>only 14m what is this, a Jet for ants? http://foxtrotalp

>>13817889
pics of its gerwalk mode yet?

>>13817889

So its just an F22 with modern electronics and engineering?

>>13817942
Not entirely.

It's testing an airframe design that's very much inspired by the F22 since the moonlanders really wanted Raptors back in the day, but the paddle based thrust vector nozzles are apparently unstealthy to a point that it seems more likely it's a testbed for a bunch of things rather than a buildup to a final design.

Also I could see it being designed around anti ship operations and other groundpoundery. Japan is an island nation with a rich seafaring history and all, fucking boats up would be a priority right?

>>13817967

Makes sense. You need boats to land an invasion force on Japanese soil. So the two things that japan needs to worry about most are anti-ship and air interception (be it enemy aircraft or enemy missiles).

>>13817889
It looks kinda...cute

I really hope Japan develops micro missile technology.

>>13818045

Don't. Japan can't be trusted with a real military or advanced weapons. Not until they can look back at what they did in WW2 and realized "Shit, maybe we WERE assholes".

There were people in Japan after the war ended who thought we destroyed their navy and nuked two of their cities just to be mean out of a personal distaste for the Japanese people.

>>13818067
Please, there's a US Naval fleet literally stationed in their backyard at all times, they can't do anything shifty nor would they feel the need to when big bro Sam has their back.

>>13818067
You do realize that Japan's "Self Defense Forces" are actually one of the best equipped and funded military forces out there right now don't you? It's a real military in all but name.

>>13818067
The same can be said for germany.

>>13817997
I want to fuck it.

>>13818180

> confirmed for knowing nothing about Germany

Germany can't stop apologizing over WW2, to the point that its almost illegal to even talk about the Nazi's there outside of saying "and that was terrible".

Japan, meanwhile, either refuses to admit they did anything at all or says that what they did do can't have been terrible because there was a war on.

>>13818134
If only because it's comparatively small and able to have a higher standard of issued equipment.

>>13817889
The VF-1 valkyrie was also this size. I don't see anything wrong.

>>13817889
I didn't know Aoi Yuuki was into planes.

>>13818287
Actually, it's bigger than the British or French militaries. It's huge.

>>13818067
I love this meme.
They finished paying the last of their reparation money back in the 70's, and have apologized multipe times throughout the years, but the chinks and gooks always drag it out like the jews drag out the shoah.

>>13818346
The French military is larger despite France only having almost half of the population of Japan.

>>13818366
French Armee: 111,628
JGSDF: 150,000

Japan also has far more armoured fighting vehicles, especially MBTs, artillery as well as more helicopters, both combat and utility.

In terms of air power, the JASDF is also larger than the French Air Force and the JMSDF is larger than the French Navy.

>>13818067
Oh boy, oh boy. What about yankee doodles and Nicaragua, Vietnam, Panama, Cuba, Iraq, Honduras, Washington, Uruguay, Guatemala, Cambodia, Laos, Detroit, Pakistan...

... damn, the list is longer than I even expected. You're basically the global serial criminal numero uno of the last hundred years.

>>13818366
Depends on the branch. On the ground France definitely comes out ahead, but when it comes to the sea and sky. Japan has more aircraft and more naval tonnage (Although they have roughly the same number of ships).

>>13818218
The German fanaticism and insane, irrational cult like mentality exists today. Germany with a military will always be dangerous for the continued stability of Europe. Different colours, same people. Just wait until they start shelling and bombing nations that refuse to get cucke- I mean refuse to accept endless refugees and accommodate them at the expense of the country's citizens.

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>>13817889
That far right pilot though

>>13818430
The French military is overall larger and better than the JSDF.

>>13818364

I don't think you understand the concept of interstate interaction. There is a difference between what a statesman says privately and speaking on behalf of a country. Japan has only officially apologized to Korea for comfort women last year because they want to be on good terms. All the other "apologies" were either "regrets" or unoffical statements. That' isn't to say China or Korea isn't using this to their political advantage. But Japan has never apologized in official terms.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-28/abe-offers-apology-compensation-to-south-korean-comfort-women-

>>13818218
As a jew even I think Germany's shame is excessive.

