Best fe/m/ale pilot?
obviously Karen Joshua
The up is stepped then.
>Best fe/m/ale pilot?
Obviously Lunamaria Hawke
>Can't hit the broad side of a barn
>Give her the heavy ordnance
>Maybe she'll be competent in the Impulse!
>Tries to sweep kick a unit with BEAM SABER SHINS
Absolute fucking garbage. Shiho and Rena are the best CE female pilots, followed by that Dom lady and Cagalli pre-Destiny.
>Not one of you bitches is fit to be a pilot/meister!
Pretty big words coming from the character who had no real motivation of her own and had to be carried through pilot school by nepotism and then through her show by an over powered machine. She's ballsy and she's a great shouter, but that doesn't make her the best pilot.
Best pilot? I don't know.
Best tits? Of course.
>no real motivation of her own
I guess finding out what happened to her father and defending Earth are completely meaningless motivations, which invalidates about half of all /m/ protagonists.
>had to be carried through pilot school by nepotism
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy thing. She knew she was shit, so because she was chosen, she had to work that much harder to live up to everyone's expectations. And clearly it paid off more than selecting someone more naturally talented would have considering how she surpassed Kasumi.
>and then through her show by an over powered machine
It didn't save her from having to watch all her family and friends age and die and then being flung into the far future, unable to live in the very world she fought so hard to save. Nor did she get her father back. But she did kill a fuckload of aliens, and if she wasn't the best person for the job, the government easily could have chosen someone else.
> I guess finding out what happened to her father and defending Earth are completely meaningless motivations
You misunderstand anon. Motivation has a dual meaning, and I meant the other one. She had no desire to follow that path on her own for the first episode or two and only did so because Coach singled her out and essentially forced her to.
> it paid off
It doesn't matter, she was still only selected because of nepotism and not because of any display of talent, skill or personality on her part.
> considering she surpassed Kasumi
I don't recall anything that definitely says she surpassed Kasumi.
> It didn't save her from having to watch all her family and friends age and die
No-one said it did. She also wasn't alone in that. I'm not denying that she's a ballsy character and that she faced trying circumstances - only that doing so doesn't make her the best pilot.
> the government could easily have chosen someone else
I would doubt that, at least when selection is being left up to someone with a personal stake in choosing her. Other characters often seemed to show more talent, skill and drive than Noriko until she was put on the spot and yet weren't chosen for contrived reasons.
Lalah was good at sniping the ships. Actually, that's all Elmeth was built for - sniping purposes.
What are you using as a qualifier for "best"?
Sorry but the best female pilot in CE is pic related.
>pilots a high on death trap and still cleans house
>Became one of the most hunted underwater pilots by ZAFT naval forces earning her the nicknamwhitewail
Jane Houston a best. Also underwater combat is awesome so im biased wish there was more of it.il
She may not be the best pilot, but she is best mom.
No, she didn't, because adopting would imply that either Zenna and Dozle are dead within the GBF world or didn't want their daughter - neither of which are likely in a world as profoundly and explicitly nice as GBF's. She's their babysitter.
Her nickname is "White Whale" so would she have a whale tail?
I see your Lala and raise you Christine.
Then who is? Maybe she wasn't best at first, but the whole point of Gunbuster was that by using hard work and guts you could do anything, so she became the best pilot. Nobody else had the guts to do it. Even Kasumi acted like a bitch and tried to go back.
HARD WORK AND GUTS
> HARD WORK AND GUTS
It rings a bit false when she only got there because of nepotism on the part of Coach, had an innate ability to use lightning kicks that made her special compared to the other pilot candidates and was using the single most powerful machine in the setting for every serious fight in the show. Jung and Kazumi deserved it more, because they were actually putting in hard work all along, and not just when Coach pushed them to it and had just as much guts as her to boot.
> HARD WORK AND GUTS
> ALONG NEPOTISM AND OVERWHELMING ADVANTAGE
That second part doesn't sound nearly as cool though really does it.
>It rings a bit false when she only got there because of nepotism on the part of Coach,
Not only. She had the most guts. Coach also knew that she had inherited her father's guts whether she knew it or not. Not really nepotism, it's just genetics.
