Misa

>>13825692
>why so inconsistent?
Are you talking about the characterization, or the animation? Because it ran into a shitload of problems during production.

>>13825692
It's because you can see her eyebrows. Whenever her hair stops covering her eyebrows she stops looking weird.

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>>13825700
I'd say for the best

>>13825700
The animation is most noticeably inconsistent throughout, though having QUALITY is a decent tradeoff for some of the more well animated fights.

The characterization of Misa in that episodes is just a bit of a jarring change. It's like she also of the sudden had two drinks and lightened up. She doesn't seem to come back to this until she gets trapped with Ichigo again.

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>>13825692
I'm on episode 15, does Minmay ever stop being a bitch?

>>13827776
Not really no

>>13827776
Lol

>>13827776
On the one hand, she can be annoying to watch and she literally doesn't get better until a few minutes until the end of the series.

But on the other hand, Hikaru is one of the stupidest fucking main characters I have ever had the displeasure of watching (and not in a good way), so you can only really put so much blame on Minmay.

>>13825692
Macross was so good I didn't notice it was badly animated until after. The well animated moments like the freefall scenes are so memorable it makes up for it. It is a good anime.

>>13827955
That's called nostalgia when you only remember the good.

>>13827955
The story is really damn good and stands up to the test of time. But you're fucking blind if you didn't notice things like Max's Valkyrie changing colors inbetween cuts, Maistroff changing his fucking race right after he's introduced, and stuff like that.

And this is coming from a guy who's more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the studio because of what they had to work against, and who was able to sit through 0079 just fine.

>>13827955
Episode 15 guy here, I've already noticed a lot of reused animation and some off looking parts. Overall I'd say it hold up pretty well though for something made in 1982.

>>13827959
>>13827974
Nah, it's just being new. I watched it in November 2014 and it's only recently I started paying attention to animation quality more closely, cause I was bad at reading subs.

>>13827993
The whiplash animation quality is a pretty unique experience though.

>>13827997
M8 I even enjoyed the recap episode, it was a silly dream sequence on a bike and it entertained me, and Macross 7 is my favorite macross series, my capacity for eating shit is quite large

>>13827981
If you're watching it now, the newer DVD release improved the animation significantly. The original broadcast was quite a bit worse.

>>13828016
>watching the DVD instead of the BD

>>13827955
>Macross was so good I didn't notice it was badly animated until after.
What the fuck?

>The well animated moments like the freefall scenes are so memorable it makes up for it.
I can think of maybe three actually well animated moments in the whole SDF and I literally just finished watched it

Damn niggas, Misa is so much better for that stupid ass Hikaru it hurts to see how she suffered hell until, well, forever? I read she married him but at least in the 1st series there is nothing explicit (even watched DYRL and Flashback 2012 and nope, nothing there too)

>>13828033
Yes they got married

No we don't actually see it. It was mentioned in supplementary materials

>>13828038
I see, well, kinda sucks we have to dig stuff like that from supplements.

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>>13828053
Damn, I forgot how based Britai was.

>>13827949
Holy crap is Hikaru brain-dead. He'll star going after Misa and then a strong breeze will sending chasing cock-tease Minmay.

If Minmay were simply a flaky teenager it would be okay, but Hikaru can't seem to figure out who actually reciprocates his feelings until about 10 minutes from the end.

>>13828053
Both parts of the fight were savage. Too bad it went all 2 fps for half of it.

>>13828067
All that "go to Minmay-get rejected; to go Misa-reject her; repeat" is so fucking annoying.

>>13828067
>>13828078
You just have to learn to enjoy the drama.

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>>13827955
Pretty much

I watched it in 2015 for the first time, and I thought yeah, it has significant issues, but it never really drew me away from anything else

Except the bike episode. That messed with me

>>13828084
I just cannot, I have been rooting for Misa since day 1 lol

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>>13828092
Me too (Even before she got trapped with Hikaru), but that shouldn't really stop your enjoyment of it

>>13828013
Don't even dare put Macross 7 on the level of shitiness that is SDF Macross. 7 is sublime. SDF Macross is vomitinducing (save 4-5 episodes 2 of which are the first freaking 2 episodes).
Basara is best character ever, Hikaru Ichijo is stupid as fuck. Dont' compare gold with shit man. Don't.

>>13828100
>hating on SDF
Nice edge.

>>13828098
Yeah, I agree. Saw the entire series on BD and now I am rooting for more (saw Plus and Macross 7 on the way).

