Is Macross Frontier the comfiest mecha show in the last 10 years?
>Dat first OP
>Legend of Zero
>On your Marks
>High school Queen
Honestly, it's one of the few shows where I can pick a random episode and watch without needing to watch the rest.
High School Queen is where some mixed feeling settle in, but the first seven or so episodes are all solid 10/10 exhilarating. The middle of the series just drags a bit too much with trying to force Ranka into a triangle where she doesn't fit, but Frontier remains one of the best and most optimistic space anime I've seen in a long time. The design and music just nail the perfect feeling of tone and setting.
And it doesn't end with the annoying bitersweet ending that mecha anime have been pulling for awhile now. As for High school queen, it's one of those mediocre episodes that I love, because I can sit back, crack open a beer and enjoy the laughs. But yea, that first half of Frontier is just so fucking great. Wish there would have been more episodes like that.
Am I the only one who couldn't really get into Frontier because I didn't really like the main trio? Alto was boring and kind of a dick sometimes, Sheryl always seemed full of herself, and Ranka was sweet but otherwise not particularly interesting. I don't remember having any issues with the side characters, but truth be told I don't really remember them much at all.
I haven't seen the movies yet, maybe I'd like those better.
>but Frontier remains one of the best and most optimistic space anime I've seen in a long time.
I don't know about optimistic. Those later episodes where the Frontier colony is falling apart is kind of dark.
Alto is one of the more interesting Macross protagonists and Sheryl eventually starts to act less arrogant.
>Alto is one of the more interesting Macross protagonists and Sheryl eventually starts to act less arrogant.
I finished the entire TV series but I never grew to like either of them, for some reason.
It's understandable, they're not for everyone.
Even through all that, the ending was a happy and peaceful one
Majestic Prince was pretty damn comfy all through the series IMO
When I first watched Frontier like seven years ago and was a bit too new to anime, I would have agreed with you but these days having seen some pretty awful love triangles and realized none of them were all that bad. Sheryl mainly though
Yes, but not in that form. She's better in her original skin.
This or, techincally, Shingu.
>tfw he just wanted to see his waifu again
Why not just nab the raw and download the subs separately?
I have no problem with that. Do you have a link to where I can download the subs? I can easily find a raw so that part isn't a big deal.
I really want to enjoy Ishtar in 1080, if you get my drift.
I don't remember if this is where I got them or not, but if it is be warned that the alien dialogue is not translated.
Would Frontier have been better if it were a harem starring Ozma?
I just finished watching the movies, and I liked them much more than the TV series, which I thought was forgettable. But fuck Alto disappearing at the end. I know that there were strong implications that he would eventually return, but if you're going to imply anything at all then you might as well just SHOW it. Either leave things open-ended or go all the way, damnit.
>High School Queen is where some mixed feeling settle in
Plebs can't deal with comedy.
>The middle of the series just drags a bit too much with trying to force Ranka into a triangle where she doesn't fit
The middle dragged for many reasons but any attempt at "romance" in the show was comlpetely forced. You have Alto who's trying to deal with his own shit but the two attention whores kept dumping their problems on him. Kawamori doesn't function without shipping bait.
>High school queen episode
It's by far one of the best episodes.
Why is Brera so cool and obviously best boy guys?
Sheryl never tried to push her problems on him though, that was Ranka. In fact Sheryl tried to hide her problems from him until he found out and chose to get involved, and Alto choosing to get involved with Sheryl's problems helped him come to terms with his own.
The love triangle was forced because it was lop-sided. You had two people at the cusp of starting a serious relationship and one little girl who provides conflict to that, but isn't serious end game. It's actually a type of love triangle and one that isn't used often, because being that third party takes a certain level of delusion, which just makes them way too pitiful, if not annoying and hateful.
Ranka's sole position in Alto's story is as a means for him to run away from his problems. She's used as placeholder for things that he actively gives a shit about, which is why after he gets his shit together and she threatens the things he cares about he decides to kill her.