>had an innate ability to use lightning kicks that made her special compared to the other pilot candidates
So being able to beat other candidates in a battle means she's actually shit?
>and was using the single most powerful machine in the setting for every serious fight in the show.
>Jung and Kazumi deserved it more, because they were actually putting in hard work all along, and not just when Coach pushed them to it and had just as much guts as her to boot.
Kasumi nearly ran away from battle. That's not guts. Noriko may have started because of Coach but she was putting in just as much effort, if not more, afterwards.
>ALONG WITH NEPOTISM AND OVERWHELMING ADVANTAGE
Nobody could have done a better job at piloting Gunbuster. Sorry man but that's just how it is. You're hung up on who seemed like the best candidate at the time of picking when nobody could match Noriko's hotbloodedness in the end. She turned out to be the best and had the most guts, so she was picked. It doesn't matter if Coach knew that when he picked her because it's a story and that shit happens in stories all the time.
>choosing ridiculously awesome hotblooded giant-robots-in-space parody that isn't even a parody besides some bits in the first episode over the original, which is a girly show about tennis
man have you opened a new can of worms
> Not only. She had the most guts. Coach also knew that she had inherited her father's guts whether she knew it or not. Not really nepotism, it's just genetics.
Now you're just making excuses for the guy. Even if we want to pretend guts is an inherited trait, he never really said any such thing and when he saw her she was just about the single worst pilot in the school and coasting through with no effort.
> So being able to beat other candidates in a battle means she's actually shit?
If you have to deliberately and very obviously misinterpret something it's probably a sign you're arguing in bad faith. Noriko was never taught any kind of lightning kick, nor had anything about it been mentioned prior to that point - she just busted one out of nowhere. She had an innate ability to do them when other people couldn't. Coach got lucky in selecting her since there's nothing to indicate he knew anything about this, but it makes her special compared to other candidates and gives her an advantage no-one else has. Which makes the idea of her perserving because of hard work and guts ring false given that she is handed just about every advantage possible by the plot to put her in the forefront. She's not only secretly talented, but is pre-selected despite no sign of skill to go ahead of all other candidates who've worked much harder than her prior to that point and then given the best machine in the show.
>Kasumi nearly ran away from battle. That's not guts.
So you're just going to pretend that Noriko didn't have a break down at the start of episode 4 and run away from a duel with Jung because she was afraid of space and combat after losing Smith then? Okay, sure. Let's just pretend that only Kasumi had a moment of weakness and that Noriko is perfect. It's what Coach would do I guess.
> Nobody could have done a better job of piloting Gunbuster
Prove it. Kind of hard to know when other people are never given the option despite many people displaying more skill and a better work ethic multiple times in the show.
> Nobody could match Noriko's hotbloodedness in the end
Hotbloodedness isn't synoymous with piloting skill, not even in Gunbuster. Kasumi was right there with her at the end and willing to do everything she did with just as little hesitation, just in a calmer manner. Jung almost certainly could have too.
> She turned out to be the best and had the most guts
None of which is anything to do with piloting skill and we never get any real point of comparison once she gets in Gunbuster. We do know that Jung and Kasumi were better pilots prior to that point though and there's really no reason to assume she became a better pilot after getting in Gunbuster, since it carried her through every fight in terms of skill given the sheer advantage it provided.
> that shit happens in stories all the time
Oh good, you've fallen back on "it's a story and the story says she wins so therefor she's the best and we can't question that at all". Well this is an image board, where we discuss stuff in needless detail all the time. And the details in the show point to Noriko being only about the third best pilot in her show at best, never mind in all of /m/.
Ace is pretty hotblooded, actually
I think more literal blood is spilled on screen than in Gunbuster
S-She's just more mature, okay!
It's also a reaction-face goldmine
Don't worry anon, the rest of /m/ may have gone full Gundamfag/hipster but I still haven't. Noriko a based.
In any case, Sho is my pick
Gunbuster is a fun show with a really emotive and memorable ending and Noriko is a good lead character, but just because I like it doesn't mean I can't find faults with it. It's hard work and guts angle would have come off better with some minor adjustments. Of course, it was written on the fly to suit the whims of the creators at any given time by people who probably weren't nearly as concerned with those qualities as some of it's fans appear to be, so that's not really a fair expectation.