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>>13828106
7 is next for me, having seen Plus and DYEL

Is Macross II worth ever watching, or should I wait till absolute pre-Delta desperation?

>>13828100
>Implying 7 isn't cringe inducing just in different ways

>>13828100
If it makes you feel better, I liked Moon Moon from ZZ Gundam, and I think Mikono was ok

>>13828122
I think I will watch it someday, but for me atm it goes like this: SDF; Plus; Macross 7; Zero; Frontier and Delta. Each show watched with all its supplements (OVA, Movie and whatever more).

>>13828122
>Is Macross II worth ever watching
It's ok. If you have time to kill, you might as well. The art looks nice at least. Of course, I've forgotten like 99% of it.

>>13828127
>and I think Mikono was ok
Literally over the goddamn line

>>13828122
What are you watching it on? Did they use crayon to animate it?

>>13828122
>do you even love?

>>13828143
The BDs are cool (even the fps is somewhat "fixed") but that image is like from a VHS.

>>13828143
>>13828163
I'm pretty sure that anon just can't into screenshots hence the black borders.

>>13828122
Spare yourself from the time needed to watch 7, just watch episode 1 and realise all the other episodes use the exact same stock footage and storyline.

>>13828177
Thanks bb

>>13828143
>>13828165
It was literally just a printscreen when I watched in on VLC a while back

>>13828125
7 has its bad moments to. But on general terms it ends up being a better series, animated (with some wonderful background art), character wise, music wise than SDF Macross.
Damn it I was cheering when mayor Milia took her red Valkyrie to the skies. And when Max and Milia fought together again in the end. That's simply epic. The SDF Macross characters are stupid in comparison. Hikaru has lead in his brain, Minmey is a cunt, Misa undecided as fuck. The only good character fucking dies midseries. Nah SDF Macross might have an interesting story but it's a fail on everything else.

>>13828191
Just because you wouldn't want to be friends with them doesn't mean that they are bad characters.

>>13828191
>7 has its bad moments to. But on general terms it ends up being a better series
I really don't think I'd agree with that. I was much more into the meat of the plot of SDF which was a constant ongoing story than with 7 which seemed to have it's plot stop and start because there needed to be a fight every episode

>>13828199
Basara is worse than Hikaru in the love department; poor Mylene fell for a space hobo on crack.

>>13828209
>Basara is worse than Hikaru in the love department
This is DEFINITELY true but about halfway through you realize 7 isn't ever going to get to actually develop its love triangle ever so you sort of learn to live with it.

Didn't stop the show from throwing girls at Basara's feet though

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>>13828100
>>13828191

Cool shitposts m8

>>13828210
I rooted for BxM but o well, guess we can`t have nice things.

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>>13828221
>I rooted for BxM
>Rooting for the one who literally doesn't see Mylene as anything but a kid all the way through Dynamite 7 and BTFOs her at practically any opportunity
The shittiest of tastes

Yeah Basara's psuedo-harem was pretty annoying and weird. I mean not even Alto had nearly every girl in the series fall for him

>>13828191
>Damn it I was cheering when mayor Milia took her red Valkyrie to the skies.
And then they use the whole scene as stock footage in the next episode.

>>13828197
They are bad characters because they're badly written. Does it makes sense to you that Misa is attracted to Hikaru from the start of the series but waits 10 minutes before the end of the series to tell him she loves him before embarking on mission to the stars so that she will never ever see him again ? C'mon let's be serious.
4 characters are decent : Fokker, Claudia, Global and pilot ace Max. The 3 main characters on the other hand are really stupid. Thick headed stupid.
Look I like SDF Macross as much as any Macross fan. I have the animeigo's dvds, a ton of macross books, cd's, 2 videogames and a macross "nintendo-like game watch". And I simply cannot defend the shitiness that the characters are in the series. They're badly written.

>>13828234
You haven't watched DYRL yet have you?

>>13828234
>waits 10 minutes before the end of the series she loves him
Nigga there's a ton of romantic tension between the two before then.

>>13828086
Man Turbo-Teen is a huge body horror nightmare. His face and ass transforming will haunt me forever.

>>13828241
I guess she is just ultra shy.

>>13828239

It sounds to me like he hasn't watched SDF, period.

>>13828241
Like the entire time-skip is them finally ironing out their relationship.

>>13828239
Of course I have. DYRL is animation porn pure and simple and I love it wholeheartedly. But Minmey is idiotic, Hikaru the same. Misa is a little bit more adult. But the scene where Hikaru declares his love to Misa is as cringe inducing as that of the tv series. That scene beggars belief.