>because being that third party takes a certain level of delusion, which just makes them way too pitiful, if not annoying and hateful.
Yeah but she was cute tho
You people are retarded if you think Macross Frontier is comfy or even good.
>Sheryl never tried to push her problems on him though
No but she expected him to come and fix everything every single time. Ranka was an idiot who couldn't wipe herself properly so she kept asking for help, Sheryl would just shit herself, wait until the stench turns absolutely unbearable so someone would notice it, see the mess and then call for Alto to clean up the toilets.
>The love triangle was forced because it was lop-sided
The love triangle is forced because both girls started to interact with MC (the only guy in the universe worth talking to apparently) and suddenly can't live without his dick because of reasons.
>You had two people at the cusp of starting a serious relationship and one little girl who provides conflict to that
You have one guy who wants to straighten his issues and two dumb attention whores who keep dumping more problems on the pile.
The movies are another story.
>No but she expected him to come and fix everything every single time
I thought one of Sheryl's issues was that she didn't do this or try to reach out to anybody which only made her feel worse and start dying without telling anybody. I mean I know in the movies Alto finds out she was afraid of being alone
I liked it
>Implying you can see the fucking future
Do you see past, present and future collide into one three dimensional proto-scape, with dips and valleys; hills and high mountains leading to alternative paths of history and things -that-may-be?
Does the constantly changing minutiae of every situation reveal to you information inconceivable? Do the infinite possibilities of the next nano-sceond reveal themselves to you?
Are you the Kiswatz Haderach?
Then stop trying to tell people you know what's going to fucking happen you mong.
Also, Sheryl is best girl.
Macross Delta will be bad, only plebs think otherwise. It looks generic as shit with idols and generic pretty yaoi boys among other shit.
>which is why after he gets his shit together and she threatens the things he cares about he decides to kill her.
>she threatens the things he cares about
And that was Alto being manipulated by Leon. There's no way Ranka would have willingly destroyed Frontier. By the end of the series he's blinded by Leon's hate doctrine and Sheryl had to shake that idea off him in ep 24.
It's actually the pretty standard triangle of choosing a mature love (Sheryl) versus a juvenile one (Ranka). Choosing the first means growing up for Alto, and the same goes for Ranka when she lets go of him in ep 21 (at least until ep 25 fucks things around reviving the triangle), when she sticks to a decision he very much disapproves of when previously she had relied on him for everything. The love triangle in SDFM was like this, too.
In the movies, though, the triangle is different. Because now Alto and Ranka are best friends so him joining SMS in part in order to protect her feels more genuine, and Ranka is more mature and confident, doesn't rely on him as much or feel as insecure around Sheryl as in the tv series. So I feel like the contrast between a mature love vs. a juvenile one isn't as strong, but it's still there since despite knowing Ranka for longer he connects with Sheryl on a deeper level that he ever did with Ranka. For example, compare the last part of his beach date with Ranka and how he laughs at Ranka feeling at home with the Vajra or how, although he seems touched when she talks about every small living thing having a heart, Alto doesn't feel the same connection he does at Sheryl's later monologue about how the stage is her life.
Leon didn't even give a shit about Alto. By the last episodes Leon wasn't in position to manipulate anyone, he just said what he knew, and that was that Ranka abandoned Frontier and was possibly working with Grace both of which spelt trouble for Frontier. Remember Ranka was far more useful to Leon alive than dead.
It was Alto who came to the decision to kill Ranka on his own.
Exactly, there's nothing special about her that makes you care for her as a character.
Why does everybody bully Ranka? I mean, obviously Sheryl was best girl but Ranka was okay. If she had any crime at all, it was how easily she was used by people but it wasn't exactly to her knowledge.
I mean I'm just saying there are worse girls out there to bully
I like her because she has faults even if most people find that "annoying".
