The GitS franchise has become just like the Major.
It started out as a fun, sexy and edgy, if somewhat unfocused, cyberpunk action manga, and then slowly became more and more drab, cynical, stupid and self-destructive.
Now that it has lost all of its personality, now that it is but a characterless shell of its former self driven only by random whims, it is about to take its final jump into the unknown by fusing its IP with a soulless American monster seeking only to propagate itself through it: Hollywood.
To ensure that GitS' slow descent into self-obsessed retardation has not been in vain, we must help it transcend the medium of paper and film, lest it dies ignominiously for the sake of corporate profit. We must allow it to reach a new state of existence through the network. GitS must now become a meme, or face extinction.
So rev up those memes if you still have hope for Motoko, Batou and the rest, fellow funposters.
Are you taking the piss?
It started as a pretty sci fi manga whose fluff was haphazardly delivered. Oshii made it way more focused and mature while cutting out some happy go lively ness(the decision that ultimately brought in line with 90's zitgeist, and influenced the Wichowski's) Some of that substance was dropped for the show but over all the action it got helped to spice things up a bit. Now the series slit exists mainly for the same reason most late 90's early 20's media is fan nostalgia and a recognizable franchise, the same reason they are even making a movie now and not ten,fifteen years ago when the tones that Oshii aplied where still in their heyday.
you can say that with a lot of either long running or revived franchises whether it's anime, tv shows or movies. I don't think you can even find anime in the last 15 years that can be considered as genre defining as GiTS
... you really haven't read cyberpunk, have you? Heck, you sound like one of the people mad about not having the mental processing power to read a goddamn comic book, and are now taking it out on the internet.
How many "bluh bluh bluh shirow bad pretentious oily horsecocks"-threads do we have every week anyway? 3? 4? All by the same people.
>Oshii made it way more focused and mature Oshii made it more generic and boring. Fucker is like a super pretentious Tomino; every character has half an hour of expositing high school philosophy
>Are you trying to say that these threads aren't legitimate?
Well, they aren't.
I'm saying this thread appears several times a week, every week of the month, every month of the year, produced by the same whiners who for some incredible reason find it impossible to let Shirow's crime of gaining fame and acclaim without dumbing things down to their level.
It's not that I get irritated over this thread for its content. It's the endless repetition. Like the /m/ front page applying sandpaper to your eyes every time I ever look at it. As bad as the forced /pol/ threads.
I don't understand that.
Something righteous and correct is repeated very often, so at some point it becomes irritating to the point where you compare it to sandpaper?
How does that work?
>cause there aren't pretty little thumbnails attached to the posts
I had hoped we'd be able to meme the shit out of this ungodly half-dead frankenstein monster of a franchise to at least get a kick out of it.
Or alternatively just circlejerk over old Shirow gals like we usually do, that's cool too.
But for some reason you get mad instead of memeing.
You guys need to chill.
>Oshii made it way more focused and mature
This is what Oshii drones actually believe.
The GITS movie I watched made me not give a crap about the IP.
I mean, it's weird, considering I actually like Shirow's Apple Seed.
Maybe it has to do with Oshii. The dullness of his works were well suited for the wave of armchair critics from the USA.
Definitely not for me. Bring back the fun side of GITS and maybe I'll consider having a second look at the franchise.
I definitely like the Patlabor TV series, judging from the episodes I've seen. I'm dreading the day I have to sit through Oshii's "superior" version.
You can't force a meme.
Though I'm beyond caring what happens to the Major. Hentai creeps me out, and that part of the Major was made well before I knew about GiTS. At least that movie and show got really enjoyable. Maybe she'll make enough money for pants everyday.
>I'm dreading the day I have to sit through Oshii's "superior" version.
Makes you wonder how Nanto and company are taking having to go through his live-action TV continuation so far. No one on Earth is subbing the show except for them.
The fun side of GitS is very narrow, though.
there's other Shirow IPs that have more fun in them.
At this point, Koukaku no Pandora pisses me off because it's blatant moeshit, but at least it's not yet another attempt to cash in on the GitS movie's success.
I despise most fan service. Does a military cyborg need pants? Not at all. If if the Major will take the time for a jack or gloves, just get some pants. A decent. Pair. Of pants.