>season 2 subs never
Also best pilot, pic related
Not arguing she's the best in all of /m/, just in her own show. I'll admit I was arguing just for the sake of arguing but I don't think she was carried by Gunbuster. No matter how strong you are, in a clash like that you still need skill or you will be annihilated. Noriko went from 0 to being at least the third best pilot in the show so damn right she worked hard for it. By the final episode she is pretty much seen as a superior by Jung and Kasumi anyway.
Not to mention that being hot blooded is the theme Gainax was going for. Their shows and the anime that inspired them have a strong theme of spirit and will. Gunbuster is different because it shows people competing to pilot a super robot, which (to Gainax) run on hotbloodedness. If you look at the show alone then it doesn't make a ton of sense but seeing that it was Gainax's tribute to super robot shows it comes into focus.
>Literally a man-face. You either like men or drag queens, anon.
You have never seen a real flesh and blood woman in your entire life. I guess that comes from living in the basement eh anon ? Christ, what is this world coming to ?
If Gunbuster runs on hotblood then why was Kasumi the second pilot and good at it despite not being nearly as hotblooded
I can see and agree with most of what you're saying, I just find fault with the way that the show goes about it. Noriko never really rises about pilots like Kasumi and Jung before getting in Gunbuster and then only really fights alien bugs in such massive quantities that all she does is super moves like the super collidor and eye beam that don't convey skill on her part so much as overwhelming power on the part of the Gunbuster itself. If she'd fought once with that kind of passion and showed a lot of skill while in a RX-7 or a Sizzler before getting the Gunbuster it would work much better. Or if she'd been motivated by something other than Coach during the first episode. Or if she'd been more than the biggest joke in the school when we meet her. And so on.
It doesn't even make her an everyman either, since an everyman is average and Noriko starts as below average and bottom of the barrel. Yea it gives her a bigger hill to climb, but giving the character a big hill to climb doesn't matter if you're going to give her a chair lift up the majority of the way instead of showing her doing it on her own. Even then it's fine really because the show itself works regardless - I just don't like it when people try to claim she's the epitome of hard work and guts and that the show is all about it when it gives her advantages to help by pass everyone else throughout. It's like trying to claim that a guy who got in to a world class school because his parents were loaded and had several tests fudged because they bribed the board before getting a job at a huge firm afterwards since he was friends with the CEO is the epitome of hard work because he was willing to cram a couple of times and eventually turned out really good at his job. It doesn't quite fit.
I think most of that can be chalked up to mediocre pacing. The show isn't perfect and has problems.
I know what you mean about the battle but in the end it was supposed to be cool. That's all. I actually agree that Noriko wasn't really the best pilot until literally the moment the battle started in episode 5 and it doesn't show well on screen but I don't have much defense for why that is. She just is. The show wants to convey this but it doesn't do it as well. Anything else you have to take from sources like SRW that basically say "wow how hot-blooded, what a great pilot".
Kasumi was pretty hot-blooded in episode 5, to be fair.
Most of it's battles are cool, so it succeeds on that front. Like I said, I like Gunbuster. I think the first 3 episodes are pretty average and even kind of boring at points honestly, since the comedy of mechs doing tyre jumps and so on doesn't really do anything for me, but the back 3 episodes are much better and the groundwork laid in the opening episodes pays off really well in most ways. It also has a really, really strong final episode and one of the most emotive finales in mecha. I just don't think it does a good job of conveying the theme of hard work and guts all told.
I-I never implied she was!
there are some pretty ugly people in Ace, thought
Cagalli pre-Destiny was an interesting character but by no means a good pilot
The only reason she survived the final battle while the Astray girls got murdered is because she had people watching her back constantly and she was in a superior MS, whereas the Astray girls were in MP units and weren't space princesses
Aida really should have been the final boss of G-Reco
What are you talking about? Haman karn Is fucking baller as fuck in the qubeley.