I like Ranka in a little sister kind of way. The way she acts, the way she looks makes me incapable of seeing here as anything but a little sister. Much like Mylene.
>If she had any crime at all, it was how easily she was used by people but it wasn't exactly to her knowledge.
No. Remember when she had to sing to stop Vajra but didn't because muh Alto and because of it a lot of people died? All of that suffering is her own fault. She wasn't used by anyone. She was just delusional and acting selfish, thinking that a guy who saw her as nothing but a little sister figure had hots for her, and feeling betrayed that he actually dares pick another girl.
That's Ranka - and her fans, in a nutshell. Delusional, thinking there's a chance of a relationship there where there obviously is not.
Thank you. Have some more best Meltran and best human.
Did you pay any attention to the series at all? She never felt that singing to kill Vajra was right, but did it because of peer pressure (by all means, logically it was the right thing to do except her gut feeling kept telling her it wasn't). When she refused to sing in ep 20 she was being stupid about it, in part because she had just seen Alto and Sheryl together but also because she didn't want to because it wasn't the right thing to do, and no one, no one, accounted for her singing actually making the Vajra more violent because no one knew that her negative emotions would affect them in a bad way.
>That's Ranka - and her fans, in a nutshell. Delusional, thinking there's a chance of a relationship there where there obviously is not.
I don't give a shit about shipping in Frontier. Heck, I think Alto had a negative impact on Ranka, while Sheryl was a positive influence.
Leon was one of the bad guys and pretty much manipulating everyone on Frontier so he could exterminate the Vajra, what the heck.
Did you pay attention at all? By the series end Leon had been out maneuvered by Grace and Frontier was on its last leg and Leon couldn't do shit. Besides that his goal wasn't exterminating the vajra.
No other anon is right, Ranka was never pressured into making any decision. If anything the people around her urged her to think hard about what SHE wanted to do. However, as far as she was concerned if she fought the vajra then Alto would like her more, but Alto never once even hinted that either. He like everyone else told Ranka to do what she thought was best. Alto was also the only person that Ranka listened to on the subject.
Ranka didn't start thinking that the Vajra weren't that bad until AFTER she saw Ai-kun change. And yes, Ranka was partially motivated by her own selfishness. She was only manipulated once and that was in episode 24, and even that only happened because of her own poor decision making. Ranka caused Ranka's problems, there's no else to blame for it but her.
There's a corresponding culturally insensitive lewd Ranka pic too.
I guess you missed the part about the Vajra being a threat to Frontier. He initially only wanted to use them, but once they became too much of a threat, he treated them as such.
By that point, they had no choice. Frontier was on its last leg and it was either find a planet or die.
>However, as far as she was concerned if she fought the vajra then Alto would like her more
Ranka never asked Alto whether she should sing for Frontier's protection or not. This had nothing to do with Alto. Obviously Ozma and everyone else would have supported her if she had decided not to sing, but with how the situation was the logical course of action was to sing in order to protect the Frontier fleet since as far as everyone knew back then they were the bad guys who kept attacking the fleet. I called it peer pressure, but maybe there's a better word from it. Anyways, what I meant is that it completely seemed like the best option to take at that point although as soon as Ranka sang in ep 16 she started to feel like it wasn't right.
I was going to post it but it just felt wrong.
I think I have the new Itsuwari no Utahime cover too. That one is quite lewd.
I have a big collection of Frontier art but unfortunately a good chunk of it are just photos or samples.
Like this one and the Ranka and Minmey versions. I wish there were some proper scans or better photos since it's a tapestry.
I wouldn't say it's entirely due to shipping no matter how much Rankafags claim it to be so. Ranka fucked up, she genuienly fucked up and when you add in her immaturity it kind of makes her annoying.
This is some of the most recent art released.
I could swear I had the Sheryl version but I can't find it right now.
I had forgotten how lewd this one was. Ranka is undressing Sheryl.
>He initially only wanted to use them, but once they became too much of a threat, he treated them as such.