>>13828241
But it never goes anywhere. So what is the point ?

>>13828253
I mean if you just don't like romance, that's totally fine. It's not any more cheesy than the usual declarations of loves in films.

>>13828256
Just because they don't fuck on screen doesn't mean it doesn't go anywhere.

>>13828253
>But the scene where Hikaru declares his love to Misa is as cringe inducing as that of the tv series
That's like one of my favorite scenes ever but alright

>>13828256
What exactly is your idea of romance "going somewhere" in anime?

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>>13828191
>>13828100
>thinking M7 is a good series
>actually thinking M7 is in any way better than SDF1

What the fuck is with all the shit taste on /m/ recently?

>>13828067
It wouldn't be much of a love triangle if it was solved in a couple episodes.

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>>13828264
7 is alright. It's just not as good as SDF

>>13828262
>What exactly is your idea of romance "going somewhere" in anime?
Official canon animated hentai.

>>13828234
>Misa is attracted to Hikaru from the start of the series

Not really the case. She only started macking on him when they were imprisoned together, but teased him for having a "girlfriend."

>>13828234
>Misa is attracted to Hikaru from the start of the series
Literally untrue

>>13828332
Then she chases Kaifun until she and Hikaru get stuck somewhere together AGAIN. And after that the rest of the series is Misa halfheartedly chasing Hikaru, Hikaru chasing Minmay, being rebuffed, going back for Misa... and turning around and chasing Minmay again.

Admittedly Misa falling for Kaifun is really fucking stupid, especially for how long it went on. Even the most hardened of SDF fans has to admit this

>>13828264
7 is more fun. SDF was boring 60% of the time.

>>13828359

I just don't understand the basis for a woman like her to start crushing so hard. It comes out of nowhere.

>>13828364

Its plenty entertaining if you take your Ritalin and pay attention.

>>13828283
I like how the love triangle develops in Frontier.
That's how you do it, and as for Macross 7 there never was a love triangle to begin with. It's made pretty obvious from the start that Basara loves one and one thing only : singing. But I guess Mylene was too thick headed to understand it. I just can't wrap my mind around the reason why so many macross fans have rose tinted glasses when they speak about SDF Macross. Kawamori isn't going to beat you up if you don't like it especially because of shitty character development.
One last time : in episode 27 when the Zentradi blast earth, Minmey says goodbye to Hikaru, Hikaru goes to fight thinking that Misa is already dead. And Misa realises she loves Hikaru while everyone around her is dead. Ok, at the end of the episode the two are together in the Hikaru's cockpit, her hand over his and the sun rising over the horizon. Happy ending.
What happens the next episode ? Fucking nothing, it all goes back like episode 27 character wise never ever happened. Hikaru somehow forgets he loves Misa even while letting her clean his appartment. And Minmay doesn't love singing anymore and loses herself. Give me a fucking break. It's like a 6 year old wrote the emotional component of SDF Macross.

>>13828367
Misa's pretty crazy if that whole "I'm gonna stay on the base while it explodes" early in the series didn't tip you off

>>13828412
>I like how the love triangle develops in Frontier.
I actually agree but saying something like that around here would probably get you flamed

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Yes I was very mad

>>13828427
He's literally too good for her

>>13828381
High school drama is not entertaining no matter how many drugs you take.

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>>13828543
>SDF
>High school drama

>>13828427
I love the episode, maybe in one of the ovas where Mylene goes chasing after Gamlin and Basara. And at the end of the episode both of them don't give a shit about her. Divine justice.

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>japanese attempts at romance
>shit on the people that love you unconditionally
>get with literally anyone else

>>13828412
>it all goes back like episode 27 character wise never ever happened.
>while letting her clean his appartment.
Contradictory. Just because the romance isn't instantly a "happily ever after" doesn't mean that nothing happened.

>And Minmay doesn't love singing anymore and loses herself.
There's literally nothing wrong with this.

The last part of SDF is about the characters ironing out their relationships and it's arguably the most endearing part of the series.

>>13828630
Char should have gotten with Haman, he would have been able to drop as many asteroids as he wanted

>>13828122
II is really boring, and really forgettable with the exception of one blue haired fap bait.
It falls short of being good, but it also falls short of being enjoyably bad or even rage inducing bad.
It's mediocre in the worst of ways.

