>>13810134 Random observation type Innovado who live never knowing what they are while Veda use's them as walking talking gopro's. Oh and because they age much much slower than normal humans they have a kill switch built in which puts them six feet under before anyone gets too suspicious as to why Earl down the road looks 20 dispite being 50. Veda used them in conjunction with a 200 year old network of spies and lackeys who've infiltrated various governments/corporations to feed CB/Team Gendum intel.
Oh and yes they are fully sapient beings before you ask when considering the morality of it all.
It really was kind of annoying how they started forcing the 'CB are really good guys, honest!' thing from Season 2 onwards, discarding the moral ambiguity of Season 1, where they weren't afraid to point out that, yeah, CB are kind of are hypocritical assholes.
One ironic thing that I've realised is that those things the Meisters hate about the world that they joined CB to change? CB does that exact same shit, but they're too much True Believers to notice. Setsuna doesn't like others using child soldiers but doesn't bat an eyelid at the face that he serves alongside 2 of them (Feldt and Milleina). The difference between CB and Ali is that in CB the parents are the ones giving the kids the Kool Aid. Allehujah doesn't want any more people like him and Marie to be created yet CB has done exactly that and created an entire disposable slave race (the Innovades) as pointed out in >>13810801. And of course there's Lockon, the guy who hates terrorists, who probably created who knows how many new Lockon Stratos' throughout the course of CB's interventions. (Hell, I can imagine something similar to Lockon happening to some poor kid in Moralia; he goes out to buy ice cream then comes home to find his family killed because some mobile suit shot down by Lockon crashed into the family home).
>>13813676 I think it's more that they did as bad or worse than the 3 powers back in S1 then bashed you over the head with how bad it all was in S2 while portraying the meisters as being pure as snow.
Though what really bugged me was some of the seperatist factions they had like with Taribia and the Union. If the Union was that prone to internal disputes i can't see it lasting as long as it did in the first place.
They're not, though? I mean, the small faction of CB on the Ptolemy 2 is, sure, but they're in the middle of a CB civil war to try and kill Ribbons Almark. That's, like, the whole point of S2. And then after S2 that group all fades off into the background and most of their members (as in all of them except Allelujah, Soma, and for a given value of "member", Saji) aren't seen again for four fucking years.
>>13813676 But they are. S1 has them struggling with that contradiction, between ideology and their own feelings about it. From the start, they try to minimilized interventions as possible. They made a total break after Season 1, and it took them 4 years to go back and only because they cannot stand the world they paved way creating.
>>13814318 And the only thing they can't stand is that Ribbons Almark took it over, which was not a part of any sane person's plans. As soon as he's dealt with, they fade off into obscurity again and give everything except their old Gundams and their ship to the EF pretty much, only returning a few times to do policework in the frontier areas in space and when the ELS invade (since, you know, that's kind of an all-hands-on-deck big fucking deal type thing).
>>13814163 Let's see we've got a traumatised child terrorist who murderd his own parents and fuck knows how many other people, a guy who became a terrorist because terrorists murdered his family, a guy/girl thing made solely for keeping the others inline with his trail system and a psychopath who goes homicidal maniac a dozen times in the series.
The only thing that changed with CB's plan was Ribbons taking the top spot these clowns were literally ment to fuck the world off so bad they united against them. They didn't do it fast enough though so they sent in 3 made to order psychopaths who didn't have split personalities to conveniently blame all the shit they do on but they did manage to piss the world off pronto.
Yeah these guys are clearly shining pillars of noble brightness i don't see how anyone could think for a second they may be bad in any way shape or form.
>>13815078 I fail to see why this makes them bad protagonists though. It's not like the show ever glorifies them (at least, not until Celestial Being The Movie, but that was after they had vanished for four years and after they killed Ribbons.)
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