How many normal Scopedogs would it take to beat a normal Zaku?

>>13802502
Just one.

Piloted by Amuro.

>Scopedog vs Zaku

This is almost Gundam vs Valkyrie tier in terms of lopsided matchups.

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Depends mainly on the Scopedogs layout and who is piloting. If by normal you mean bare bones and armed with a GAT-22, I would say you'd at least need two. While the Zaku 2 does have the advantage in weaponry, at 18 meters tall it is a very hard target to miss. At 3 meters a Scopedog has a significant advantage at being able to hide, especially in an urban setting. In fact, you might be able to pull off a one on one in such terrain.

The only viable tactic would be to hold onto the zaku and drop a match into your scopedogs explodey engine
Of course if you are chirico this plan would fail entirely, but chirico could beat a zaku with his bare hands

>>13802502
A squad of Scopedogs armed with RPGs and assault rifles with grenade launchers.
They should roll around the Zaku and shoot.

>>13803560
>but chirico could beat a zaku with his bare hands
>his gun will destroy a Zaku's cockpit too

>>13803560
>not shooting out the eye then setting C4

Scopedog needs heavier weapons to cause fatal damage to the Zaku. The 30mm guns wouldn't do much unless they shot at an unarmored section and even then it'd need sustained fire to tear through a joint or something. The solid shooter bazooka might be better depending on what sort of warheads they're packing, like HEAT. Rockets would be the best weapon against a zaku, but the small diameter of the warheads means they need to concentrate fire on a spot to get enough damage to seriously cripple it

Just one since a Scopedog is cuter.

>>13802502
4 red shoulder pilots with red shoulder custom scopedog will do the job.

Otherwise, 9 with just missle launchers for low weight speed gains

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>>13802502
none

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>>13802502
Just 1 Scopedog. Why? Because mobile suits are retarded as far as battlefield weapons go. They are completely impractical giant dolls waiting to be struck down by tanks, airplanes and yes, Scopedogs.

A Scopedog would zip and zoom circles around a Zaku, filling it with lead and explosives. The Zaku would be unable to pin down a Scopedog mobility and in turn would just be a giant target. The Scopedog wouldn't even have to anywhere close to a Zaku to hit it. A Zaku vs a a Scopedog would get completely rekt. No competition.

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>>13803761

>>13803769

A Zaku can probably beat a Scopedog by just kicking it since Scopedogs are cheaply built and expendable by nature

>>13805390
Scopedogs are too fast

hi-speed skating noises

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>>13805892

>Spoiler text

I can actually hear the skating noises in my mind

On land? Scopedog would probably be able to win if it had the right weapons
Sure it's nowhere near as big or durable, but it's land speed completely outclasses a Zaku

>>13802502

if it's Chirico in the Scopedog :

Scopedog explose at some pint (because spocedog always explose) But chrico manage to kill the zaku pilot.

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>>13805892
Knightmare frames from code grass are faster, and about the same size..
I think 2 knightmare frames could take out a zaku easily, maybe even 1 (climby ropey technology)

>>13806321
I dunno man, have you seen how far a Zaku can jump?

>>13806321
A Zaku runs twice as fast as a Scopedog skates. I really don't think you people understand what you're suggesting here.

>>13806790
You run more than twice as fast most bugs, and yet they can be extremely difficult to hit.

>>13806881
I really don't think you thought about that analogy either.

>>13806889
The only one not thinking is you.

>>13806910
Ground based bugs are easy as shit to kill, the only challenge in squishing an ant is that shoes aren't flat and they are so extremely tiny as for visibility to be a problem.

For a Zaku a Scopedog is more like kicking a baby.

>>13806881
Except the dimension ratio doesn't work that way.

That analogy more works for Amuro trying to take on those Zeon soldiers on Wappas, Zaku vs Scopedog is more like person vs small animal. Best case, mid-sized rodent.

>>13806927
We're not talking about ants, Einstein.

>>13806934
Alright. Go try to catch a wild cat.

>>13806986
Fair point, except the Zaku isn't trying to catch the Scopedog.
If it hits them, that's all it needs to do (and let's face it, given the overall fragility of a Scopedog, there's decent odds even just winging one would be enough.)