>>13828642
I don't think char could last 6 months without betraying her

>>13828412
>Fucking nothing, it all goes back like episode 27 character wise never ever happened.
You're a complete idiot who can not into subtext.
No wonder you like Frontier because everything's layout so straightforward in the most bland and boring of ways.

I don't like the post-27 episodes not because of the increased romantic drama (though that shit with the scarf was like full modern anime MISUNDERSTANDINGS) but because they turned Kamujin into a villain again.

He heel face turned into being a decent guy in a pretty fucking awesome way but then he just goes back to being bad. And then he jerks the main crew around and then he just dies in the end of it all.

>>13828637
Minmay is pretty bad during those last episodes though you have to admit. I mean people gave Ranka shit for freaking out but Minmay completely regresses emotionally

>>13828665
Funny you say that when Hikaru and Misa are the most bland characters in SDF.

>>13825706
Jesus Christ.

I wonder if there's any chance of SDF getting a remake in the future? I love the series as it is, but the animation really brings it down sometimes. A remake with nice animation that maintains most of SDF but includes elements of DYRL would be amazing.

>>13828757
>He heel face turned into being a decent guy in a pretty fucking awesome way but then he just goes back to being bad. And then he jerks the main crew around and then he just dies in the end of it all.

Yeah but the way he uses "culture" as a euphemism for sex and kissing is fucking hilarious.

>>13828234
>4 characters are decent : Fokker, Claudia, Global and pilot ace Max.

Wait. You think Hikaru and Misa are unrealistic, but Max is fine even though he proposed to a girl who tried to stab him to death mere seconds earlier?

>>13827997
I really want a Super-Dimension Fortress Macross 2020. You know, a remake with nice animation.

>>13828177
More like watch first two episodes, skip maybe 20 episodes in. It starts to grown on you, once you start to see characters evolve around Basara. Cry bitch tears at Gigil's arc and eventually sing along for the finale.

Pacing is absolutely horrendous, but man the pay off at the finale almost makes up for it. If you want to distill it down to when Macross 7 is at it's best without commitment, try out the unaired episodes, the Movie, and Dynamite.

>>13828122
I do not recommend watching DYRL and Macross II back to back. Macross 2 apes the structure of DYRL so much that it was clear the guys behind it were kind of copying a template as opposed to using it as a springboard. It's not horrible per say, but lacks a certain earnestness and vivacity the other parts of the franchise display.

>>13828757
Nah, he never stopped being the psycho on a leash. It's just he was smart enough not to get his head on the chopping block by going against his current direct superior, especially when Bdozle wanted a complete purge of all of Vhritai's fleet.

The romance drama post Bdozle was kind of annoying (with Hikaru being a lunkhead) but I dug the fact they made an effort to show that reconstruction is hard. Sure you can go fight that epic battle, but you still have to hunker down and build the future that you want while challenges will be flung your way. It made the fruition of those dreams in all of the later series so much sweeter.

>>13828427
I remember hearing that Gamlin appeared in a side story that took place years after 7. How did this end even?

>>13828665

And here we have a winner. Go back to your cave troll. Let me guess anime was good in the old days and everything modern is shit eh ? Got that right mate ? Macross Frontier is a lesson on how to do an awesome mecha show without betraying its quirky origins. Both the tv series and films have more character development in 25 episodes than SDF Macross has in 36.

>>13829712
How is it a remake when it's 10 years later? And why would you want a third retelling of SDF? We already had DYRL and Macross The First. Enough already.

>>13829852
>How is it a remake when it's 10 years later? And why would you want a third retelling of SDF? We already had DYRL and Macross The First. Enough already.

Thankfully for all his defects Kawamori will never give in. The SDF characters are lost in the center of the galaxy never to be seen/heard from again. Good riddance. The Space War I story has already been told, no point retreading the same fucking storyline. Especially with brain damaged characters Misa, Hikaru and Minmei.
Even Mikimoto doesn't give a shit about his own manga remake (that's it's in indefinite stasis for all practical purposes). SDF is stale. Kawamori knows this, Mikimoto knows this. Some old time fans don't know this. Hopefully the future is bright with Macross Delta. Deculture !!!!!!!!!!!

>>13829871
>One final question that had to be asked is what happens to the fate of the characters from the original Macross. As at the end of the series they board a colony ship for the galactic core and are never heard from again.

>“Regarding the fate of Hikaru, Misa and Minmay, it’s difficult. I have thought about it but am not sure whether I should tell the story or not. So I can’t guarantee that I will work on that.”