Remember when they hounded that old ass ex Nazi and even the Jewish community was pretty much "seriously?" When the Tribe says to never forget, that shouldn't mean go full 180 and be a Nazi-Nazi.

Double Nazi.

However you want to dub the Kraut reactionary phenomenon.

>>13817889

>low power engine with 3D thrust, which is complex to implement and problematic in flight as in the X-31
>tiny plane with tiny internal bay in a supposed stealth aircraft

This is just a bargaining chip to get better deals on F-35s. It's not gonna get anywhere other than aircraft expos.

>>13818537
It is a tech demonstrator.

>>13818477
You're a baguette aren't you?

>>13818535
It's surprising due to its new context and form of impression, but... you know, I think Germans just hold obsessiveness as a cultural trait. They probably nurture it by accident, what with its focus being in doing things right and proper, but... you really have to be careful in telling them what right and proper is, because they might take it to places you'd never expect.

>>13818586
Autism is an evolved trait of the German people.

>>13818586
>>13818609
>people who never had contact with the Swiss

>>13818618
Swiss are just Krauts with advanced banking jewjitsu.

>>13818643
>Confirmed
The Swiss had a globe-spanning Empire at one point and generally kept themselves on top by chopping up their enemies and having the bits put on display throughout their realm.

>>13818664
That's not autism, that's sociopathy.

>>13818535
On the other hand, Netanyahu said something about Iran (or some other country) being involved in the Holocaust, and Germany had to go and say "um, actually, it was pretty much just us." It's gotten really weird, but maybe it's just because of Netanyahu.

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>>13817889
Better than the Iranians' plexiglass and wood thing

>>13818537

It's a test bed. They are making F-3 because US didn't sell them F-22 tech.

F-35 is a good workhorse for the future, but it's not an air superiority platform they need.

3d vector thrust paddles?
soon motherfuckers, soon ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSkhkX-MmmE

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>>13819199

Please, this shit is nothing new. It's also pretty much useless against modern missiles.

>>13818218
Fuck constant apology and sucking up to people.

Japan is in the right here.

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>>13819199
those paddles are unstealthy as fuck though, theres a reason they havent been seen since the 80s.

>>13819225
It's good in the merge in the event the AMRAAM wall doesn't do its job. Or you're up against slavs who have a fondness for high alpha design and aim to assrape boats in naval skirmishes anyway.

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>>13818366
>>13818430
>>13818346
>France

>>13819225

What does the pilot feel in that moment?

>>13819281

An erection

>>13819273

France is warmongering the part of Africa that isn't in China's hands since forever, they wanted and obtained the war on Libya.
Surrender my ass, they made everything worse for everyone in that god forsaken continent.

>>13818067
You say from your cozy American domicile as your government bombs Syrians civilians.

>>13818067
>>13818218
>>13818515
It always amuses me how there's so many gooks in a Japanese mecha board.

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>>13819258
Anti air missiles are crazy good now. The likelihood of missing, especially with the advanced sensors of most western aircraft is extremely low.

>>13819692
It really doesn't hurt to plan for the merge anyway.

Even America still hedges on energy advantage in the event the opening volley is insufficient.

>>13819609

not as amusing as butthurt weeaboos that must love everything japanese.

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>>13819521
>as your government bombs Syrians civilians.

you mean Russians? Americans have been pretty specific with their strikes with Syria, Russia just doesnt give a fuck.

>>13819712
>he says on a weeb board where he is also a weeb

>>13818218
Germany is just really sad.

They apologize so hard for WWII, its almost comical, if not for the fact that they are apologizing for shit that doesn't really matter to anyone nowadays except the butthurt people.