Then you should have said he didn't want to exterminate the Vajra "initially".
>I wouldn't say it's entirely due to shipping
It's a considerable amount though
I love nose art
Damn, I don't think I've seen proper scans or photos of these ones.
I hope Risa Ebata draws the Walkure girls at some point.
Feels like Macross is the only franchise left that can have marketable idols in it and can have them sing about actual love or at least lewd/sexy/actual romance stuff. Idol shows these days only have the girls sing about hope, dreams and friendship and shit like that which is fine and all but we need some variety. Bring back the "My boyrfiend is a pilot" or "I am your Black Bunny, a dangerous sexy flag, my hipline is a danger"
Luckily, the GIRI GIRI AI song has plenty of references to a girl about to come
>it just felt wrong.
Yeah, what happened to native americans is often overlooked.
God damn that black outfit is hot.
>ass cheeks visible form the front
Anyone has a higher res of this.
Am actually considering a patch for my jacket.
Thanks I always thought the patch was different, but it seems its just cropped.
Have this other lewd patch.
Have a better version
She called him into her room and asked him for his advice she didn't say on what but it was obvious what she was asking advice on. It should be obvious what she really meant.
On top of that she was also questioned by Breda on why she was doing what she was doing, and her answer was because she wanted Alto to love her. In episode 16 Ranka was really just upset about her mother's lullaby being remixed by Grace but again when asked by Grace if she should just trash it since it was important to her, again Ranka said nothing.
It was Ranka who made the decision to be Frontier's "songstress of hope" without any pressure from anyone around her. The only one to blame for Ranka's mistakes is Ranka and no one else.
Also you're proving other anon's point about Rankafags.
That it did. I do think Frontier will be an overall better show (for better or for worse, the show just reeked of love and passion), but don't hate Delta based only on one episode.
This is my OTP
I know what you mean. I have a shitload of art that are sample or too small for me to even bother posting.
That's not to say you're wrong because your not, however Kawamori fully intended for Alto and Sheryl to end up together from the very start, this means that all their interactions have this end goal in mind, and that Ranka from a story telling standpoint is the third wheel. Alto's relationship with Ranka is one filled with misdirection, lies, and fake personas. Alto isn't in the least bit interested in starting a relationship with Ranka, he only sees her as a placebo for his desire to protect Frontier. Ranka in turn views Alto as her "prince on a white horse" protecting her from all that threatens her and always being there for her. However this is a lie, because though Alto chose Ranka to be a placebo, thing is he's never actually saved Ranka, so the entire basis of their relationship that is Alto being Ranka's protector is a lie. When you add in Alto's habit of keeping Ranka at arm's length, and clearly avoiding the mere thought about being in a relationship with her, you have a love triangle where the third party has a one-sided attraction, since the object of affection has no romantic interest in them and never seriously considered them. This means that the third party never had a chance to begin with, and their belief that they stood a chance was ultimately just their own delusion. We see this with Ranka taking things like a scripted kiss, and stage show as signs of affection from Alto, but at the same time not knowing when his birthday is or that he's a famous Kabuki actor, or realizing that he never actually talks about himself with her.
For the record the love triangle in Macross was also about Hikaru moving on from an unrequited love, hence the song Runner, where the singer vows to stop chasing after the girl in the photos(Minmei).
The love triangle in the movie wasn't a choice between childhood and adulthood, because unlike the TV series Ranka, movie Ranka was mentally Alto's peer. In this case ire it wasn't a choice between fake and real, because Alto's relationship with both girls was real, both girls also demanded Alto to be an adult in order for him to be in a relationship with either of them.
So what was the choice in the movies then? It was a choice between someone who was essentially his soul mate yet unknown and possibly treacherous versus someone he was familiar and comfortable with but who was just too different from him and he just couldn't understand no matter how he tried. In order for Alto's relationship with Sheryl to progress he needed to place his faith in her no matter how much the situation made it look like he shouldn't.