Still a challenge, but certainly not as daunting as you're trying to make it sound.

>>13807017
The Scopedog will never get close to the Zaku. It'll simply keep distance, hit the broad side of a barn and dodge return fire.

>>13806986
Cats run faster than humans you stupid motherfucker.

>>13807061
>get close

You DO remember the normal Zaku II is packing a gun as well, right?

Unless there's some stats that say the Scopedog's gun can fire further than the Zaku's, it's still at risk in this scenario.

>>13806986
more like try to shoot a mouse with a shotgun while the mouse shoots back with a 9mm

This thread is a collection of the worst analogies.

>>13807061
Yeah man that Scopedog will totally control the range over a machine that can travel like four times as fast as it.

>>13807092
It's harder shoot fast moving smaller things in most cases.

>>13802502
Zaku vs Scopedog is like Scopedog vs Mellowlink .

>>13805892
VWMMMMMMMMMMMMM
BEOOOOOOOW.
Or at least that's how I think I can convey it in text form. God I fucking love those stock mecha sound effects.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_rHgg8VMvw

VRRRRRRRRROOOMdog

>>13807766
It was so daww and cool.

Anyone knows how to make bots like that?

>>13807766
The animation errors...they hurt

>>13807506
Could Mellowlink take on a Zaku?

>>13808814
If he would have enough landmines and other explosives. His AT-rifle wasn't very useful and the bayonet won't work against Zaku

ITT: Americans don't understand size differences

Metric too difficult for you?

>>13808820
>size differences
What of them?

>>13808820
>implies Americans can't understand size difference
>immediately hops on the "Americans are stupid" bandwagon

As a european I have to say, fuck you.
All of my educators at deree are americans, and many of my classmates are americans.. and their willingness to come to my country, learn my language, eat my food and live in my city is way more intelligent and civilized than any Asian fuckwit that visits athens.
And forget about other europeans! They come in speaking their languages, demanding we cater to them...
Americans are some the friendliest, most intelligent people I have ever encountered.

>>13808907
>is Greek
>claiming to be European (I kek'd so hard)
>defending Americans

What the fuck is wrong with you?!

バトリングルール知ってる?まず通信手段からやるレベル、決闘すっぽかされて待ちぼうけくうだけ、つまんないよルールすら知らない相手

>>13808913
Why is /pol/ poisoning /m/?

>>13808820
What does the method of measuring things have to do with anything? Why are yuropoors so nonsensical and insecure?

>>13808939
With threads that are now about race of /m/ pilots, pooinloo meme for Indian characters and WE WUZ me-mes, I would definitely say that /m/ is now poisoned by /pol/ .Shitposts on Spic should have been warning signs though.

Alas, even this thread wasn't spared with Fatmericans and yuropoor may-mays
And for the reason why?

Well, /pol/ has now transcended and soon engulf entirely of 4chan , sooner the whole world.

End of the world is nigh.

>>13808816
Well he can definitely use those anti-MS missles pods from IGLOO 2 ep 1 as traps in a urban or mountainous terran.

Zaku is faster, stronger, can jump and has the bigger gun
Scopedog is a smaller target, much more agile, has the smaller gun (depending on whatever loadout it has), and is much more fragile
Basically from the Scopedog's perspective, the Zaku is like a bossfight in a platinum game

>>13809236
>bigger = better
This is a logical fallacy
Why don't they just build bigger and bigger tanks then?

>>13807766
amazing. I want an RC scopedog quite badly now.

>>13809069
Spic has existed here for many years, newfag. It's not anything new or notable.

>>13809499
>spic
>existing
pick one

>>13809506
I'm talking about mentionings of the boogeyman, you dumb fuck. Learn to follow the conversation.

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>>13809419
I didn't say bigger is better though
Unless you're talking about guns, yes the bigger gun is usually the better gun

>>13808698
You didn't watch the link did you?

/thread motherfuckers

>>13803147
I don't think a GAT-22 is even remotely capable of inflicting fatal damage to a Zaku.