Yeah, although he does need to focus on finishing singular shows. Still, it's impressive that he's able to balance everything in his life (according to a forum post on a Lensman topic, he never gets bored).
While you should probably understand that hentai really isn't creepier than real porn (it might be less creepy in a way, considering you aren't getting off to real other people fucking each other), nobody can change you mind.
>I had fun once
>It was a profound meta experience
Well I like the cute robogirls with tight bodies, floofy hair and highleg leotards.
Wow, I never noticed the design similarity between the Major and the teacher from Secret Plot until just now.
>reminiscing about Secret Plot
Welp, time to fap.
The movie is pretty and all, but if it had a point, it's not very well conveyed (in spite of all the very blunt philosophical dialog it throws at you).
If it's a buddhist "the self is an illusion" message then it's really not well-demonstrated, since the protagonist doesn't really have a personality in the first place, and is a freak on top of that.
If it's about accepting death it's also a bit fucked because there's this creepy doll at the end that claims to be the Major.
If it's about how humanity should become internet people, then where are all the scenes where we see loli post-motoko doing super cool shit on the internet?
If it's about how religious figures take advantage of vulnerable, desperate individuals, then the ending isn't quite ominous enough.
I mean, generally it looks too gloomy and pessimistic to be promoting any agenda, but the ending isn't explicitly bad so it can't be a cautionary tale either (at least not an effective one).
Did Oshii just fuck up? or did he just not care about delivering any message in spite of all the universal themes that are addressed very blatantly in the dialog?
>I don't really want to go further, not the place for it. I'd make a shitposter out of one or both of us.
If I'm not mistaken, the Major actually comments on why she dresses starkly. By being more forward with her body, she is more of a somebody. Might not be strange for someone who never really got to known their own.
Are you dense? The quote is actually pretty fucking straightforward; so straightforward, in fact, that I had trouble coming up with a simpler way of saying what he said, but I think you could summarize it like this:
Birds have voices, which cause us to feel for them when they are in pain (crying, for example), but fish we feel nothing for, because they are unable to articulate their suffering; they die silently. Oshii then generalizes the comparison; the desire is for us to consider how censorship/lack of insight affects our compassion toward others.
A good example of this would be terrorists in Gaza. From over here, it can be difficult to sympathize with them; they attack innocent people and just can't seem to get over the fact that Jews own Jerusalem right now. How could anyone be compassionate toward such a person? It's not easy. But if you actually got to hear one of those terrorists talk to you, then you might hear about how they are being oppressed (at least in their own minds; I'm not here to make a political statement about the situation in Gaza); you might at least sympathize with them, understanding why they commit evil, even if you don't agree with their methods.
Also (forgot to put this in with >>13827298), killing someone is evil in my religion, full stop. It is an evil that is sometimes "just" - just war, or self-defense, etc. - but it is never not evil, and it requires forgiveness.
The GitS movie is certainly very well-crafted, but that alone doesn't explain its success. Many other anime movies were made with at least as much care but haven't had a tenth of its fame.
All in all I think its success is due to the fact that it's a huge cultural alibi.
It's a cultural alibi for teenagers who want to legitimize looking at anime tits by bringing up all the smart quotes and artsy shots.
It's a cultural alibi for intellectuals who don't wanna seem out-of-touch with the youth but don't want to compromise themselves too much.
It's a cultural alibi for normal people who want to seem nerdy and unique without having to be nerds.
It's anime without being anime. It's the Toyota Prius of anime. It's the e-cig of anime. The Coca-Cola Zero of anime.
How's that for a meme?
Pandora is here to save Shirowverse.
>Everyone bitching about which version of the Major/Section 9 they like.
Do you have any more of these? GitS 4koma seem fairly rare, and I haven't run into much translated.
Thanks for adding some needed levity, all the same. I don't particularly like Arise, but I don't lose sleep over it--it's not like everything that came before it was somehow wiped from existence.
Post lewd Motokos.
Manga major is best. All others are boring.
Appleseed (just don't expect an ending though since the earthquake destroyed Shirow's house. Instead of finishing Appleseed, he silently had a breakdown and drew nothing but horse penises for years.)
Dominion/Dominion Conflict: No More Noise. Phantom of the Audience one-off if you can find it.