So he has thought about it but I'm sure he feels he doesn't know if any continuation of that particular story plot would be satisfactory for everyone

>>13829337
>Wait. You think Hikaru and Misa are unrealistic, but Max is fine even though he proposed to a girl who tried to stab him to death mere seconds earlier?

Yes Max is fine because Milia's conversion and subsequent marriage with Max is in theme with the premise of SDF Macross. If you think a kiss can't change Milia, then the whole premise of culture shock and Minmey's songs are void.
And by the way Milia is not only an ace and equal of Max she's also fucking hot. Max was already enthraled by her in the videogames arcade way before their "date".

Misa is unrealistic as fuck. How the hell do you give command authority to a woman who's emotionally damaged ? And damaged to such an extent that she is willing to blow herself up because "the memories of her childhood love" are too painful to bear ? Ridiculous. After the incident on the mars base she should have been relieved of command at the very least.

>>13829895
>So he has thought about it but I'm sure he feels he doesn't know if any continuation of that particular story plot would be satisfactory for everyone

It's been over 30 years since SDF Macross and we haven't got one tiny bit of sequel about our favorite characters. So I think it's fair to say that Kawamori will never revisit their story.

>>13828067
>/m/ gives relationship advice

>SPACE COUGAR XDDD

>>13829901
she was an overachiever and there was big time nepotism, remember her father was one of the most important military figures in the whole world

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>>13829998
>she was an overachiever and there was big time nepotism, remember her father was one of the most important military figures in the whole world

Wait wait, Misa got where she got because of her being an overachiever. She's shown as an exceptional officer father notwithstanding. Top of her class and all that. I like that, it makes her character strong. And yet at the same time the authors decided to endow her with a emotional time bomb that can explode at any moment. Don't the military screen their officers for mental disorders ? I mean you can't just give the keys to nuclear ICBMs to your regular officers. They have to be psychologically evaluated before giving them the keys to the kingdom. You don't want any of them to launch a missile just because he/she was feeling sad one day. I can accept that she can be sad about finding her old lover's apartment and belongings on the mars base. I can't even begin to understand how she wants to fucking die for it. It means all her career, her achievements, her aspirations, her dreams were all false. She was an empty character all along.

>>13830049

Well, some of the people who control nukes in the USAF like to get shitfaced in bars at Moscow and get kicked out for accosting the band, so i can imagine that the selection process isn't perfect. Misa probably appeared to be a perfect candidate.

Ep 16 (or so) here.

i think would have demoted Misa after her space-out on not activating the Daedalus attack while Kamujin's ship barreled right towards the Macross.

The way these Macross characters stupidly endanger the lives of everyone around them and (in the case of the main characters) willfully flout military command, procedures, and protocol drives me nuts. Maybe it's because Japan hasn't fought in a war for over half a century and they have no clue how to do it anymore.

>>13825692
I agree inasmuch as this is the first time I've liked her character (and she looked cute for once). But then this stupid shit with Kaifun, aka the world's biggest faggot hypocrite.

Random thoughts:

It's sort of funny watching the show occasionally turn into a slideshow. Very jarring.

If I here that stupid "My Boyfriend is a Pilot" song one more time...
>~kyuuuu ~kyuuuu ~kyuuuu ~kyuuuu

>>13830556
>If I here that stupid "My Boyfriend is a Pilot" song one more time...
I couldn't hear it enough personally

And it's "Kyun Kyun~". Pleb

>>13830798
MAKE IT STAP HURRRR HURRRR KYUN KYUN

>>13830049
>It means all her career, her achievements, her aspirations, her dreams were all false. She was an empty character all along.

How did you jump to that ridiculous conclusion?

>>13830049
>Wait wait, Misa got where she got because of her being an overachiever.
No it doesn't. It's heavily implied she only got where she was because of her father's influence and having a relationship with Global.

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slightly [un?]related, but I thought I'd post some recently scrounged-up Mikimoto art (after this post) for the Macross 2036 video game on the PC-Engine. I think it was conceived as a semi-official sequel to DYRL, starring Komilia Jenius. Since there is some discussion of "continuing the story" from SDF/DYRL. Probably no longer canon, but hey, at least it was something.

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>>13831407
also let me know if the images aren't too compressed; the originals are pretty large.

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>>13831467

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>>13831472
Just three pages of art.

>>13831261
>>13831286

Read these:

https://desustorage.org/m/thread/13752205/#13752205

https://desustorage.org/m/thread/13763563/#13763563

https://desustorage.org/m/thread/13802947/#13802947