>>13810236
Why not? Gundam technology is inferior to Votoms'.

>>13810242
Because it's a 30mm autocannon taking on a colossal battle machine. It's like if a squirrel tried to kill you with a BB gun: yeah, you'd have a hard time hitting the small, fast-moving squirrel, but it basically can't damage you.

Just picture this.

In VOTOMS, we see a lot of battles between normal infantry and ATs. And it's not rare for a soldier to kill the pilot of the AT, since its chest armor is almost paper thin. Also, the guns of the ATs could inflict even medium damage on a Zaku, because Chirico fired everything he had into the Strike Dog's cockpit, and Ypsilon wasn't even torn to shreds.

How can a vehicle that usually fights light infantry stand up to a MS, that can fight a bunch of tanks on its own?

>>13810242
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKXqt5W_u1s
14:20

It would take many scopedogs to defeat a single zaku II in a long ambush battle.

A single Zaku II only has to hit a scopedog once to obliterate it. Which it could probably do with cracker grenades.

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>>13810264
Fuck you. Did you post that just to make me sad about Ypsilon again? That was cruel, bro. Why couldn't he have a good end?

>>13810264
What is this supposed to demonstrate?

>>13810292
Yeah right, you wish. Zakus are just huge targets waiting to die.
>Scopedog lies in wait
>spots Zaku
>shoots bazooka
>bye bye Zaku legs
>VWMMMMMMMMM
>proceeds to finish off Zaku pilot for good measure
Ez pz

>>13810257
>Chirico fired everything he had into the Strike Dog's cockpit, and Ypsilon wasn't even torn to shreds.

This is poetic licence. Normally ventilating the cockpit of an AT would kill the pilot instantly. GAT-22s are repeatedly shown piercing other Scopedogs. But you're right that Zaku armour is another beast entirely.

Actually, Zaku armor must be poor and generally indefensible given the size of the Zaku. Otherwise, it would collapse under Earth's gravity.

>>13810316
If Zakus were easily destroyed by 30mm machine guns there would be no reason for the Federation to build mobile suits.

>>13810382
>>13810316
Gundam IGLOO.
Gundam 08th MS Team

they show that Zakus are incredibly difficult to take down with out a mobile suit or tanks.

>>13810382
Well there actually isn't a good reason for anyone in the Gundam universe to build giant robots.

>>13810415
>or tanks.
ATs eat tanks for breakfast, so a Zaku isn't a problem.

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>>13810420
There isn't a good reason for anybody to build ATs either given how easily they're destroyed by light anti-armour weapons.

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I told u guys, 1 of these things could easily take out 100 scopedogs, and at least 1 zaku.
These motherfuckers are fast, and deadly (and roughly the size of a scopedog)

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>>13810427
EFSF Type 61 tanks are giant monsters. Suited for Warhammer 40k

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>>13810459
And 1 knight mare frame could wreck 30 of them
Also fuck 40k
it ruined highschool for me

Reminder that this kills the Scopedog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sSWry6Z0IU

>>13810459
>This tank has TWO cannons
Was this designed by a preteen chuuni?

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How many of these would it take?
(Semi related)

>>13808939
>le /pol/ bogeyman

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>>13810548
No, it was designed by somebody working on a 1970s children's show.

>>13810548
By a C&C fan.

>>13810563
1, probably...
Crabgunners *or whatever they are called* are notoriously powerful.

>>13810299
Perfect Soldiers don't deserve good endings

>>13807766
Actually it's name is Berserga.

Whoever made this is a genius .The standing up sequence was accurate to the way it was shown in the anime.

Zaku II was also good.

>>13810454
Is it true that Gasaraki influenced Taniguichi while making Code geass since he was a assistant director in it?

>>13811880
>Is it true that Gasaraki influenced Taniguichi while making Code geass since he was a assistant director in it?