Number Eighteen is the best operator.
Why does the Appleseed CGI anime have so many continuations, I didn't think it was popular. I think for a time the last OVA was American exclusive, and I first found it in Wal-mart.
>TFW No more Fire Emblem with Shirow art
Also Nintendo give a shiton of money to make him work in FE?
Oda took a mediocre cyberpunk manga and made it into one of the greatest anime films of all time. Many consider it one of the greatest science fiction films ever made period.
SAC and Arise directors/staff couldn't match it. kek'd at the pic on the right though.
How was Ghost in the Shell: The "New" Movie anyway?
This coming from a guy who actually really enjoyed ARISE?
I want a slice of life comedy about the major and her two friends.
It should also be noted that Motoko doesn't dress like a stripper all the time in the manga. She has a costume change every scene, pretty much.
I guess this was a SAC thing because they don't like drawing multiple outfits (most anime don't, really. That's why I like stuff like Dirty Pair, City hunter etc).
Also, Fuchikoma > tachikoma
>Instead of finishing Appleseed, he silently had a breakdown and drew nothing but horse penises for years.)
>"Shirow’s name is his to sully however he chooses. He’s evidently realized that he needn't draw comics about his story ideas; he just pitches them to Production I.G, which has so far made two TV series, Ghost Hound and Real Drive, based on Shirow’s proposals. This leaves Shirow much more valuable time for drawing cybernetic mercenary women being violated by anthropomorphic mountain goats."
Kind of sums it all up, really. Rarely have I seen an artist go so completely mental.
Only yanks consider it to be a downfall because of their preconceived notions about what a respectable author should and shouldn't do.
He likes to draw hentai, good for him. There's literally nothing wrong with that.
his style really out of place in any anthology hentai magz
how the hell he's even there in the first place?
Anon, got a dl link for that book? I love that game.
No but there is something wrong with not finishing his projects, and turning his style into a parody of itself; not because of the subject matter but simply because of how it looks.
As expected from the master, Takkyu Ishino
The ps1 game was pretty damn neat also loved the color pallet they used for the animated cut scenes.
Here you go:
And here's all the animation from the game in as good quality as we'll probably ever get:
Aside from the 80s Dominion OVA, this is probably the most faithful reproduction of Shirow's manga art style and makes me curse this gay Earth that we never got more actual Shirow-looking Shirow anime.
Additionally, PROMOTIONS -
Thank God for that.
They did connect it to the GitSverse though.
>How did we go from this...
Simply put Masamune Shirow betrayed us all /m/ fans. He never completed Appleseed and doesn't give a shit about anything that is not hentai. He was a fantastic manga artist. Exceptionally detailed art, fantastic characters and mecha, wonderful timing in action scenes etc... He threw it all away (because it was too hard, or who the hell knows....) to become a simple illustrator. It pays better, but he sold his soul to the devil and shit all over his old time fans.
>He didn't betray or sell his soul to anybody. It makes sense that he would do things that give him simple pleasure after all his shit got wiped out.
I get it, he likes drawing porn and it brings good money. Good for him. From my point of view it's a loss those those that love science fiction manga. People like him don't come around very often (I can think of Nihei who has the same kind of talent for very detailed art) so when they quit for whatever reason it's sad. And yes it's a kind of betrayal.
So lemme get this straight.
Getting your work destroyed is a good reason not to unfuck your shit in 20 years.
But not getting any decent content in 20 years despite promises of the contrary is NOT a good reason to be mad and feel betrayed?
It's how it works. Basic common sense.
Also don't you remember how the next Appleseed and Dominion books were teased in Dark Horse publications? Those motherfuckers promised me those books, and so did Seishinsha, that means I'm entitled to them.
I mean damn. Why are you whiteknighting Shirow all of a sudden ?
You sound like the fags who always pop up in drawthreads to viciously attack everyone who even starts complaining about something.
>an teaser for an unreleased product is a contractual obligation
Wow guess I better sue Sunrise for those G Gundam and F91 sequels.
>those motherfuckers promised me those books
Then link the product announcements.
>Why are you whiteknighting Shirow all of a sudden
I'm not. Fuck, I've never even read anything by the man. I just don't like people being entitled little shits like you when you have no right or reason to be one.