Alto at the end chose to place his faith in Sheryl with she didn't betray, she showed him that he placed his faith in the right girl. Which was why Alto was so hurt when he thought that she was dead, he fell for her, and placed his faith in her even when everyone said he shouldn't she doesn't betray his trust but then dies, seemingly ending their relationship prematurely.
FYI that distance existed in the TV series as well. Alto in the TV series just couldn't understand tv Ranka on a fundamental level, which was a part of why he couldn't be her protector because he needed the help of others just to understand her, they were just too different. Sheryl however was his kindred spirit. This is what "Ao no Ether" was about her realizing that Alto and her were just too different. But then he saves her life and Ranka again not knowing that this was solely because of Sheryl mistakenly gets the impression that she still had a chance. She never really grew up in that regard.
>You'll never have a threesome with Klan Klein and Sheryl Nome because you could never get them to match eachother's size.
>You'll never have a foursome with Pixie Squad.
Damn, you're right,
Man, I did not get my whining in the TV show Alto did not "choose" to Ranka and Sheryl, both became his wings ...
A movie just sucks ...
>You will never submit to her
Nobody forbids you to dream, but to escape from reality is just silly
All the TV ending tells us is that Ranka still hasn't given up. It still gives zero indication of Alto having any romantic feelings for Ranka. The "you're both my wings" comment indicates that he cares about her and relies on her, but there's nothing distinctly romantic about it. Or about any of his other interactions with Ranka at any point in the series, for that matter.
> The "you're both my wings" comment
It indicates that Ranka and Sheryl are equally dear to him, and if he likes Sheryl, it turns out that he loves Ranka - no need to invent something extra ... unless, of course, you're not a fan of Sheryl, but your personal preferences do not matter
No it doesn't anon, again Kawamori himself said that it wasn't romantic. Ranka is important to Alto just not romantically. Alto calling the girls his wings has nothing to do with romantic feelings.
As for Alto's romantic feelings for Sheryl are actually separate from that, and are treated differently. And again it was Kawamori himself who shot the belief dead. Face it Ranka's feelings for Alto are one-sided, she believes that she still has a chance
she doesn'tbut even that is separate from the comment.
FYI Alto also made a similar comment in the movies as well, and like the TV series it was shown to be separate from his romantic affections.
I unironically compare Macross Frontier to a hundred million dollar hollywood action adventure summer blockbuster.(and not in a negative way)
Call Kanno a hack, a copycat, a fraud, but her John Williams imitation worked wonders for F, in the same way Williams elevated the likes of Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and Jurassic Park to near legendary adventure status.
I will admit the second half(or specifically when Brera shows up) tapers off rather quickly, but still holds that magical feeling, if only a bit loose
Kawamori much that was going to make, including to kill one of the girls, for which he was suspended and the final stages of creating a TV series ...
Therefore, it is of no importance that Kawamori said, what matters is how it is displayed in the show ...
again - "It indicates that Ranka and Sheryl are equally dear to him, and if he likes Sheryl, it turns out that he loves Ranka - no need to invent something extra ..."
>t-the creator's words don't matter because I say so.
Uh no, Alto wanted to kill Ranka because she was an enemy of his home, it was Sheryl's plea for him not to do so, that made him decide against it. Alto was always using Ranka as an placeholder for Frontier, until the final episodes where finally admitted that it was really Frontier that he wanted to protect the whole time, not Ranka. So there isn't anything that contradicts Kawamori's words, if anything all his words do is point out the obvious for any delusional Rankashippers.
How it is displayed through out in the show is that Alto has no romantic feelings for Ranka at all, and really does nothing to egg her on. In fact, all their friends stop trying to push them together when they realize that he's not interested in her. And one point in time Mikhail practically yells at him that Ranka loves him and Alto doesn't give a shit. On top of that you also have the story giving out parallels to Alto and Ranka's brothers/protectors, because that's the "role" he took up, it's only Ranka who doesn't see it that way.