It's possible. The early models are very Gasaraki plus Votoms in style. The others are more like Gundam/Escaflowne influence (the capes and such).

kinda forgetting about the zaku's built in S mine anti personnel launchers
although im not sure how much effect they would have vs scopey's armor, it defiantly does work on infantry
zaku also has better range, considering space is a big place

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>>13810253
>>13810236
The GAT-22 is more akin to an automatic artillery piece, relying more on power than volume to take out the target. I'm half certain I've seen a Zaku 2 taken out by the 40mm head vulcans on a Gundam. Zaku 2 have also been taken down with man portable rocket launchers.

>>13810427
AT's tend to avoid Tanks. They generally don't come out strongly. To be completely honest however both Votoms and Gundam were shows to sell Robot toys, not toy tanks.

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>>13812590
>The GAT-22 is more akin to an automatic artillery piece, relying more on power than volume to take out the target.
What on earth does this mean? Automatic artillery piece? It's very obviously a big rapid-fire cannon meant for direct fire, no bombardment.

>relying more on power than volume
Ignoring for now the fact the show uses stock machinegun/vulcan sounds for the GAT-22, there's no way an AT-sized rifle can fire a bullet even remotely in the same weight class as an MS-sized rifle.

> I'm half certain I've seen a Zaku 2 taken out by the 40mm head vulcans on a Gundam.
If I recall correctly this was at point-blank to the relatively-vulnerable main camera. In other words, not a position a Scopedog would be able to get into with its single, less powerful gun.

> Zaku 2 have also been taken down with man portable rocket launchers.

I guess that's fair, we see man-portable weapons knock fairly big holes in Zakus in 08th MS Team and even be capable of killing them with a blow to the chest armour in IGLOO 2. I don't think this is entirely believable, but I can't discount it.

I guess my main argument against Zakus being killed by light autocannons is that if they could be, then this thing from episode 1 of MSG would have been a lot more successful.

>>13812507
Probably not enough to destroy a Scopedog outright, since they look like they spread ball bearings or equivalent over a wide area. Those would likely ding off even a Scopedog's top armour, although there's a possibility they'd inflict damage to the camera , antenna, and such.

>>13814043
Artillery isn't just bombardment, bro.

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>>13802502
Scopedogs just for sissies, you can leave it to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mff3YNEYJ5s

>>13814504
It isn't, but indirect fire is the defining characteristic of modern artillery and we never, ever see a GAT-22 used in that role.

In what sense IS Scopedog armament artillery?

>>13817741
>but indirect fire is the defining characteristic of modern artillery
No, it isn't.

>>13817759
Then what is?

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>>13817784
>large-caliber mounted projectile-firing guns or missile launchers, mobile or stationary, light or heavy, as distinguished from small arms.
And before you say tank, the difference between mobile artillery/direct fire artillery and tanks is the combat design. Tanks have heavier armor made for direct combat and are generally more maneuverable.

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>>13817810
30mm doesn't constitute large-calibre and a giant robot rifle isn't a mounted weapon. According to your preposterous use of the definition, this is artillery.

>>13817827
>howitzers aren't artillery
Bro it's obvious that you're an idiot.

>According to your preposterous use of the definition, this is artillery.
No. Stop being retarded.

And if you want to be a cheeky little shit about this, then technically you need to bring your proof that artillery is only indirect fire by definition. Otherwise you can go fuck yourself.

>>13817869
That's not a howitzer, that's a Shitley's shrubmaster. It's not artillery. It's an autocannon.

>>13817869
>>howitzers aren't artillery
>Bro it's obvious that you're an idiot.

I have absolutely no clue where I implied this.

>technically you need to bring your proof that artillery is only indirect fire by definition. Otherwise you can go fuck yourself.

I didn't say that artillery is only indirect fire, I said that weapons only capable of direct fire aren't artillery in the post-WW2 sense.

>>13817885
>I said that weapons only capable of direct fire aren't artillery in the post-WW2 sense.
Literally was never said.

>>13817925
What I said was:
>Automatic artillery piece? It's very obviously a big rapid-fire cannon meant for direct fire, no bombardment.
>indirect fire is the defining characteristic of modern artillery and we never, ever see a GAT-22 used in that role.

I suppose I can see how my phrasing could have been ambiguous, to a person who wasn't following the thread of the conversation at all. To everyone else it should have been obvious that I was saying the GAT-22 doesn't qualify to be an artillery piece since it seems to be completely incapable of indirect fire.