Just look at the amount of shit they won't do because of said shame over shit that the current leadership had nothing to do with.
>Very likely to not restore the Maus, THE heaviest tank ever built
>Not even Porsche, the company that built it wants to, despite the fact that Ferdinand Porsche, the founder of the company, designed it
And according to the guys who once tried to do so but stopped because it was stupidly expensive, the blueprints of the parts aren't being disclosed by Germany either so even if they want to do it, they have to use non-historical parts.

>>13820043
It's a board created around a Japanese entertainment medium for those who take interest in it. There is no obligation for everyone to suck their cocks as well.

Cool plane thread about plane.

>>13817967
>but the paddle based thrust vector nozzles are apparently unstealthy

It only affects rear aspect stealth. Seems to me the japs will focus on frontal aspect stealth. They don't need to design a plane that will go deep into enemy territory to blow up high value targets, that is what the F-35 is for. They need a plane for anti-ship and air-to-air combat, where rear aspect stealth is not as vital.

>>13820095
Yeah Germany needs to get over it. Everyone else is. Yet they act like its all their personal faults still.

That said and put aside, Ferdinand Porsche was a based man. (I admit I'm both a fanboy of his work and his compnies work even after he died)

>>13819692
Did...did that missile lock onto the plane that launched it?

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>>13817889
>what is this, a Jet for ants

>>13819230
This. The last thing the world needs is another nation of beta cuckolds.

>>13820246
Germany has always wanted/needed to be the best at something. They have finally found it.

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>>13818439
>this butthurt commie still ass mad about losing the cold war

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>>13820250

>>13818537
Plane is not tiny at all, it's just the F-35 is an obese fat fuck. Perfect for a Burger plane.

>>13820269
He's right you know

Why is this in /m/?
>>>/k/

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>>13820306
>defending people from decades of the worse sort of brutality the world has ever seen
>most of those countries begged the USA for intervention and aid
>a criminal act

What ever you say retard.

>>13820248
No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMSfg26YSQ

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>>13820276W
Well the F-35 does need to carry all that Burger freedom in it's internal weapons bay.

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>>13820338
dog bless

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>>13818439
>yankee doodles

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Hey what's up guys!

>>13820250
As someone who in general couldn't give less of a shit about jets, I love this thing.

>>13820392
<<RTB, /aceg/>>

>>13820419
<<NO>>

>>13820424
Those stocked aren't gonna burn themselves.

>>13819079
>>13820250
>>13820272

Justfuckmyshitup: the plane.

>>13817889
the ATD-X has been known for quite some time now, I'm surprised I haven't seen a fan rendition of its TSF version

>>13820250
>>13820272
>Pilot must amputate legs
Wow, that's some dedication to your country.

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reminds me of this

>>13820479
Honestly it's fucking brilliant. If the plane doesn't exist, those American imperialist bastards will never be able to pick it up on radar. Easily the greatest stealth fighter of our time.

>>13820541
They can withstand more G's that way.

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>>13820485

There is one or two on pixiv. People who are exposed to a variety of fighter jets enough to bother thinking up designs to real-world craft are probably a minuscule pool of people amongst the entire fanbase.

Though, according to two or three threads back the latest LD only has MiGs. So image related should be from the other ML-related book from the last Winter comiket.

It's not age doing the publishing for that LD books like they usually do but Kooki is involved in it all the same so it's... uh... non-official rendition from one of the official designer of TSFs?

>>13820780
what tags should I be looking for? I tried a combination of ATD-X, 心神, 戦術機 and F-3 and I got nothing

>>13817889
>only 14m

You underestimate how small japs are. You could fit 50 of them in that thing easily.

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>>13821391

It's a book from Winter comiket by a circle with only one work to their name, probably not older than 2015, and non-porn, to boot. I think scans won't be coming for a looooooooooong time.

>http://www.toranoana.jp/mailorder/article/04/0030/38/26/040030382601.html

On the other hand I was told of its existence by someone else who was watching the twitter feed of an age staff member, and Kouki is credited as mechanical designer for it, amongst other things, so, yeah. Non-official rendition from one of the official designer of TSFs, I guess.