There is a difference between being important to someone, and being in love with them. There is such a thing as platonic feelings, which means feelings that aren't romantic in nature, that is the nature of Alto's feelings for Ranka. Sheryl's, Brera's, and Ozma feelings towards Ranka are paralleled in the same manner.
Bottom line is Ranka lost in the tv series, and you shouldn't even need Kawamori (or the rest of the staff) pointing it out to realize that.
FYI, it wasn't just Kawamori who pointed out that the line wasn't romantic in nature, it was the whole staff as well as the Nips. In fact they had a big laugh about it.
The link to the source did not give? ... However, there is a saying, "It is useless to someone else's opinion, that does not change anything"
TV clearly and concisely shows all the complexity of the relationship between the characters themselves and with others - to be honest, they all made a lot of mistakes - but at the end of the series Ranka and Sheryl and Alto understood their feelings, and the result of which was the phrase "...Both of you are my wings!"...
Polygamy was not invented for nothing, you know?
I already told you the source, anon, the extras for the Blu-Rays extra commentaries which were released a while back. I'm not about to search through 2 years of AnimeSuki threads just because you've been out of the loop.
Sometimes there is a right and wrong way to interpret things. And in this case you interpreted it incorrectly. The last episode didn't reset anything. In fact there is no dialogue there that even suggests that, besides the delusions of Rankafags and haremfags.
Alto himself has never shown any interest in being in a relationship with Ranka, at all. Also doesn't really understand Ranka at the end of the tv series either, and if anything that ending was against the idea of the the three of them could ever be in a threesome, since neither Sheryl nor Alto have any interest in being in a relationship with Ranka, Ranka wants to have Alto exclusively, and Sheryl still needs to play a mediator in order for Alto to be able to understand Ranka, because without Sheryl's interference Alto would have killed Ranka, and Alto and Sheryl are in a relationship which Ranka doesn't know about.
As I said before someone can be important to you, without you wanting to fuck. That is essentially Sheryl and Alto's feelings towards Ranka. Alto's words are literally the equivalent of, "if not for the two of you I wouldn't be where I am today" which is just an accumulation of his character development not romantic development.
Just so you know Kawamori products don't have harem endings, and Macross is not a harem series, if you want an harem end you're in the wrong place. On top of that further destroy any other points, the tv series was originally going to have a scene where Alto rejected Ranka, the reason it doesn't was because they couldn't find a place to fit it in and in the original place that was going to be included seemed too awkward. Sorry but not polygamy end for you.
Frontier is probably better than 7 and SDF desu senpai.
canon Nose-Art that is of the actual characters in the show is something I hardly ever see, but I fucking love.
I can't say I've seen it outside of Macross
In the Frontier series she'd be our equivalent of a 17 year old. Since Ozma outright says that the legal age in Frontier is 17. In Ranka's case though her attitude makes her seem much younger.
According to this flawed logic, it turns out that Alto and Sheryl "separated" - she had told him "... that's enough already play lovers ..."
Besides, as I wrote - "It is useless to someone else's opinion, that does not change anything" - in other words, the author's opinion is not valid, if not reflected in the product ...
As for the "Interpretation" - in my opinion, everything is clear in the last episode of the TV, look once more
And by the way, I'm a Clan`s fan
Again, you're interpretation is incorrect.
Alto's feelings for Sheryl are genuiene and they both know it the reason why, Sheryl said "let's stop pretending to be lovers" despite knowing that neither of them are pretending was because she knew she was dying and she didn't want him to tie himself down to her. Also nice job ignoring the fact that Alto said that she was wrong immediately afterwards.
Sometimes there is a right and wrong way to interpret something, such is the case right now. I'm not stating an opinion, I'm stating a fact. The creator isn't stating an opinion he was stating a fact.
Your interpretation is wrong and uses flawed logic, deal with it.