Depends mainly on the Scopedogs layout and who is piloting. If by normal you mean bare bones and armed with a GAT-22, I would say you'd at least need two. While the Zaku 2 does have the advantage in weaponry, at 18 meters tall it is a very hard target to miss. At 3 meters a Scopedog has a significant advantage at being able to hide, especially in an urban setting. In fact, you might be able to pull off a one on one in such terrain.
The only viable tactic would be to hold onto the zaku and drop a match into your scopedogs explodey engine Of course if you are chirico this plan would fail entirely, but chirico could beat a zaku with his bare hands
Scopedog needs heavier weapons to cause fatal damage to the Zaku. The 30mm guns wouldn't do much unless they shot at an unarmored section and even then it'd need sustained fire to tear through a joint or something. The solid shooter bazooka might be better depending on what sort of warheads they're packing, like HEAT. Rockets would be the best weapon against a zaku, but the small diameter of the warheads means they need to concentrate fire on a spot to get enough damage to seriously cripple it
>>13802502 Just 1 Scopedog. Why? Because mobile suits are retarded as far as battlefield weapons go. They are completely impractical giant dolls waiting to be struck down by tanks, airplanes and yes, Scopedogs.
A Scopedog would zip and zoom circles around a Zaku, filling it with lead and explosives. The Zaku would be unable to pin down a Scopedog mobility and in turn would just be a giant target. The Scopedog wouldn't even have to anywhere close to a Zaku to hit it. A Zaku vs a a Scopedog would get completely rekt. No competition.
>>13806986 Fair point, except the Zaku isn't trying to catch the Scopedog. If it hits them, that's all it needs to do (and let's face it, given the overall fragility of a Scopedog, there's decent odds even just winging one would be enough.)
Still a challenge, but certainly not as daunting as you're trying to make it sound.
>>13808820 >implies Americans can't understand size difference >immediately hops on the "Americans are stupid" bandwagon
As a european I have to say, fuck you. All of my educators at deree are americans, and many of my classmates are americans.. and their willingness to come to my country, learn my language, eat my food and live in my city is way more intelligent and civilized than any Asian fuckwit that visits athens. And forget about other europeans! They come in speaking their languages, demanding we cater to them... Americans are some the friendliest, most intelligent people I have ever encountered.
>>13808939 With threads that are now about race of /m/ pilots, pooinloo meme for Indian characters and WE WUZ me-mes, I would definitely say that /m/ is now poisoned by /pol/ .Shitposts on Spic should have been warning signs though.
Alas, even this thread wasn't spared with Fatmericans and yuropoor may-mays And for the reason why?
Well, /pol/ has now transcended and soon engulf entirely of 4chan , sooner the whole world.
Zaku is faster, stronger, can jump and has the bigger gun Scopedog is a smaller target, much more agile, has the smaller gun (depending on whatever loadout it has), and is much more fragile Basically from the Scopedog's perspective, the Zaku is like a bossfight in a platinum game
>>13810242 Because it's a 30mm autocannon taking on a colossal battle machine. It's like if a squirrel tried to kill you with a BB gun: yeah, you'd have a hard time hitting the small, fast-moving squirrel, but it basically can't damage you.
In VOTOMS, we see a lot of battles between normal infantry and ATs. And it's not rare for a soldier to kill the pilot of the AT, since its chest armor is almost paper thin. Also, the guns of the ATs could inflict even medium damage on a Zaku, because Chirico fired everything he had into the Strike Dog's cockpit, and Ypsilon wasn't even torn to shreds.
How can a vehicle that usually fights light infantry stand up to a MS, that can fight a bunch of tanks on its own?
>>13810292 Yeah right, you wish. Zakus are just huge targets waiting to die. >Scopedog lies in wait >spots Zaku >shoots bazooka >bye bye Zaku legs >VWMMMMMMMMM >proceeds to finish off Zaku pilot for good measure Ez pz
>>13810257 >Chirico fired everything he had into the Strike Dog's cockpit, and Ypsilon wasn't even torn to shreds.
This is poetic licence. Normally ventilating the cockpit of an AT would kill the pilot instantly. GAT-22s are repeatedly shown piercing other Scopedogs. But you're right that Zaku armour is another beast entirely.
kinda forgetting about the zaku's built in S mine anti personnel launchers although im not sure how much effect they would have vs scopey's armor, it defiantly does work on infantry zaku also has better range, considering space is a big place
>>13810253 >>13810236 The GAT-22 is more akin to an automatic artillery piece, relying more on power than volume to take out the target. I'm half certain I've seen a Zaku 2 taken out by the 40mm head vulcans on a Gundam. Zaku 2 have also been taken down with man portable rocket launchers.
>>13810427 AT's tend to avoid Tanks. They generally don't come out strongly. To be completely honest however both Votoms and Gundam were shows to sell Robot toys, not toy tanks.