Maybe not but it's a promise.
You've been brainwashed into thinking "entitlement" couldn't possibly exist outside of the legal system. But here's the thing: every time you promise something to someone, he's entitled to receiving it. You gave him your word and that's enough. The more formal types of entitlement you have in mind are just more sophisticated kinds of promises. That's what entitlement boils down to: being promised that you're gonna receive something
Yep, you can't make up things that are true.
Yes you are.
And you're in the wrong.
You are all under the delusion that people who act self-righteous can't possibly be right, because there's this mythical figure of the humble saint who's always right without ever claiming that he's right so the reverse must be true.
But here I am, saying that I'm right, and also being right.
>Again, you sound like a child that's upset at his mommy because she didn't buy him the ice cream she said she would. You keep on being wrong all you want though, Mr. Fedora.
And you Sir sound like a broken record.
It's inaccurate and retarded. The guy who posted that likely hasn't even seen the movie.
The original movie barely has any tits, Motoko isn't sexualized. It's not very artsy, it's a pretty linear and straightforward movie, albeit cryptic at times. Many Oshii films could definitely be pegged as artsy but the original GitS, not really. The only "artsy" moment is the boat scene which doesn't exactly eat up much runtime. SAC is way more up its own ass trying to be about philosophy, Oshii's original movie briefly touches on what it means to really be human in a world with cyborgs that advanced in a few scenes similar to and probably inspired by Blade Runner.
Nobody is promised anything. Every day you wake up is a miracle. If a man wishes to abandon a work is isn't contracted to do, and you haven't paid for, he has every right to do so.
You're probably one of those Redditors that threw a two year shitfit when Jon left.
A realistic straightforward movie can still be artsy.
None of the nudity is very blatant or sexualized but that doesn't really counter what that guy's saying about the movie's cultural placement. When I was young GitS was indeed "that movie with the robot chick and tits."
It's a straightforward action movie heavy on dialogue. What exactly did you think was "artsy"?
>When I was young GitS was indeed "that movie with the robot chick and tits."
There's like... 30 seconds of tits? Maybe? As you said yourself, only a child would file the movie under "tits" because they were present for a few seconds of an 80 minute run time. Hardly a convincing argument, and definitely not why the movie became a big part of pop culture or what it's remembered for.
>You're probably one of those Redditors that threw a two year shitfit when Jon left
He seems more like some retard from /lit/ to be honest, especially when you've seen the way he shitposts in other threads.
The man's life's work was destroyed in an instant, that leaves you pretty fucking broken inside, imagine if you spent your whole adult life doing one thing that you loved, now imagine the product of your hard work being crushed into dust in seconds, guess what that fucks you up bad and makes it so nothing matters anymore.
You sound like a dipshit for saying that because that's the entire point of the film and one of its strong points. When you compare the Kildren characters with the others there's a world of difference.
Also, if you watched Steamboy, which in my opinion isn't that great and certainly isn't as nuanced as Sky Crawlers, the entire thing is full of crazy kooky people and explosions that's hard to call dull even if the plot wasn't all that great.
Personally I like bioth Shirow's original works and the Oshii adaptation.
This is some crazy pretending to be/actually is retarded shit.
well she gets pretty lewd in the actual original manga...
There wasn't a word about oily horsecocks or anything like that.
Also, you may imply anything you want, but that doesn't change that every theme that GItS is based on was already well-developed by western authors. So where do you go from there? Copying only leads to degradation, you can do the trick once by adding a local flavor to a copy but it won't fly forever, as we see in the case of GItS franchise.
Dominion Conflict is the best thing Shirow has ever written. It actually makes sense on the first reading but it still has his trademark sense of humor and detail. I find it far superior to the original Dominion.
Of course it was also one of the last sane things he ever drew before the accident... before the dark times.
Orion is good too but it's fucking batshit crazy, even with the appendices it makes no sense, it's literally a giant mashup of Taoism, several kinds of Buddhism, Cthulhu mythos and his own ideas. I mean it's amazing, but even after having read it 5 times I still don't really understand anything other than the very basic gist of the plot.
I like the Oshii movie but it's sad that we couldn't get a movie likethis, instead of a few garbled cutscenes that were super overproduced for a 320x240 PS1 game.