>>13819225
you seem to have missed completely the point , is not about efficiency , is about tacticool factor , more accurattely , YF-21 OMEGA ONE AWESOMENESS

>>13819697

Thrust vectoring does shit for energy advantage.

>>13820317

It's not like US interventions in Middle East created ISIS, killed hundreds of thousands of people or caused the worst refugee crisis ever.

Dog bless!

>>13821827

Actually, ISIS wasn't caused by the US going into the middle east. It was caused by the US pulling out because it was unpopular and not making sure that the Iraqi government wasn't going to absolutely shoot themselves in the face the moment that we got in the car to leave.

Did the leadership of Isis meet up and initially start working together inside of insurgent imprisonment camps in Iraq? Yes. But it was the Iraqi's who decided that running those camps was too much trouble and just opened the gates and let everyone leave.

The same government who decided to stop paying the Sons of Iraq mercenary group, the ones that the US relied on heavily to maintain control in large parts of Iraq, because of religious differences with the prime minister. As mercenaries now out of a job, they went to whoever was willing to pay them. And that turned out to be Islamic State, giving them not just most of their original fighting force but their best equipped and trained portion of it.

Isis never would have existed, or at the very least would have been a much smaller problem, if the Iraqi's had just kept up the mitigating actions that the US had in place when we pulled out. They didn't, and it almost immediately blew up in everyone's faces.

We were in such a rush to get out of Iraq for campaign promises that we made it worse and are still cleaning up the mess anyway.

>>13821933
>We were in such a rush to get out of Iraq for campaign promises that we made it worse and are still cleaning up the mess anyway.
I don't think you have boots on the ground anymore at this point though. It's just bombing with only very minimal figures on the ground.

Yeah, things blew up, but so far it has only been on other people, not the USA.

>>13818134
The only reason America allows them to have said force is because they know China and North Korea would act up sooner or later, and who else better to go up against them than the ones who violated them before?

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>>13821933
>So... what qualifications does the dude we picked to be EL PRESIDENTO GENERALISSIMO ETERNALE for this country have?
>A... A 'ave 'een him sittin' across the room once during an oil deal.

NOTHING CAN GO WRONG.

>>13822000

It's been over half a century since the war. US is not allowing shit. They do what they want.

You really think they would dissolve the army if US told them to?

>>13821818
I wasn't implying that. I was suggesting having a strategy in the event of a merge is good design.

>>13818515
Nor did any 731 got prosecuted for their crimes against humanity.

That was a bigger sin than what Hitler did.

>>13822902
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation
Sorry man they're about equal in terms of quality, and Nazis have them beat in quantity.

>>13823640
The Japanese did a lot of research in the field of biological weapons, most of which was absorbed by the US and the Soviets, apparently.

>>13820185
Nice projection there.

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>>13821933
My man.
My guy.
you literally just outlined how it's our fault, just with more specificity.

>>13823850
Projecting what??

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>>13819225
Is that thing drifting?

>>13825242
>it is our fault for not policing the world and running everyone's shit for them

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guess that the japanese will still need a decade before they can catch up to China's already superior airpower in asia.

>>13826862
Ironically, the world complains when the US does that, and complains when we don't. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't type of situation.
>>13826871
Does that thing still shit out black smoke?

>>13820185
If you're on 4chan, you are a weeb, no ifs, ands or buts.

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>>13826881
>Does that thing still shit out black smoke?

That's the J-31, an export fighter with a lack of funding and interest from the PLAAF.

The J-20 is pretty decent, having already reached LRIP phase and soon IOC by 2017.

pic is LRIP plane 01 in zinc cromate primer.

>>13826895
Does it do anything besides go fast in a straight line like it's 1979?

>>13826895
The J-20 really does have a neat design, so I kinda hope it goes into production.

I like that paintjob.

>>13826895
Those wings look Raptor-ish.