This whole debate about definitions is irrelevant anyway. You can call the GAT-22 whatever you want (officially it's a heavy machine gun) but at the end of the day it's a long-barrelled rapid-fire 30mm weapon that would be massively outranged by the Zaku II's 120mm machine gun. It's not as if labelling a weapon "artillery" grants it the ability to penetrate all armour.

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>>13818125
I was trying to articulate that the GAT-22 was more of an Autocannon than merely a Heavy Machine Gun. In my defense it was late and I had just got done cleaning out a CO2 laser and was kind of tired. Regardless I think a GAT-22 could do some real damage to the Zaku's extremities, but probably not much to the chest.

>>13809506
Well he does technically but he's actually Italian. Also he rarely has to come here these days, some autistic German just calls everyone who disagrees with him a Spic and the rest takes care of itself from there.

>>13818695
RX-78's 60mm vulcans don't do a ton of damage so 30mm would probably do even less.

>>13818695
What are you using a co2 laser for?

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>>13820730
>thinking Gundam's weapon calibers mean shit
Nigga, Gundam's 60mm vulcans are the same size as real world 30mm vulcans. They fire rounds closer to 30mm, not 60. Gundam just upscaled all weapon calibers for some fucking reason without actually thinking it through.

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>>13820849
>Katoki draws Zeta Plus head vulcans tiny as shit because Katoki is full of crap
>some autistic dude has to repost it literally any time anyone mentions head vulcans
Meanwhile the barrel is fucking huge in 0080. (although what the fuck sense a rotary cannon with a fixed barrel extension makes is up for question)

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>>13820730
That's probably true, although I still feel the GAT-22 is better than the head vulcan. To really settle this argument we'd need hard data on the rounds being used, stuff like velocity and materials. As far as I know that data does not presently exist.

>>13820756
Cutting up sheet metal for parts used in ovens and grills and such. It feels weird to be using something considered high technology for something so seemingly mundane. I will say this however, lasers are not nearly as clean as I though they would be. In my laser's defense, she has been in constant use for nearly 15 years with a day off once a week at best.

>>13805892
PSWIIIIIIIIIISH-FHWOOOOOM

Dammit. I can't leave that voice out of me.

Their standard pea shooters would be worthless against them, but one good shot from their bazooka or space gun's would take the Zaku out, if they last that long.

Against anything with Gundam level armor, and especially bringing in the AU Gundam's with stuff like Gundamium or Phase Shift armor though and the Scopedog would be fucked. Nothing it can equip would make a dent in them.

>>13821345
The TOW missile launchers from MS Igloo had trouble taking out Zakus. Single hits weren't enough, it took multiple hits.

The AT bazooka's calibre (60mm) is only twice as large as the automatic rifle they carry. Sure, it probably carries a warhead, but it's still only the size of an RPG round or something.

>>13821358

They had trouble because the Zaku's could detect the shot and fucking move One good hit and they were still dead though.

>>13821374
no, a zaku got hit in the knee and waist and was still able to move around easily, it only went down after a lucky hit to the neck joint that probably took out the cockpit

If they can zip behind a Zaku's legs and take out knees or feet with a well-placed rocket, probably 3+ to be safe. All you need to do once it's down is open up the cockpit and fire away. Technically it could be done with one Scopedog but it would have to be in an urban setting where Zaku loses range, speed and sight advantage. In a desert or open field? Good luck, Zaku could probably knock off 4 before a group could get close enough to even start attacking.

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>>13802502
Scopedogs v. Gears. Who would win? And would it take fewer Gears to take on a Zaku?

>>13808907
PAY
THE
DEBT

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>>13821385

You mean was barely mobile and then got a hit dead center of the cockpit because it couldn't move.

How many normal Scopezakus would it take to beat a normal Dog?

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>>13825532
Make love, not war.

>>13803769
mobile suits are meant to destroy space ships and towns, not fight infantry

>>13827005
No, mobile suits are meant to explode

>>13825914
How many normal Dogs would beat it to normal Scopezaku?