Fair enough, I love the Qubeley design, I felt like it was the natural evolution of the mobile suit. Having autonomous bits, that flank and destroy the enemy is brilliant.
She is not perfect by any means.
But Char still died. I think that counts for something.
You forget she had SEED factor activate, which correlates to free piloting skill so long as you keep your resolve.
>Good CE girls
I get that they needed to fit that sticker thing into her design without crowding things, but either her forehead is massive or she's got a really high hairline. It looks really off in shots where you can see the curve of the top of her head.
I do love Diebuster though. OP and ED in particular are GOAT.
I went through the whole thread expecting it.
Karen Joshua is favorite eastern fe/m/ale pilot.
Overall favorite is pic related.
Why would I want to get on the ground and roll around in the dirt like that?
Generation of CE and a couple of the G Gen games too I believe.
It's entirely possible, she could be the godmother too - she's not the mom though, that's for definite. I like the idea that Dozle and Zenna aren't really in to Gundam or gunpla, but Haman is big in to it because of a past boyfriend and ends up getting Mineva in to it too as a way to connect with her and a thing they can enjoy together.
There is also an offhand comment about the Strike Rouge having an AI of some sort in it too. At least in the remaster.
Also, >pic related
I think there's a sidestory about her that I haven't read.
Read/watch KimiNozo faggot.
Yep, more experienced than Meiya and a funner characer all around. Is she legitimately the best pilot in Mabu Rabu? I guess Mana and maybe Marimo-chan are better?
I'd say Mana is a better pilot. Remember after the base invasion her TSF didn't take any damage or even stress out the joints. She's clearly very skilled.
In TDA it's highly implied that without the XB-70b and XM3
all of the girls in A01 as well as Mana and the 3 stooges are all killed in the post-Unlimited timeline's assault on the Sadogashima Hive, leaving Takeru as the only survivor. Meiya probably would have perished there as well, but with Yuuhi off on the spaceship, by this point she'd already taken up her sister's role as ShogunSo emo-Takeru is probably the best pilot in mubrub, though that's a bit cheating, what with the looping knowledge nonsense.
Why would they assault Sadogashima anyway? I thought in Operation Babylon
they just G-bombed all of Eurasia's hives, and sunk the continent along with them. At worst, wouldn't they have died when Japan sunk, rather than in battle for nor reason?And this thread is for femaly pilots only anyway, obviously Takeru is TSF god.
Did you actually watch that? Once the robot was formed the girls literally had no access to any controls, they just sat there while the guy did all the fighting. Even though Mia was still portrayed as the main character and the villain focused his grudge on her.
>Why would they assault Sadogashima anyway?
Because, apparently, some events are 'fated' to happen regardless of timeline, though disruption of the timeline can delay or change the events. For instance, Takeru's actions in preventing the squad's deployment to the volcano in Alternative pushed Sagiri into his coup d'etat, whereas in Unlimited Meiya's actions forestalled it until at least two years later when Fagiri rebels anyway (signing up with the French and being unable to kill Walken now that his Raptor's not sabotaged and even though Walken's under strict orders not to kill Fagiri).
At any rate, the G-Bomb attacks during Operation Babylon coincided with a massive world-wide counterattack against all Hives, which failed spectacularly without the advances gained in Alternative.
>thread is for female pilots only
Sure, but the prior poster mentioned the 'best pilot in mabu rabu', without gender restrictions.
>liking a Wuff
GAS THE CLANS
SPACE WAR NOW
Maya is a killing machine.
I think they did give her a really high hairline, she mentions not liking her hair at a couple points and during a flashback remembers her long hair.
Last episode fixes her hair when the Noriko and Kazumi come back.
The girl with the cap, you know the one who rolled all over her friend who is pretending to defect over to the Feds and literally used a single bullet to disable a Gundam by shooting it's back pack thrusters in the right spot to jam it while not exploding it.
>everyone in Ace ugly
I think you're forgetting best girl.
>5 out of 8 isn't bad
>Emma's the fucking queen though
Also talk about the fucking dead squad.
Seriously though most of the answers I would go with have already been posted, I was tempted to show up with Reccoa or Quess but I give /m/ more credit than to take that seriously