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>>13826901
It is actually fairly maneuverable, despite having no TVC. It does some neat and fast turns.

Those large control sufaces do the job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0RNcdGVCtM

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>>13826924
control surface test shows it.

>>13826924
So it's in the Eagle school of high energy maneuvering?

Well that's OK I guess.

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>>13826937
poststall maneuvering performance is unknown, but that's not important anyway, as the J-20 has those LOAL high off boresight missiles in the class of the IRIS-T.

>>13826881
>Ironically, the world complains when the US does that, and complains when we don't.

..and when they say that they'll do it themselves, the US always insists that they do not fucking build up their military forces to scratch.

Last time the question came up was under Bush 2, btw.
So yeah, the US citizens are stuck with being the World Police the way Saudis are stuck with the House of Saud and the Germans with their work being grossly undervalued.

>>13818439
The US is slowly getting taken over by Mexicans, is that not enough payback for you?

>>13826889
Not true. Unless the exact definition of what a weeb is has changed.

>>13817889
>Only 14m
Yeah, but the development cycle was some 600k. Obviously they're building mecha for when they release the long range sensor inhibiting nanites.

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No it's not a jet for ants its clearly the first stage of a core fighter. Basics, anon. You can't build an Earthnoid mobile suit without getting the core block right first.

I wish someone invent a radar that will easily detect these "stealth" planes. Or missile defense system that will render even the most advanced missiles useless.
So this BVR-engagement doctrine that decided by one lock and one missile launch can die already.

And then we can put arms on fighter jets so they can wrestle each other in the sky.

>>13828345
Forget radar, dump money in IRST technology.

>>13828345
Making a system to spoof both heatseekers and BVR missiles might be easier than simply detecting the stealth plane itself.

In short all fighters end up carrying their own bubble of safety around. Well, probably.

>>13817967
But I thought thrust vectoring ruled the skies?

>>13828395
Sensors rule the skies, thrust vectoring is just a nice afterthought.

>>13828647
minovsky particles when

>>13826871

Call me when we know this thing's RCS and actual performance.

>>13826950
>J-20 has those LOAL high off boresight missiles in the class of the IRIS-T

Anon, modern EU missiles and AIM-9X have 180 degrees off boresight. PL-9 just 40 degrees.

>>13828395

The first thing Raptor pilots learned in exercises is to never use TV in combat. You burn all your speed and energy to perform those fancy maneuvers becoming a sitting duck.

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>>13820015

>>13830288
Reminder that the US' opening move in the war in Afghanistan was carpet bombing.

>>13822013
They couldn't win in a fight.

>>13818346
>Actually, it's bigger than the British or French militaries. It's huge.

Its not especially large.

>>13818430
citations needed.

>>13830475

A fight with who? USA? Why the shit would the go to war with USA?

And if you think they couldn't defend themselves from the chinks you are crazy. China has no capability to assault Japan.

>>13830623
China has ICBM.

>>13830793

And Japan could have them in a month if they cared. And right now have no need for them because USA protects them.

>>13830793
Japan has AEGIS destroyers.

>>13826881
You know you don't really have to start the war on Iraq that leads to all these just because of 911.

>>13830818
But is it enough to take them all?

>>13821933
Ass-backwards redneck reinvention of history.

No USA in Iraq = no ISIS.

Hell, no USA in Iraq = no Saddam either. No USA in Afghanistan = no goddamn Bin Laden either. Or let's go a little farther - no Bush clan and the whole milind sector cronying up with runaway unscrutinizeable security services = no whole 911 either.

tl;dr - yankee go home

>>13830841
Yeah we should have let the Slavs squat all over bumfuckistan back in the day!

>>13830846
You did. Until the Afghani shot them in the ass enough that they got weepy and went home, often in boxes.

Just like you are. Playing cowboys and indians with indians that have guns too not so fun afterall?

>>13830859
>playing cowboys and indians without having the biological weapons that will reliably kill 90% of all indians = terrible idea.

Basically.