enjoyable. But what exactly about it made people who don't normally like mecha consider it an exception?
The most common "reason" I see is because they like all the yelling and action, but then if you suggest other similarly colorful shows with a lot of action and yelling they're just written off as stupid by the same people who praise GL.
> But what exactly about it made people who don't normally like mecha consider it an exception?
>The most common "reason" I see is because they like all the yelling and action, but then if you suggest other similarly colorful shows with a lot of action and yelling they're just written off as stupid by the same people who praise GL.
I've thought about it a lot and I've decided that people who don't watch mecha misinterpret TTGL's genuine love for super robot anime as an ironic joke at the expense of super robot anime.
Because people are fucking stupid.
I think it's because TTGL is a combination of a lot of things newer anime fans value. Its colorful, new (at least by our standards), has a simple fast moving story, a few Moe characters for waifu shit, a dub with well known voice actors and is overall pretty easy to digest. Most /m/ stuff was made before 2005 so is simply too old/dated for them. Then the only stuff you have left are things without solid dubs, aren't as easy to digest, aren't as pretty or are just too long.
>I believe the original intention was to get /m/ things off a different board, probably /a/.
Oh sure, but I meant more in the since that most hobby communities tend to exaggerate their significance. /m/ is actually kinda humble
in that regard only
>Then the only stuff you have left are things without solid dubs, aren't as easy to digest, aren't as pretty or are just too long.
GGG has a better dub, looks prettier (especially eith those BDs), and is literally an episodic kid's show. It has all the same shit TTGL does and it's only twice as long. Shit, for the longest time it was /m/'s TTGL before TTGL came out-- the definitive "fuck yeah hype-ass robots" series with lots of yelling.
>Did RahXephon have a notable toy program? (I'm seriously ignorant about that, but the show was no toy-commercial).
I don't think so, but I expect it may have been an attempt at creating an Evangelion style merchandise empire based around character goods.
"30 Toy commercial" might be a bit narrow and simplistic as a description of how many Anime (even mecha) try and make money currently. Post-Eva most Anime put out now are built around selling character merchandise rather than just toys. Various things like keychains, phone fobs, notebooks, posters, figurines/statues, pillowcases and other stuff are easier to produce and sell then unique toys.
It's the Urobutcher's dick ride.
Casuals flock to it because they think it will cater to their "mature and deep anime for a mature person like me".
Still don't get why IBO is so much popular to casuals either. I've just marathoned 00 recently and despite the disappointing 2nd half, with the same episode of season 1, it already surpassed anything from IBO so far.
00's final episode was 7 years ago. That's over half the age of this site.
If it aired today it would've been huge (more huge than it is now I mean). But back then Geass was still too popular for average viewers to care.
I learned to stop trying to convince people to watch mecha anime, I got one friend hooked on the genre so hard though that he's watching shows I still haven't and is gonna eclipse me in mecha knowledge.
It's a nice feeling.
/m/ was created because of Gundam Seed Destiny. All you could ever find were threads about the show, other gundam, model kit magazine scans just clogging almost the entire 1st page of /a/
And people wonder how we went to shit when we started with a history like that.
Before someone says "/jp/ is no different", yes it is. /jp/ is incapable of being ruined because it was FOUNDED on the principles of 2hu and shitposting, and it has kept to those ideals since.
It's more Gundam than Geass in terms of appearances, so no, but has an almost emotionless protagonist and another guy who seemed more intersting at first yet turned out to be a loser.
>Mecha fans can't go 20 minutes without seeing robots hitting each other, which in fairness makes a certain amount of sense. But when a majority of people around here start genuinely bitching that there isn't an obligatory robot fight every single episode and claim that nothing is happening purely because robots aren't hitting each other then you start to doubt the judgement of the board.
Giant Robo is highly acclaimed around these parts. Yet, it had way more martial arts than actual giant robot fights.
>/m/ was created because of Gundam Seed Destiny
NO YOU FUCKING SHITHEAD.
IT WASN'T CREATED BECAUSE OF GUNDAM SEED DESTINY YOU FUCKING RETARD. STOP SPREADING THIS BULLSHIT.
THE EARLIEST RECORDS OF /M/'S EXISTENCE WAS ON AUGUST 16 2004.
SEED DESTINY AIRED IN OCTOBER 2004.
LOOK AT THIS FUCKING LINK AND STOP SPILLING SHIT.
And no one wants to try out ggg because clawshrimpy gave it a bad rap. And it just now is getting the bd's isn't it? I've only seen threads for them pop up in the last couple of months.
If they come to /m/ ask for a show like gurren laggan see ggg and then hear about a horrible guy in the Fandom they might skip over it. Fandom makes people avoid stuff, like with mlp and Steven universe
I don't really mind shallow anime, so I end up watching "kiddy" stuff and then people who ask to watch some with me end up with a bad taste in their mouth. Happens. I just don't show a very good image of mecha anime because they expect it to be different. I know it can be but that doesn't interest me.
From what I have gathered about /a/ specifically, they have a massive inferiority complex regarding /v/ that manifests as them telling anyone who likes something other than vapid cute girls doing nothing shows or meme shows like Geass or Evangelion to get out for liking "manime" or "mature shows for mature people such as myself." Their pretensions would be hilarious if they weren't so pitiable.
I used to think I'd never ever watch mecha because my only experience with it was Grendizer when I was a kid.
Back then it was already outdated and I thought it was boring.
My view on mecha was that they were all repetitive MOTW shows.
I slowly started watching some like 5 years ago.
At first it was imagawa stuff because the retro-style appealed to me, and I started to lurk on /m/.
After a few shows I slowly got more and more into it and started watching MOTW shows.
Nowadays I could watch any show with a robot in it
if it's not CGshit, but back in the day I would not get anywhere near a show like Zambot 3.
Here are some of the problem people have against mecha:
>GIANT robots are stupid (Medabots are ok)
>it's like transformer or some shit
>It's always the same shit
>They arr rook same
>I care more about characters
If some of you hate toku, that's probably how some people hate mecha.
Because they claim to hate all mecha shows with a single exception. And said exception is usually every bit as guilty of the things they claim to despise in other mecha shows (which they haven't watched).
No reason they HAVE to enjoy more than one mecha show, but their reasoning usually comes off as flawed and hypocritical.
No you couldn't. We allow anything on this board regardless of whether we should or shouldn't. I mean, I wish everyone on /m/ spammed and flooded tokushit threads until they finally went to /tv/ or /jp/ in the same way that /a/ does, but that won't be happening.