>>13812590 >The GAT-22 is more akin to an automatic artillery piece, relying more on power than volume to take out the target. What on earth does this mean? Automatic artillery piece? It's very obviously a big rapid-fire cannon meant for direct fire, no bombardment.
>relying more on power than volume Ignoring for now the fact the show uses stock machinegun/vulcan sounds for the GAT-22, there's no way an AT-sized rifle can fire a bullet even remotely in the same weight class as an MS-sized rifle.
> I'm half certain I've seen a Zaku 2 taken out by the 40mm head vulcans on a Gundam. If I recall correctly this was at point-blank to the relatively-vulnerable main camera. In other words, not a position a Scopedog would be able to get into with its single, less powerful gun.
> Zaku 2 have also been taken down with man portable rocket launchers.
I guess that's fair, we see man-portable weapons knock fairly big holes in Zakus in 08th MS Team and even be capable of killing them with a blow to the chest armour in IGLOO 2. I don't think this is entirely believable, but I can't discount it.
I guess my main argument against Zakus being killed by light autocannons is that if they could be, then this thing from episode 1 of MSG would have been a lot more successful.
>>13812507 Probably not enough to destroy a Scopedog outright, since they look like they spread ball bearings or equivalent over a wide area. Those would likely ding off even a Scopedog's top armour, although there's a possibility they'd inflict damage to the camera , antenna, and such.
>>13817784 >large-caliber mounted projectile-firing guns or missile launchers, mobile or stationary, light or heavy, as distinguished from small arms. And before you say tank, the difference between mobile artillery/direct fire artillery and tanks is the combat design. Tanks have heavier armor made for direct combat and are generally more maneuverable.
>>13817925 What I said was: >Automatic artillery piece? It's very obviously a big rapid-fire cannon meant for direct fire, no bombardment. >indirect fire is the defining characteristic of modern artillery and we never, ever see a GAT-22 used in that role.
I suppose I can see how my phrasing could have been ambiguous, to a person who wasn't following the thread of the conversation at all. To everyone else it should have been obvious that I was saying the GAT-22 doesn't qualify to be an artillery piece since it seems to be completely incapable of indirect fire.
This whole debate about definitions is irrelevant anyway. You can call the GAT-22 whatever you want (officially it's a heavy machine gun) but at the end of the day it's a long-barrelled rapid-fire 30mm weapon that would be massively outranged by the Zaku II's 120mm machine gun. It's not as if labelling a weapon "artillery" grants it the ability to penetrate all armour.
>>13818125 I was trying to articulate that the GAT-22 was more of an Autocannon than merely a Heavy Machine Gun. In my defense it was late and I had just got done cleaning out a CO2 laser and was kind of tired. Regardless I think a GAT-22 could do some real damage to the Zaku's extremities, but probably not much to the chest.
>>13809506 Well he does technically but he's actually Italian. Also he rarely has to come here these days, some autistic German just calls everyone who disagrees with him a Spic and the rest takes care of itself from there.
>>13820730 >thinking Gundam's weapon calibers mean shit Nigga, Gundam's 60mm vulcans are the same size as real world 30mm vulcans. They fire rounds closer to 30mm, not 60. Gundam just upscaled all weapon calibers for some fucking reason without actually thinking it through.
>>13820849 >Katoki draws Zeta Plus head vulcans tiny as shit because Katoki is full of crap >some autistic dude has to repost it literally any time anyone mentions head vulcans Meanwhile the barrel is fucking huge in 0080. (although what the fuck sense a rotary cannon with a fixed barrel extension makes is up for question)
>>13820730 That's probably true, although I still feel the GAT-22 is better than the head vulcan. To really settle this argument we'd need hard data on the rounds being used, stuff like velocity and materials. As far as I know that data does not presently exist.
>>13820756 Cutting up sheet metal for parts used in ovens and grills and such. It feels weird to be using something considered high technology for something so seemingly mundane. I will say this however, lasers are not nearly as clean as I though they would be. In my laser's defense, she has been in constant use for nearly 15 years with a day off once a week at best.
Their standard pea shooters would be worthless against them, but one good shot from their bazooka or space gun's would take the Zaku out, if they last that long.
Against anything with Gundam level armor, and especially bringing in the AU Gundam's with stuff like Gundamium or Phase Shift armor though and the Scopedog would be fucked. Nothing it can equip would make a dent in them.
If they can zip behind a Zaku's legs and take out knees or feet with a well-placed rocket, probably 3+ to be safe. All you need to do once it's down is open up the cockpit and fire away. Technically it could be done with one Scopedog but it would have to be in an urban setting where Zaku loses range, speed and sight advantage. In a desert or open field? Good luck, Zaku could probably knock off 4 before a group could get close enough to even start attacking.
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